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   Old Thread  #41 27 Jan 2019 at 6.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark why donít you like this rig for pop-ups? I tend to use this more than HSRís these days.

I started using it a while ago but tying it exactly like the Martin Clark Slip D.

I now tend to tie it like you. I like a curve shanked hook like the Fox SSC.

With regards to straight point, Straight eye hooks, I like the Fox Curved Short Shank

I used to use Incizors for my Mono rig, although I never found them sharp out the packet. ( I donít like sharpening hooks, bloody time consuming and Iím useless at it!)
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   Old Thread  #40 25 Jan 2019 at 11.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You'll get it mate. The more you tie, the easier it gets. I do them with my eyes shut now pretty much, perfect sized loop. You have a few mm to play with.
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   Old Thread  #39 25 Jan 2019 at 10.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Took a little while to get loop size perfect but looks great now.

Thanks again
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   Old Thread  #38 25 Jan 2019 at 9.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Doesn't the knot in the silicone make a big difference mate? Get that knot right, and the length of hook length will be good for around three entire packs of hooks I find. I used to throw bottom bait rigs away, and got through a ton of hook link. I get it free, but that rig saves loads and loads.

Don't like it for pop ups, but Martin Clarkes original version, with that silicone added... It's a wicked rig. Mechanics are superb with that adjustable kicker, and being able to change the hook easily. On a bottom bait rig that is critical.

Martin Clarke, well played sir.
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   Old Thread  #37 25 Jan 2019 at 4.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Recently tied a few of these. Really nice to tie up and flip really quick.

Not fished with them yet but really happy with the mechanics
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   Old Thread  #36 15 Jan 2019 at 9.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're welcome mate. It's hard to understand loads of details written down. Far easier to look at a photo. I guessed as soon as you saw it you would know what it is. It's just getting the loop right, so you are able to crank it against the eye of the hook, getting that nice bent hook shape.

But obviously it is soft silicone. So will straighten easily when under pressure. Unlike a curved shank hook. It's just a very safe bent hook, where you can change the hook in seconds, and not throw away tonnes of hook length.

I was getting through bundles till I started using this. Just wasting it.
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   Old Thread  #35 15 Jan 2019 at 9.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for all your input guys, interesting reading...
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   Old Thread  #34 15 Jan 2019 at 9.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can see what you mean now. In my head it was all wrong lol.

Thanks for the time to take and upload. Much appreciated
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   Old Thread  #33 15 Jan 2019 at 6.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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First bad photo, is of a size 4 Mugga, on a used one of these rigs, the hook is probably blunt, this one is attached to my rods. That had a snowman on it, I leave the floss on, and just rebait like a normal hair. It's not my rig mate, it's a slip D. I just added a bit of silicone, so I can use it with double bottom baits and snowmen, with an Incizor. The adjustable kicker is the bonus. You can put a stringer on this to, just tie the stringer to the braid D, not the hook.

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Second photo is with a size 4 Incizor, you can see that the knot pulled up inside the silicone, creates an angle, you will not get with just silicone on a straight eye. But silicone can be removed easily to change the hook. With the knot from a slip D pulled inside, you can actually adjust the angle of that kicker, and set it. The closer to the eye of the hook it is inside the silicone, the more acute the angle of the kicker will become.

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Third photo is of the same rig, taken apart to change a hook. Forget about the putty, it's a bottom bait/balanced bait rig like this. I just like that little bit of weight there. It's not for a pop up. The size of the loop is imperative, the knot must sit just behind the eye, but still allow you to slip the hook off. Foam it all up on the cast, jobs a good un.

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Fourth photo is the stuff I use for the rig. Use what you use. It's 1mm ESP silicone tube you need. This is perfect.

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   Old Thread  #32 15 Jan 2019 at 9.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers Mark
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   Old Thread  #31 15 Jan 2019 at 8.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My name is Mark mate. Yes they will work with a stiff rig. I would not use amnesia though, the chod filament materials are much better than old amnesia. They straighten far better, are more rigid, and you can shape/manipulate the material, very easily to negate the straight eye.

I used to tweak them, but this is dangerous, if you create one burr on that hook eye or shank, you have a hook that will cut any hook length material when under pressure. No need to tweak hooks eyes when using chod filament. Do it with the material instead on a straight eye.

Korda's is very good, the ACE version was the best I ever used though. It was amazing stuff. I have lots of it stashed away

I don't use this hook on a stiff rig personally, as I don't ever use an ultra stiff bottom rig right to the hooks eye, but you can. The rig I am talking about with the adjustable kicker, is made with coated braid, and the slip D part is all stripped back to braid. I use 35lb coated braid for this rig, bit stiffer, and I feel suits this rig better than 25lb.

As The Umpire mentioned, they are the best chod or SHR hook on the market, bar none. Yet no one uses them for this purpose. I may get them for free, but it would be more 'PC' for me, to tell you the Gardner chod hook is the best chod hook on the market wouldn't it. But it's not true, the incisor is the one IMO. It's a very good hook indeed, I think the best. It's now my all time favourite hook, taking over from an Atomic Chodda.
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   Old Thread  #30 15 Jan 2019 at 8.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes Tranter I can, I'm about to start work, but later, I will take a photo of a couple of those rigs tied up.
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   Old Thread  #29 14 Jan 2019 at 11.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Paul, would the new incisor be OK to use with a mono like, say, Amnesia? I like to use mono or really stiff braid for my hook links, and most people would recommend out turned eyes here. Or do you fix the alignment using the kickers?
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   Old Thread  #28 14 Jan 2019 at 10.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could you get a photo to demonstrate please mate. Does sound a good method
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   Old Thread  #27 14 Jan 2019 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm very lucky mate, I don't pay for them. But I will not recommend anything at all, that I do not use myself. I'll only use the best to that I can find for my own fishing, even if I have to pay for it (trade). I sharpen them myself. But I totally agree, if people can't do it themselves, some one like Jason is ideal. I don't sharpen them as the bottom bait/wafter rig mentioned here though. I don't like sharpening hooks so much that lay on the bottom anymore myself. They blunt to easy, and the covert dark are pin sharp from the packet. But I will always sharpen a pop up hook to the ninth degree. Including the trusty incisor.

Brilliant aren't they. That longer point really did improve the hook so much. It allowed it to be sharpened much better to.

Best hook on the market for the rigs you describe I think... And barely anyone uses them. Chod mono is easy to shape to negate the eye.

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