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   Old Thread  #19 10 Mar 2019 at 3.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I taught him everything!



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   Old Thread  #18 4 Mar 2019 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No Worries Mate, we all use what we know works and have confidence in.
I'm sure everyone who does catch regularly is more concerned about getting the bait in the right place rather than worry about rigs.

Very few rigs I reckon would actually pass the 'thumb' or ' palm' test.

Just what I have confidence in myself. Then when I stop catching I start playing around, realise I'm changing for no reason, and go back to my 'usual' and catch again.
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   Old Thread  #17 4 Mar 2019 at 6.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There's a lot of factors at play but if the fish is blowing the baits back ideally you want a light hookbait and seperation between hook and bait like a kd rig so the point is hanging down ready to catch hold. Obviously this is all theory and speculation and underwater there's a lot more going on.. I just use the Terry Hearn rig now with confidence with a bottom bait. If it's good enough for him it's good enough for me, and caught the fish in my profile pic 😁
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   Old Thread  #16 4 Mar 2019 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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See what you mean, but 3 things, firstly the mechanics are different, this is working due to it being a kebab rig so works as hard to eject, plus secondly it is a straight shank hook and lastly there is some buoyancy with the popup on top, however I see what your saying and looks a good rig as something different, can see it catching on the lip as the fish tries to eject.
With the heavy bottom baits I see it more hooking as the rig is tentioned and the weight on the baits pulling infront on the hook driving the point in. To be honest this is more pronounced with the blowback rig Terry Hearn caught the parrot on with silicon round the bend of the hook, really good rig
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   Old Thread  #15 4 Mar 2019 at 1.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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you want the weight of the bait to help drive the point of the hook in

That's exactly what it will do though isn't it?

As the fish blows the weight of the baits shifts to behind the eye so it's the equivalent of pulling on the hook eye/hooklink, therefore forcing the point in
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   Old Thread  #14 3 Mar 2019 at 9.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ask Martin Locke, carp to over 90lb on it😉
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   Old Thread  #13 3 Mar 2019 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I would disagree with that if using bottom baits as you want the weight of the bait to help drive the point of the hook in, there for you want the baits up near the curve.
If using light baits like wafters then doing what you said would work well. My rig of choice is the rig Terry Hearn uses, for that very reason.
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   Old Thread  #12 3 Mar 2019 at 7.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Martin Locke fishes it as his 'Kebab rig', with various size bottom baits on the hair.

I have used it with multiple bottom or for snowman baits. One thing I have found is you don't need to keep such a big loop, you can pull the loop tight to the eye of the hook.

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   Old Thread  #11 1 Mar 2019 at 10.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No just bottom baits or wafters , I think I will fish a gripper and a curved shank side by side and take it from there
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   Old Thread  #10 1 Mar 2019 at 9.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Are you using it for bottom baits as the post or popups? I have just found a curve to work better but everyone has different experiences.. I would say the beaked point would be ok with popups but definitely curve for bottom baits for me. It kinda works similarly to a slip D rig.
I also like 2 18mm baits normally 1 bottom bait and 1 wafer just to take a little bit of the weight off. They find it hard to eject, tangles less and the added weight drives the point in. Plus it's a little different to the norm.
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   Old Thread  #9 1 Mar 2019 at 2.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Do you think this rig would work fine with a beaked point and slightly inturned eye like the esp gripper hook, or should I get some curved hooks.
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   Old Thread  #8 28 Feb 2019 at 12.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes works well, as said curve shank works best imo
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   Old Thread  #7 27 Feb 2019 at 9.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís a forgiving rig I think. Iíve been using it with MCF Grenville claws with bottom baits- seems to work fine
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   Old Thread  #6 27 Feb 2019 at 3.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I use this quite a bit and have done quite well using bottom baits and wafters - just move the loop up or down the shank dependent.

used varoius hooks as well but always tend to come back to a curve shank - again used many but korda curves have been my best hooked fish ratio
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   Old Thread  #5 27 Feb 2019 at 3.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíve tied one up with tungsten loaded hooklink and a size 6 atomic sabre with a break below the knot and a piece of silicone over the eye, looks spot on will give it a try 👍
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