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   Old Thread  #149 31 Jan 2019 at 1.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I was a big fan of mine...then when I was in France and was erecting my very light ...pioneer....the top pole snapped under tension and I literally bashed my own head in with it.
Once I had picked myself up off the floor and my friend had helped me to stop the bleeding we realized that not only had I hurt myself quite badly the pole to put up my bivvy was now useless...a reet wrestling match ensued trying to put it up and then the same in reverse pulling it down.
Aquas response was laughable and thinking about it if it happened now instead of way back when I'd probably have sued them.
Will I be buying a new one...will I f@@k.
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   Old Thread  #148 31 Jan 2019 at 12.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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to be fair, there has been a "nostalgic" demand for the Pioneer to be re-released for many years, ... Im not sure it would of needed much help . If buying on any other criteria the Tempest wins hands down imo
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   Old Thread  #147 31 Jan 2019 at 9.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not a fool. It was really a great bivvy for its time.

And thats it in a nut shell really. For its time.
Things have moved on now. Far better materials and designs alternatives out there these days.

Like I said in my previous post. Aqua are doing a great job of selling this on nostalga alone with the power and help of of social media.
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   Old Thread  #146 31 Jan 2019 at 9.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And I was one of the fools that bought one a good bivvy once erected but taking it apart Sheeesh.
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   Old Thread  #145 31 Jan 2019 at 8.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Top marks to them for creating all the marketing hype I have no doubt they will sell lots. It is amazing what can be achieved on social media nowadays.

I had one when they first came out and didn’t rate it.. Had to send it back once to be repaired in addition to this the bolts in the middle kept working loose and one of the arms snapped..

I “upgraded” to a fox supa brolly when they were released and thought that was far superior. Never had a problem with this at all.

I now have a tempest as well and again think that is a million miles better than the pioneer

I have no doubt they will have improved it, but not for me..

Just my opinion
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   Old Thread  #144 30 Jan 2019 at 5.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Correct.. there were only limited crossfires released.. nearly all of them were returned... back to the drawing board and wa la.. the tempest is born
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   Old Thread  #143 30 Jan 2019 at 12.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He will be as he has a problem with his shoulder if you didn't already know oh and he's a poor pensioner so he says
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   Old Thread  #142 30 Jan 2019 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Always thought the tempest looked more like The Crossfire.....
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   Old Thread  #141 30 Jan 2019 at 9.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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IMO, my old Pioneer was a right faff to set up and the the new one looks no different.

Aqua are doing a really great job of marketing it and all this hype is just bast on nostalgia.

Stick with your Tempest Gerry. I will be. It may not have the kudos of this new version of the Pioneer but it's streets ahead in design, practability and usability.

I just love the way I can set my tempest up free standing and then move it over my bedchair into position. Three pegs and it's done.
Simples
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   Old Thread  #140 30 Jan 2019 at 9.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I’ve owned both the original Titan and the original Pioneer – they are “Chalk and Cheese” Titan just has one Block like half a Brolly Centre, and the Bivvy Skin hangs off the Poles under little tension (Used to get a Pond develop every time it rained in the middle/front)

In the Pioneer, Chris designed an outer Frame like a Brolly's inner Frame and under Tension, to provide more room than a Brolly plus no Centre Cap to keep banging your head on.

But modern Brolly Systems are far more advanced than back in those days with Flat Backs, Carbon Frame, no Centre Pole, Centre Cap re-located to back out of the way etc... Would I swap my XTi for a Titan or Pioneer – no chance! I’ve got masses of usable room, zero condensation all year round, no over-wrap to mess around with, zipped in Ground sheet. I can even leave the inner fleece and ground sheet fitted making set up time very quick.
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   Old Thread  #139 30 Jan 2019 at 7.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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what you simply fan it out and pull a pole to open it ?
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   Old Thread  #138 30 Jan 2019 at 5.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They are gerry yes, your point being?
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   Old Thread  #137 30 Jan 2019 at 3.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It’s the same as a titan
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   Old Thread  #136 29 Jan 2019 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same way as original titan Gerry.
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   Old Thread  #135 29 Jan 2019 at 10.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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? look at the way it opens to erect it
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