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   Old Thread  #41 27 Jan 2019 at 6.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark why donít you like this rig for pop-ups? I tend to use this more than HSRís these days.

I started using it a while ago but tying it exactly like the Martin Clark Slip D.

I now tend to tie it like you. I like a curve shanked hook like the Fox SSC.

With regards to straight point, Straight eye hooks, I like the Fox Curved Short Shank

I used to use Incizors for my Mono rig, although I never found them sharp out the packet. ( I donít like sharpening hooks, bloody time consuming and Iím useless at it!)
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   Old Thread  #40 25 Jan 2019 at 11.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You'll get it mate. The more you tie, the easier it gets. I do them with my eyes shut now pretty much, perfect sized loop. You have a few mm to play with.
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   Old Thread  #39 25 Jan 2019 at 10.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Took a little while to get loop size perfect but looks great now.

Thanks again
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   Old Thread  #38 25 Jan 2019 at 9.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Doesn't the knot in the silicone make a big difference mate? Get that knot right, and the length of hook length will be good for around three entire packs of hooks I find. I used to throw bottom bait rigs away, and got through a ton of hook link. I get it free, but that rig saves loads and loads.

Don't like it for pop ups, but Martin Clarkes original version, with that silicone added... It's a wicked rig. Mechanics are superb with that adjustable kicker, and being able to change the hook easily. On a bottom bait rig that is critical.

Martin Clarke, well played sir.
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   Old Thread  #37 25 Jan 2019 at 4.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Recently tied a few of these. Really nice to tie up and flip really quick.

Not fished with them yet but really happy with the mechanics
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   Old Thread  #36 15 Jan 2019 at 9.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're welcome mate. It's hard to understand loads of details written down. Far easier to look at a photo. I guessed as soon as you saw it you would know what it is. It's just getting the loop right, so you are able to crank it against the eye of the hook, getting that nice bent hook shape.

But obviously it is soft silicone. So will straighten easily when under pressure. Unlike a curved shank hook. It's just a very safe bent hook, where you can change the hook in seconds, and not throw away tonnes of hook length.

I was getting through bundles till I started using this. Just wasting it.
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   Old Thread  #35 15 Jan 2019 at 9.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for all your input guys, interesting reading...
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   Old Thread  #34 15 Jan 2019 at 9.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can see what you mean now. In my head it was all wrong lol.

Thanks for the time to take and upload. Much appreciated
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   Old Thread  #33 15 Jan 2019 at 6.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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First bad photo, is of a size 4 Mugga, on a used one of these rigs, the hook is probably blunt, this one is attached to my rods. That had a snowman on it, I leave the floss on, and just rebait like a normal hair. It's not my rig mate, it's a slip D. I just added a bit of silicone, so I can use it with double bottom baits and snowmen, with an Incizor. The adjustable kicker is the bonus. You can put a stringer on this to, just tie the stringer to the braid D, not the hook.

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Second photo is with a size 4 Incizor, you can see that the knot pulled up inside the silicone, creates an angle, you will not get with just silicone on a straight eye. But silicone can be removed easily to change the hook. With the knot from a slip D pulled inside, you can actually adjust the angle of that kicker, and set it. The closer to the eye of the hook it is inside the silicone, the more acute the angle of the kicker will become.

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Third photo is of the same rig, taken apart to change a hook. Forget about the putty, it's a bottom bait/balanced bait rig like this. I just like that little bit of weight there. It's not for a pop up. The size of the loop is imperative, the knot must sit just behind the eye, but still allow you to slip the hook off. Foam it all up on the cast, jobs a good un.

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Fourth photo is the stuff I use for the rig. Use what you use. It's 1mm ESP silicone tube you need. This is perfect.

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   Old Thread  #32 15 Jan 2019 at 9.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers Mark
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   Old Thread  #31 15 Jan 2019 at 8.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My name is Mark mate. Yes they will work with a stiff rig. I would not use amnesia though, the chod filament materials are much better than old amnesia. They straighten far better, are more rigid, and you can shape/manipulate the material, very easily to negate the straight eye.

I used to tweak them, but this is dangerous, if you create one burr on that hook eye or shank, you have a hook that will cut any hook length material when under pressure. No need to tweak hooks eyes when using chod filament. Do it with the material instead on a straight eye.

Korda's is very good, the ACE version was the best I ever used though. It was amazing stuff. I have lots of it stashed away

I don't use this hook on a stiff rig personally, as I don't ever use an ultra stiff bottom rig right to the hooks eye, but you can. The rig I am talking about with the adjustable kicker, is made with coated braid, and the slip D part is all stripped back to braid. I use 35lb coated braid for this rig, bit stiffer, and I feel suits this rig better than 25lb.

As The Umpire mentioned, they are the best chod or SHR hook on the market, bar none. Yet no one uses them for this purpose. I may get them for free, but it would be more 'PC' for me, to tell you the Gardner chod hook is the best chod hook on the market wouldn't it. But it's not true, the incisor is the one IMO. It's a very good hook indeed, I think the best. It's now my all time favourite hook, taking over from an Atomic Chodda.
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   Old Thread  #30 15 Jan 2019 at 8.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes Tranter I can, I'm about to start work, but later, I will take a photo of a couple of those rigs tied up.
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   Old Thread  #29 14 Jan 2019 at 11.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Paul, would the new incisor be OK to use with a mono like, say, Amnesia? I like to use mono or really stiff braid for my hook links, and most people would recommend out turned eyes here. Or do you fix the alignment using the kickers?
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   Old Thread  #28 14 Jan 2019 at 10.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could you get a photo to demonstrate please mate. Does sound a good method
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   Old Thread  #27 14 Jan 2019 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm very lucky mate, I don't pay for them. But I will not recommend anything at all, that I do not use myself. I'll only use the best to that I can find for my own fishing, even if I have to pay for it (trade). I sharpen them myself. But I totally agree, if people can't do it themselves, some one like Jason is ideal. I don't sharpen them as the bottom bait/wafter rig mentioned here though. I don't like sharpening hooks so much that lay on the bottom anymore myself. They blunt to easy, and the covert dark are pin sharp from the packet. But I will always sharpen a pop up hook to the ninth degree. Including the trusty incisor.

Brilliant aren't they. That longer point really did improve the hook so much. It allowed it to be sharpened much better to.

Best hook on the market for the rigs you describe I think... And barely anyone uses them. Chod mono is easy to shape to negate the eye.

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   Old Thread  #26 14 Jan 2019 at 4.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You got me onto those mate.

Best hook for the chod, SHR and as you mention, the Multi Rig.

Get JH to sharpen them up if youre not confident in doing it yourself, only a few sheckles more than what you would buy from the dealers.....


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   Old Thread  #25 13 Jan 2019 at 7.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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1mm ESP silicone tubing . It's perfect for a size 6, 5 or 4's eye. I do a figure of eight knot, so it's a slightly larger knot inside the silicone. You can adjust the kicker to suit your needs. Over and over again. Where you have a braid D on the rig. It collapses on itself very easily when then try to eject. To me the rig works much nicer this way with bottom baits/wafters. I don't need to change a hook so often when using a pop up rig. So prefer a chod or a SHR.

What you described, that adjustable kicker multi rig with an incisor, will help you get that long shank bit back.

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   Old Thread  #24 13 Jan 2019 at 7.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting, certainly worth a go, thanks.
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   Old Thread  #23 13 Jan 2019 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Christian. Try them with a multi rig type set up. If you strip the correct amount of coating from some coated hook length. When you double it over to make the knot, ensure this loop is the right length so the knot sits no more than 5mm behind the eye of the hook. Slide some 1mm silicone down to trap the multi rig, this creates a longer shank. The more you pull the knot up the silicone towards the eye, the more acute the angle of the kicker becomes.

The silicone will hold it all tightly in place however far you cast, even with double baits. You can fish bottom baits with it, snowmen, balanced/wafters, perfect presentation. Saves a fortune in hook length material to. Instead of throwing away every length, with every ruined hook, just pop the silicone and the loop off the hook, and change it rapidly. I don't like the multi rig so much for pop ups, but for bottom baits/snowmen/balanced baits, with silicone and an incisor, they are very good indeed. I can go through two packs of hooks on a busy three night Thames trip on a stoney bottom and lots of bream. So this rig is ideal. The adjustable kicker will give you the longer incisor, and a very safe long shanked bent hook to. It's deadly.
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   Old Thread  #22 13 Jan 2019 at 7.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Used to use the longshank incisor with a small kicker, fantastic hook but not available anymore, replaced it with the Nash twister longshank which gives the same result they turn over so quick way back in the carps mouth.... will have to try the ordinary incisor, perhaps with a longer kicker.
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   Old Thread  #21 12 Jan 2019 at 10.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Gardner Covert Dark Incizor. They do not have a wide gape, but apart from that, they are exactly what you want. They are an excellent hook. Long straight point, that is very sharp from the packet. They also take sharpening very well indeed to. A lot of hooks do not. They are as strong as.

I use them in a 4 or a 5 a lot. I use them on chod and stiff hinge rigs, even though they have a very slight down turned eye. They are one of the best kept secrets in carp fishing IMO, because I never see anyone else using them. They may not be fashionable as they are an older pattern which got an update, but they are bombproof.
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   Old Thread  #20 12 Jan 2019 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
In a hay stack?
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   Old Thread  #19 12 Jan 2019 at 8.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What about the Jason Hayward wide grippa?
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   Old Thread  #18 11 Jan 2019 at 6.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Angling iron hooks are superb, sharpest out the packet hooks Iíve ever used. Not quite as sharp as Jason Haywardís hooks but canít see anything in his range that fits the bill for you
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   Old Thread  #17 11 Jan 2019 at 11.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Angling Iron Conti XS, very sharp, very strong and fits your description.
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   Old Thread  #16 11 Jan 2019 at 7.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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try bank tackle
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   Old Thread  #15 10 Jan 2019 at 9.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Mugga?
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   Old Thread  #14 10 Jan 2019 at 8.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How about the MCF Claw?
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   Old Thread  #13 10 Jan 2019 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Doesn't matter who does it, it will weaken them to an extent and that's a fact.
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   Old Thread  #12 10 Jan 2019 at 5.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Never had a problem with it
I evenread terry hearn does it alot

If its good enough for tel....

However i never heat it but a pair of forceps and pliers to tweak will do the job
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   Old Thread  #11 10 Jan 2019 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bad idea imo, it will weaken the hook to some extent. With all the different makers and patterns these days there really is no need to do anything like that
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   Old Thread  #10 10 Jan 2019 at 10.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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would Ridgemonkey straight point not do the job?

I too like the Drennan Barbel hook in 5s - nice pattern and sharp out of pack as slightly thinner wire than carp hooks

never had a issue with them in open water / minimal debris/weed/snags fishing
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   Old Thread  #9 10 Jan 2019 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As mentioned earlier , I have been using Drennan Barbel hooks for years, they are very cheap to buy, get a pkt of size 5 and try them, I rarely lose a fish on these hooks, the eye is not aggressive, they are very sharp and will do the job you want, I say size 5 because a size 5 is like a size 6 in any other brand, pm me and I will send you a couple of samples foc.
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   Old Thread  #8 10 Jan 2019 at 7.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks....
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   Old Thread  #7 10 Jan 2019 at 0.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Carptackleonline.com mate may do what you need.
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   Old Thread  #6 9 Jan 2019 at 10.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the angle of the eye is far too aggresive for me

Do what we used to do many years ago, heat the eye with a lighter or over a cooker for about 4 seconds and bend it to how you want it. If you make it red hot it will loose all its temper and snap. I cannot remember the full procedure if that was it or you heated it again and plunged it into oil to retemper the hook.

I think the last time I read about doing it was in an article by Nick Helyeur when he could not find a suitable hook to his requirements.
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   Old Thread  #5 9 Jan 2019 at 5.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Esp cryogen classic is the same as the big t just rebranded
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Atomic sabre, superb hooks 👍
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Thanks, I'll give the Atomic ones a look
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   Old Thread  #2 9 Jan 2019 at 3.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lighter - Drennan super specialist barble hooks

Stronger - Atomic gunsmoke sabre hooks

Sure there must be others out there?!
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.......nothing complicated.

Medium length shank, widish gape, straight point, SLIGHTLY downturned eye, easy eh?

Nothing could be further from the truth, how hard can it be to find a basic hook? The nearest would be the Nash Fang Twister but the angle of the eye is far too aggresive for me. The other would be the old ESP Big T, but they stopped making those years ago.............

Any ideas?
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