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   Old Thread  #29 11 Mar 2019 at 5.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Again not what I was getting at. Your statement about getting hookpulls then your hair is too short, and vice versa, isn't necessarily true. It could be too short, or too long. Same with deep hooking.
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   Old Thread  #28 11 Mar 2019 at 3.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Again true, some hookpulls can be because the hair was too stiff, not allowing the bait to be taken in properly, or even because you are putting too much pressure on the fish when playing it. (Tip actioned rods especially).

Some hookpulls can be because the hook has gone in the side of the cheek, and slid forward during the fight. In other words, you want the hook dead centre of the bottom lip, just inside the mouth.
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   Old Thread  #27 11 Mar 2019 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't worry too much about all the complexity

If you're new or inexperienced fish Barbless - keep your rigs simple, but safe. Use a quality bait and a sharp hook and put it where the you think the carp might be and you wont go far wrong. Everything else comes with time and experience. You cant just learn it.


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   Old Thread  #26 10 Mar 2019 at 2.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I use barbless hooks whenever the rules allow, if I was unduly damaging fish then I'd change.
I have a barbless only rule for my own fish I believe in them that strongly.
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   Old Thread  #25 10 Mar 2019 at 11.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I meant your comments on the length of the hair. If you suffer pulls, it's not always because your hair is too short, and vice versa
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   Old Thread  #24 10 Mar 2019 at 8.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You'll find this isn't the only subject up for debate.....stick around kid.
Just mention one of the following....

Delkims v Fox
Shimano v Daiwa
Shelfies v Frozen

But whatever you do, (and it doesn't matter how bored or desperate you are), do not mention..... Korda, Strawberry Fields or Cherry Carp.
You have been warned.

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   Old Thread  #23 10 Mar 2019 at 8.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for the advise will remember them. I am new to Carp fishing do a lot to learn
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   Old Thread  #22 10 Mar 2019 at 0.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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True, but its a starting point.

Increasing or decreasing how or what you feed will also have an effect.
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   Old Thread  #21 9 Mar 2019 at 9.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's not always that straightforward..
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   Old Thread  #20 9 Mar 2019 at 8.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Problem is how can you guarantee light or bad hook positon

May way is simply Look at every fish you land, and consider the losses of any hookpulls.

If the fish is hooked at the very edge of the mouth, or you are getting hookpulls, then your hair (and/or rig) is too short.

If you are hooking very deep in the mouth, possibly in the cheek, then your hair is too long.

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   Old Thread  #19 9 Mar 2019 at 5.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Problem is how can you guarantee light or bad hook positon?
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   Old Thread  #18 9 Mar 2019 at 8.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I also think that mouth damage is mainly caused by a light or bad hook position , I donít think that barbs or barbless play a part in the damage

I second that. I will only use barbless hooks and will not fish any venue that insist I use a barbed hook. I have been using barbless hooks since 1983 and am 100% convinced that I get better initial pr1cking, better penetration and easier removal. All my regular fishing mates use them too and I have never bought into the argument that barbless hooks slip as I have never seen or experienced it.

However, just because I have never seen or experienced it, doesn't mean it does not happen, but nor does it mean I will be switching to barbed hooks any time soon.

Go in easy...



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   Old Thread  #17 8 Mar 2019 at 11.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have witnessed on a runs water in the club im in where the state of the fishes mouths are horrendous & theres no rule on there regarding using barbed or barless. But the possibility to mouth damage on there is probably due to the volume of anglers on there, with it being an all year runs water with loads of frequent recaptures.
But fish trailing lines through bad rig setups, would be able to loose a barbless hook easier as well.
IMO.
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   Old Thread  #16 8 Mar 2019 at 9.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Blimey good points to ponder (pardon the pun) . So far I have only fished barbless waters but agrre you must follow the rules.
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   Old Thread  #15 8 Mar 2019 at 7.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree with that
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