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   Old Thread  #41 9 Jan 2019 at 2.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not in the the state of Washington, unless they are for commercial harvest. I did commercial fish for them back in the late 70’s and early 80’s albeit in the state of Oregon. For personal consumption they may be trapped, caught by hand, even speared I think. There is a daily limit and as I recall there are one or two
“Non-Native Species” that must not be released.
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   Old Thread  #40 9 Jan 2019 at 2.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I may have said this already but Carp were distributed here quite purposefully by the federal government as a food source for a growing population circa 1860.
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   Old Thread  #39 9 Jan 2019 at 2.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ip100,
“Ilegal it may be, but do you really care?”
I’m a Thoreauvian, beyond that I plead the Fifth.
That said, the actual statutes are pretty vague if you ask me. A publication of “regulations” is available to the general angler/licensee which does interpret the “laws” with regard to specific species, areas, and catch limits. Many however, are published as a “regulation” and/or use the language “...shall” and/or “...shall not” in reference to end tackle, bait, etc.
Here is an example:
A fishing license is not required to catch carp in Washington. Licensee’s may purchase a “Two Pole Endorsement” and exercise that endorsement unless a body of water prohibits the use of two poles. A question I have submitted to WDFW is, “May I use more than one pole when fishing for carp?” An endorsement is not a license. I have yet to receive an answer but I know of one fisherman who asked that question to an enforcement officer. The officer said a license and endorsement would be needed.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife here has a lot of leeway for enforcement. If an officer issues a citation you will be subject to any or all of the following: seizure of equipment, fines, and license(s) in the future, by the Agency. Judicial intervention would only happen with rare circumstances and major criminal violations. Eg. Unlicensed Commercial Harvest
I don’t know about the U.K. but in The U.S. you can literally get away with murder if you can afford good defense lawyer(s). Eg. OJ Simpson
I digress. Who’s going to bother with lawyer fees in a fishing violation.
There is some legislation underway concerning some outdated or ambiguous language but that process is a low priority to the state and doesn’t move quickly. I used my interpretation of the Regulations pertaining to carp as an example. They are anything but an endangered species here and loosely regulated as “Forage Fish”. Salmon, trout, and steelhead are a completely different story. They are strictly regulated and enforced as “Game Fish”.
I’ve never heard of anyone poaching or distributing carp illegally and I doubt if the unlawful transportation or distribution of common carp would be enforced unless a vigilant property owner reported and filed a complaint. Property owners and their respective organizations have a considerable influence in prosecution.
I’ve dragged this on far more than intended.
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   Old Thread  #38 8 Jan 2019 at 11.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Touché Johnny!

I agree, it’s a good tactic. For the near future I would just like to learn how to catch them.
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   Old Thread  #37 8 Jan 2019 at 7.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"It wasn't by legal, recorded stockings..."

No, it was a bunch of dodgy monks

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   Old Thread  #36 8 Jan 2019 at 5.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But we aren't talking about otters are we? That's a rediculous thing to say! How do you think carp started getting about in the UK all those years ago? It wasn't by legal, recorded stockings...
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   Old Thread  #35 8 Jan 2019 at 0.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Illegal it may be, but do you really care? The chances of getting caught are slim, the benefits could be great, and many people wouldn't have a clue what you were doing anyway.

what a ridiculous thing to say.

imagine if you read that on a forum if someone was asking about reintroducing otters to an unaffected area of the uk.

not to mention the risk of the disease spreading. illegal stocking / movement of fish is a massive risk (in the UK as well as north america) - and that's coming from someone who pedalled all around my local area as a kid with a carp or two wrapped up in a wet sack in my rucksack.
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   Old Thread  #34 7 Jan 2019 at 10.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They were encouraging it round my way a few years back, was seeing a lot of traps in the river mole at one stage. People taking them for the table, the trapping licence is/was free.
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   Old Thread  #33 7 Jan 2019 at 4.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You do to trap them, but you don't need traps to catch them
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   Old Thread  #32 7 Jan 2019 at 3.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry it's off topic but i thought you needed a licence to trap crayfish.?
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   Old Thread  #31 7 Jan 2019 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Illegal it may be, but do you really care? The chances of getting caught are slim, the benefits could be great, and many people wouldn't have a clue what you were doing anyway. We have laws regarding signal crayfish here, they must be removed and destroyed but I know that doesn't happen much, and I've never heard of anyone being fined for returning them.
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   Old Thread  #30 7 Jan 2019 at 10.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Bill

"Your suggestion to kickstart the sport is illegal"

Yes it is in Washington, but you are posting under a title tread of "US carping" and there are other states where Paulie's suggestion is legal and would actually expand the sport in the US. Even though the thought process lends itself to an "underground" style movement, it actually makes sense

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   Old Thread  #29 7 Jan 2019 at 0.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I hear you loud and clear my English friend it’s on the minds of many Carp fishermen here but for the present, your suggestion to kickstart the sport is illegal. See the link below and my replies below. It is true that carp hold enormous potential here for the sport-fishing industry. To put that in perspective here are some loose figures presented by various sources. The sport fishing industry in the U.S. generates over $100 billion a year. Half or more of that figure comes from the bass fishing industry. It is HUGE here and surpasses revenue from the NFL, NBA, and MLB by a wide margin. I don’t mean to say that as a deterrent but realistically there are huge obstacles. Not the least of these is a recreational fishing industry that has its hooks into deep pockets of infrastructure and a stable customer base. It makes little sense for them to support or grease the skids for a species requiring little more than hook, weight, or peanuts to yield huge results. Secondly, the collective WE don’t want anything to do with carp. We don’t want to fish for them, eat them... we don’t want them here at all. They are considered a nuisance by property owners and the local officials transparently concur. That is on the verge of change with a select few, self included. Once interest has built to a significant degree that is sure to change. Walking into a fishing store like the ones you have in England is overwhelming. I’d love some revenue figures for carping in the U.K. Companies like Korda coming over to sponsor a few derbies would be huge game changers but it’s going to take a large investment and patience in my opinion. Has McDonalds put a huge dent in your fondness for fish and chips? How many Starbucks are in England? Do the majority still drink tea? Just saying...
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   Old Thread  #28 6 Jan 2019 at 6.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
To clarify, MY catch, keep, release practice is NOT outside the law. I DO NOT catch and kill any species I don’t intend to eat. I have caught a total of three carp my life. They were all eaten. Their carcass and entrails used as bait for crayfish. I make no apologies for eating my catch. I prefer to eat smaller fish(6-12 lbs). Any fish over 12-15 lbs is going to be released. If Im successful this season and the freezer is full... as I currently interpret the States Regulations, I should stop fishing for them. The State is not likely to post a directive to kill fish but there is some ambiguity in the language and loose interpretation. Washington State’s Declaration of Invasive Species is misleading to say the very least. Historical documents implicate the federal government in the intententional release of common carp throughout the Nation in the early to mid 1800’s. The intention was to provide a stable food source for a growing nation as I understand.
Common Carp are prolific throughout the state and the Nation. Some claim there isn’t a body of freshwater in the state without them. I live between Portland Oregon and Vancouver, Washington right next to the Columbia River. Ukrainian immigrants here have been issued commercial harvest permits for Lake Vancouver.
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   Old Thread  #27 6 Jan 2019 at 5.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good to know.... thanks
I’ll get some 6’s and 4’s
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