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   Old Thread  #95 2 Jan 2019 at 3.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
All very interesting stuff but either way all above my pay grade, fermentation is an interesting word used a lot throughout the thread, my misses is fermenting at the moment and I won't go near her.
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   Old Thread  #94 2 Jan 2019 at 2.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My advise, chill out mate, you have nothing to prove

From an angling perspective there is only one single thing that matters, results

And whether that be trial and error or some scientific bollox. Let the fish do the talking

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   Old Thread  #93 2 Jan 2019 at 1.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I am 100% certain that Pete and Dean's bait was exceptional Woody. No arguments from me. They wanted me to use it when I first started my business. Lot's of people wanted me to use their bait. They also wanted me to make some hook baits for them in their bait. Lots of people wanted me to make hook baits for them in their bait Woody. Not because I'm good looking either Woody. It was because certain 'things', were out fishing everything else 10-1 all over the gaff. I'm positive if I had of used Dean and Pete's bait.... I would have caught plenty, because you, and others say so Woody. I spoke to both Pete and Dean, Dean got hook baits from me very briefly, probably for previous reasons above. He did say some stuff to me about trouble he had with his bait. Other people are spouting names to me Woody, and then insulting me. I can insult them to. They are probably dragging others into their argument. So is MM PeteB, or some one else?

Boilies ain't my 'thing'. My 'thing' is hook baits. I deal in attraction, not nutrition. Now I'm no genius, I have a friend who's knowledge far outweighs mine, about all things boilie. Massively so. I'm no scientist, I'm no literary genius, I was a plasterer for twenty years, I ain't going to be. But hook baits, or more importantly attraction... Nah Woody, that's my 'game' that is. I damn well know my onions about that stuff, as good as any man alive is my guess. I'm very lucky, in that I now get to play with some space age 'stuff'. Stuff I would never normally be able to get my grubby mitts on. Everything we talk about in this thread, is ten-fifteen years old or more to me now. I make an alright living, and I get smoke blown up my bottom on a daily basis. Only because some carper just caught more carp, than he ever had before, or broke his PB. I have no need to argue mate. I'm a very happy guy indeed. I get to go fishing when I want. And make money out of what I am talking about on this thread. Enough to make me happy. That probably does not sit that well with some people on the internet. The best form of advertising, is not the internet. The best form of advertising, is some average working Joe, going and destroying his tough syndicate on a weekend. That sort of advertising, works better than any other. It means something. All his mates and everyone on the lake are customers within three days, customers who don't jog on five minutes later either. Real life in the bait industry 2018. Not Facebook, not Instagram, not CarpForum. Real life.

The carp world is a very funny old place. The business side of it is even funnier. I come from London, I was a builder most of my life, who fished. I am used to dealing with 'straight' people in real life. For the past six years my business has been carp bait. The 'carp world', is not like my 'real world' at all. It's dog eat dog. Super tribal. Lots of jealousy. And everyone (well not everyone) but most, want to just copy each other.

I can salute Dean & Pete, because if nothing else... They was doing their own thing. Is he still making bait? I hope so, Have I been talking to him at any point on this thread Woody? I hope he is well. He seemed like a really nice bloke in my limited dealings with him.
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   Old Thread  #92 2 Jan 2019 at 1.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm still here mate. You're welcome. I hope some of it catches you a few extra fish. It will.
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   Old Thread  #91 2 Jan 2019 at 12.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi mark, i am not trying to pick an argument here and to be fair my own bait knowledge is quite limited but when i use something that works and works well then i know it is a good bait.

Enzyme baits there are some that have been sold that i believe aren't really any better than a standard fishmeal bait and some so called active baits, but one of the baits ucn made really was good and for me was considerably better than any other boiled bait i have used prior or since, i have used a lot of commercially available baits and imo nothing came close as a boiled bait.

i know the problems dean had when rolling the bait and understand why it is no longer available, i certainly wish it was!
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   Old Thread  #90 2 Jan 2019 at 12.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"What ever there is still no scientific answer as to why tigers and other particles are so productive... I know there is one it's just not been determined yet...but it doesn't stop me using them."

Thanks Christian. You have to understand mate, that I am talking to you lot on here, and having to be VERY careful about what I say. That's for commercial reasons. Some internet tittle tattle, does not matter to me more than that. I'll just stop talking about bait on here.

I could write out a post, that would completely blow everyones mind about 'stuff' like this, and how it can be incorporated with man made liquids that we all use. But I can't, because I'd be giving it all away. I ain't going to do that. It may seem random that I pull out photo's of 50's caught the day before... But it's one bit of evidence I can produce without spilling my guts. I run a business, that in a roundabout way is based on 'fermenting' boilies. Trust me, I do know my stuff about this one subject. Far, far better than any scientist to.

I've already given some REAL gold dust bits and bobs away on this forum, if people were paying attention. The clever ones were paying attention. Some just want a row.

I only deal in real world Christian. The reason that your highlighted comment above is so important, is one of the things being spoken about right here in this thread. I can tell you why they work so well. Your comment about alcohol, it's produced by sugars. You're bang right, you're there. What you suspect, is correct.

Hemp and tigers are more attractive to carp than ANY enzyme bait EVER produced. FAR more, off the scale more. FACT. What's being spoken about in this thread, IE fermenting things........

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   Old Thread  #89 2 Jan 2019 at 12.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Apologies for the multiple posts fat finger syndrome
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   Old Thread  #86 2 Jan 2019 at 12.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Typical, just when some thoughtful threads and posts gain momentum it all gets a little bit personal and boom end of thread. Is it any wonder forums like this are dying when sly digs and abuse kill threads like the one here. I liked Paulie j 's posts as it got me thinking about a few sugar related ideas that im going to try out and for that im grateful to him, if they fail so be it but at least he planted a seed.which im hoping will give my bait a little extra. I suppose its easy to sit there in judgement and rubbish peoples theories and quote scientific facts that counter the argument but the fact remains that paulie's baits work for him and others and we may never know 100% why but give the man credit for trying
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   Old Thread  #85 2 Jan 2019 at 12.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"the stuff he posts often has no relation to the real world, often is completely wrong"

MM I cannot agree with the first part of your comment, for the first time in a long time on this forum I am picking up ideas that I can try out easily in my own fishing...ie in the real world. I know that attracting carp to my bait goes far beyond the amino acid attraction that you and BB seem, well at least to me, not able to see beyond. PJ has some very good ideas that he has picked up from experience which appears to have been over a long period...ie at least from his posts it appears he operates in the real world.

Yes I know he gets some of the chemical processes mixed up but even so I can I understand what he's on about. The only thing missing is that the link between yeast and sugar and the result... alcohol... seems to be ignored. I suspect that fermentation and the resultant alcohol is a big a part of the attraction as the actual sugar.

What ever there is still no scientific answer as to why tigers and other particles are so productive... I know there is one it's just not been determined yet...but it doesn't stop me using them.
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   Old Thread  #84 2 Jan 2019 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Viking, I was replying to your post yesterday as you posted this. Yeah I get it totally Viking, I'm very well versed in the internet and bait chit chat. I understand totally that MM is never going to agree with anything I say... Because I laugh soooo hard that carp can't detect oil. He does not like that, because it contradicts what he says.

Don't post it here mate, many, many people will be watching this thread, which will never comment, or even be active members of this forum, you know that.

I've had stuff of my own, scientifically pulled apart by others in laboratories, to find out what's in there. I know, I've been told that it was done, and by whom. Luckily for me, ingredients are not the be all and end all. End result of a process is. You can't find what's in there, when the ingredient we are talking about in this thread, is 'made' after the bait is rolled. And not with one specific ingredient. If it was not for this little fact, there would be exact copies. There is not.

It is a magic ingredient Viking. You can't buy it in a bottle, you have to produce it yourself, and it can be stabilised.

I am done with this thread now mate. It always gets silly. It always will.
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   Old Thread  #83 2 Jan 2019 at 11.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Viking, mate, I was trashed yesterday, forgive me, new years day and all that. I did tell you I was having a drink! Four glasses of champers and I was bandy .

I don't quite agree about the enzymes though mate. They do not create the same thing in any way shape or form. I've tried them. And I know, that I have something else which will out fish that 10-1 anyway. It does not involve enzymes. Unless I am creating them without knowing about it.

Enzymes have gone no where in the past ten years really. There is no major bait firm pushing enzyme baits really. If they were as effective as some make out, oh they all would be trust me. It's a multi million pound industry that does not miss a trick.

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   Old Thread  #82 2 Jan 2019 at 11.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Paulie,
MM is just pointing out that your writings s in conflict with known science. This is not his opinion, but facts proven through repeated experiments. I understand it may come across as rude but some of the things you claim is like saying the world is flat and that you can make water run uphill. When doing that one should not be insulted when corrected but possibly try to learn a thing or too.
MMs opinions on baits is purely science based and you will find it is hard to prove him wrong. I know that based on many discussions in the past. Now in my opinion there is more to baits than amino acids and I have been involved with testing myself that show different substances play a part. However this is nothing I will post here.
As for having success, I work with bait full time. But as I am located in Norway I have chose to concentrate on other species than carp. At least for now.
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   Old Thread  #81 2 Jan 2019 at 11.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi BB. Thanks for that information, I'm a bit clueless as to who they all are. As your friend MM has just shown, they are all so stuck in their own personal ways, I find it hard to talk to them myself.

I stand by what I said before, if any of these blokes had the real deal, or knew what they were really talking about, they would be making good money from it. Unfortunately to my knowledge, none of them are. They maybe used to at one time or other, so what happened? If it's so great, why is everyone not using it now? I don't understand this myself. Maybe I'm just stupid, or rambling, or talking 'nonsense' eh. Maybe all of the many hundreds, if not thousands of personal messages I have, from complete strangers... Thanking me for helping them, or theirs catch more carp than they ever have before, are all nonsense to. They must be. I could bring an entire army of anglers here right now if needed, to tell MM that they will not even go fishing without them, period. There is no need. He's right of course, and I'm the idiot.

End of discussion.

Have a great day BB, and good luck for the future mate.

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Ramblings? Jeez, it's very little wonder you argue with so many people MM is it? You're actually quite rude aren't you. I had various PM's from people right at the start of this conversation, telling me that you're an absolute idiot, and to ignore you lot. I choose not to do that, I choose to talk to you. BB seems like a sound man, you seem like an internet idiot though, who hunts in pairs. So I think I will ignore you.

As for posting photo's of myself, I see you make no comment at all, about the photo's of the bloke with the brace, and the photo of the bloke with the 50lb+ common. Where's your photographs of blokes out in the last few days MM, catching big UK carp, with your ramblings? Do you not have any? Do you just talk about it on the internet? Oh right.

Mug.





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   Old Thread  #79 2 Jan 2019 at 9.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes I did say that ; but after reading all through PJ' s ramblings late last night, and a nice bottle of red, I couldn't really see the point in doing so. l agree with Viking, the stuff he posts often has no relation to the real world, often is completely wrong, and often involves the rewriting of proven chemical reactions/laws ( not theories or myths ) that are taught in schools and universities all over the world.
Here's just a few examples

description of fermentation is effectively the reverse of what actually happens

"Activating sugars" to increase their chemoreceptive "attractiveness" -not possible

Heating oils to " get them "working "under water- no

Proteins can be fermented to produce sugars -not possible

Natural sugars being one of the best attractors for carp-no

The sugar chemicals in man made sugars being different to natural sugars -no
Sucrose in refined sugar is identical to sucrose occurring naturally in sweetcorn etc

Etc, etc, etc

Posting a photo of a carp does show he can catch carp, however using the photo as evidence to disprove established and proven laws /rules /reactions in chemistry/ biology
Is a bit of a nonsense
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