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   Old Thread  #57 2 Feb 2019 at 8.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What is more concentrated in the brococel? Protein and b vitamin content is almost the same. I am assuming it's the nucleotide and beta glucans but never seen a data sheet. Generally I would use a yeast content of 10% made up of plain brewers yeast and brococel or if I could get it at the right price nucleotide yeast.

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   Old Thread  #56 2 Feb 2019 at 7.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi KB,
I wouldn't make and use the mix I posted, I was just answering the question.
I use fishmeal as my main protein and supplement with milk protein etc. to address FLAA.
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   Old Thread  #55 2 Feb 2019 at 7.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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BB the reason I dropped the peptpro was because I thought the attraction was too high and was easier to control with the lesser hydrolysed product. At the time I only fished overnight and perhaps there was too much attraction in the water. It could also be down to taste I understand from people who use this stuff as intended as a protein shake consider hydrolysed products very bitter and almost undrinkable. I know carp taste things differently but even the old mud pigs must have a palatable limit.
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   Old Thread  #54 2 Feb 2019 at 4.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Viking,
Maybe because it is more concentrated than the normal brewer Yeast types included in baits, or maybe it is super soluble, and need to err on the lower side in it's inclusion levels, just my thoughts.

However I would like to see how high I could go with it, as I really like it's unique taste within a bait.

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   Old Thread  #53 2 Feb 2019 at 2.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Scaley,
I've seen the recommended inclusion rates but was just interested in if there was a particular reason they are so low.
All sorts of yeasts seem to intrigue the carp.
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   Old Thread  #52 2 Feb 2019 at 1.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi BB,
That is my understanding of it, a very useful ingredient indeed.
At 5% Potentially more so in lower quality mixes. Could make a big difference.

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   Old Thread  #51 2 Feb 2019 at 1.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi scaley,
Brocacel is said to aid digestion so I would think yes, but it has other benefits, like its AA content, minerals, vitamins and nucleotides.
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   Old Thread  #50 2 Feb 2019 at 1.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Viking,
Iím Shamelessly trying to keep within a budget...lol l. But saying that, Iím dubious of its effectiveness at 3%.
I did read that 5% is the norm, do you have another opinion?
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   Old Thread  #49 2 Feb 2019 at 1.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Christian,
I have no idea why using both whey and casein hydros would not seem to work together.
If you check their AA profiles, they are not too dissimilar, but the peptopro would break down quicker due to the higher hydro and short peptides.
The suggestion, by FPM's bait man that hydros be used at a low limit, I think, may be ref to wanting the bait to breakdown more slowly over a longer period in the swim, and perhaps for cost issues.
However, the opposite is the case when using a full on enzyme bait like Pete B's UCN. This bait, if allowed, would break down completely to mush, such was the effect of the enzymes. He said the bait was most effective if left to soften until just about usable.
I suggest you all read the UCN thread on Fishingwarehouse forum to form your own opinions on the use of enzyme hydrolysis.
It is the sole reason why Viking and I are trying to emulate it.
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   Old Thread  #48 2 Feb 2019 at 1.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Correct me if I am wrong here, but Brocacel recommended dosages were 2-5 % max I thought?
If I was to go much higher, would need a good think about it.

That and the fact there are lots of other solubles in this potential mix ( unless we are making a paste bait ) some form of compromise would have to happen with the milk proteins to keep it rollable in a boiled bait

Experience and many experimental mixes will get the desired end result we desire, in the end

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   Old Thread  #47 2 Feb 2019 at 1.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why the low ratios?
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   Old Thread  #46 2 Feb 2019 at 12.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I use it at 3%, but not sure itís made much difference at that ratio.
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Would adding 2-3% of Brocacel yeast maximise the milk protein mix nutrient breakdown once eaten, as well as adding a good source of B vitamins.

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   Old Thread  #44 2 Feb 2019 at 11.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi FPM,
Doesn't make any sense to me.
Hydros of fishmeal, milks, yeasts etc. are the exact same products, but which have had some of their protein broken down, which as Scaley said aids digestion.
However, we include them mainly to improve attraction.
When a bed of boilies has been in the water for several hours, the lake bacteria will gradually break down the protein completely while releasing a big feed signal.
All we do with hydros or added enzymes is speed up the process.
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   Old Thread  #43 2 Feb 2019 at 11.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He confirmed 5%max. Soluble. And including liquid ones.
Some issues with digestion in the long run.

He is driving now. Promised more details tonight (after beer time)

He said there is no difference between 4%. and 10% in terms of attraction.
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