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In reply to Post #195
I made my own bait years ago, I still make my own hookbaits, it’s not a case of being lazy. I don’t have dry storage anymore for the sacks of ingredients. I can buy bait of decent enough quality to catch me fish for an affordable price.
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In reply to Post #195
I’m simply too rich to get my hands dirty...
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In reply to Post #164
Mainline state theres no fishmeal in the 8 ball when there clearly is they state theres no birdfood in the cell when there clearly is if you break it open you can see the seeds bait companies tell lies its all about selling by the time they put there profit on plus the tackleshop profit and fancy packaging its no wonder it ends up 10 quid plus a kilo, i dont know why peop[le dont make there own for 3 quid a kilo a quality bait can be made and a lot of satisfaction catching on your own, il wait for the excuses no: i dont make my own because more time can be spent fishing, BULL**** most peoples fishing time is is fixed around work a couple hours midweek making bait wont hurt anybody if you had an hour spare you wouldent go fishing its bait company selling tactics blah blah blah dont be lazy!
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In reply to Post #191
One of the baits I use from this company is a fishmeal based bait in stabilised form (shelf life) never had a problem with it at all. I have used there baits for a very long time now and have no issues with using Frozen or Shelf Life baits from ABS.
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In reply to Post #192
Either, put any decent bait in front of a fish and they will eat it.
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In reply to Post #97
What's the best bait hydra k or the game or optimum from rolling baits
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Anyone using their baits in stabilised? Just wondering what they are like compared to frozen?
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In reply to Post #189
Definitely for sale now.....
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In reply to Post #188
It is for sale now if you call them
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Anyone know when the new ABS bait will be released on general sale?
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In reply to Post #186
So yesterday on the way home my phone rings and its a number i dont recognise, a chap on the other end sounds just like mr hearn himself. He asks about buying some particle and then goes on to say that a well known friend that we have in between (and this bit was true) has been singing our praises and that he loves one of my baits blah blah. Then he says he is thinking about leaving dynamite and looking for a new deal and i start getting all excited thinking that we have finaly hit the big time and all my hard work is paying off..........turns out it was my fishing buddy calling off his works mobile and him and his mates are pissing themselves in the background  i totally fell for it 
I guess what goes around comes around 
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In reply to Post #184
Come on lads what is the date today???😂😂 I knew someone would give me a bite on April 1st! I set this up yesterday so we could have some good old fashion forum Kung fu cos Im bored. To be completely honest I have no idea what mainline use in basemix, do any of us?? Fair play to mark for sticking to his guns and keeping (fairly) cool.
We sell some mainline in the shop and People still ask for Active9.😂😂
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In reply to Post #183
Ok so I can shed some light on the argument. I am wrong and apparantly active 8 did have a tiny amount of fishmeal. There was an article about mainline not using fishmeal around the same time which is why I always thought they didn’t use it. The web page says it’s not a fishmeal hence why I always thought that was the case. I will hold my hands aloft on this occasion. The lad I know from mainline said it was grange that defo did not contain fishmeal (that was csl semo etc). Apologies mark, no need for ww3
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In reply to Post #181
Ok so I quickly went on the mainline page and looked for active 8 basemix. It says that activate is not a fishmeal but contains 8 ingredients some of which are new to carp fishing. Can anyone shed some light on this. I’m not trying to start ww3 mark just stating what I always thought and was told was a mix of semo, soy, maize and additives. I find it odd that they say on the page it’s not a fishmeal. I can find out for certain tomorrow
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In reply to Post #172
Fusion had meat meal in as far as i know bud
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In reply to Post #169
It’s a daily occurrence I’m afraid 😉
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The Grange bait from Mainline contained fish meal.
It's the whole package that makes these baits whether they contain expensive or cheap ingredients.
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In reply to Post #176
I don't know EXACTLEY what is in them unfortunately so cant give a honest comment.
I have rolled and used Activ8 like I already posted and I know that the base mix ingredients were pretty basic that's why I came to the conclusion it was the liquid that was the real attractant, but its probably the combination in reality. Activ as in fermentation, yeasts, sugar products, CSL etc. active... What's the white coating that they develop...
Happy to be wrong, I'm sure Mark or somebody can shed some more light on this?
I know the ABS baits have yeasts, carbs and sugars in them, the nut range, the I Bait is supercharged with them, I spoke to them the other month about their bait
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In reply to Post #176
Mainline use enzymes in their freezers, that makes a difference I assume.
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In reply to Post #174
That's exactly how I see it mate. Levels, the whole lot. The change in colour of the base mix, was undoubtably more up to date soluble fishmeal, than Pro66. These tend to be lighter.
It's unquestionably a fishmeal based bait.
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In reply to Post #175
Would you say that it’s fair to say that Mainlines and ABS new(er) baits are most effective because of the liquid additives?
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In reply to Post #166
I wouldn't think twice about using Mainline, very good bait, I have seen what it has caught. The difference is what they do with the basic ingredients, the clue was there, activ...
Activ8 has fishmeal, ive rolled it, a while ago now 
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In reply to Post #171
Active 8 def had fishmeal in it, when I mucked about with it around 2000/2001. Maybe not at the 40 to 50% levels of Geoffs mixes, but at lower levels, but it was noticeable by taste, texture and smell. Prov66 and Liver/ Keramine I thought, could not detect any PDF though.
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In reply to Post #171
I thought mainline fusion had fish meal in it as well !?
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In reply to Post #162
Just don't want to start WW3 Jamie. But facts are facts. And rubbish is rubbish. Carp fishing bait has become so tribal. Whispers, hearsay, rumour. Like life, the only ones needing to make these rumours up and talk about everyone else... Are those ones that actually need to. That's how carp fishing works. Bait is so tribal it's unreal, and getting worse.
Activ-8 has fishmeal in it.
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In reply to Post #168
"Mainline state that activate is not a fishmeal
I couldn’t see any in it when my friends rolled it when it first came out. My friend rolled for mainline for 15 years and he always told me it was not fishmeal either
Just saying"
"The link is a fishmeal
Active 8 was classed as a non fishmeal and non bird food type bait. It must be on some website or forum somewhere. Oh well off to work now.......got lots of fishmeal to play with and some nuts and bird foods"
It is on a website or forum. You wrote it not long ago on here. Your 'mate' told you, you said there in those posts. If your 'mate' rolled Mainline Activ-8 for 15 years, and did not know that there is fishmeal in there... Well, that's hard to understand. It's easy to understand how someone who had only smelt the bait completed, might think that. The activator hums. But anyone with any knowledge of bait, whom has put eggs near Activ-8 base mix... They know that it is a fishmeal.
We roll our baits with no liquids in. The Activ-8 base mix is a fishmeal. It has a proportion of fishmeal in there, without any question. No one has ever told me that, it's just very plain to see. Do you want me to actually send you a bag of Activ-8 base mix? You can have a smell yourself. Then come back and tell me again, that your mate, and the internet says that it is not a fishmeal?
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In reply to Post #168
I’d be very careful telling people you play with nuts at work, they might get the wrong idea.
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In reply to Post #167
The link is a fishmeal
Active 8 was classed as a non fishmeal and non bird food type bait. It must be on some website or forum somewhere. Oh well off to work now.......got lots of fishmeal to play with and some nuts and bird foods 😉
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The Link is said to be fishmeal based:
https://www.carpfeed.com/fishing-tackle/review/the-link-kev-knight-on-mainline-new-boilie
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Interesting reading this, first thing I used to do with all going baits is find them in the shop and understand what the the ingredients were.
Activ 8 had fishmeal and pretty basic claimed ingredients really, which used to surprise me really, very basic, I used to to thing the activator was the key...
If you look at a lot of mainline mixes they ain’t exacltey ooozing top quality ingredients, so what’s doing the business...
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In reply to Post #161
Mainline state that activate is not a fishmeal
I couldn’t see any in it when my friends rolled it when it first came out. My friend rolled for mainline for 15 years and he always told me it was not fishmeal either
Just saying
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one of mainline original mixes was a Pro-fish, they had a GLM mix ( was a good bait) and there's liver and marine still going and think NRG was originally a milk protein/ carb type mix (90's) which disappeared then the other NRG came out
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In reply to Post #161
“Sorry to butt in, as you were anyway. A8 has always been a fishmeal though...”
Who was butting in?
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Mmmmm. All this bait knowledge. Yet no knows that Activ-8 has fishmeal in it? Really? It's a fishmeal based bait.
Fishmeal is not the be all and end all. It never has been.
Sorry to butt in, as you were anyway. A8 has always been a fishmeal though...
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In reply to Post #159
Do you think devout Fishmeal users have been missing the trick slightly by using a Fishmeal bait?
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In reply to Post #158
Cost. Simple as that. Quality fishmeals are properly expensive and vary season to season. Mainline made millions without using any. Actually quite clever.
*** please note this is the highest praise I’ve ever given mainline **** I have no intention of ever repeating it and I’d appreciate it if you didn’t tell anyone
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In reply to Post #157
Blimey, so I wonder why they never delved into the Fishmeal scene?
It does make me think though that perhaps this is intended. It’s fair to say that they have possibly been the most successful mainstream bait company over the past two decades, and they have achieved this with non Fishmeal baits!
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In reply to Post #156
Nope
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In reply to Post #154
What about baits like Fusion, NRG, proactive pineapple, CP1000 were these not Fishmeal based baits?
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In reply to Post #146
Me too
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In reply to Post #153
I have never seen a mainline fishmeal
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In reply to Post #152
Mainline have used Fishmeal in their baits before though, haven’t they?
There have been quite a lot of baits over the years that they have discontinued. I would find it hard to believe that none of those have been a Fishmeal based boilie?
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In reply to Post #151
It’s just an ingredient, it doesn’t make every carp swim from one side of the lake to eat it! I love brocacel and yeasts but it’s only a very small part of an effective bait. You have to hand it to mainline for how they promote their products and who they use to punt it. I do find it odd how they took all this time to bring out a fishmeal!! Geoff was around at just the right time and got hold of some really good fishmeals and lots of anglers went through Geoff to buy many things. If only he’d got Facebook in 1986😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #149
To be honest, I don’t think or care for the politics or logistics of bait. Just surprised by the claim ABS made cell. Turns out that technically they didn’t, but who are we to let facts spoil a good rumour 
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In reply to Post #149
This
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In reply to Post #147
Not really. Geoff put them onto an ingredient/ mix. They still had to formulate a bait from it that would roll through their machines etc. Plus how was he to know that korda would promote the hell out of it? I bet he’s given loads of people the nod on stuff over the years and they’ve done nothing with it.
Now if he knew what it was gonna go on to do that would make it one hell of a feck up 
Mind you I don’t think any one of us would mind being a pound behind mr bowers. In fact I wouldn’t mind being a million pound behind him. I’m sure he’s not that bothered. Plus have you stopped to think where mainline might have bought their brococell from?
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In reply to Post #147
Exactly what I was thinking. Something just doesn’t seem right about this subject though.
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In reply to Post #146
Bit of a financial bollock to drop wasn’t it
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In reply to Post #145
Have heard it from Geoff directly. He introduced mainline to Brocacell as a favour.
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In reply to Post #143
Geoff owed Mainline a favour over something and put them onto the ingredients. So the rumour goes anyway.
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In reply to Post #139
Cell was engineered by ABS? Never heard this one before.
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In reply to Post #139
how Did Mainline end up with cell if it was formulated by abs?
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In reply to Post #139
I’m not one of these anglers who uses a bait because it’s used by the korda boys or marketed heavily. I don’t follow the crowd, I use something I have 100% confidence in and for a long time Cell was that bait for me!
Very interested to hear ABS egineered The Cell originally. Is that a fact?
I also use another custom mix from ABS and I honestly cannot stop catching fish on it. I know 100% nobody uses that mix on my club waters and its taking it apart, working right the way through the year.
I’m not saying after 1 fish I know everything I need to know about this bait as I think it’ll take at least 1 full season for me to have that 100% confidence but the early signs are good and I am happy to leave The Cell at home to give this new bait a fair crack
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In reply to Post #139
Yet I was happy to use SBS RH JB Prem ABS NB and of course RW never did well using ML but then never really tried.
Someone new to this wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about. You’ve got more acronyms there than a nasa phone book.
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In reply to Post #135
The cell was engineered by abs so no surprises to me. Mainline baits are a great at marketing never felt the need to use them as I’ve always used a bait that works and is better than theirs but hey I can’t fault the approach there have, very much like Richworth. Pile it in and it will do well. Can’t fault them or thier users it’s a confidence thing.
Yet I was happy to use SBS RH JB Prem ABS NB and of course RW never did well using ML but then never really tried.
ABS is quaility but then I’ve sat behind various products scratching my head and wondering why I ain’t catching. Possibly me using a bait that’s not working at the time or purely tough luck.
Struggled with lobster black snail a fews year ago and yet prems Matrix Stim was killing it. Odd game really.
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In reply to Post #137
Oi!
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In reply to Post #135
Pb's caught in France don't count 
Tin hat time
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In reply to Post #135
Surely after one fish you can’t know that much 
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Landed my first fish on it yesterday. The lake had been netted 72 hours before that and fishing was expected to be tough! Already built alot of comfidence in this bait but then again, I have with all of the products I use from ABS!
I always said it would take alot for me to move away from The Cell.(at one point I said I wouldn’t go fishing if I couldn’t use Cell) I have caught so many fish including my PB of 56lb 8oz’s in France using it. However, I now think I might have found a bait to replace it. It’s early days but I’m VERY impressed!
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In reply to Post #132
Already messaged them with pics 🙂
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In reply to Post #132
Of course..
I just need to get round to getting pics off the camera to post to them. Only been out once due to illness and will have to wait until bank holiday before I go again now 😕
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In reply to Post #130
Good skills man but is anyone who's catching on it going to tell abs about your catches etc,after all that's why your testing it and not just to get cheaper bait
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In reply to Post #88
They are indeed
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In reply to Post #129
Just used it on my syndicate on one rod, hydra k on another, 20 yards apart. Had 3 fish and the all fell to the test bait . Might be coincidence, luck, just in the right spot, to early to tell but it’s given me a lot of confidence in it as I know hydra k is a top top bait
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In reply to Post #1
Took a risk with this bait and used it in wyreside doubles match....ended up winning it by a large margin. Normally not my style of fishing but its given me a lot of confidence on it
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In reply to Post #126
Yup sounds about right
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In reply to Post #125
Carbohydrate type bait as Geoff calls them, milks, some tiger nut flour, liquid chocolate flavour and tutti fruity some kind of new digestion aid that breaks down the protein of the bait I believe.
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In reply to Post #124
Sounds all very good. Can you guess the composition of the bait? Nut based or fishmeals, birdfood? I know it is not for everyone, but did you try to taste the bait yourself?
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In reply to Post #122
Yup all coming together at the moment.
Had 7 fish since new years in 3 sessions smallest 18lb biggest 40lb
Sorry 4 sessions 😉
Not blanked yet. Had more fish than all of last year put together and 3 fish were bigger than anything I've had in 5 years on this lake!
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In reply to Post #121
Ya getting a few out lately bud well done i was out last week n blanked hopefully be out next Friday for a over night sesh before work on sat
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In reply to Post #115
Just had a 24.5lb mirror on the test bait
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In reply to Post #118
Ah cool from what I’ve seen of it I thought it looked light.
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In reply to Post #114
I have had a couple on it so far. The tutti is what really stands out with it to me
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In reply to Post #117
It's a dark brown colour so yes.
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In reply to Post #116
Do you consider the K a dark bait?
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In reply to Post #115
Just had an 18lb common on Matts pink Plum n squid and black mamba bottom bait again as a single. Only been here an hour and lake is fishing 'hard' apparently. Just put some of the test bait in but I've kinda mixed it with hydra k on the other spots.
It's a little bit light in colour for me to use on it's own (darker baits have been working for me recently) but we will see, a mix of dark and light. The actual bait is lush can't see my Mr carp wouldn't want to eat it if it's in the right place
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In reply to Post #114
Few decent catches being reported on their FB page....
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Any one fished with it yet and had anything on it as of yet
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In reply to Post #112
I would imagine they are going wait until the waters warmed up, more people are out on the bank and a lot more fishing is being done with it, to get a better idea of what it’s actually like. My guess would be you’ll see it on general release ready for the big autumn munch up.
Bare in mind you are pretty much using a finished bait anyway. It’s not like if you called abs and said “I think it needs a bit more x or y that they are going to change their mix. This isn’t a bait development stage, this is bait testing so it must be pretty much ready to go as it is.
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In reply to Post #111
Once it’s finished being tested !
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In reply to Post #108
Does anybody know when this will go on "general release"????
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In reply to Post #109
First time out will be on a silty lake next week, be interesting to see how it copes with the silt
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There's a tutti flav in it
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In reply to Post #107
I think it's a combination of the best parts from I bait, plan b and nut baits plus some new stuff and higher milk content.
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In reply to Post #106
Chocolate smell....hmm I wonder if its a tweaked version of the plan b 🤔
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In reply to Post #104
I know, it is a chocolate smell, but also reminds me of Nash Baits original Big Strawberry.
Who knows, using it tonight for the first time, fingers crossed 
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In reply to Post #104
I'm hoping to get out tomorrow to try it, couldn't last weekend as Mrs was ill and she still not well.. hoping she will be better enough by tomorrow.
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In reply to Post #103
Test bait arrived today, it really reminds me of something I’ve used before (smell wise that us) but I can’t put my finger on it
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In reply to Post #102
Wiked I'll give them a buzz
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In reply to Post #100
Yes they do ring and speak to them
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In reply to Post #100
because they have enough onsite people who use/buy them? with modern machinery there isnt much "waste".
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Does anyone know if ABS sells their 'off-cuts' etc? I love using them in my spod mixes and don't understand why more companies don't try and sell what is effectively their wastage
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In reply to Post #98
Active Baits run by the best bit man in the uk, producing top quality baits that even a **** angler like me can catch using it. Done really well on Malarkey, 5th element, i bait, mc nut and now using their prototype bait.
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These guys know nothing. Stay away from ABS it’s all mine.
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In reply to Post #87
I use ABS Hydra-K. Trigga is not the bait it once was.
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Thanks guys certainly sounds like they're worth a go to me! I'm only going to fishing a local club water whilst I'm still looking for a decent syndicate to get on so let's see how it gets on there!
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In reply to Post #93
What Wayne has said in post 91 is absolutely spot on. If you go on their website & click on the heading 'About' there's a 5 minute video of Geoff speaking about the company & what they do. Failing that there's a really good interview with him in the original magazine of Subsurface. Geoff's knowledge of bait is simply astounding. Also when he first started doing bait I believe he made a lot of contacts in the pharmaceutical industry, hence the fact that they're constantly getting new products to try out. I believe this new bait incorporates some of these new products. Definitely use with confidence.
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In reply to Post #93
Mate
They are bloody brilliant
They do a little on social media
The product sells itself .... Its a great product made by what some feel is one of the best in the business
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Thanks for the info guys. I've not heard of them but I've been 'out of the game' for about 6/7 years. Are they not pushy with the mainstream media? I don't think that's a bad thing just interesting.
Prices do look fairly reasonable for such a quality bait
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I’ve pulled a few boillies apart today
Definitely small pieces of nuts in it
Tastes slightly chocolate
It smells fantastic ... not that means anything but my garage smelt delicious today till I sorted it into smaller bags
And to the guy asking about the baits
All they make is brilliant
The Hydra K was good for me last year
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In reply to Post #87
Hi Chris. Abs was started by Geoff bowers years ago when he left premier baits. His mixes have emptied waters home and abroad consistently since. I’ve used them on and off for years and I’ve never had a bad batch or bad product from anything they’ve sent me. I’ve not used their more modern mixes like hydra k and rock lobster, I bait etc, but I’ve caught on all their classic stuff like malarkey, 5th element, gnz, mcnut etc etc. People tell me their new stuffs even better.
By cutting out the middle man his prices are pretty reasonable and service is second to none. If you call them and tell them the sort of water you are fishing and perhaps what bait goes in then I’m sure they’ll be happy to recommend something.
I’d say use with confidence. Plenty of guys on here use nothing else and they would be my first choice again without hesitation if my current bait dried up. I’ve seen first hand what their baits catch out of some pretty tricky valley waters.
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In reply to Post #87
Worthy of a much closer look than nutrabaits imo. In fact don't look, just buy.
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In reply to Post #87
I won't use anything else.
And I'm useless.
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I've not come across Active Baits before guys is what they turning out fairly good? I'm looking for a new bolie as we speak and have been set on Nutrabaits Trigga for a little while (only reason being is that I buy in to the marketing behind it). Would you say Active are worth a look?
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In reply to Post #85
They nearly alway do
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In reply to Post #84
I think this thread has steered off course ever so slightly
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In reply to Post #83
My missus often complains that the sack around my nuts smells as well
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In reply to Post #81
It’s the sack around the nut that smells so I pay the premium for clean or skinned ones 
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In reply to Post #77
Yea I've done 4 sessions since Xmas and used at least 2 kilo everytime I've been and I've had at least 2 fish every session.. didn't put 2 kilo in all at once but after each fish or bream put more in. It has been pretty warm relatively. Funny enough 2 of the sessions I woke up with ice on the bivvy and mat after having a couple in the night.
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In reply to Post #76
I’ve personally never had a sniff of a nut and thought mmmm carpy
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In reply to Post #66
Too true. How many times are bait and tackle praised for a capture.
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In reply to Post #77
May have been when we had that spell of warm weather?
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In reply to Post #64
2 kilo of freebies in February, that’s brave mate
Obviously worked though
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In reply to Post #75
cant agree with that, they have the carpiest smell possible
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In reply to Post #74
And yet nuts, maggots and corn don’t really smell of anything and have outcaught every boilie recipe in existence....
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In reply to Post #72
I don’t think you are being completely fair there. If you smelt a £1 a kilo semo euro boilie over flavoured with chemicals or say a bag of active8 or krill for instance. The ingredients in those baits stink and as well as breaking them up and looking at them, what you can smell would definitely tell you they are a better fish catcher than the cheap ****. Especially long term. When I was on carp company Jules used to roll their natural impact without any flavours and it still had a strong smell due to the base mix. So what’s wrong with smelling a bait and helping form a judgement on it? Even if carp don’t smell.
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In reply to Post #72
I'd love to see the feedback they get from this 'testing'
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“Smells like a winner”
Bait companies love hearing that.
No offence, it just makes me chuckle a bit when I hear that.
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Mine turned up today
Went for a few hours tonight on a club water
Managed 2 bream so it’s tbevsame as every bait I use 😂
Can not describe the smell but it tastes ok ... a little bit chocolatey
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In reply to Post #66
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In reply to Post #67
No worries, my frustration wasnt with you.
Personally I honestly think both.. I've had a run of good fish since new year on this combo.. The fish are clearly feeding off the ABS free offerings and the hookbait with a bag was obviously equally attractive to get the pick ups.
Incidentally the black mamba hookbait is based on the hydra k mix if I'm not mistaken with some added special tweaks and enhancements from Matt. The pink Plum and squid bobber ontop is clearing working too and Matt's own creation.
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In reply to Post #67
Taken delivery of 25kg of the new bait, smells a winner. Reminds me of strawberry, and a similar make up to i bait which is great, as I did really well on it a couple of years ago.
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In reply to Post #65
Fair enough.
Wasn't knocking you at all, great capture.
Just wasn't sure what you'd say caught it
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In reply to Post #65
The angler
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In reply to Post #62
I was using Matt's bobbers fishing with a bag of chopped, crummed and whole abs bait over about 2 kilo of whole abs bait, and it was crapping it all over the mat, so yes the fish was caught over abs bait..with matts bobber and an 18mm mamba hookbait..Anyway I don't know who you think you are, i dont know you but last time you popped up you called me a dunce, for asking someone specifically why they wanted low stretch mono..if youve got nothing nice or constructive to say maybe this isnt the place for you. Or better yet go fishing and clear your head.
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In reply to Post #61
With a UB bait over ABS free offerings. So who would you credit with the capture?
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In reply to Post #60
On abs bait yes not the new one though
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In reply to Post #57
All the testing would have been done well prior to this stage, now it's just released to paying customers at an introductory rate to get it out there and in the public eye. A company as successful as Abs will have a core of proper field testers. A good opportunity to try something new though, especially if you're someone who jumps from bait to bait.
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In reply to Post #57
They asked if anyone wanted to try this new bait at a reduced price to 'test' it and give feedback. Not saying they have taken on testers permanently. They just said to me they would be interested for me to fish them side by side with hydra k see how it fares against their other 'premium' for want of a better word, bait.
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In reply to Post #54
I was told it was going to make part of the premium range mate due to the added cost of more expensive ingredients hense why they said it would be interesting to see the results when fished side by side with hydra k.
More expensive ingredients, higher price, premium product. That simple
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Taken from the abs website
The Hydra-K is the first of our premium range of baits being developed and introduced in the coming year.
So either this is another standard bait or it is in fact one of the premium baits they are talking about.
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At no point have ABS labelled this as a premium bait as of now. That is purely down to the wording of this thread. It is a new bait, in development. At NO point yesterday was any final cost mentioned at all, if the bait passes the final testing stage that is. It way well become a ‘premium bait’ along side Hydra-K
The ingredients that go into it, are more expensive to purchase in the first place. And therefore will possibly require and higher cost price to customers
Its that simple
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In reply to Post #52
I'm an Abs user and my question is are these new premium baits really catching so many more fish than the baits they have had for many years? Or are they catching fish that rarely get caught on harder waters?
Like I said I have great faith in Geoff's baits, but for most people on most waters are the premium baits producing vastly better results.
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In reply to Post #51
Inferior.
Not really, probably will cost more after the testing is done and released, than the other established baits ABS do due to more expensive milk protein content, and additives and attractors, that’s all.
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Not sure about all this premium bait talk.
Does that mean his other baits are inferior?
I bet the £premium£ baits are no better results wise then his malarky gnz nutmix etc. Which are fantastic baits.
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In reply to Post #49
thanks for the heads up on this, ABS said they would call me when ready for del, i'll add a hardened hookbait tub or two when they call
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I went and collected mine yesterday. It is really hard to put your finger on exactly what the bait smells like. There is no tigernut in it, just Tiger Nut Flour. Speaking to geoff at length, I have no doubts this will be another top class bait added to his list. I also purchased hard hookers (as it was mentioned the bait is soft) Pop- Ups and Glug.
Genuinely excited by this oppurtunity and can’t wait to give it a try
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In reply to Post #46
When I spoke to Geoff he thought if the feed back went well it could be released in a couple of months. This is the final stage now a smaller selection of people had had access up until this point 👍🏻
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In reply to Post #46
If it’s the same as hydra k then it’ll be released early next year
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In reply to Post #45
In what testing phase is this bait, is it supposed to be relesed later this year?
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In reply to Post #44
Yea fairenough on the colour it's got a hint of pink but its a darker more subtle pale pink but yea cappuccino
Edit: got 10k of hydra k as well
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In reply to Post #43
Mine has just arrived the colour in nice I wouldn't say pink though more cappunchino kind of . It looks very similar to any of there nut mixes to be honest in make up with a bit of fleck added. In terms of smell I would say it has a tutti back note to it and also in taste.
The proof will be in the using
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In reply to Post #42
Just taken delivery the Smell and taste reminds me a lot of i bait but a bit more pungent. Think the fruit is bananna? Could be wrong.. tastes like there is substance to it maybe some kind of ground nut perhaps? It's a pale pink in colour crumbles fairly well but feels like it won't be a problem in the throwing stick.
Will give it a good go at the weekend! I'm sure there's a lot more going on in terms of stimulatory and digestive aids too!
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In reply to Post #40
I believe it smells like a fruity chocolate. Will let you know later.
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In reply to Post #40
Mine will be here today 😁
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In reply to Post #39
Haha awesome 👌 has anyone had any delivered yet? What does it smell like?
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In reply to Post #35
No actual name is settled on yet, it’s working name due to the smell is Geoff’s Porn Dungeon. God only knows how they came up with that name.
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In reply to Post #37
oops 
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In reply to Post #36
I think Fyber is Mainline's new one.
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In reply to Post #35
Fyber I believe
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In reply to Post #34
Has it got a name already? Nice it will be shelf life too.
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In reply to Post #22
Spoke to them today the new test bait will also be available in shelf life form 👍
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In reply to Post #26
Yes interested to mate
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In reply to Post #27
They have kindly sent me out a decent few of the chocolate orange to try. Really nice, natural light cream colour which will stand out well on my silty water. Smell good, nice texture and I'm going to give them a bash next week in place of my usual plan b.
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In reply to Post #30
choc orange, peach scopex, choc banana, maple cream.....
its the mix boys, its in the mix - that nutmix is the dog's.
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In reply to Post #29
As ABS rolled all PFG baits the chocolate orange was exclusive to PGB only but now it's not and you can get it via ABS, it's a nut base boilie....cracking bait....but I suppose you could have that flavour combo in any of there mixes
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In reply to Post #27
I think its the PGB orange mentioned in the Perfection Groundbaits thread running below this one.
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In reply to Post #27
Possibly the choc orange from Perfection groundbaits, look at their FB site. They started rolling them.
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In reply to Post #21
When you say "Chocolate Orange" is that Plan B with Orange oil added or an entirely different bait. I was toying with the idea of asking for some Plan B with added Orange oil and a sweetener.
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In reply to Post #25
Saint you have pm
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In reply to Post #24
what was the cost mate, as looking at getting some of this?
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In reply to Post #23
I ordered yesterday will be delivered next Friday
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In reply to Post #22
Cheers let us know what he says and what the bait is like 👍
What is the average lead time when ordering from them? Need to place my first order with them for bait I will need for 2 weeks time
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I think it will be a similar situation to that of the Hydra-K. Due to the ingredients,it will be only be available in Frozen Form. I’ll have a chat with Paul when I collect mine to find out the full rundown
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In reply to Post #10
If I had freezer space I'd be all over this.
Off to France in July and looking to take an ABS bait with me.
I want to try to avoid the Cats in the lake and was going to take my usual Plan b, but Geoff has just started rolling chocolate orange , and now this new one.
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In reply to Post #17
They didn't give me the option and I said I needed to clear my freezer for the bait and he didn't mention anything about shelflife so I'm guessing it's freezer only.. I love getting new bait it's like the adult version of Christmas for me lol
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In reply to Post #18
The do shelf life in all baits apart from hydra k
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In reply to Post #17
I’m betting frozen only. Don’t think they do shelf life.
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In reply to Post #16
Anyone know if this new test bait is available in shelf life form or just frozen?
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Just ordered 10kg
Worth having a go … And as Josh says they are very good
Have done well on the Hydra K so hopefully this will be as good
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In reply to Post #11
Out of interest, how much is it a KG?
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In reply to Post #12
I remember walking into abs and showing Paul what had happened. Not my finest day that's for sure.
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In reply to Post #9
800 plan b corkers for Geoff. Day 2 of the drying cracks started.. the whole lot went. All of them. Binned.
WOW Matt, that must have been hand, and soul destroying for you 
Think this new bait will keep a lot of the non fishmeal users, very, very happy all year round.
And you very busy rolling corkballs
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In reply to Post #1
I have 20kg coming myself to test had a good chat with Geoff sounds good. Had good success with there nut/milk/carbohydrate baits in the past sure this will be no different.
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Both Me and My Dad have just ordered some and are excited to be testing a bait that is being produced by one of the best bait firms in the industry
We pick up our order Wednesday and I cannot wait to try it
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In reply to Post #8
Scaley
all their mixes roll really really good corkballs except plan B. I once spent an entire day rolling over 800 plan b corkers for Geoff.....rolled fine. Day 2 of the drying cracks started.....not little cracks, proper fissures through to the cork.....the whole lot went. All of them. Binned. Fair to say I wasnt happy. Paul did do me a mix without some of the powdered more active ingredients that did roll, but i thought that was a fudge really.
hydra k - wow, rolls proper minters....
cheers
Matt
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In reply to Post #7
Yes you have to call them to get on the list
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In reply to Post #1
I also heard this, but have not had any reply from them. Did you call them directly?
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In reply to Post #2
Matt, It should be a nice mix to make corkball pop ups from, for a change, eh.
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In reply to Post #4
I've caught on all their bait.. I am liking good milks in baits at the moment normally with a bit of fishmeal but this will be interesting to fish alongside what I'm using and it's cheap as in testing phase.. be a good mix of light and dark coloured bait I've got.. I like to confuse them.. lull them into a safe sense of security lol
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In reply to Post #1
Keep looking at this on instagram and things hmmmm shall I?
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In reply to Post #2
I'll keep you updated mate.. still fish your baits over the top though
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In reply to Post #1
I know Paul and Geoff rate this bait very very highly - they're sort of following up the hydra k bells and whistles concept but in a non fishmeal bait. They've put a lot of thought and effort into this one and I have no doubt at all it will be a banging bait.
Interesting to see if first hand that's for sure.
Matt
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So Active baits have announced on FB that they have a new premium bait like the hydra k but more along the milk type base.
They are looking for people to trial it from next week so got 15k 😆 don't know if they have enough people yet but worth a call if your interested.. they are doing it at a very good price 
I would happily use any of their baits with confidence. Will fish it alongside the tuna n nbutyric that I'm doing well on 😊
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