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   Old Thread  #245 11 Jan 2019 at 7.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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outstanding
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adjective: outstanding

Not yet paid, resolved, or dealt with.
"much of the work is still outstanding"
synonyms: to be done, undone, not done, neglected, omitted, unattended to, unfinished, incomplete, left, remaining, pending, ongoing.
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   Old Thread  #244 11 Jan 2019 at 6.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've had a long day Ian. It's Friday, at the end of a long and busy week. I'm shattered, I just want to have a bath and crawl into bed.

If I'm touchy, it's for good reason Ian. I am so well versed in the bait game now, and how it all works. I've said it before on here, it's massively tribal now. I get hated by other anglers a lot, for one very simple reason. I came up with something which makes a difference. A real difference. I get anglers telling me all of the time, that they catch five times more on them, than any pop up they have used before. Blokes who will not go fishing with out them. They ain't getting them for free and needing to butter me up. They can't all be lying. People who I don't know from Adam, telling you all on this thread that they smacked somewhere, and caught all the rare ones to boot. I've sold pop ups to some of my real childhood angling hero's. The 'real' ones that don't need to do bait deals or the like. I've had good angler after good angler, tell me that all of the free bait gets left, hook bait goes first, and that they have never seen that before. I already knew, but it's lovely to hear from loads of others to. For every great comment, for every shot in the arm, like everything in life there is a bad side to. Anyone who cannot use them, because they are high profile and connected to a firm, well I'm not their favourite person am I. Not when some normal working bloke with limited time is smacking their tough lake up with them. That's human nature. For every good thing, there is a bad thing to go along with it. The more you stick your head up above the parapet, the more you will get shot at. I don't want to be famous for fishing. I just want to sell a bit of bait, be happy and go fishing. What I sell hook bait wise, is just better than everyone else's because of a process and the end result. Only I know that process. Of course it will upset some people. This forum is a great example. The only people who I have had any, even small crosswords with, is people connected to bait on here. Everyone else is my friend. People who sell bait, or make bait themselves even. They do not like me since I started SHB, right from the off. I can live with that. If no one cared, it would be crap wouldn't it. It's not. It makes people 'care'. When it first started, the bait company I was connected to, I offered 50% of SHB to the boss. He was my friend, and had the yard and everything to start it properly. He refused, told me that my cured cork balls were not the reason I had caught all my fish in a roundabout way. His bait was. They had cork balls already, made by Matt on here. They were not selling them apparently, so he thought no one wanted them. So I went off and done it on my own, with nothing, and used some one else's bait. Three months later, he wanted me back using his bait when it was all kicking off, and undoubtably realised what a big mistake he had made regarding SHB. You think that lot like me anymore? Of course not. LOL

Because I came up with something, that really makes a big difference. Some people hate me. Others tell me it's jealousy. I don't know what it is, but I don't like it.

Here's one for you Ian. Everything I've mentioned on this forum, regarding my own hook bait... I can do it with anyone else's to. I may have put all my focus into the S2 mainly, for my own fishing, but I can do exactly the same thing hook bait wise, with any bait. I could take yours, add some extra ingredients, which would change no colour or smell, put it through our process, which is what's really important. Then give you back carp drugs. In your bait, in a pop up form. I can take what you make, and put turbo chargers on it. If you fished it next to one of your standard ones, it will out fish it. That's because I know my stuff about hook baits. All those companies who brought out a maple/creamy nut type bait, after the S2. Well they are just playing at it really. They thought, that because it's a nut based hook bait, that's it. Bring out a nut bait, winner winner. It's far from it. They were wrong. People like that often are.

I can't do that for you mate unfortunately in the real world, but I could still do it theoretically. Cor, MM would be all over them like a rash I'd bet (smily face, joke).
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   Old Thread  #243 11 Jan 2019 at 5.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark,
The phrase, " with your outstanding PMs ", was not meant as a criticism, but in reference to the PMs you haven't had the time to answer because, as you said, you've been busy sending out orders.
If I had just written PMs, the sentence wouldn't have made any sense.
I then suggested that like you, MM has been too busy to answer your last post.
Re the Cell, I haven't any particular opinion of its effectiveness, or the reasons for its success.
I'm not really interested in the commercial baits, simply because their composition is unknown and unavailable, so can't be subject to chemical analysis or comparison.
What I do know is that large companies in competition, use all sorts of marketing ploys to try and increase market share, and imagine that that bait industry does the same.
I take your point that a product, nevertheless, has to be very good to become a market leader.
Ian.
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   Old Thread  #242 11 Jan 2019 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said Jim, when all of the other companies nowadays in the main, need some one else to go in and formulate their baits for them, mainly Geoff's wisdom, but others to... Mainline do not. It all comes from with in. So who knows then really? Does Geoff know? Of course he does. Do Kev & Steve at Mainline know? Of course they do. Last two freezer baits I've used (through choice)... Geoff's and now Kev & Steve's. There's no flies on me you see, not when it comes to me using the very best of everything, when I'm doing the thing I love, which is fishing.
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   Old Thread  #241 11 Jan 2019 at 4.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There's alot of mainline bashers on here they all call them but I think proof is in the pudding look at growth rates health condition and the amount of fisherys that go strength to strength when they use there bait.

Maybe it's down to how they distribute there bait how one guy as one deal the next as another and the average Joe has to pay full wack in the shop. However even in the shops do deals on bulk now

I have used mainline on test for years have used it on syndicate deals have used to from testers, consultant friends and now I pay full wack from the shop I've gone from hundreds of kilos a year to prob 50k a session. I don't use that much bait now as im not on a fixed water just day tickets. this must be testament of how good it is.

I'm not saying it's the best hnv out there or there isn't better but I've caught everywhere on there stuff always have it on one rod and swap and change on other two.
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   Old Thread  #240 11 Jan 2019 at 4.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When you say "with your outstanding PM's" BB. You could easily say PM's, but you choose to say something else. That's the only reason why mate, so I explained that i was talking to the people whom I had not replied to. I did not want them to think I was being rude, that's all. I get anglers thinking I'm ignoring them all of the time. Example, we currently have 227 unread messages on Instagram, from after Xmas. How will I reply to them? It will take me two days to read them mate. After a year of SHB, we turned the message system off on our business page on Faceache. Go check. A lot of people will be finding it novel, that they can talk to me on here via PM, trust me. I get seriously moaned at about this, which is why I even mentioned it.

You get what it says on the tin with me BB. Twice I offered an olive branch to your friend MM, twice he disappeared. Yeah of course I know he's just busy.

I suppose you think that Cell sells so much, because of Korda, and TV. Here's a bit of factual information for you mate. Not theory. The first time I ever spoke to Kev Knight, I told him, if I had a pound for every time some one had asked me for a Cell cork ball made and 'cured' by us, I'd be doing alright. I get to see what every one loves mate, with no bias at all. I deal with all bait companies customers, all of them. I don't get asked for other stuff, I used to get asked over and over again for Cell, virtually on a daily basis at one point around 2014/15/16. I also get all of the same blokes, telling me that it's the best freezer bait they have ever used. Normal blokes. With no reason to lie to the owner of another bait company. Some of my friends, will use nothing else but Cell freezer baits, and they pay for it to. They could probably get free bait elsewhere if they tried.

Of course Korda or TV will help massively, but without the bait being what it needs to be, it does not become the biggest seller/catcher for just that reason alone. If it's crap, it's crap. And everyone will soon find out don't you worry about that. Anyone who says Cell is crap, has a vested interest in something else, and wished they had the biggest selling/catching bait of all time in the UK. Simple.
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   Old Thread  #239 11 Jan 2019 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark,
You seem to have seen implications in my post that are simply not there.
It was fairly innocuous with a touch of humour.
Re your outstanding PMs, I was just pointing out that MM is probably as busy as you to be able to action everything in a favourable time frame.
Why on earth would it upset me if you have outstanding PMs?
Re the Cell, I asked if it was also the biggest seller, because that adds qualifying info to the original bare statistic. If it has become the most successful commercial bait, I would think there are other contributing factors involved, rather than anglers just catching plenty of fish using it.
Anyway, I did say I knew it was a simple statement made in order to help a new member and credit to you for that.
I would have thought by now Mark, that you could see that, with me, you get exactly what it says on the tin.
Ian.
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   Old Thread  #238 11 Jan 2019 at 2.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have to agree with that, there has to be more to the cell than just the volume sold, of course it's not the only bait that will catch carp, but if you are just starting out or confused by the vast amount of different baits out there then cell is a fantastic bait wherever you take it.
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   Old Thread  #237 11 Jan 2019 at 1.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What about the popularity of Cell on the continent - comparable to the UK? On my own pits in Germany hardly an angler uses cell, but i am not aware of the sales figures in Europe.
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   Old Thread  #236 11 Jan 2019 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ouuuuuuu BB, talking about your mate drew you back look. My outstanding PM's? . I was just talking to all the people who have PM'd me BB, you might see one of them put a thumbs up just after I posted it. He could tell you, and many others I have not replied to any of them yet. I have to many PM's to reply to mate at the moment. I hope it does not upset you, it should not.

Yes more Cell has been sold than anything else BB. Do you know why? Or do you need me to explain it to you? It's because when anglers go fishing with the Cell, they catch loads of fish.

I tried to explain this to you and your mate earlier. When something is exceptional, you will sell a lot of it. If you have a large company today with a big advertising budget, it helps a lot. Internet chatter, is internet chatter. Anyone who has the real deal, you'd be making money from it. Or some one would have you making a lot of money for them. Carp fishing and bait is big business these days if you had not noticed. If a bait is no good, anglers will use it for a while and jog on. If something is the biggest seller, and biggest catcher of all time, it's for a reason.

Internet bait guru's may wish that it's just down to advertising, and otherwise they themselves would have the best stuff sliced sliced bread. But it's not true. It's just wishful thinking. Yes you can start a bait company and do well if you have millions to start with nowadays and want to buy all the better anglers. But if you are going to start one from nothing, you need the real deal. I've had people who want to get 'into it all', who want to buy my company. More than one.

The Cell is the biggest selling bait, because it is the biggest ever catcher of carp in the UK. It would never have happened, if both were not the case.
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   Old Thread  #235 11 Jan 2019 at 12.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I wonder whether it is also the case that far more Cell has been sold than any other bait?

Of course
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   Old Thread  #234 11 Jan 2019 at 12.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark, ( or would you prefer Pauline? ).
I'm sure you and MM will become internet friends. He may just be playing hard to get.
Or, more likely, he runs a busy schedule and like you with your outstanding PMs, has to fit everything in where he can.
Re your assertion that Cell has caught more carp than any other freezer bait, I wonder whether it is also the case that far more Cell has been sold than any other bait?
Anyway, I understand the point was to suggest a successful bait to the new member.
Ian.
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   Old Thread  #233 11 Jan 2019 at 12.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #232 11 Jan 2019 at 12.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Me to. I thought me and MM were going to be internet friends.

To everyone else whom has ordered anything, a lot has gone out today and will be there tomorrow, the rest is going out Monday and Tuesday. Your orders are all intertwined with a hell of a lot of others that are not from this forum. I have spent two hours this morning looking at PM's, and chucking free stuff in for you all. You cost me a fortune LOL. I will reply to every PM at some point, but I physically cannot yet. It's not me being rude I promise. The Euro lads, yours has all gone today, you cost me a fortune to you scoundrels.
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   Old Thread  #231 11 Jan 2019 at 10.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I am looking forward to your elaboration about the oils.

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