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   Old Thread  #1  8 Jan 2019 at 9.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I JUST SAW THIS on another site worth seeing what can happen when your winter fishing


the story QUOTE ...

. never fall asleep with a heater on in your bivvy.. buy a proper sleeping bag
.. Stay safe guys .
I was witness to some horrific events Sunday evening whilst fishing.
The dangers are there for all of us using stoves and heaters in a bivvy. My mates bivvy ignited while he slept,
he appeared in my swim with some nasty burns
. The remains of the bivvy and his stuff are in the pic.

He's really lucky that it wasn't worse but still faces months of recovery with the worst of the burns to his hand and foot.
Get well soon mate. And to the rest of you, take extra care on the bank!!




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   Old Thread  #38 8 Feb 2019 at 6.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I got sent a video the other day of someone lighting a cigarette inside a van that had a leaking lpg bottle in the back.
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   Old Thread  #37 7 Feb 2019 at 8.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ha! I see what you mean. Its probably nothing more than a new 'Ology feature.. Ultimate bivvy test?

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   Old Thread  #36 7 Feb 2019 at 8.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can’t remember the ratio for lpg, but natural gas is explosive in air between 5-15% so I’d say with the door open you’d struggle to get a build up large enough to get a static ignition. However you might be able to get a localised explosive mix very close to the source of the leak, if you then lit the stove it could be an interesting day
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   Old Thread  #35 7 Feb 2019 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just been watching a carpology review of of the new Fox magnetic rig boxes on Youtube...someones bivvy was well ablaze in the background I hope he was alright
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   Old Thread  #34 11 Jan 2019 at 8.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Darwins law
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   Old Thread  #33 11 Jan 2019 at 7.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Strange you say that, a couple of years ago I noticed I was going through gas faster than usual.

The make of canister I got even when the stove was turned off, were still leaking gas, so I had to unscrew the stove valve in between use.
I can't remember what make gas canister it was, but I do know it wasn't CADAC, or Coleman, I also remember buying it from Johnson Ross.

Also a few years ago, I was sauteing some potatoes in the frying pan and somehow ended up putting a hole in the connecting pipe from the valve to the stove. Whatever fell onto the hose melted the pipe under the metal sheathing.

Rubber O rings wear or dry out, dried rubber seals between the pipe valve and canister dry out. Both can be responsible for allowing gas to escape.
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   Old Thread  #32 11 Jan 2019 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Its interesting to note that they cannot account for what caused it apart for half a canister exploded.

Back in Autumn of last year, I was packing all my tackle and bivvy away and loading it into the car. On a couple of occasions when I lifted the boot, I thought I could smell gas in the car but never gave it much thought. Eventually, I checked my food bag to check my gas canister and spares, 220 size canisters they were, and found that I had put my bag in tight up against the drivers seat and the canister in use was in a position that its valve was pushed in allowing gas to escape. Thinking back now, I was lucky that nothing ignited it

Since then, I have tightened up on how I store and use my gas canisters. I now always remove the canister from the cooker every time I use it instead of leaving it on for the whole session to eliminate any chance of leakages or turning it on by accident which i did once. I always after removing the canister from the stove, check the valve is closed and nothing is leaking out by smelling it and also applying a bit of spit to the valve to check for bubbles, and then I always replace the red plastic safety cap over the valve before putting it back into my bag. Before, I used to just throw them into the rubbish bag.

This morning whilst out, it crossed my mind, that when I am using my sleeping bag, fleece jacket and overwrap with a fleecy pile inner, if I brush my hand across any of them, I get lots of blue sparks from all the static which I only see when its dark. Would it be possible for these sparks to ignite a bivvy and turn it into a fireball with the right mixture of air and gas to turn it into a fireball? If so, just turning over in your sleeping bag whilst asleep may be enough to ignite a gas filled bivvy.

With that thought in mind, I see no reason now, why I should have gas canisters in my bivvy whilst fishing except when I am using them when it is to wet to cook outside or in the doorway. Other than that, from now on, I shall be storing them outside in a small plastic box or bucket.
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   Old Thread  #31 11 Jan 2019 at 7.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #30 9 Jan 2019 at 10.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
See this story from a few years ago at Chilham mill.

A fisherman who suffered horrific burns when two gas canisters exploded in his face is warning others about the dangers.

Angler of 40 years Stuart Roberts was fishing at a lake at Chilham Mill when the freak accident happened.

The 50-year-old had been making a cup of tea on a portable stove when he landed a carp.

Angler Stuart Roberts suffered horrific burns when a gas canister exploded in his face
Angler Stuart Roberts suffered horrific burns when a gas canister exploded in his face
As he turned to the lake to reel the fish in, he was unaware flames were quickly spreading to his bivvy – a small tent used by carp fishermen – which contained two spare gas canisters.

Suddenly, one of the canisters exploded, and as Mr Roberts bent down to try to douse the blaze, the other blew up in his face. The heat was so intense that it singed his skin and melted his glasses to his face.

The father-of-two said: “I lit the stove to boil water to make my first cup of tea of the day. I was just tiring my fish when the bivvy caught fire and caused the first explosion.

“I was trying to salvage my stuff and throw water over it when the other canister went bang. It happened so quickly.”

Stuart is lucky to have his sight, while his arms were damaged in the gas blast
Stuart is lucky to have his sight, while his arms were damaged in the gas blast
Emergency crews were called and rushed to the lake in two ambulances, two cars, and the air ambulance.

Paramedics treated Mr Roberts at the scene before airlifting him to the William Harvey Hospital in Ashford. He was later transferred to the specialist burns unit at East Grinstead.

He said: “I have burns all over my face, head, hands and arms. Doctors pulled the damaged skin off and dressed the wounds, but I’ll be left with scars. It’s obviously very painful.

“But as well as the injuries, I lost more than £3,500 worth of fishing tackle, my phone and my wallet with my kids’ photos in it.”

His partner Lynn Gaymer, also 50, says her heart “dropped down to her boots” when she heard Stuart had been hurt.

She says: “It was awful when I got that phone call from the air ambulance crews to say he’d been badly burnt.

Stuart's arms were badly burned
Stuart's arms were badly burned
“I was in such a state on the way to hospital because I didn’t know what I was going to see.

“It looked pretty nasty. The burns cover most of his head including his ears, his face, his lips.

"Doctors pulled the damaged skin off and dressed the wounds, but I’ll be left with scars" - Stuart Roberts
“If he hadn’t had his glasses on at the time, he would’ve been blinded. The glass had melted to his face, but they managed to save his sight, which is one positive.”

Mr Roberts hopes his ordeal will serve as a lesson to other anglers to keep an eye on their stoves – and avoid storing gas canisters in bivvies.

He adds: “It was a force of nature, but I did what we all do wrong – I turned my back on it.”

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   Old Thread  #29 9 Jan 2019 at 10.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
By habit, I always get out my food, and cooking accessories etc and fill my kettle before I light my stove, mainly to avoid knocking the stove over by accident and maybe leading to a fire. But, after a couple of incidents I always feel it handy to have the kettle ready these days to chuck over a fire if it was to happen. Plus, I always keep my bucket of water for testing rigs etc always at arms reach and that to may come in handy if need be.

The problem is, no matter how safe you are, accidents happen and also the unexpected can happen no matter how careful you are.

.My accident was, I once left my trangia ready to light for to long on the groundsheet of my bivvy, consequentially when I lit it, the fumes from the meths had leaked out and over the groundsheet igniting and I got the "Blue Flame of Death" which spread rapidly across the groundsheet igniting small particles etc in yellow flashes as the flame passed over them. Luckily, I never had a major fire but I learnt my lesson.

The unexpected was, I was frying a frozen burger on my trangia. I noticed the burger swelling up and then all of a sudden it exploded, fat and steam burst from it and the flame from the trangia ignited it all resulting in a huge fireball. Once again I was lucky not to have burnt myself or set fire to the bivvy. These days, I will not fry frozen food. It appears the problem was, I had browned both sides of the burger as the center thawed out but the resulting steam etc could not escape due to the sides being browned so it built pressure up and then exploded.
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   Old Thread  #28 9 Jan 2019 at 9.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I set myself on fire about 3 weeks ago.

The carpy fortis baggy sleeve jumper...lighting the stove with aforementioned baggy sleeve too close to ignition and whooshca up I go tried to beat that sleeve out with the other hand...and set the other sleeve on fire...looked like that Spitfire pilot in the Battle of Britain film.

Contemplated jumping in the lake but managed to slack the flames out after a second or two...strangely with absolutely no damage to me or the jumper

Change of unterpanties...lesson learned
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   Old Thread  #27 9 Jan 2019 at 8.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hi all Had a chap on my regular water suffer a very near miss during the summer the year before last when he had a stove incident.... unsure what exactly it was..flare up? refilling!!! ?? or what but result was the same
admittedly it wasnt cold but it goes to show these things CAN and DO happen ANYTIME... complacency isn't acceptable. Brewing up in the doorway can be risky esp' if theres a light breeze or stronger..fluttering flame near hanging crash bag/cover or wings/sides/doors etc of shelter. Just be aware and minimise the risks

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   Old Thread  #26 9 Jan 2019 at 7.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I've lost 2 bivvys in the past by my own stupidity having candles on.
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   Old Thread  #25 9 Jan 2019 at 7.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yes Paul
sadly your so right it affected him badly for months after and as you say something you will never forget
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