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   Old Thread  #19 16 Mar 2019 at 9.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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tackle box line test

I don't trust breaking strain, if you download the chart on the linked page you'll see why. I generally go for monos around the .38-.41 mark
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   Old Thread  #18 16 Mar 2019 at 7.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I recently spooled up two reels with Shimmy Black in 12lb..
Never used it yet..
Anyhow just looked at the remains on the 1100m. spool......hey..there is no dia. marked on it.
Was there outer packaging on the spools with the dia marked on ? I cannot remember, I still have the Perspex? shroud.
This is exactly why I still use b/s first then (maybe) look at dia.
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   Old Thread  #17 16 Mar 2019 at 7.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My "usual" line is Shimano Technium Black both in 12 and 15lb.
I know that they are rated 0.32 and 0.38 respectively so that's the sort of diameter I'm looking for initially.
The CM90 is 15lb and 0.38 so I'm reasonably happy it's going to similar to the Technium.

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   Old Thread  #16 16 Mar 2019 at 7.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Be 0.14 I would have thought.
Edit..that's wrong...be 0.40...just had to look at a spool of something.

I still initially go off B/S...then look @ dia.

How would you know what a 1/2" dia rope is rated for ...
Angling is different now...unfortunately I'm not ...too old...
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   Old Thread  #15 16 Mar 2019 at 7.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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0.04mm if memory serves me right.
I tend to go on diameter rather than quoted BS.


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   Old Thread  #14 16 Mar 2019 at 6.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yerrr...Line has come on a long way...it is far thinner and supple now...it's just that 25a's have small spools.
Not for capacity...more for line behaviour and memory were my initial thoughts..
There are probably only fractional differences between 12 and 15 lb, now I think about it.
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   Old Thread  #13 16 Mar 2019 at 6.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think I'll be fine with the 15lb to be honest.
I don't fish big waters, the max I ever fish is about 50 yards or thereabouts, so I don't think it's going to hold me back.
Any further than that, and I'll be boating it out.....

And yes, you're right about the clunk of the X-TA's bail arms.
Horrific!! But old habits die hard.




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   Old Thread  #12 16 Mar 2019 at 6.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers for that.
On the manual bail arms...
When I first started carp fishing two or so years ago,my mentor gave me such looks and tut,tut,tuts, when I wound the handle to flip the bail over on the reels I was using...even though that's the way those particular reels worked.
He showed me how much smoother the bail came over manually.
See...I think at one time all reels were designed as rotor trip bail when everything was a spinning or lure reel used or slightly modified for other disciplines and thus built accordingly.
Now that reels are designed for specific jobs then the rotor trip has not been advanced in any way...quite the reverse.On many...the bail trip is in the wrong place..you cannot get momentum up to trip the bail...forcing the handle is a bad,bad idea.
Daiwa's Cast Lock being designed to prevent accidental bail arm flip during the cast...some of my shimanos are the same.
I also use Daiwa TDR reels for feeder fishing....The first brand new 4012(second series) I bought smashed the very feeble, cheap and nasty tiny piece of plastic that's the trip "wedge" to smithereens the first time I wound in to close the bail.
Upon examination of the internals. I was not surprised why...(the part was valued at 37p. by Daiwa.BTW...thats telling you something)
They just aren't built like the reels of old...end off.
The only reels I wind to flip now are my float fishing reels.....the very first series TDR's.Oh..and all the old vintage stuff and my spinning gear....just not the newer reels.
I have only ever manually flipped bails on my XTA's.....don't know how you could stand the feel and "smash" noise of reeling to trip...

You will soon get used to manually flipping the bail.

Keep the washers safe....AND the parts diagram...so many others lose them and then later ask how to get a spare part cos. they lost the schematic and don't know what the part is called or its number.

I think 15lb is heavy too for a 25A.....but like you say....
Sometimes spools come up cheap on the bay of fleas...
I have bought boxed ones for next to nothing .
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   Old Thread  #11 16 Mar 2019 at 2.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spooled them up a couple of nights ago with 15lb CM90. Would normally use 12lb but with a French trip on the horizon and no spare spools yet. thought it would be best to be on the safe side.
No additional washers required, line lay looks spot on.
Sit in the reel seats better than the Shimano's did, no movement at all.
Feel nice and smooth, got to get used to the manual bail arms, but the X-TA bails weren't the best in the world anyway.
Proof of the pudding will be a session I have planned for Tuesday.
Will be nice to christen one, but just looking forward to seeing how they perform.

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   Old Thread  #10 9 Mar 2019 at 8.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sound...thanks for the update.
Once you have used them...do a quick review please ....it helps others...and not just on this forum.
This forum is often quoted as a source of reference worldwide ..which is how I found out about it..
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   Old Thread  #9 9 Mar 2019 at 4.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well I went for Emblems in the end.
After speaking with a member of our syndicate who services reels, and getting the from him, and receiving a great deal from Eric's, they'll be here next Tuesday.
Despite the bigger spools, they are physically smaller and lighter than my previous Shimmies, and I think they'll be a much better match for my 11 footers.
Cushty.
Thanks for your input lads.
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   Old Thread  #8 6 Mar 2019 at 10.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know, thatís what Iím saying..
My point is. The USA baitrunners are built with a smaller spool but, in my opinion, superior body and internals. Theyíre heavier, but not a lot
Thatís what Iíd be looking at. Probably an 8000D eu
Depends how ingrained in you it is to have big spools
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   Old Thread  #7 6 Mar 2019 at 8.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"Sack them both off and get some proper baitrunners.. B, D or OC. Because you wouldnít go putting original loncasts or infinities on your 11ft rods"

I've got the XT-A's (mediums) on my rods at the moment and they are a good balance.
The XT-B's are a little lighter, and the Daiwa's a little bit smaller.
I'm not talking about the bigger versions of the Longcasts, I don't need 'em.

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   Old Thread  #6 6 Mar 2019 at 7.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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sack them both off and get some proper baitrunners.. B, D or OC. Because you wouldnít go putting original loncasts or infinities on your 11ft rods
The D at least, maybe OC could still be available when the European baitrunner is about 4 reincarnations on, their market doesnít expect a new model every 5 minutes.
Bit heavier and crap with anything but braid, or mono below .35 but Iíve seen these things take some ****
Itís still a clicker lottery like most shimano reels though
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   Old Thread  #5 6 Mar 2019 at 7.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can get three X-TB Longcast mediums for £369.72 or the Daiwa's for £327.00 so not a massive difference.
Neither come with spare spools, but I can live without them for a while.
Decisions, decisions.....
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