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   Old Thread  #269 23 Feb 2019 at 6.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #268 22 Feb 2019 at 11.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the voices made me say it ?
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   Old Thread  #267 22 Feb 2019 at 10.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're a very bad man
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   Old Thread  #266 22 Feb 2019 at 10.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How on baby Jesus's green earth, did I ever forget about the stickers? See, this is why I will never have the 'vibe'. A very simple thing like stickers, and I forget it.

FML.

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   Old Thread  #265 22 Feb 2019 at 6.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I hope Cyprinus brings out a full size Pioneer look alike lol
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   Old Thread  #264 22 Feb 2019 at 6.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And some stickers. Donít forget about the stickers.
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   Old Thread  #263 22 Feb 2019 at 5.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't you know... It's a 'vibe', a way of life. You need to sit cross legged, on your ultra low bed chair. Then you will be alright. If you get yourself a beard and some Tatts, even better. Your kettle should be a statement, about your way of life. You need to get with the going vibe mate.

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   Old Thread  #262 22 Feb 2019 at 10.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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just looked at the pics you posted Wayne - im a stumpy too and this seems way too low....couldnt believe its only slightly taller than the Atom.
If i had the money or inclination for a serious bivvy, i dont think this will be it....

As for Consultants.......do any actually consult? Like a previous post said, cannot understand how none of them said its too small/low compared to the original that it is trying to emulate......is jimmy armstrong a short ar$e too then as he has been knocking about in this and Atom + for a while LOL

i love it when a clothing company says it has 'consultants' for their hoodies etc...... dont think they have experience in textile / fashion industries.....
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   Old Thread  #261 21 Feb 2019 at 10.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Personally I think itís a bit of a lemon. Not for me. But it is well made, on the face of it at least. Time will tell I guess.
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   Old Thread  #260 21 Feb 2019 at 9.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah, but you're a short arse like me. If you are banging your head on the roof sitting on a bed... What will a 6ft plus bloke be doing? He'll have a very stiff neck, and be coming out of the bivvy on hands and knees in the middle of the night from that photograph. The door is far to low. One of the best points about the Ultralight, was the high door when set up as a bivvy. When I use my M3, I cannot watch the water anywhere near as comfortably as with my original pioneer Ultralight. This sort of thing matters.
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   Old Thread  #259 21 Feb 2019 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nah theyíll sell it, I didnít damage it.

Due to licensing restrictions I couldnít show my face.

Actually thatís not entirely true, itís more down to not being recognised on rouge traders.
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   Old Thread  #258 21 Feb 2019 at 9.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's okay gorgeous, I was talking about the tiny little bivvy. Is that you in that photograph then next to it? They are going to have trouble selling that methinks.

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   Old Thread  #256 21 Feb 2019 at 6.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I work for a living. Apparently.
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   Old Thread  #255 21 Feb 2019 at 2.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Dirty trousers
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   Old Thread  #254 21 Feb 2019 at 2.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No thatís a genuine photo taken in browns. I know it looks heavily photoshopped cos I look so buff and hansome but itís not been altered in anyway.
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   Old Thread  #253 21 Feb 2019 at 12.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The aqua pioneer in my opinion is not worth the money , but no bivvy is worth silly money ..
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   Old Thread  #252 21 Feb 2019 at 11.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's the price that makes me laugh

Tempest Air V2 - £290
Pioneer - £680

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   Old Thread  #251 21 Feb 2019 at 11.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The hight is about the same as a tempest air as i have both .threre is a good bit ov space if using a trakker oval bed ...it is very heavy if you take evey thing ,,front , groundgsheet ,..
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   Old Thread  #250 21 Feb 2019 at 9.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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At least the tempest has got plenty of room too
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   Old Thread  #249 21 Feb 2019 at 9.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They do weigh a ton, the original one does with all the gubbins added. But take the cap off, leave the front and the ground sheet at home... And it's a brolly. This is what makes this system so great. It's why the Tempest has been a success to.
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   Old Thread  #248 21 Feb 2019 at 9.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I asked the guy why he was selling it already and he says it weighs a tonne
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   Old Thread  #247 21 Feb 2019 at 0.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Way too much Wonga for a brolly
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   Old Thread  #246 20 Feb 2019 at 11.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You hang in there you might reach it one day
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   Old Thread  #245 20 Feb 2019 at 11.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can't quite believe what I just looked at there. That's incredible.

There is no way on green earth that I'd ever get one of them. I'm 5.7 to (another short arse). I have plenty of head clearance on my pioneer Ultralight.

As an example of how high the door is on mine... When i use my M3, I whack my head on the peak every single time... As I'm used to the higher door on the Ultralight. That photo of that set up, I swore it was an Atom at first from the height. Wow.
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   Old Thread  #244 20 Feb 2019 at 11.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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5.7 is a good solid height Iíll have you know
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   Old Thread  #243 20 Feb 2019 at 11.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hahahahaha that's a joke surely that photograph?
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   Old Thread  #242 20 Feb 2019 at 11.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There are some pics earlier in thread with Wayne stood by one and think he says he is 5ft 7" and it still looks small
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   Old Thread  #241 20 Feb 2019 at 10.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I bet it is UltraLight size then. Which is basically a 55" brolly shape, with 60" front and side ribs. It must be if people are saying that it is small.
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   Old Thread  #240 20 Feb 2019 at 10.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It seems new one is very small
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This is so brilliant. I've been sleeping under one for years while fishing... None of the millennials paid it any attention. BUT NOW they have been re released... Haha everyone needs to comment about my Aqua Ultralight who sees it on the bank now, even youngsters.

A flatliter goes into mine snug. I have the foot end just touching the brolly, and a bit of clearance at the head end. I thought they were making this new one in an in between size? Is it small then? I've not seen the new one.

And my ultralight has great head room, and the door is pretty high with the front sticks and front on.
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   Old Thread  #238 20 Feb 2019 at 10.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
One forsale on ebay already clearly someone found it too small
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   Old Thread  #237 11 Feb 2019 at 6.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Will a nash wide boy fit in with ease
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   Old Thread  #236 10 Feb 2019 at 8.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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From what i am hearing the Aquatexx on the Pioneer surpasses anything available at the moment (akin to original quality). People have been demanding this quality for years. If people want best quality fabric materials then the payoff is always weight ... I think Aqua should be credited for this (assuming long term reviews stay positive). The fact the Tempest is such a good alternative is also credit to Aqua/Trakker ..... Carp anglers never had it such good choice
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   Old Thread  #235 10 Feb 2019 at 7.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But the tempest bivvy is aquatex. A usable size and height and only weighs about 6kg. Iím sure they could have increased the size and used the fast and light aquatex to keep the weight to a useable amount. Maybe use carbon sticks.

To give you an actual example. Aquas m3 compact weighs 11.5kg using full weight aquatex. The cyprinus m3 compact uses the light weight aquatex and weighs 7.2kg.

So they could have easily built a usable size and offset the added frame weight with the f&l aquatex
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   Old Thread  #234 10 Feb 2019 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I cant see how Aqua can win in this. If they make it lighter people, will moan about the materials used as the quality will need to be compromised. When they offer high quality materials, people moan about the weight
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   Old Thread  #233 10 Feb 2019 at 4.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wait til quality slips when need make a few not just the shop demo ones
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   Old Thread  #232 10 Feb 2019 at 4.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Imagine how heavy the full sized mk2 will be. Will need a health warning.
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   Old Thread  #231 10 Feb 2019 at 4.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have not been a fan of Aqua quality myself the past few years. But I take my hat off to them on this one.

I too went to see one in the flesh as well yesterday and wow. The quality is something else.

Unfortunatly, it's way too small, too low and heavy for me as well though.
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   Old Thread  #230 10 Feb 2019 at 2.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Wonder if my dymag would fit in it?.

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   Old Thread  #229 10 Feb 2019 at 2.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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After seeing this in the flesh today, I'm glad it's way too small for me as I probably would have got my cash out there and then if it had been bigger.
The quality of this seems way above anything aqua has brought out for a long long time. The colour and thickness if the aquatexx looks just like the original union Jack stuff.
I'd be very surprised if they don't bring a bigger 1 out in the not too distant future.
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   Old Thread  #228 8 Feb 2019 at 11.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thought the same
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   Old Thread  #227 8 Feb 2019 at 2.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why would you put it up for sale and simply not return for a refund.....
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   Old Thread  #226 6 Feb 2019 at 9.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You sound just like my wife.
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Thats got to be the most usefull pic ever posted,

Indeed. With some perspective itís tiny.
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   Old Thread  #224 6 Feb 2019 at 8.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The bag is massive
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Lol. Itís a lot of things but massive isnít one of them. It does seem quite wide.
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Just see a post from someone who preordered it, came today and heís out it up for sale apparently itís massive and weighs a ducking ton
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Ok, just for the sake of balance. Having seen one in the flesh, sat in it, pulled it about etc. There are a couple of plus points.

1. The material really does feel like a return to the quality aquatex of old.
2. Feck me itís a strong bivvy. I know this one was screwed down in a shop, but assuming you can get the pegs and four sticks in as strong, then itís going nowhere. Really is rock solid.

No way Iíd want one. If I was in the market for an aqua bivvy then it would have to be the compact m3 over the new pioneer every time. If I was in the market for any shelter then the tempest beats this in every aspect.

If anyone is near Leighton buzzard then Iíd say take a trip to browns, they have the atom, pioneer, Titan, tempest composite and tempest brolly all set up next to each other, with bedchairs in so you get a proper feel of each one and can make a direct comparison. Canít beat seeing stuff in the flesh.

Browns also have a new bivvy section opening at their daventry store for you midlands monkeys.
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   Old Thread  #220 6 Feb 2019 at 7.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The aqua consultants do not see the product prior to manufacture!

Anybody of average size or over will be uncomfortable sitting in one of these.
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Looks like a fast n light
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   Old Thread  #218 6 Feb 2019 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe these are for kids and there is dads version coming out next year 😂😂
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Haha...it will after they read this thread
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It's beyond belief isn't it? Time and time again we see the faults straight away but the so called experts who design these products do not live in the real world.

I just can't believe not one of their so call consultants. Said " hang on a minute. It's a bit small and a bit low"
I mean come on now.... really !!!
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Thats got to be the most usefull pic ever posted, having owned a full sized pioneer one of the best things i liked about it was the height, sapose some may like the low profile but not for me, way to low, ya know what will come next the 1 1/2 man by popular demand
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They should have just called it New Aqua UltraLow-Lite Bivvy
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That is a really bad decision to make it that low and small.

Surely they looked and tried a prototype before manufacturing it that low??
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At first when seen out of context with nothing to judge the height by it loked great, now with some perspective it just is to short for me and i'm only 5'9". Will still be nosey if i see one on the bank but at this stage i will await the release of the Mark 2 XL, plus it gives me more time to save up some money and think of an excuse why I can't fish without it for the Mrs!

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they have dropped the ball and made it made it too low IMHO

..........SURELY ?? all they had to do was make it the same height as the original BUT ! with additional pegging points say 6" up so if you were a Dwarf and wanted to peg it low you could
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Probably a trick of the light....the one i saw was fine.
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Is it me or does the material on the new pioneer look a lot darker on the right side of the photo, compared to the left?
......or is it just the lighting in the shop
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   Old Thread  #208 6 Feb 2019 at 1.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Cheers Wayne cheers Matt that's just helped me make up my mind and save me over 200 quid it's tempest and skullcap for me that pioneer looks far too small for my needs
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Ok so the first pic shows the pioneer next to the new atom plus.
The second pic is me, and Iím only 5í7Ē tall.
When I sat on the bedchair I couldnít see out and my head touched the roof enough for me to be able to feel the frame if I sat up straight. Due to it not having such a sloping back I had more headroom in the atom.
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   Old Thread  #206 6 Feb 2019 at 1.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Well i have had a look at it and whilst it's a NO from me the system is very impressive, colour is superb and build quality looks spot on.

For me however it's just too small. The one in the shop was set up with a Nash SS3 bedchair inside and even pulled forward my head was touching the roof of the bivvy from the inside when sat down.... Actually getting in and out wasn't a problem, the front is reasonably tall, however the system slopes away quite quickly, (which gives the compact footprint) and therefore unless you pulled the bed right to the front or are are using a reasonably low bedchair i can see headroom being an issue for some and I'm not a giant at 6ft.

at least i have got it out of my system......#tempestrules !!!
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If the reports on quality materials are true, combined with the compact size, the new Pioneer has the potential to be one of the strongest bivvies around
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   Old Thread  #204 6 Feb 2019 at 12.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's 13cm lower than tempest bivvy 20cm less in depth and 10cm narrower seems quite small
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   Old Thread  #203 6 Feb 2019 at 12.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So is it smaller all round
Foot print and in height from the original
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   Old Thread  #202 6 Feb 2019 at 10.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Told ya you're getting tempted
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Any local tackle shops got one set up?

If not I will snap some pics of me standing next to the one in browns and post it on here next time Iím over there.
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   Old Thread  #200 6 Feb 2019 at 8.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I still keep looking at the pictures trying to convince myself I don't need the new Pioneer but that nostalgic aqua obsession is nibbling away.....I'm going to look at one this morning to see it in the flesh.

The weight isn't much of an issue for the waters I am going to be fishing this year so the major consideration will be the height for two reasons...1) do i have to fold myself double to get in it and 2) as my bedchair, (Nash Indulgence MK4) is quite high, (which helps my back) will there be enough head room...?

Thoughts to follow..
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   Old Thread  #199 5 Feb 2019 at 11.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers Gerry
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   Old Thread  #198 5 Feb 2019 at 11.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yes pull the 2 erection poles together push the s clip then hold one of the ribs that are on the outside I used the prologic large quick release fittings on the storm poles and I had carbon storm poles but to be honest the fox storm poles were nearly as light
mid winter in France with extended wrap had the bed length ways


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   Old Thread  #197 5 Feb 2019 at 11.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Its a seriously nice looking piece of kit.Is there a way you don't have to lie it down on the ground before you attach the storm poles that is putting me off it as I fish a lake that gets very messy in certain pegs
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   Old Thread  #196 5 Feb 2019 at 11.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yes I posted that picture years ago on here its in a museum the one he used in the Antarctic
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   Old Thread  #195 5 Feb 2019 at 11.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Off topic ever so slightly, it wasnít until watching something about Shackleton earlier that I realised Chris Manifold probably got the idea of the pramhood bivvy from that expedition,

This is one of the tents they used
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   Old Thread  #194 5 Feb 2019 at 11.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the headroom was better where you needed it (on the way out ) I would dispute the tempest is quicker dont think there is anything in it
yes my Tempest Bivvy has a bit more room but do you really need it ? spent a few 2 week sessions in france and had loads of room
I think they have made a mistake if they have lowered the new one
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   Old Thread  #193 5 Feb 2019 at 11.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So if you had the money and did not have a knackered shoulder would you choose this pioneer over the tempest.I just think the tempest is quicker to put up and looks like more use able space inside so interested to know why you would choose pioneer if you would
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   Old Thread  #192 5 Feb 2019 at 11.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I read Cyprinus are bringing a green version out soon ... be interesting if they do as to how similar to Aqua it will be

Oh great. So Iím gonna end up buying another one just to get the colour I want.

Anyone want a cheap dpm4?
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The original Pio never had a peak and in all the years I used mine it never needed one I believe its just the top hat has been altered to make it
I have a Tempest bivvy at the moment and 3 other bivvys lol
but hand on heart I thought the Original Pio was a better bivvy if only it had rear vents I could put it up or away soo fast

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   Old Thread  #190 5 Feb 2019 at 10.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You get a peak with the wrap. At an extra cost. I think that tells you all you need to know about aqua's; design

No it doesnt .... If you want a peak, buy a pramhood or a Titan

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Besides Iím more than happy with my cyprinus dpm4. Just wish it was in aqua green,

I read Cyprinus are bringing a green version out soon ... be interesting if they do as to how similar to Aqua it will be
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   Old Thread  #189 5 Feb 2019 at 10.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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to be fair the Shelter is not that heavy by itself that weight is incl pegs groundsheet etc

Weight: Approx 14.5kg (broken down as follows g sheet 2.7kg / pegs 1.2kg / bivvy 6.2kg/ infil 1.8kg / storm rods and outer bag 2.6kg )
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   Old Thread  #188 5 Feb 2019 at 10.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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15kg without wrap too I'm toying with giving the tempest v2 bivvy a try again hopefully get a good one this time if I do take the plunge
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   Old Thread  #187 5 Feb 2019 at 9.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Absolutely no chance. Iím a self confessed aqua fanboy. But I just donít get this at all. To me the tempest is the natural evolution of the pioneer. Better in pretty much every aspect.

Besides Iím more than happy with my cyprinus dpm4. Just wish it was in aqua green, but not enough to pay the £300 difference!

In a time when we are all obsessing about cutting down on weight, aqua bring out a 15kg shelter. No thanks.
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   Old Thread  #186 5 Feb 2019 at 9.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ill buy one when theyíre about £400 in a few months
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   Old Thread  #185 5 Feb 2019 at 9.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You are going end up getting one arent you Wayne
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   Old Thread  #184 5 Feb 2019 at 9.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah gotta agree. The aqua green is THE colour for bivvys.
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   Old Thread  #183 5 Feb 2019 at 8.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hi Saw one of these in Browns today. IMO the only thing going for it is the colour.....

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   Old Thread  #182 5 Feb 2019 at 8.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Now Iím no mystic meg, but my spider senses are telling me youíve not got one on preorder
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   Old Thread  #181 5 Feb 2019 at 6.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sounds like aqua have poached a sales and marketing guy from bmw.
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   Old Thread  #180 5 Feb 2019 at 5.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You get a peak with the wrap. At an extra cost. I think that tells you all you need to know about aqua's; design , sales strategy, and profitability. I refuse to believe that schisters, and there are many of them. Cannot design a good product first time around. It's not like they are having to come up with the original prototype design for the umbrella, with only paper as material. I'm sick to death of being sh***ed by companies taking the p**s out of me. Get it right first time or don't bring it to market. Trouble is unless consumers boycott overpriced crap , things will never change. Rant Over.
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Early reports i have read is that the material is more like the original models in terms of thickness. The erection poles and frame are high quality and heavy duty. Although lower, this may be the reasoning as to why it is a heavy bit of kit .... Quality comes with weight ... Early reports I am reading suggest it is very nice bit of kit
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   Old Thread  #178 2 Feb 2019 at 9.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yes, also looked at it at the show today, and also I thought that it, despite its good looks, is a bit on the small side
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   Old Thread  #177 1 Feb 2019 at 9.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You forgot the lenghty pack away time.

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No not at all, apart from the height, cost, weight, slow set up and lack of peak. Itís an absolute winner.
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   Old Thread  #175 1 Feb 2019 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looked at one at the zwolle carp show today, looks very smart, only the height = 127 cm 🤢
Midget power again


Oh FFS ! has Aqua dropped the ball again then ?
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You have no idea how much pleasure I will get sending this to Zwolle.
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   Old Thread  #173 1 Feb 2019 at 8.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When you manufacture works of art getting a butt ugly sales guy helps keep potential customers focus on the product.
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Did you pop over to the jag stand?

Iíve heard they had a right weird looking geezer working for them.
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   Old Thread  #171 1 Feb 2019 at 7.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looked at one at the zwolle carp show today, looks very smart, only the height = 127 cm 🤢
Midget power again,👀
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   Old Thread  #170 1 Feb 2019 at 5.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looked at vid can't see much different from apart from the rear vents to the tempest brolly and at under half the price too
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Weight is one thing but you will look the bollox to your fellow anglers won't ya.....†††

Lol. I think the first thing that's going to enter my head when I see someone on the bank with one of these is " All the gear and no idea "

15 kilos for a glorified brolly. WTF
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Come on admit it

If it had a made in england flag how many would buy it ?
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Canít believe it doesnít come with the Blue pegs #GUTTED
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I bought a titan brolly as a few years back. That was 15kg. Absolute joke. Thatís killed this new pioneer for me totally and I wasnít convinced in the first place. By making it smaller they clearly arenít aiming it at the long stay angler. What overnight or river anglers gonna lug a fifteen kilo shelter around?
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   Old Thread  #164 1 Feb 2019 at 2.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hahaha EDIT:.....It's not a full size Pioneer, it's a low profile updated not-so-lite
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Low profile Ultralite sums it up pretty nicely.......although it's not very light..
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So it's not a full size Pioneer, it's a low profile ultralite .....didn't like mine one bit.
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Buy it Matt, the weight will mean it's solid not flimsy and if you don't like it sell to me cheap.
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about the same as the Huts on Baden Hall
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I bought the Cyprinus Thor base 1.5 man a few years ago, it's the Avid 1 man HQ re-badged. The Avid price wasn't overly expensive but the Cyprinus cost 100 quid less.
For example, after seeing the Lucx bivvies on Ebay and now in the flesh I can honestly say there doesn't seem to be any difference in quality to more well known products.
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Not as high Wayne but same width and slightly deeper as the Ultralite;


New one is 127H x 220D x 260W

Ultralite was 140H x 210D x 260W
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Matt, is it ultralite size or standard??
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Well contrary to what i had previously said, nostalgia had got the better of me and I was all ready to pre-order one this morning but the weight and the height has put me off...
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Personally any shelter that requires four storm poles, is a ball ache. Looks pretty though.
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Weight is one thing but you will look the bollox to your fellow anglers won't ya.....
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True mate.....OK if you are fishing out of the back of your car or have a relatively short barrow but no good for a hike or moving quickly!!
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14.5 kg.... that's about the heaviest shelter I've seen released in the last 10 years.
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Full spec...

I'm a little surprised at the height....the Ultralite was 140cm high....unless the 127cm is the door height and not the bivvy height...

Exosceleton Brolly
16mm pre formed powder coated aluminium tube
20,000 mm HH Aquatexx fabric
Twin rear vents
Full zip off infill panel with panoramic mozzy vents
Supplied with:-
Ground sheet
Heavy duty carrybag
Green twin shot moulded T-pegs
4 storm rods
2 x Erection poles
Clear window
Wrap available seperately
Technical Specifications.
Material: Aquatexx / Aluminium
Weight: Approx 14.5kg (broken down as follows g sheet 2.7kg / pegs 1.2kg / bivvy 6.2kg/ infil 1.8kg / storm rods and outer bag 2.6kg )
Dimensions: Approx 127H x 220D x 260W cCM
Transport size: 175L x 30W x 30H CM
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   Old Thread  #149 31 Jan 2019 at 1.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I was a big fan of mine...then when I was in France and was erecting my very light ...pioneer....the top pole snapped under tension and I literally bashed my own head in with it.
Once I had picked myself up off the floor and my friend had helped me to stop the bleeding we realized that not only had I hurt myself quite badly the pole to put up my bivvy was now useless...a reet wrestling match ensued trying to put it up and then the same in reverse pulling it down.
Aquas response was laughable and thinking about it if it happened now instead of way back when I'd probably have sued them.
Will I be buying a new one...will I f@@k.
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   Old Thread  #148 31 Jan 2019 at 12.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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to be fair, there has been a "nostalgic" demand for the Pioneer to be re-released for many years, ... Im not sure it would of needed much help . If buying on any other criteria the Tempest wins hands down imo
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   Old Thread  #147 31 Jan 2019 at 9.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not a fool. It was really a great bivvy for its time.

And thats it in a nut shell really. For its time.
Things have moved on now. Far better materials and designs alternatives out there these days.

Like I said in my previous post. Aqua are doing a great job of selling this on nostalga alone with the power and help of of social media.
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   Old Thread  #146 31 Jan 2019 at 9.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And I was one of the fools that bought one a good bivvy once erected but taking it apart Sheeesh.
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   Old Thread  #145 31 Jan 2019 at 8.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Top marks to them for creating all the marketing hype I have no doubt they will sell lots. It is amazing what can be achieved on social media nowadays.

I had one when they first came out and didnít rate it.. Had to send it back once to be repaired in addition to this the bolts in the middle kept working loose and one of the arms snapped..

I ďupgradedĒ to a fox supa brolly when they were released and thought that was far superior. Never had a problem with this at all.

I now have a tempest as well and again think that is a million miles better than the pioneer

I have no doubt they will have improved it, but not for me..

Just my opinion
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   Old Thread  #144 30 Jan 2019 at 5.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Correct.. there were only limited crossfires released.. nearly all of them were returned... back to the drawing board and wa la.. the tempest is born
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   Old Thread  #143 30 Jan 2019 at 12.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He will be as he has a problem with his shoulder if you didn't already know oh and he's a poor pensioner so he says
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   Old Thread  #142 30 Jan 2019 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Always thought the tempest looked more like The Crossfire.....
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IMO, my old Pioneer was a right faff to set up and the the new one looks no different.

Aqua are doing a really great job of marketing it and all this hype is just bast on nostalgia.

Stick with your Tempest Gerry. I will be. It may not have the kudos of this new version of the Pioneer but it's streets ahead in design, practability and usability.

I just love the way I can set my tempest up free standing and then move it over my bedchair into position. Three pegs and it's done.
Simples
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   Old Thread  #140 30 Jan 2019 at 9.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Iíve owned both the original Titan and the original Pioneer Ė they are ďChalk and CheeseĒ Titan just has one Block like half a Brolly Centre, and the Bivvy Skin hangs off the Poles under little tension (Used to get a Pond develop every time it rained in the middle/front)

In the Pioneer, Chris designed an outer Frame like a Brolly's inner Frame and under Tension, to provide more room than a Brolly plus no Centre Cap to keep banging your head on.

But modern Brolly Systems are far more advanced than back in those days with Flat Backs, Carbon Frame, no Centre Pole, Centre Cap re-located to back out of the way etc... Would I swap my XTi for a Titan or Pioneer Ė no chance! Iíve got masses of usable room, zero condensation all year round, no over-wrap to mess around with, zipped in Ground sheet. I can even leave the inner fleece and ground sheet fitted making set up time very quick.
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   Old Thread  #139 30 Jan 2019 at 7.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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what you simply fan it out and pull a pole to open it ?
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   Old Thread  #138 30 Jan 2019 at 5.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They are gerry yes, your point being?
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   Old Thread  #137 30 Jan 2019 at 3.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís the same as a titan
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   Old Thread  #136 29 Jan 2019 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same way as original titan Gerry.
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   Old Thread  #135 29 Jan 2019 at 10.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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? look at the way it opens to erect it
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   Old Thread  #134 29 Jan 2019 at 8.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the Tempest was taken from the design of the Pioneer ?

Looking at it, the Tempest was more taken from the Titan design TBH
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   Old Thread  #133 29 Jan 2019 at 8.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Tempest is pretty innovative .... The Pioneer even more so considering was a decade ago ... The spomb is just a variation of the spod
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   Old Thread  #132 29 Jan 2019 at 8.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do they "develop" anything themselves, or just nick others designs?


the Tempest was taken from the design of the Pioneer ?
Aqua and Trakker are one and the same arnt they ?
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   Old Thread  #131 29 Jan 2019 at 8.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Black poles 👎
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   Old Thread  #130 29 Jan 2019 at 8.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah it is to a point, others make their own version of gear. But cyprinus blatantly just well the same thing. Fair play to them for it. As for last innovation, I'd say you are right with the spomb. Can't think of anything else more recent
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   Old Thread  #129 29 Jan 2019 at 8.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Seen a preview on F-book.
Looks nice enough!
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   Old Thread  #128 29 Jan 2019 at 8.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Isnít that just the same as most companies these days? When was the last truly new innovation? The prom hood bivvy?, and even that idea was nicked from outside angling.

Perhaps the spomb?

I really trying hard to think of something in recent years thatís not just a variation on a theme.
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   Old Thread  #127 29 Jan 2019 at 8.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do they "develop" anything themselves, or just nick others designs?
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   Old Thread  #126 29 Jan 2019 at 8.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís been mentioned several times that they have a tempest style shelter in development.
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   Old Thread  #125 29 Jan 2019 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cyprinus will have one out in a years time, from same factory in same boxes
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   Old Thread  #124 29 Jan 2019 at 7.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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pre ordered mine today Then woke up in a cold sweat
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   Old Thread  #123 29 Jan 2019 at 7.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Full details available on Friday evidently...
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   Old Thread  #122 29 Jan 2019 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Anyone seen how much it weighs?
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   Old Thread  #121 29 Jan 2019 at 6.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same here I would love one but it's too expensive for me lol.
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   Old Thread  #120 29 Jan 2019 at 6.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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YOUR LINKY POO

Bstds ! now Im on a crap pension and cant afford one they blooming release it gggrrrr
looks the nuts I would far rather that than my Tempest thats for sure

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   Old Thread  #119 29 Jan 2019 at 6.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY6LE8tiuEw

Looks really good
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   Old Thread  #118 27 Jan 2019 at 0.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's always best to admit when you're wrong. A man of distinction like yourself should know that.

Maybe we are both right anyway, or wrong... They are not bringing out an Ultralight, or a Pioneer... But an in between size.

Call it a draw.
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   Old Thread  #117 26 Jan 2019 at 10.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Better get sewing and making us all some then Keith we don't mind the price.
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   Old Thread  #116 26 Jan 2019 at 10.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lets just say it was of a hell of a lot more advanced a design than any of the crap out there now, and that's the problem - NOBODY will ever come out with anything new anymore.

As for a British made BIvvy again - never ever going happen! 99% of Tackle Companies are now run by accountants, back in those days they was run by anglers for anglers.
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   Old Thread  #113 26 Jan 2019 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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how did it come apart them m8 ? as my poles had 2 breaks ?


and Scott I was just explaining the only reason I havent still got it ?........... oh and go F*** yourself you ****
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   Old Thread  #112 26 Jan 2019 at 9.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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****ing hell Gerry, how long do we need to hear about your shoulder?

It's been years ffs
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   Old Thread  #111 26 Jan 2019 at 9.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Was not a problem with my Aqualite Gerry Ė as it had no joints that split at all mate, it did not have removable Tensioning Bars either Ė as they was built in also
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one of us is deluded !! it aint me !

And yes Keith
I think Aqua`s biggest mistake was discontinuing its best ever bivvy the Aqualite sadly I had to recently sell mine due to a permanent life changing shoulder injury which means I cannot now never pull apart a pramhood joint
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I don't give a **** I buy what I want
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Make me a bivvy please mate
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Get Cotswold to work with jag on the manufacture as they did on the pod bag, just need Chris to design something special. Unfortunately just like some carpers ( not anglers) that cash in on others hard work someone will take the design to China and have it copied and sell it at a much cheaper price and then those that couldn't afford the original will be telling us how we were ripped off and mugs for buying it.
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   Old Thread  #105 26 Jan 2019 at 8.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The original Pioneer was very large and rather heavy, but Chris got the design spot on, with the size of it the Block hardly had to do anything.
In fact I set up one of the first five made with Roger Seaton when we was fishing on ďThe WoodĒ , the material was far superior to the later stuff, had a kind of velvet feel to it, remember walking around in it Ė zero light came in, was like being in a big green Igloo!

But then people started moaning about the weight, and the Pioneer Ultra light was developed, smaller, lighter and the Poles/Skin under one hell of a lot more tension due to the increased curvature of the Poles.

Like I said mine sheared the S Clip about five hours after I had built my own up myself at Lower Healey (Aqua factory location in Chorley) I remember tying it to a rope via the block and hoisting it up in the air under a powerful spot lamp to check for holes in the skin.

Off memory I did try Carbon Poles in the Ultra light - but the tension on the skin started to pull the stitching apart.
Carbon Poles did work in the Aqua Lite thou, as I fitted them in to mine for a while Ė then removed, sent off for evaluation to Chris I presume (I made/fitted another set) If I was Aqua Iíd be more inclined to re-release a Aqualite.
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Yeah so would I but I think Chris is too busy enjoying doing what he does now.Like I say I have asked Julie a few times and it's always a no she can't do it
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Bradders, ask them to put me at the very front of the queue if that ever happens. I'll pay top money to. Sometimes carp fishing does not realise what it has, until it is gone. He needs to come back and show them all how to make a bivvy in 2019.
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Give it up Oldgeezer. I love you a bit, long before I joined this forum, I purchased so many things on your recommendations. Loads of bits. Brilliant man. You saved me and my dogs getting eaten alive. Please don't spoil it all now, with this crazy, psychopathic notion, that the original Pioneer, was as good as the Ultralight. I had both. The original Pioneer was soon discontinued, for good reason to. You must be tipsy, that will be it.

You're wrong, just deal with it, and move on

Ultralight is better
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I'm talking about the very specific case, of when production of the Ultralight moved over to Trakker. They put alloy screws into the top hats on the block. Instead of the Aqua steel nut and bolt. The top hats would fail on them. When they became loose, they would distort the S clip to. Causing either the top hat to blow up, or the S clip to give way. I've given advice to some one on this forum already of exactly what to buy for pennies, and how to fix them.

Once nut and bolted, this has never happened to me. I've been using them for years, I've had loads of them. I've helped people buy cheap broken Trakker ones for buttons, and fix them forever in five minutes. Loads of times. It used to be a fun game for a couple of my mates.

I've never broke a single pole, unless it was my fault. Opened them gawd knows how many thousands of times. Only pole I've ever broke in donkeys years in fact... Is when a big bit of tree fell on the bivvy, while pike fishing in a monster storm. We were lucky we did not die. The centre pole on the Ultralight saved us. Me and a friend were sitting on two chairs, it would have come through right between us. Smashed the bivvy to bits, blew it up. But it saved us.
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I never felt the weight of the original pioneer was it really that bad
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Thereís a vid on Aquaís Facebook page
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yea but its about weight ?
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I have tried get Julie (original aqua) to get Chris come back and start a new brand and bring back the quality of the old aqua and if they could work with jag to do the frame I'm sure it would be absolute quality
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I might be able to arrange that. 😀

Simons easily bribed.
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For 680 I would want the frame made by jag
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For 680 Iíd want titanium
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At 680 quid you'd want a carbon fibre frame !!!
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I cant see anyone being crazy enough to make another carbon bivvy .... not unless they back it up with plenty of spare parts.

I had an Ultralight and never caused me any problems either .... To need poles to erect it, along with storm poles etc made it all too fussy for me, although the skull cap was genius
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Before chorley was gone they had a prototype pioneer with a carbon frame
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The Pioneer was to big, and over that extra longer distance, the alloy poles were not really up to the job. The Ultralight was the one.
I think your talking out your arse m8 !

the Original Pioneer had thicker walled tubing I believe ! and therefore stronger
when they made the Ultracrap Ultralight the tube walling was thinner not only did a lot of them break too easily also where the tube went into the block they cracked after a time it was a pisspoor imitation IMHO

one of the things I loved about the Pio was the height as you got off the bed the height went up as came to the front and to me it was the perfect size the speed it went up or down was perfect for an overnight session or a fortnight in France that I often did !

now if they could maybe use carbon fibre frame to get rid of the weight


And as for the Tempest Brolly ! way to low for me
oh and yes I have the Tempest Bivvy


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   Old Thread  #89 26 Jan 2019 at 3.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The new pioneer has the same block system as the original from the picutres that have been posted on Facebook
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   Old Thread  #88 26 Jan 2019 at 2.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Never had any trouble with my Ultralite block/bivvy. There Iíve done it now.
The new Pioneer looks like it has a similar block to the original version. Only black but with straight handles.
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new one may use the tempest style block
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It certainly was not user miss-use - back in the day I used to make bloody loads of up-graded ďS ClipsĒ (Made from 8mm Stainless instead of 6mm) it happened to me the very first night I used mine - went with one hell of a bang!(Just slotted the Poles in and wrapped Bungee straps around till morning)

And the 2 x Cups in Stainless instead of Ally, plus fitted M8 Shallow Head Stainless Allan Screws instead of the feeble M5 standard ones at the time.

Was forever making the 2 x Poles you slotted into the Cups, but out of solid Stainless, as the ends soon started to wobble until splaying out the Ally Poles.

As for the Poles Ė being a fixed point, any stress in the frame/cover could not dissipate easily, and in doing so put huge amounts of pressure at the ends of the Poles were they fitted into the Clam Shells, especially in cold weather, I fitted Spherical Bearings to the ends of all the Poles in my Ultralite, and it was faultless after that.

But things have moved on, and I thought the Tempestís block was made to solve all these problems once and for all Ė why would you go backwards, unless it's all been up-graded?





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For me itís very simple, the ultralight is lovely shelter , and when they were around they were the best quick erect bivvy available . Now however there are other cheaper options . The tempest is a better design and the brolly is a fraction of the price .
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why do you think china cant make what we can. if they are not then its down to quality control by the uk company. I have a aqua armo mk 1 mint piece of kit but so is the new stuff. even back in the day where do you think the fabric for our uk bivvies came from also most of the frames. all old aqua did was cut sew and put together.
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   Old Thread  #83 26 Jan 2019 at 10.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I never said that mate LOL.
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No tent is worth 720 especially from china if they are back in chorley at the factory being hand made this changes things but this Chinese stuff is crap top and bottom of it my last aqua bivvy lasted me in excess of 10 years bet these wont
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Ten years to late. I've been using one since before they went out of production. I'm probably the greatest Ultralight fan that has ever walked this earth, but it's still ten years to late. How could they not see, when second hand ones were going for stupid money for so long?

One of Chris Manifolds masterpieces, just a bit to technical for some anglers to get their head around. And a bit to much for the Chinese to get right in that block for Trakker. If they have sorted the block problems... It's going to be good. The only way you can break a pole, is as MrNuvawan said... Is if it is your fault. If you try to open it, with one bit of material caught around a pole... That pole will break as you try to open it. If you never do this, you will never break a pole. A clip on cap, that remains on the brolly during set up and take down. Making a twin skin brolly! Twenty five years ago! After donkeys under a profile... This was like Buckingham Palace for brolly users!!

How some people can crab this bivvy is beyond me. It was ground breaking. And they are still copying it, be that Tempest, or now new Ultralight.... Probably longer ago than a lot of people on this thread were even alive Chris designed that bivvy. The pram hood? These were his babies among others. All the real McCoy. I know people using original Aqua pram hoods, from day one to today. Abused, and used more than their home bed... Forever lol.

Ground breaking. And I have a very old Ultralight, that still works as well now, as the day it was made.

The Pioneer was to big, and over that extra longer distance, the alloy poles were not really up to the job. The Ultralight was the one. Brolly size, just big enough to fit a proper bed in. Back then, anglers did not take the kitchen sink, so did not need a monstrous great thing. Times have changed now though. They did need a peak, when the front is on, and rain is coming at you, it comes in. I don't care, but a lot do. The single most versatile bivvy ever made IMO.

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I still use my original pioneer !!!
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over 4 years in development
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   Old Thread  #78 26 Jan 2019 at 7.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Saw a bit on instagram last night
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   Old Thread  #77 26 Jan 2019 at 7.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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on Aqua's facebook there is a little vid of the new pioneer with the peak
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Probably more important Ď look up to see where you are goingí I certainly feel aqua have lost their way as far as quality and innovation goes. And ultimately their reputation suffered as a result. 👎
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   Old Thread  #75 26 Jan 2019 at 6.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Somebody in China is having a laugh with those prices...
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   Old Thread  #74 25 Jan 2019 at 10.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My mate has a d ploy. Itís a great bit of kit but a right faff to set up apparently
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   Old Thread  #73 25 Jan 2019 at 10.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíve had a few Brollys and bivvys over the years but a few have sprung to mind

Tempest v1 nice but too heavy
Fast and light great but the quality of the mk2 is shocking
Wychwood mhr mk2 Brolly brilliant but it misses the 9th rib

Trakker pioneer ultralight brilliant but could do with rear vents so I will keep a close eye on these , as for people talking about peaks .im guessing they have never used a pioneer? There is no need .

For me the pioneer is perfect - in the winter you can use it as a full system and in the summer itís great to use stripped back . The big question is will I buy one ? Maybe but I would defo not part with my original ultra lite , and I have heard of wychwood bringing out a new d ploy . Of which a friend has the mk1 and itís very good indeed .

I really do hope the quality is there with this offering from aqua . Good luck to them I say !
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   Old Thread  #72 25 Jan 2019 at 10.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Too low needs some height

Bad back😂😂
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   Old Thread  #71 25 Jan 2019 at 10.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think the tempest beats it just my opinion of course
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   Old Thread  #70 25 Jan 2019 at 9.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep Titan hide for me 👍
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   Old Thread  #69 25 Jan 2019 at 9.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sad state of affairs really

WTF

When we were the best eh, disappointing

Whatís the saying, never forget where you have come from
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   Old Thread  #68 25 Jan 2019 at 9.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nah, 3 or 4 years ago I would have pre ordered one already but there's better out there IMO.
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   Old Thread  #67 25 Jan 2019 at 8.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Absolutely my most favourite Carp brand of all time. It used to be years ago I wanted aqua everything. I think if they had made aqua underpants I think Iíd have bought them.

Not anymore. Mass produced, average quality gear with dubious quality control. Trading off of past glories and utterly taking the piss with their prices. Simply not worth the asking price for the quality it is now.

I think trakker should do the decent thing. Theyíve squeezed out every drop of reputation that the business had before they bought it and now should let it die an honourable death.
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   Old Thread  #66 25 Jan 2019 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cult or did I say ****

Brilliant gear Aqua if Iím honest and a well established and respectable brand. £700 for a tent is ****ing ridiculous

Still, if you want another star on your carp angler wannabe CV. This is it
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   Old Thread  #65 25 Jan 2019 at 8.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Limited run of 100 followed later in year by another 300
Bigger than an ultralight and smaller than the original pioneer
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See your getting tempted now Matt arent you
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Would like to see what the dimensions are for this, same as the Ultralight?
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In my humble opinion the only reason reels, rods, bubbies have all crept up to stupid money is because people pay these stupid prices! They can get away with increasing the price year after as they know some will buy them! If people thought, £600 for a reel Ďf offí they would have to lower the prices to sell these items. Each to their own, youíve earnt it, spend it how you want, but I would never dream of paying the over extortionate prices!
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   Old Thread  #60 24 Jan 2019 at 7.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But roman asked with skullcap
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   Old Thread  #59 24 Jan 2019 at 7.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It is like the tempest without a skullcap
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   Old Thread  #58 24 Jan 2019 at 7.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The skullcap gives a peak and gives aqua another £119.99
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Yes it did
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Nope
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Thought the skull cap showed a peak tempest style, In the pics no?
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   Old Thread  #54 24 Jan 2019 at 5.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly that the pioneer has nowhere near the coverage of the Tempest
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   Old Thread  #53 24 Jan 2019 at 5.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Theyíre gonna have to after reading this thread. Lol.


Aqua is dead. Long live aqua.
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They will probably launch it on some sort of deal
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   Old Thread  #51 24 Jan 2019 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Wonder how much the Dpm version will be
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I can feel the colour draining from aquas faces as they read this.

ďDoh why didnít we fit a peak?Ē

Iíd hang on a year and wait for the Black Friday discounts and this lot gets sold off cheap.

Pioneer v2 anyone?
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I agree
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Used to love my old Ultralight (mk2 2007 with the mini sides). Never had a moments bother with it and still to this day am convinced anyone snapping poles was self inflicted! Agree though, it wasnít light and needed 4 storm poles if using the front. Nowadays, I use a fully modded Tempest brolly v1 and would never go back.

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Not me and I loved the original....Tempest, Titan and Titan Hide all better shelters imo
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Got 2 originals but personally i think the Tempest is s better bivvy
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So be honest who is going to buy one as soon as its released
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Agree about the peak 👍
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I have an original Aqua 1.5 man which was used every trip until a few years back when I bought a tempest brolly so stored the pioneer in my loft.

The originals are great but heavy, Iíve only stored it away due to spares costing a bomb as they need to be custom built.
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   Old Thread  #42 24 Jan 2019 at 8.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ive got and use a original full sized Pioneer. Yea it is awesome but its not perfect.

Why didn't Aqua take this opportunity to extend the top three arm to include a peak, stopping rain from coming in through the door.

Surely, if your gonna re-release a classic, at least improve it somewhat to offer value for money and move bivvy design on...Ö.
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Yes it can be used open fronted

Might push up the price of my original so think Iíll keep mine
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A Sasquatch apparently
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Okay. So itís not freestanding. Heavy and expensive.

Can it be used open fronted?
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From my memory you needed the short storm pole on the side to stop it falling forward.IMHO it was the best bivey ever made until the Tempest came along. Judging by the picture it looks like the pole are the same size as the original pioneer and not like the flimsy crap you had with the ultra***** .
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Whatever model it is Gerry it's never been "ultralight"...in fact I would go as far as to say they couldn't call it the "ultralight" going forward as it would be in breach of the trades description act as it is in fact, and always has been ultra heavy!
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I think I will just take my original one to Army Andy for re vents
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Obviously saw loads on the bank years ago, but I never owned one, or set one up. Is the pioneer free standing like a tempest or does it fall forward like a brolly would ifthe storm poles arenít in place. ?

Does that also mean if you want to use one without a front you still need two storm poles fitted even though itís open fronted?

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dont think its the ultracrap ultralight I think its the proper one the Pioneer

And currently I own the Tempest Bivvy but I would far rather own this Pioneer with rear vents provided its not the ultracrap ultralight
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Aqua clothing from £99 quid

I think the pioneering spirit range bombed if its the force 12 or himalayan one that had the union jack it might sell well.

People always want them
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Lets just say, I resemble Jason Momoa (Aquaman/Khal Drago) & I am punching well above my weight with her
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   Old Thread  #31 23 Jan 2019 at 9.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Depends what your wife looks like.
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   Old Thread  #30 23 Jan 2019 at 9.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Must admit I always preferred the Pioneer frame to the Tempest Y& with that new colour material & black frame, it looks the dogs undercarriage!!! Now how many days will I have to sell the wife for to be able to afford one
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   Old Thread  #29 23 Jan 2019 at 9.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #28 23 Jan 2019 at 9.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donít worry, found it lol
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   Old Thread  #27 23 Jan 2019 at 8.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Anyone got a link to the pics they can pm me? I saw it earlier and now want to show my mate and itís gone. TIA
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   Old Thread  #26 23 Jan 2019 at 8.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on. Itís a weird decision from aqua considering they must know how successful the tempest has been and obviously they will know all about the rumoured v3 air seeing as itís the same company.

I can see this bombing to be honest. I bet theyíve ordered a very limited run. They are basically pitching themselves against one of their own products. Weird business model, like Coca Cola releasing a brand new cola but at a higher price than their own flagship product.
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   Old Thread  #25 23 Jan 2019 at 8.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Not really sure why Aqua have chosen now to re-release the Ultralight.....4 or 5 years ago yes but bivvys have moved on and although the Ultralight was an awesome shelter at the time I'm not sure it will be as big a success bsecond time around....
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Well I cant agree with that ! and I think your wrong ..........for far too long we have been having our pants pulled down with the price of bivvies and brollys
now with the new companies now producing bloody good gear like
Cyprinus ,Carp Zone
to name just 2 we can realise you can buy good serviceable gear for a fraction of what the big 4 or 5 companies have been charging us its about time these big companies lowered there prices and sold more


I cant disagree with that but misses my point. I didnt suggest it was good value for money or whether it was worth the money. Like it or not, Aqua are prestigous brand, and that is why they can price high and get away with it, No different to a designer brand polo shirt doing the same.

Why sell more at a lower margin when you dont need to?? .... That makes no sense and undermines the brand exclusivity .... I wouldnt buy a Pioneer (it's an outdated design anyway imo), as I havent bought a prestigous brand angling bivvy/product for many years thanks to the access to cheaper, well made alternatives .... But i wont bitch about Aqua for being successful or how they price their goods, it just means I am no longer their target market, and im ok with that but if you look outside of this forum Aqua are still a very popular brand regardless of their pricing.
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   Old Thread  #23 23 Jan 2019 at 7.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Brian

I think when you copied and pasted your message the last line missed off. Iíve posted it here for you..

ďThanks for your help in this matter. As a token of our appreciation please let your forum know that any member with over 1000 posts will receive a 50% discount on the new pioneer, first 500 orders placed onlyĒ

There you go.
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   Old Thread  #21 23 Jan 2019 at 7.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Aquaís quality certainly isint as good as it use to be.
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   Old Thread  #20 23 Jan 2019 at 6.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Them bloody tension bars a pain in the arse trying to erect that I stick to my temple pukka simples
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   Old Thread  #19 23 Jan 2019 at 5.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Jrc,s 20,000 head material leaves aquatex standing
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   Old Thread  #18 23 Jan 2019 at 5.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You mean they havent signed the non copy deal with cyprinus yet
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   Old Thread  #17 23 Jan 2019 at 5.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The Cyprinus one will be more tempting I am sure! But I have a Tempest Brolly now like most other anglers and that has surpassed the Pioneer in ease of use and weight.
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   Old Thread  #16 23 Jan 2019 at 5.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Crazy price and not the original build quality not worth that sort of money
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   Old Thread  #15 23 Jan 2019 at 5.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said,been robing us for toooooo long😡😡
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   Old Thread  #14 23 Jan 2019 at 5.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I dont really see the issue in the price of the new Pioneer

Well I cant agree with that ! and I think your wrong ..........for far too long we have been having our pants pulled down with the price of bivvies and brollys
now with the new companies now producing bloody good gear like
Cyprinus ,Carp Zone
to name just 2 we can realise you can buy good serviceable gear for a fraction of what the big 4 or 5 companies have been charging us its about time these big companies lowered there prices and sold more
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I dont really see the issue in the price of the new Pioneer .... It isnt much more than the original, nor the Tempest. I think Aqua have been conservative with the price. If i were Aqua i would of rrp nearer £1000 and made it out on its own and cashed in on the rose tinted glasses brigade/Aqua fan boys

Having said that, with the emergence of space saving brollies, the Pioneer is nowhere near as unique as a design as once was and if its has to use erection bars again i think it wont be the success second time round. There will be an initial clamour for it im sure and the Aqua fan boys will buy it.
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   Old Thread  #12 23 Jan 2019 at 3.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Indeed
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   Old Thread  #11 23 Jan 2019 at 2.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Is the cyprinus one out yet
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   Old Thread  #10 23 Jan 2019 at 2.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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indeed, its now all over face book too!!
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   Old Thread  #9 23 Jan 2019 at 2.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Haha naughty naughty Hull angling
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   Old Thread  #8 23 Jan 2019 at 1.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Original Pioneer ( not the Ultracrap)

if you bought the top hat, storm poles,groundsheet,clear door plastic that were all extras !!
it totaled

£619.95 and that was in 2008
IMHO
it was the best bivvy ever made at that time and if they bring out another one with rear vents Im sure it will be a winner if the price is not silly

and yes I do have a Tempest Bivvy
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   Old Thread  #7 23 Jan 2019 at 12.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Brian,

Could I ask a massive favour please???

The following thread... http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=407901 Can this please be removed for now, these images are not official and are not public. Hull Angling (who posted it) are already aware of this and it is being removed.

Many thanks
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   Old Thread  #6 23 Jan 2019 at 12.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree.
Aquatex is overrated anyway imo. It's been around for 20 years now - where's the tech/development? Weighs a bloody ton.
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I just donít think it will sell.

Silly money and whatís it offer that a v2 tempest brolly doesnít already? Apart from aquatex.

Plus the rumours of a cyprinus tempest keep circling.
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   Old Thread  #3 23 Jan 2019 at 11.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looks nice but I agree 680 is beyond a joke.
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I think ill be sticking to my brolly for another year then! £680 quid good god!!
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   Old Thread  #1 23 Jan 2019 at 11.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
For anyone interested Aqua are releasing a new aqua pioneer £680 plus around £120 for the skull cap just seen it posted on hull angling Facebook page sorry canít do any links
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