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   Old Thread  #27 9 Jan 2019 at 7.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bpo essential oil, I have ordered it from several sources over the years and my latest 2 litres came from a new supplier and itís slightly thinner but still bloody potent! I said on here before about a mate getting only one bite last winter on a 12mm bait soaked in 30ml of pure bpo.......it weighed 57lb and was its only capture
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   Old Thread  #26 9 Jan 2019 at 6.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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KB,
There are bp essential oil, oleoresin and water soluble extract. Do you suggest to start with the oil?
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   Old Thread  #25 9 Jan 2019 at 6.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Our tank tests are conducted on 4 acre and 6 acre crystal clear waters and have been for over a decade. Itís much fairer than a warm tank and hungry small carp in my opinion. I am with a company but wouldnít be so foolish to blatantly throw our products at you or make you buy something I have no faith in myself. The spray I have the most faith in is based on minamino (thatís as far as Iím going) mixed with a tiny amount of 3 other liquids of varying viscosity and weights (that may be a clue to why itís so efficient). As I said, just using silly amounts of thin strong man made synthetic flavours isnít my idea of a booster as the dispersion is generally all left at the lakes surface on the cast. Iíd rather make the liquids adhere to the hookbait or tiny pva bag I use on most casts, or ideally Pre soak my hookbaits and ďcureĒ them in a 3 stage process over 3 weeks. The ability to watch a carpy reaction to any bait is mind blowing. You learn more in 3 minutes than you can in a lifetime guessing behind rods. So much so I have thrown away 80 percent of the crap I used to think carp loved! I travel so light now as Iím not weighed down with ďcould come in handyĒ baits. A carp can detect one 6mm trout pellet from 5 feet above so can they detect liquids, attractors or boosters? They sure can!
If you want to understand essential oil detection may I suggest you try a hookbait you have zero confidence in and apply 5 drops of bpo a week before you fish and try it again! Itís personal perception wether carp can detect oils and I believe they can (remember they are strong condensed attractors)....how they do it though is hard to prove. Maybe it just displaces the ph enough to provoke investigation
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   Old Thread  #24 9 Jan 2019 at 5.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Tell Frank Warwick about this overflavouring business. He'd probably nod, agree, then cast out one of his potent singles and catch a fish to prove you wrong. Theory vs practice again.
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   Old Thread  #23 9 Jan 2019 at 4.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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try a UB bait with the appropiate booster and you cannot go wrong
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   Old Thread  #22 9 Jan 2019 at 3.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'd say that one or two sprays prior to casting on a single hookbait will not over flavour it as it is too low a dosage, and will also be washed off fairly quickly. I believe that is the intended use for the 'booster' sprays is it not? You've got to remember that flavours will wash out of baits once underwater too, so a slight overdose will be fine after a while or so, perfect if you leave hookbaits in for 12hrs or longer.

I do agree that constant flavouring will over flavour and potentially become a deterrent, however not all flavours have the same level for 'overdosing', that varies between recipes. i.e. not all strawberry flavours are exactly the chemical make up.

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   Old Thread  #21 9 Jan 2019 at 3.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What's everyones views on the various bait sprays to boost hookbaits, Northern specials seem to catch pretty much everywhere and have caught me a few fish in the past. However I believe the accompanying bait spray is the same strength flavour as used to make them in the first place.(have read Gaz Fareham saying you can use 3mil of the bait spray if you want to make your own cork ball pop ups) Surely if that's the case continually spraying neat flavour onto hookbaits will be way too strong !
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   Old Thread  #20 9 Jan 2019 at 1.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi KB,
From previous posts, I gather that you are connected to a bait co. and are able to conduct comprehensive tank and field testing, to trial additives and mix combinations etc.
Re essential oils, do you have any compelling evidence to support their effectiveness, given the negative opinion of bait science? On the black forum, EOs were a contentious subject that gave rise to many a lively debate and divided opinions.
Also, re your spray and powder combo, are you able to elaborate on the science behind it without revealing sensitive info?
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   Old Thread  #19 9 Jan 2019 at 7.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Synthetic flavours be careful with as itís easy to ruin a hookbait. Just remember there are many many things in liquid and powder form that alter the ph of your hookbait. I have a spray that I combine with a powder that I have passed on to my customers and literally every single one of them said itís a game changer. My last two seasons have been awesome and itís accounted for 75 percent of the takes. However the science behind it runs slightly deeper than most think. Essential oils are deadly too regardless of what people say can and cannot be detected
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   Old Thread  #18 9 Jan 2019 at 0.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #17 8 Jan 2019 at 10.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What Gary said.

You are all using carp bait designed flavours in baits these days, that are strong enough to come through in a bait, after boiling. That makes them pretty poky. Start boosting hook baits with the wrong stuff, and you might as well stay at home, or cast a rig out with no hook.

Just because it is the 'right stuff' in a boiled bait at low levels, does not mean in any way that it is the right stuff to start boosting hook baits with, at high levels.
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   Old Thread  #16 8 Jan 2019 at 10.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think it depends on what you boost them with. Some substances are known to act as a deterrent at high levels.
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   Old Thread  #15 8 Jan 2019 at 5.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perhaps it wasn't the boosting that made it spook, assuming it was the same colour etc as the free offerings?
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   Old Thread  #14 8 Jan 2019 at 4.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I watched a fish SPOOK off a boosted bait amongst normal free offerings.
Food for thought....
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   Old Thread  #13 8 Jan 2019 at 2.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They've probably morphed into a new lifeform by now
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