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In reply to Post #141
I really rate Tech wash & TX Direct myself Goose, it’s what Paramo recommend and it definitely works on Goretex too but I’m sure they all do a good job if the prior due diligence is given ie boil washing your machine prior and completely cleaning the detergent tray absolutely thoroughly 👍
*Edit yes never use phosphate based detergents as they adhere to the fabric much like dirt and cause membrane derived waterproof fabrics to wet out and like you point out lift taped seems
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In reply to Post #140
True and never use standard detergent as it causes the tape on the seams to come apart. Storm is the best stuff to use, it's a two part process, one is a wash suitable and approved by gore-tex and the other is a dwr coating. Use this one my motorbike gore-tex gear and rate it highly.
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In reply to Post #128
Most people that say ex army jackets leak or wet through probably haven’t cleaned with pure soap flakes, it works exceptionally well OG, it’s minute dirt particles that trap between the gore fibres that allow capillary action leading to wetting out!
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In reply to Post #100
Just bought a Desert Tennier one for £70 incl postage, should get it this week looks in great nick
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Does anyone have opinions or comments on the new MTP waterproof jackets?
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In reply to Post #131
Yeah same as me, total rubbish would have stayed drier not wearing it a all
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In reply to Post #135
I’m sure I will see you wearing the jacket behind the big one you are after, very soon mate 👍
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In reply to Post #134
It had better be 
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In reply to Post #133
Lovely Jacket Mark. Is it waterproof 
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My ECWS Gen 3 turned up from the US today. Worked out about £170 total with import fees and taxes from fleabay. I know from previous through someone else, that buying them direct from Tennier Industries works out at over £500... Looks the mutts nuts. I'd guess it's about half of the weight of my Gen 2 where it is just a pure gore-tex shell.
View post on imgur.com
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In reply to Post #131
Thanks for that 👍
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In reply to Post #130
Had a Helikon one. Utter rubbish, leaked like a sieve. The Miltec one is very good though.
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In reply to Post #129
Just out of curiosity has anyone got the Helikon version and if so is it any good , thanks ?
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In reply to Post #128
Cheers OG  I know you have a weakness for Flecktarn...  Tried the enclosed performance wash initially..if its no good I'll give your suggestion a go
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In reply to Post #127
most important thing IMO is wash it first with pure soap (wilko sells it)
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My Flecktarn has decided to start wetting thru after many years of use. Looking for re proofing agents, I noticed Screwfix of all places are selling Grangers 3 part clothing care kits.. 300ml of performance wash, 275 ml trigger gun of repel plus along with 100ml of axtive turbo wash. All for £7.99. At this price its worth a go!
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In reply to Post #117
Yes that’s real mate. It’s a generation 2 as Chuffy said. I’ve just ordered myself a Generation 3 from the US. My Gen 2 has given me 6 years of great use now…. The Gen2 will still get used for piking. My friend came down the pit to see me last week and had just imported a Gen3. It looked very good so time to treat myself. The Gen3 has no cotton liner, it’s just a pure shell and lighter.
An easy way to check if they are real is to check the webbing tape behind the liner. It should be stamped ‘gore-seam’ on the tape itself.
That Tennier you have there for that money is a major result. Great jacket.
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In reply to Post #124
Yes,exactly,a much better description of what I'm trying to say..
But ,lol,there's always a but...,anyway I bought a brand spanking new Mtp jacket it had pockets,looked nice etc,and was waterproof,after a lot of use,say nearly a year ,it started to take on ,darken and hold water,which made the coat heavy,and not that nice to use .
So using my military contacts,I asked a few lads and what they came up was tumble dry it...I tried that,I made it not much better,then I did what scozza does and re proofed it,,like I've done on all my army gear...so ,was out on my Ferguson,it rained,it leaked...I binned the bugger and bought the Highlander on recommendation from a member on here,think it was 39 quid...
I really like ex army stuff,I got a few bits,tarps,dom trousers,all good solid kit..
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If the DWR is old/ faded the face fabric will/ can ' wet out ' and absorb water instead of the water beading off. apparentley the DWR can be re-activated
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In reply to Post #121
Thing that threw mate mate is when you say weight, vkrtually noting to hold water, it's just a shell
Spray mine now and again with Fabisil. Not problems for me
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My army surplas DPM gortex leaked as well. No matter what i did i couldd never make it waterproof, it just got wet and soaked through the fabric. I always assumed thats why it was surplass.
Ive recently bought some DPM Fort workwear waterproofs, from mole valley. And rate them very highly.
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In reply to Post #120
I'm into layering scozza,so yes all my previous and current dpm and mtp are single shell ,no lining at all...all genuine ex army ,new or grade one as well...mine come from Bunker,Wadebridge and Moorgoods ,on Bodmin Moor all ,surplus suppliers..
I've had lots of them,I do another outside pursuit other than my angling and they get proper,proper used..all,even the new ones,and those without pockets have all leaked,and hold water, the only one that hasn't thus far is the Highlander dpm copy ,I'd recommend that one..
The only jacket I've had,with a lining is the jack Pyke,I've just sold on here,nice jacket,but with what I get up to ,I'd trash it easily..it was too nice to damage really..
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In reply to Post #119
Your right,I have had multiple army dpm,and mtp jackets ,new and grade one, they all leaked,got very heavy when wet,..
I take it you are buying jackets with a lining Adam?
Army gortex is just a shell, no lining, nothing, they don’t get heavy even when knackered, just leak through any holes or damage that they have
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In reply to Post #4
Your right,I have had multiple army dpm,and mtp jackets ,new and grade one, they all leaked,got very heavy when wet,..
Even fabsil was a short term affair..
Bought the Highlander,in dpm,great buy...doesn't leak ,and take on water..
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In reply to Post #117
I’m no expert but that definitely looks genuine and as far as I know the 2nd Generation parkas had the addition of the armpit zips to combat condensation.
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In reply to Post #116
Hi guys, bit of a blast from the past this but I just bought a tennier industires parka.
Could anyone with a bit more experience tell me if it’s a mk1 or 2 version and if they think it’s genuine?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313454974362?hash=item48fb5f559a:g:HeIAAOSwOJhgTpAP#vi__app-cvip-panel
At 36 delivered I decided to take the chance, doing a lot of trolling for pike recently and I’m sick of getting wet!
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In reply to Post #115
That's the one Chuffy. Result for that money!
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In reply to Post #114
Finally, managed to get a 'minter' ECWCS Parka from Ebay while in the USA, worked out about £65, looks like it's never been worn. It's Tennessee Apparel instead of Tennier Industries but a bit of research reveals they were made to the exact same spec, they had to be. Going to have to keep my old one for warmer months as this one is quite heavy duty (and lined) compared to the British army one I have
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In reply to Post #102
do they get much rain in the desert then ?
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In reply to Post #110
lol... you know what, the desert camo is actually pretty cool. Looks much better in reality than photos.
My trousers are woodland camo, so I’m starting off a new trend. I will pick up another one in woodland camo when I see one at the right price in my size. Medium short are not so easy to find.
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In reply to Post #43
You mean you actually fooled some folk 'Paulie"
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In reply to Post #109
Just think, a bit more effort and you could have found a DPM one instead of desert camo 
only kidding
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In reply to Post #108
Very good, and well worth the effort to find a new or very lightly used one.
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In reply to Post #104
Good aren't they Gary.
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In reply to Post #105
I don't know if this is any use?
Hoggs Strathmoor jacket link
I use on in winter for both carp and pike fishing, along with the matching trousers.
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In reply to Post #105
I had good service from these people. It fits over my Sasquatch.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292485839285.
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In reply to Post #104
Evening gents I’m in the market for a new waterproof jacket to wear I’ve the top of a snugpak sj9 has anyone got a link to source some of the below recommendations?
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After using my Tennier ecwcs gen1, I’d recommend it to anyone.
You won’t find a better constructed jacket.
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In reply to Post #1
Retape the seams if it is a Gore-Tex or like material & then wash it in NikWax Tech-Wash to reproof it. You can get iron on seam tape from most good outdoor or camping shops, same with the NikWax. This is how I reproof all my Gore-Tex or similar jackets if they start leaking. Much cheaper than going out & buying a brand new Gore-Tex jacket that's for sure! Think I paid £25 delivered for my last Soldier95 patterned DPM Gore-Tex jacket (no pockets & roll away hood) off of eBay, £6 or so for the NikWax Tech-Wash & the tapes didn't need replacing, just reironing down again so the wife done that in 20 minutes. As long as it is kept clean & has the mesh or other membrane lining (required on ALL such materials to stop water wicking through the pores in the breathable material), you will be dry.
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In reply to Post #101
Desert camo is actually not bad.
Very impressive jacket brand new, still had the tags on it.
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In reply to Post #100
You know it makes sense Gary
Desert camo.... Ohhhhhhhh well
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Couldn’t resist, just picked up a brand new Tennier gen1 jacket.
Only down side, but it’s minor really is it’s desert camo and not woodland.
I’m not too worried about that, (I’m sure the carp won’t mind lol) more concerned about keeping warm and dry.
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In reply to Post #97
Get a photo of an ultra cool young thing, sitting cross legged, on a really low bedchair. If he has tattoos and a beard, winner winner, steak for dinner.
This jacket could break all records, sell for £10k.
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In reply to Post #97
Just call it a carp fishing jacket and double your money. I’m sure some millennial will buy it
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In reply to Post #95
Might put it on with subsurface vol1 in one pocket, TA long baiting needle and trakker water bottle in the other.. buy it now, a grand 
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In reply to Post #95
I’m going over in May, I’d better bring a few back
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In reply to Post #94
One in the UK (lying about being the real deal) as Gary pointed out, well spotted Gary.
Noj, there is currently no Tennier Industries ECWCS mk1 available on fleabay in the UK. If you have a mint one... It will sell really well.
Put it on at a starting bid of £100- £150, watch the bids fly in. Every time I see some cool young thing recently, they all have one of these jackets on. Word has spread. None on fleabay UK tells a story to. When I bought mine, they had tonnes on there from same seller. Listed as Grade 1 second hand. Mine still had the issue tags on, and had never been worn.
If yours is mint, it will go for very good money.
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Mine is literally as new.. can’t remember the size but might start an optimistic buy it now ad on the bay
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In reply to Post #91
Having had one for six years... If I ever need one, I will happily pay full US RRP, and all the import taxes if I can't get one in as new condition. And get a new one shipped over. That will probably cost me a fortune, don't care, worth every penny and more.
I'd happily pay £150 for a mint second hand one in my exact size. Worth every penny.
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In reply to Post #91
Depends where you are. If you shop in the states, you can pick up a mint one from 50-100 bucks. There’s an abundance of them there. You’ll likely pay more or the same for a tatty one in the UK. Sometimes bargains come up. The gen1 are getting old now, but a very good jacket for fishing or outdoors stuff.
You know they’re good when everyone tries to copy them.
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How much is a mint genuine issue ecwcs worth then?
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In reply to Post #89
Yeah, he doesn’t know what he’s selling mate... the label in the photo’s says Tennessee Apparel.
They are the same though anyway.
Like you say, better to go with a minter from the states, there’s plenty of them over there, especially in the large size.
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In reply to Post #88
100% GENUINE US ARMY / SOF sf / SOCOM / US NAVY SEAL TEAM DEVGRU NSW UDT ISSUE WITH ISSUE LABEL inside and nsn number on it . made in usa by TENNIER INDUSTRIES
GENUINE ISSUE DO NOT CONFUSE THIS WITH THE RUBBISH COPYS ! 10000% GENUINE ISSUE AND MADE FROM GORETEX A LOT OF THE ISSUE ONES HAVE IT PRINTED ON INSIDE TENNIER ONES DO NOT BUT IT IS REAL GORETEX AND REAL ISSUE ONE !
"THIS IS THE BEST WINTER OUTDOOR JACKET FOR MILITARY USE ANY WERE , ALL THE SAME FEATURES AS A TOP OF THE RANGE MOUNTAIN JACKET ... 2 WAY FRONT ZIP DOUBLE STORM FLAP , INNER DROP LINER WITH INNER SNOW SKIRT , UNDER ARM VENT ZIPS . SLEEVE POCKET , 2 LARGE HAND POCKETS , 2 VELCRO HIDDEN FULL SIZE CHEST POCKETS , RENFORCED ELBOWS , FRONT RANK TAB , LARGE HOOD BIG ENUF TO GO OVER HELMET !
WORN BY US ARMY IN MOUNTAIN & ARCTIC CONDITION'S ..... IDEAL AS MOUNTENEERING JACKET OR ANY OUT DOOR WEAT WEATHER USE ...
CONDITION = IT HAS USE N WEAR AS IN THE 12 PICTURES , THE VELCRO ON POCKET FLAPS IS WORN N PULLED AWAY AT EDGE BUT STILL OOK N GOT STUD BACK UP , THERE IS SOME BUBBLES TO THE GORETEX IN PLACES OVER THE PARKA , ONE SMALL CM SIZE REPAIR ON LOWER BACK AS IN PICTURE 11 ITS BEN GORE SEAM SEALED INSIDE SO FINE NOW AND WILL NOT LET WATER IN . STILL A GOOD PARKA AS IN PICTURES
SIZE = LARGE LONG = LABEL SAYS TO FIT 41" - 45" CHEST ( BUT THEY ARE MADE BIGGER TO GO OVER UNIFORM IN COLD WEATHER ) HEIGHT O 71" TALL PERSON AND TALLER . BUT THEY ARE MADE ON THE LARGER SIZE TO GO OVER A UNIFORM AND WARM KIT PLEASE GO OFF THE MEASUREMENTS
( MEASURES - 26.5 " ARM PIT TO PIT / SLEEVE IS 28" FROM ARM PIT TO CUFF END / 31" BASE OF COLLAR TO HEM )"
That's the description of that link mate. He says it's a Tennier. I got mine brand spanking new from a UK seller for £80. It had never been worn. Them days are long gone now. You will get one from the states though as you say in perfect nick.
So I totally agree about US Ebay. I'd pay the high postage for a mint nick one if I needed one, they sort the customs payment to. Everyone might not have the money like us though. If I only had £50 to spend, I'd buy that jacket hands down. It's so much better than anything else for £50.
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In reply to Post #87
Paulie, That one you’ve linked is made by Tennessee Apparel, but yes the same as the Tennier.
I recommend people check out eBay in the US, I bought one in almost new condition for 50dollars.
Yes, there’s a shipping fee, but there’s many more to choose from and a lot of new old stock, or barely used ones.
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In reply to Post #86
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-USarmy-ECWCS-USA-woodland-CAMO-gore-tex-goretex-PARKA-COAT-JACKET-L-L/283226164887?hash=item41f1984e97:g:uTAAAOSwc1ZbwJNv:rk:1:pf:0#viTabs_0
No, not really. I've had French, Dutch, and German army Gor-Tex, as well as British. None of them are as good in my opinion.
There's an ECWCS Tennier industries jacket on that link. It looks in okay nick. It's a Large/long. It says it has a proper repair to one seam inside.
If I was looking for a waterproof jacket, and that size fitted me... I'd make them an offer for that one, probably get it for 45 notes. It's the only UK one on there right now. Loads in the US, some look in excellent nick, but expensive postage. Wash it in plain water, in the machine, it will be as good as new. They last forever.
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Are the French Army cce any good?
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Also just picked up a NOS Tennier ecwcs gen1 bear jacket (fleece).
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In reply to Post #83
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In reply to Post #79
No that was the customer mate. He was spending a lot of money, so he could do what he wanted basically 
I still have no clue why the others were all using the photo. Or even where they got it from. Oh well. As I said, the internet, and fishing, can be quite strange places sometimes.
I'm sure they will be wicked Gary, better than Chuffy's anyway
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I just bought ecwcs gen1 trousers and jacket. Couldn’t find Tennier in my size (medium short) so went for Tennessee apparel corp, which I hear are also very good, and are made to the exact same spec with same materials are Tenniers gear.
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In reply to Post #75
No probs Chuffy happy to help
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In reply to Post #75
Cool, mine should be here Monday.
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In reply to Post #78
Didn't someone post on your FB work page, and their profile pic was one of yours.....?
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In reply to Post #74
If it's who I think it is (I'm probably wrong), he turned up on my works business page on social media, just after I joined this forum and someone had guessed who I was. I had to delete his comment, he was trying to advertise his own thing you see.
I supposed that it's like dogs a bit, I came to 'his territory' as he saw it, and wee'd on a lamppost. So I suppose he needed to do the same. Thing is, I've made hundreds of posts on his lamppost, not mentioned anything like 'that' about my thing. He made one post on my lamppost, and had to mention his thing. (to get a bit of free advertising).
Ah well, as the kids say... Bothered.
I have another funny story for you. There's a bloke, who used to terrorise forums (this one included I'd bet). He bought some stuff from me years ago, and like a few others, tried to do the same himself, set up a little business. It did not work out for him, so now... He follows me around when I post on social media to do with work. He's always got a funny little quip or comment. Never met the bloke, but he's fixated on me obviously. Fishing is a funny old game, and it attracts all sorts. So does the internet.
Three years ago, there was six different users on Facebook using one of my fishing photographs as a profile photo. Four were English, two were European based blokes. One was a customer of mine it turned out, so i put that down to he must of liked me or something. I have zero clue why the other five had my photo as their profile picture, none at all. Why would you? SSV1 is my only guess, it was mainly a photo from that. But I'm clueless really.
I hope the jacket works out for you Chuffy.
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had a mk1 ECWS like mark and as he said, they're great. mine is about 12 years old now and has started leaking this year so I need to give it a treatment and stick it in the tumble dryer again.
one of my friends has a set of the canadian breathtex digital waterproof gear and it looks superb. the closest I have seen to the mk 1's .
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tcpcrewontour is still about and catching them everywhere he goes.
he has an excellent account on instagram which is worth a follow.
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In reply to Post #67
Well the Large has turned up and it’s perfect 👌
Thanks sunnymead and dickweed for the recommendation
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In reply to Post #68
I think I know who you are on about...
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In reply to Post #71
Thanks mate. The name Mark Casper actually came about because of something in that last post in fact. The bait firm I was using back then wanted some exposure. I'd just caught a lot from Sutton in double quick time. So that was deemed perfect by them. I was asked if they could put the photos in Carp-Talk. I'd never done that sort of thing really, so said he could, but he had to use a different name. My dogs name was picked, as random as you like. Fast forwards to the RMC forum and TCarper. As soon as a photo was seen of me, I was Mark Casper. I never said it to anyone, but everyone assumed obviously that it was my real name. I was winning a lot of money online at the same time, and having accounts shut left right and centre. So Mark Casper stuck. I've been on the front cover of Carpworld, and in Subsurface as Mark Casper. People (anglers) call me Casper all the time. It was my dogs name, my then eight year old son picked it, as he loved the film Casper the friendly ghost. I loved the dog more than anything, hated the name when he picked it. How bloody ironic!
Imagine walking around a supermarket with a woman, who only knows you by your real name ovbiously. When a carper recognises you from where or whatever, and actually spits out the name "Mark Casper". What happens is, said woman is convinced that you are in fact, a massive liar, and leading a double life where you're married to someone else. It's not good anyway. You have to start showing them carp magazines with you in under that name, and explaining things double quickly.
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In reply to Post #71
Yes, an excellent poster. The likes of whom I have not read for a while....at least since the rmc days!
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In reply to Post #70
Keep posting Mark. You have an alternative view of most things, which is damn refreshing.
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In reply to Post #60
Thank you. TCP was nothing to do with me though. I think I know who that was though. TCarper was the first time I ventured onto the internet. I was a late starter (2005 or 6 I think), and was always to busy as a plasterer before that. I had an enforced year at home. Hence TCarper was born. No internet for me before then, and TCP was about long before that. Just two letters the same... And we both fished Sutton at different times. Not me though
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In reply to Post #63
It was the gambling that gave it away for me don't know any other anglers that are successful gamblers 
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In reply to Post #66
likes the sound of his own keyboard????
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In reply to Post #65
I bought medium as well. To be fair as an everyday jacket it was probably fine but like you, my.movement was restricted when I put it over my Sleeka. I will swap for a large
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In reply to Post #63
By distinctive style do you mean long and rambling?
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In reply to Post #64
Same here, they seem to be cut more to ‘proper’ size than the army ones and definitely shorter in the body. I got a Medium which fitted me fine if I didn’t put anything bulky underneath it. I tried it over my SJ9 and immediately noticed it was also a bit short in the arms and too tight, sent it back and exchanged it for a Large, see what that’s like when it turns up, looked like very good quality though
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Dont know if the thread is too far off track now but I bought a Highlander Tempest based on the earlier posts and it came yesterday, looks great but seems a bit short in the body, long enough in the arms though. Will send it back for a larger size
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In reply to Post #58
The best thing about the whole'Mark-Not Mark' thing is he posts on here for the first time in 12 years under another name and secret-agent spots him straight away, very apt
Probably wouldn't remember after 12 years! As Sir B said below, there was a private forum a few years ago that a few of us were members of, sadly closed now. Paulie J let slip quite early on here who he was. People find it hard to hide the way they post. There is a banned member with a distinct style posting regularly on here as well, surprised he hasn't been rumbled yet???
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In reply to Post #61
Seem like only yesterday
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In reply to Post #60
TC and Jazz hands.... The good 'ol days.....
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In reply to Post #59
Wasn't an even early one something like TCP Crew on the old Cemex Forum? Always a good read Mark, garlic hemp, coked tigers and washing lines....
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In reply to Post #58
Secret-agent obviously knows his onions. There were others via PM
I was also addressed as TCarper, for the first time in donkeys years
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In reply to Post #57
Obviously led a sheltered life
The best thing about the whole'Mark-Not Mark' thing is he posts on here for the first time in 12 years under another name and secret-agent spots him straight away, very apt
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In reply to Post #56
One of the funniest actors going Chuffy. I love him. How did you not know that!
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In reply to Post #54
I'm still in shock since my wife pointed out to me some time ago that 'Marky Mark' is actually Mark Wahlberg, never knew that, but then why would I
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In reply to Post #51
Mark Casper, Ken. SSV1 said so, and CW to. It's only a name. It's only fishing. You ovbiously read what i wrote on another post mate.
This is Casper below (the friendly ghost), unfortunately he died a couple of years ago, but he was my best fishing buddy for thirteen years.
Getting money on a horse means far more to me, than being a little bit 'famous' for fishing. Plus I absolutely detest my 'father', why the hell would I use the scum bags name, when as a fisherman, he would hopefully see me using my dogs name instead at some point. Perfick. I hope it made him choke personally. That's just a bonus though, it's because all of my internet activity, will be scoped. Not because I'm a criminal. Everyone who knows me in real life knows my real name, it's no secret. It just can never be linked to my internet activity, because that also involves gambling. Because I'm a bit good maybe sometimes, at relieving bookmakers of money. They have a lot of technology these days, to stop people like me. So it becomes harder and harder to get the money on. Exchanges are no good, they are to last minute.
I have zero criminal record at all. I still hold a valid UK gaming license, in my real name, can't have a record to get one of those anyway, even family counts. It's just not in my interests to use my real name online.
Casper
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In reply to Post #51
Mark=PaulieJ
I suspect it's the same Mark the gambling man who used to frequent Ukkippercaperers 
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In reply to Post #51
Mark My Words
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In reply to Post #42
Mark who... 
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In reply to Post #49
Just be sly like me Chuffy if you don't go before Summer. Amazon always have a big sale every Summer, when no one in the UK wants, or thinks about Baffin Trappers... They sell them dirt cheap in those sales all of the time on Amazon uk. I got mine for buttons. If you buy them in December when every other sod does... £130-£150.
They are easy to get hold of cheap, the Tennier ECWCS mk1 is not really though mate, not brand new.
Merrell Moab GTX hiking shoes/trainers/boots. Pick up some snazzy ones of those for Summer, if you can pick them up cheap whilst in the states. Like most of this US and Canadian stuff, their UK marked size is not the same as ours. Half or a full size up on marked UK size to what you normally wear.
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In reply to Post #48
I'm going to have a look for some Baffin Trappers as well, I should start taking orders
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In reply to Post #47
That would definitely be the one Chuffy, or should I say jetsetter.
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In reply to Post #45
Well there is that
I’ll have a look when I’m Sateside next
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In reply to Post #44
I bet you hate me a little bit. I mean, I bet you're a tiny little bit tempted to sell that jacket you just got now, aren't you? .
Sell it, send it back, get one of them US ones mate. Go lovely with sallopettes and waders
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In reply to Post #43
I love you too Mark, in a way
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In reply to Post #42
I think you'll find I never once denied who I was, I just never admitted it. It was fun for a bit, the guesses were, Ian Russell, Gary Bayes, Steve Reynard, etc, etc, and there were plenty. I denied every single one of those, but never who I actually am to those who got it right. When you own a business in fishing, everyone presumes you want to subliminal advertise. I don't. You'll never hear me mention it, ever, like you have not since I've been here. Don't need to. I'm only doing it now in any small shape or form to explain to you. I've actually given away some real gems on the bait section of this forum if they were picked up whilst having 'fun'. I'm here as a member same as you.
I love you to Chuffy anyway 
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In reply to Post #36
So why all the ‘I’m not Mark, I’m not Mark’, when you are clearly.........Mark
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In reply to Post #36
I have the exact same coat, a tennier one. Can’t fault it, shame it’s camo
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In reply to Post #38
Minter than me . I was very pleased with it mate. It's actually on a very easy ticket to get (and very busy now, empty when I fished it very briefly).
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In reply to Post #37
I was told no Gary. They both had the licence, but I've been told it's the Tennier stuff that is better, in that it lasts for ever. Six years after being told that i agree totally. I have no experience of this myself, but it's what I was told by someone who knows. It's still real Gor-Tex, and should be real Gor-Tex taped seams. But I was told to get Tennier. If I could not get a Tennier, I'd still get what you said i think.
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In reply to Post #36
No idea mate but it's mint innit 
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The tennier and Tennessee industries from the same vintage (gen 1) look identical, with the same seals.
Is there any difference between them? I don’t think there is
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In reply to Post #34
Thank you, it's an alright photo, I was pleased with it. And as I said on the post, it's the last time I ever wore a British DPM waterproof jacket.
Where's this one from Yonny? Don't say the name as is, if you know, second part of name will do. I don't fish there no more it's to busy, this is an old photo. But no need to mess it up anymore than it already is for those that do, I'll get hate mail.
I have the ECWCS jacket on in this photo, the one that you should all buy if you don't have one. Sell your wife if you have to. You all have a snugpak/fortis these days... This is what goes over the top. (I make no money from the sale of these jackets at all). I have a white tee shirt on to in this photo, you're not meant to do that. I wear white tee shirts fishing all of the time. Rebel.
Last one anyway, no more photos, I'll only post one which will get me in trouble. I'm a pike fisherman now.
View post on imgur.com
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In reply to Post #31
Yeah but once you know it, you know it.
Nice colours BTW
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In reply to Post #32
Thanks mate, Rob Hales Monument.
I'm just chuffed I managed to actually post a photo. It was actually making my brain ache. (Yes it is mate).
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In reply to Post #31
What a fish mate. Awesome.
Roach?
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In reply to Post #30
I just worked it out as you posted that mate thank you. I had to join some hosting site to do it, and then use every bit of my little brain to suss it... But I did get there, eventually, it just took a while
But thank you.
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In reply to Post #29
Edit
was going to do it for you but managed it yourself
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In reply to Post #28
Told you I'd mess it up!
Edit... Give the idiot a prize
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In reply to Post #15
I have no clue if this will work or not, I'm not all that computer savvy really, I looked at how to post a pic, but it probably will not work knowing me
This is the last photo taken of me, with a British Army gor-tex on. It's an old photo now, within a few weeks of it being taken, I had purchased a Tennier Industries woodland. The exact same jacket I still have now. I loved this jacket in the photo, it was quality. But it was quality, for only a years hard use, no more really as it started to leak. The same as any one, of the very many I had before did. Great for a year or two, then not great. If you're into buying stuff that lasts forever, get yourself a Tennier US Woodland parka. The MK1 ECWCS. It's an incredible jacket at whatever price. Ten times the jacket I'm wearing in this photo (if it worked). I never buy anything that I'm impressed with as much as I am about one of these jackets for fishing. If they had a fishing name on, they would be £1000. They are made for the US military, you know them crazy mofos who like to have the very best of everything 'war'. Well they got it damn right with that jacket I think. There are so many copies (like the one in this photo), none are anywhere near the real ECWCS.
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In reply to Post #26
They come in different fits mate I'm pretty certain, mine is a standard fit, I'm a short arse. If you get a long fit, they have longer arms and body in the same size. I personally am an expert at buying things online, and finding out mine does not fit me. Then forgetting to send it back most times. I have a cupboard full of the stuff, and a drawer full of unused returns forms. Internet retailers must love people like me. Get another one from him at that sort of price, go for a long fit.
Good jackets are't they. I have tons of old photos, with a British DPM jacket on. I'm the most patriotic person, I love my country. But the US army get better quality gear in my opinion. The jacket I have now, it's as good as new. I'd have needed three Euro versions in the same time. I 'might' never need to buy another waterproof jacket for fishing again, unless I grow out of it
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In reply to Post #15
I got my tennier ecwcs (gor-tex stamped on the seems) for £40. Issued but unused. There's a chap near me who works on one of the American bases and can get his hands on most stuff. He's got a loft full of it. My only complaint is that the sleeves are a bit short when it's worn over a softie.
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What’s the sizing like with the Gen1 Tennier gear?
Ive seen a set in small and if the fit is generous, could work for me
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In reply to Post #21
Thanks for that Rob. I'm probably not the best at explaining myself. I know the person who bought one from the states got stung right up by the import duty he said. After having one for six years, I'd definitely pay full whack for one I think if they are still available new.
For winter carp fishing, that jacket is the mutts nuts. I never wear the trousers in reality, but purchased them second hand, in as new condition for £75 from fleabay. Probably a bit expensive second hand, but they were mint, and my exact size.
I only need a Sleeka under that jacket, in the very coldest weather.
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Got a virtually unused/unworn Tennier Desert pattern ECWS coat with snow skirt a couple of years ago off the Bay for @£80...Fantastic bit of kit on its own..paired with a heavy fleece jacket it really is the mutts dangly bits Incredibly warm and draught /water proof. Also have some British DPM gore trousers.Again very good.Mine have drawcord waist/velcro fly and zip up half legs.No leaking seams and they have had some serious wear,traipsing thru brambles etc when luring on the rivers etc.The Dutch gore trousers are very similar but a slightly diffrent /darker DPM pattern and they roll up into their own pocket for storage .
Regards Andy
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Forces uniforms and kit .co.uk do some dpm jackets very similar to British army.
However if u read the small print they r not Gore-Tex despite the main pic showing the official vortex label.
Bit misleading if u ask me.
They r brand new and not official army stock.
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In reply to Post #20
Ok, I see the confusion.
Your Gen 1 is still available. It is issued to non combat units. It is on the list as $302. The newer models are cheaper as they have been "de-cluttered" to suit operational requirements. You don't need pockets in combat
Over time, designs change and the latest Gen 3 is a light weight packable item, more suited to combat operation than the Gen 1 which is to "fussy".
The British Army have a Gen 1 version that actually came out recently! We do things the other way round, starting with what is required in combat, and then up design to suit more static roles
Ours have all the pockets and liners etc but is only issued for routine wear, not combat. So, drivers, guards, use around camp on the ranges etc. You will recognise it as it has a black liner.
Anyway, you have a good bit of kit and you paid a fair price. Sorry we were at cross purposes.
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In reply to Post #19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWmTgud0DY
I can't do links Rob. But if you watch this video, it compares a Tennier Industries Gen 1 (my exact jacket), with a Tennier Industries Gen 3, side by side. You can clearly see that the Gor-Tex is much thicker on my jacket mate. The bloke shows it. (I nearly cried when he said he paid $5). The newer versions do not have the Gor-Tex stamped sealed tapes either. And that's a Tennier Industries jacket too. The newer ones do not look as good as my older one I have to my eye. And in actual use, my one is different gravy, over many years hard use.
That's why they are sort after mate I'd say. I'll get another in an instant. If you see one of them exact jackets made by Tennier Industries for £150 brand new in this country, please tell me, I'll buy two.
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In reply to Post #18
That's a different jacket I think Rob, made by someone else. It's not a Tennier Industries one. I paid £80 for mine. A then friend, loved mine and wanted one there and then. He went through the rigmarole of importing one, the same one I had. It cost him the price I quoted, five years ago, that's what he told me. I had an ECWCS before the jacket I had now. It was great, for two years, then leaked like a sieve. It was fake Gor-Tex. There are tonnes of fake Gor-Tex jackets about, copies of what I have.
I have no clue how much a Tennier Industries one would cost brand new now. It might be much cheaper. I doubt it, and there are very many many copies. A good second hand one will go for £100 still on ebay. I watched one a few weeks ago.
I've had the British versions, lots of them, they are gash in reality Rob, great for six months hard use, but then that's it. The Tennier Industries, real Gor-Tex jackets last a life time. Not five minutes, sorry. You're very obviously more expert than me on this issue. But with what i've used, in so many years hard fishing, nothing comes close to the jacket I have now. I've never known Tennier Industries jackets to be sold in this country in shops. If they do, it will be a mssive touch for me when I need another mate!
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In reply to Post #15
Sorry...I have to comment on this...
The cost for the new Generation 3 ECWCS parka is $132.23 according to the NATO stock list. If you want an "outsize" version, it is $145. You say you paid £80 for a woodland version, That is the older Gen 2 and 6 years ago was being phased out so that price would have been about right. The latest version can be found in UK stores for £150 new or about £80-90 used.
I am issued the lightweight hoodless and the hooded "temperate" MVP jackets and I too can easily lay in a puddle ..and regularly do on the ranges. :( To cross a river we wear gaiters to seal off the bottom of the trousers and then wade across. Sorted.
Please do not confuse Goretex, a brand name, with MVP membranes. All British Army MVP jackets use a Gore Industries membrane, but not Goretex.
The jacket you have is for use in snow and ice. The softer outer is more resistant to snow clinging to it. The outer material for standard waterproofs is a hard shell as this is more resistant to mud and rain. The UK issue parka for arctic use is the same as the ECWCS parka, but in MTP camo. It is not marked goretex because the UK military do not allow "advertising" on its kit. The only exception is with boots. This is because current issue boots are a civilian design and therefore available in shops as a new product, not a surplus one.
Snugpak make our thermals and sleep system. No name.
Buffalo and Montane make smocks, no branding
Karrimor make out day sacks, no branding.
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In reply to Post #15
400 quid! Even the Gen III jackets are about half that price on EBay.
I do agree about the US stuff being very good.
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In reply to Post #13
Sorry, can't help with a Sten gun..lol
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In reply to Post #13
All of the British army Gor-Tex jackets are gash these days. Fake Gor-Tex.
Very few companies actually have a licence to use this material on jackets.
If you want the very best, get a US Army, Tennier Industries made, Gor-Tex woodland Parka. If you get one brand new from the States, with import duty you will pay close to £400/£450. I got a brand spanking new one from fleabay for £80, because I'm a lucky sausage, and they was no where near as sort after then.
I got the trousers too. Both are proper Gor-Tex, I've stood at Walthamstow on the 2/3 on a cold February day, it rained non stop for nine hours, hard. I was bone dry. This gear, you could lay in a puddle.
Even the tapes are all stamped with Gor-Tex (R), the main material too. I've had mine for six years now, it's never been treated, it's been washed with just plain water. I can go lay in a puddle in it right now, and not get wet. It's soft, makes no noise and is comfy. Buy once, buy quality. So many top carpers have this exact jacket now, I smile when I see the photos.... I would never ever buy any other waterproof jacket, not a chance.
I've had roughly 7-8 British Army or other Euro versions. All gash, there is only one. The rest are poor copies.
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In reply to Post #10
Best Jacket I have brought 👍
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In reply to Post #12
Thanks for the offer Rob, I have actually ordered one of the Highlander jackets. Since I was a kid though I have always fancied a Sten Gun......
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In reply to Post #11
No probs. What are you after and I might be able to help
Depends if the Quarter Master is about over Christmas lol
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In reply to Post #10
Thanks Alan, that looks the same as the Highlander then
Also thanks for the info Rob
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In reply to Post #1
Cant get anymore  . The ones i had were AB- Tex "Gortex" but under another name
If you want another one here's a link
https://www.cadetdirect.com/military-waterproof-jacket-dpm
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In reply to Post #1
Hmmmm Are you talking about waterproof ones?
As far as I know, there were three "nylon" waterproofs...possibly what you mean by shiney?
The first were based on the olive green NI jacket. Super bits of kit as long as you did not move!
Next generation were a single skinned jacket with flapped pockets.
Then came the lined version that had a black inner, again with flapped pockets.
The first generation Goretex jackets had no pockets.
Second had a slit pocket under the flap and I think, two front pockets.
Like any jacket, they will require reproofing and any used items are washed before they come on the market, and that can affect the waterproofing. Spray with a proofer and they will be as good as new.
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In reply to Post #1
I had one without pockets, leaked after 10 minutes of rain 👎
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In reply to Post #4
Looking at the tempest it looks more like the one I had that the mice ruined
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Another vote for the highlander tempest. Had mine ten years. It’s never let a drop of water through in ten years
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In reply to Post #1
There’s is loads of versions, there’s windproof smocks , shower proof , jungle variants and all sorts. Same with softie jackets.
The Shiny ones are also a heavier ripstop type material and really hard wearing.
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Just get the highlander tempest jacket,not a lot of money and fully waterproof,I've had the army ones,totally pants
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In reply to Post #1
I found the only way to guarantee the army ones are waterproof is to buy new. Even the A grade ones leak. None of mine have pockets..
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In reply to Post #1
Slightly off track, try using a Poncho in weather like today. Then swap for your gortex once you have set up / sheltered.
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How many different versions of these are there?
Reason I ask is I originally had one I bought off Flipper_Al on here, that was a shinier material and had pockets on it. That one the mice had though it’s still useable and it was totally waterproof. I recently got another one off eBay, slightly different material, not as shiny and no pockets. Anyway, just had this one on for most of the afternoon setting up in the rain and in certain areas it’s leaked, bugger!!
So, what am I looking for to make sure I get the proper waterproof version?
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