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   Ultimate Milk Protein base mix?
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   Old Thread  #97 3 Feb 2019 at 8.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No... Stop now. Tigers are only 5% protein. You then boil them for ages. No further discussion required.
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   Old Thread  #96 3 Feb 2019 at 8.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Indeed yes, AA'S, sugars, loads of others I suspect. This one is about milks tho
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   Old Thread  #95 3 Feb 2019 at 8.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You say ita not AAs for tigernuts. I have just looked at the aa profile for them and they contain a good profile iMO, 20 aas and also if you look at the nutritional benefits scientifically proven for humans (quick Google search) you will soon realise why they are so attractive to carp.

I'm no scientist and am intreagued by the recent conversations on here by you all that obviously know far more about aas and protein breakdown than me but looking at some tigernut facts it is clear to me there is more going on there than what meets the eye ;-)
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   Old Thread  #94 3 Feb 2019 at 8.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Back to the Protein

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   Old Thread  #93 3 Feb 2019 at 8.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Though I’m a fun of AA attraction and HNV baits and i’m used to calculating AA composition of my baits.

And there is Mark’s S2 that proves existence of another side of attraction. I would love to understand it as everyone here I believe.
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   Old Thread  #92 3 Feb 2019 at 8.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm not sure, it's unlikely our man can recall either. I do remember him saying he just used semo, soya, gluten, flavour and hermesetas. His daughter kept knicking the strawberry ones as he was rolling.
The written account was fascinating.
But I don't want to proceed and divert this thread, good luck in your quests boys, we never stop learning.
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   Old Thread  #91 3 Feb 2019 at 8.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Was that in a Richworth 50/50 base mix ( 50% protein/ 50% other ingredients )
or was that in Hutchys protein mix ?

Not forgetting the liquid Hermasetas, a new taste sensation extreme Sweetness for the time and the emulsified effect on the Pukka Salmon.

Results speak volumes in the real world, but we cannot stop learning, ever.
Looking back at the past, or pioneering forward with new data, there are clues we missed.

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   Old Thread  #90 3 Feb 2019 at 8.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lot more than just oil in the ole Pukka Salmon, Poots!!!

This started as a theoretical question by myself on milks, purely milks and has been dragged off piste.

FPM.... Get your bait bod on here if he wants a chat
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   Old Thread  #89 3 Feb 2019 at 8.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No worries, I've probably posted a few rambles myself.....
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   Old Thread  #88 3 Feb 2019 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know Christian, you're absolutely right, that was a post lunch ramble and a surfeit of vin rogue (sp).
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   Old Thread  #87 3 Feb 2019 at 8.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi NW,
Mouses are first for trials before medicines to be approved for humans. There are lot of common in fish nutrition. And I agree there are specifics for various types of fishes too. Age is a point too. I doubt that freebies can do any harm to adult carp unless they are eaten by kgs during few months in a raw.

Anti attractants caused by water microorganisms is a completely new info for me as I said before but you may agree that a strong poo in the lift is quite an alternative to good perfume of a nice lady.
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   Old Thread  #86 3 Feb 2019 at 7.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But to those participate it is very interesting and as far as I know doesn't cause any harm, if we don't discuss we won't learn.


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   Old Thread  #85 3 Feb 2019 at 7.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Forgive my ignorance and intrusion but this bait ******** went round in ever decreasing circles on the black forum. The fact is, nobody has harnessed the real deal and the best options are Hookbaits, be it Matts, Marks or any other pop up. That's the story. Science tells us bumble bees cannot fly and oils don't attract carp. Facts differ, white paper all you like but it don't change facts.
Mcdonald and Springate, The Cons, Pukka Salmon oil. The end.
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   Old Thread  #84 3 Feb 2019 at 7.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi BB,
The anti attractant effect of zoo is completely new issue for me but worth of some research. Can’t argue it now.
Hydros can’t inhibit taste. Some of them and vegetable ones especially are straight taste enhancer in food industry. Soy sauce for example. Yeasts - another one.

How they can affect digestion?
“These results can be explained by the fact that high levels of hydrolyzed reflect the decrease of secretion of digestive enzymes by the large amount of small peptides and free amino acids in the gastrointestinal tract”

“Indispensable amino acid concentrations decrease in tissues of stomachless fish, common carp in response to free amino acid- or peptide-based diets.“

In terms of carpcare I believe these results are worth of consideration. Especially if attractions rates are the same for 4% and 10% dose rates.


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   Old Thread  #83 3 Feb 2019 at 7.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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BB

We have had this discussion before, you are blinded by AA's, there are far more factors in play with attraction than AA's.

I asked last time why are tiger nuts so attractive to carp? You didn't answer, but we both know it's not AA's. If we can harness these other forms of attraction ALONGSIDE the AA attraction then we are onto something much more useful than simply adding more AA's

Then if the carp actually like the taste of our bait then this will increase the amount they eat, exactly the same as humans and animals and in this case I do believe the analogy does stand up. Improving the nutrition will not have the same result, if it would the animal feed industry would not need to produce palatents at all.

Hydrolysed vegetable protein can be overloaded, we wouldn't put a jar of Vecon into a pot of soup, it would completely spoil it, but a spoonful would improve the taste. Hydrolysed milk protein including petpro has, according to the reviews on the sellers web site, a very bitter unpleasant taste unless flavoured. Now we don't know what carp like taste wise other than by experimentation in our baits, but they like things I find disgusting, but it seems to me entirely likely that there will be optimum levels with regards taste...more is not necessarily better

Good discussion this
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