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   Old Thread  #27 17 Jan 2019 at 2.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I've cycled tanks both ways, both work, but you have to be more careful live cycling and not overdo it initially as already said.
If your fish ever get ill then it'll be down to bad water quality..
As a statement that needs elaborating. If there is disease present in your water and your fish are healthy, bad water quality will stress your fish and reduce their imune systems possibly leading to disease. Disease however can be introduced at any time with plants or new fish and fish which are otherwise healthy may not be able to cope with it for one reason or another, age/condition etc.

Gouramis and Cichlids, the vast majority are tail nippers and a lot will eat smaller fish, having said that I did have both which lived with smaller fish but they were bought at a very small size.

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   Old Thread  #26 15 Jan 2019 at 11.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like i said there are different ways of doing it no one being particulary right or wrong. Dont want to argue about it but i spent 23 years in aquatic retail in a very busy shop, i have helped literally thousands of customers with aquariums and a fishless cycle is ball ache basically. How do you know how much bacteria is in the filter? The amount of bacteria will dictate on the number of fish. Bacteria will die if it doesnt have food. You could do the same thing to 10 tanks and get 10 different results. Fishless cycling with the addition of plants does tend to see prolonged nitrite issues so keep an eye on that. Dont use the dip test strips they arent accurate enough.
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   Old Thread  #25 15 Jan 2019 at 10.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yup they can be
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   Old Thread  #24 15 Jan 2019 at 8.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Americans can be too mate. I've got a few and they can be rather lairy to say the least.. Some little dwarf ones wouldn't be a bad shout in a community tank
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   Old Thread  #23 15 Jan 2019 at 8.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Then you can step it up to gouramis and some of the american cichlids but stay away from the african cichlids as they are a little tetsy to say the least
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   Old Thread  #22 15 Jan 2019 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Thanks Andy

Iíll try and take some photoís through my process of setting it all up and post on here for anyone else who may be interested in doing their own aquarium project 👍
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   Old Thread  #21 15 Jan 2019 at 8.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi

Thank you for your decision of going down the fishless cycle route. Once it's cycled and you do a water change start introducing fish straight away else the bacteria can die as it has no food.
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   Old Thread  #20 15 Jan 2019 at 7.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Will do Ian thanks
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   Old Thread  #19 15 Jan 2019 at 7.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes mate don't leave the lights on permanently. I've got my lights on timer plugs. If you are using real plants then you do need to take a little care what fish you put in. As it's your first tank stick to the basics, placid community stuff like mollies, platys, Corydoras that sort of thing
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   Old Thread  #18 15 Jan 2019 at 6.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just dont get oscars if you have plants lol
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   Old Thread  #17 15 Jan 2019 at 6.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Thanks for the replies guys

Iím going to be setting up a tropical fish tank so intend to grow live plants in it.

I will go down the fishless cycle route simply because it will be easier at this moment for me to go down this route as I would like to establish the plants first.i have plenty on time to do it this way.

Iíve read on loads of forums and videos and either way is good just personal preference really,what a couple of people have said is that they turn off the aquarium lights before they go to bed and turn them back on in the morning.

Has anyone else done this ? It sounds logical to me personally as it would get dark in their native environment.
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   Old Thread  #16 15 Jan 2019 at 4.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So contradicting stories from popular sites? Who'd have thought it eh😂. Thing is it's the advice I was given by a friend within the trade, with absolutely no vested interest in selling me anything at all.....
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   Old Thread  #15 15 Jan 2019 at 4.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Here's a quote from a popular fish site -

Yep, fish-in cycling is very stressful for your fish. And, many fish wonít survive the process. Those that do are often more susceptible to disease and live shorter lives.

I assume you want to keep your pet fish alive as long as possible, right? Well, a fish-in cycle is a terrible way to start.

So, why is a fish-in cycle so harmful to fish?

Well, during the cycling process you are waiting for beneficial bacteria to establish a colony in your aquarium. And once they do, they will be able to eat ammonia and nitrites as quickly as they are produced.

Just one problemÖ

While you are waiting for the bacteria to grow in numbers, your fish are going to be exposed to elevated levels of ammonia and nitrites. Even at low levels, these toxic substances can stress and severely irritate your fish.

To be honest, given that you can now cycle your aquarium without fish, itís puzzling to see the dated fish-in cycle still being recommended.

So, why do people continue to give the advice that itís okay to cycle your aquarium with fish in it?

I was chatting with my local, big-box pet store the other day, and the employee was preaching the wonders of fish-in cycling. I would also like to point out that he was trying to convince me to buy fish to go with my new aquarium.

The reason was pretty clearÖ An extra sale. A pretty scummy move, right?

But in other cases, the advice to cycle with fish is much less sinister.

You see, fish-in cycling is how your grandparents would have cycled their tank. Yep, this method has been in use for that long. In fact, this was the only way to cycle a tank back then.
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   Old Thread  #14 15 Jan 2019 at 4.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I've just taken this from a popular fish keeping site Andy....

Actually, cycling your new fish tank with fish is the fastest, easiest, safest, most reliable, and most humane way to cycle the tank. Cycling your aquarium is only risky to your fish if you cycle with too many fish or don't keep up with the necessary extra water changes while the fish tank is cycling. On the other hand, cycling without fish, also known as fishless cycling has many risks and is complicated and expensive. In fact, if you do a fishless cycle you are more likely to then add fish to an uncycled tank, and find yourself unknowingly cycling the tank with too many fish and without enough water changes.
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   Old Thread  #13 15 Jan 2019 at 4.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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More nonsense... Fish in cycling is fine, its not just large chain stores that say its fine either. And anyone with half a braincell wouldn't go to one of those places for advice anyway. I've cycled a few tanks fish in and never once had any issues whatsoever. It's about selecting the correct species, and introducing them slowly, and in the correct way
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