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   Old Thread  #135 3 Jan 2019 at 7.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Paulie,
Looking forward to try it. If it significantly outfish any other bait I throw at it, I will take my hat off in public.
I think I might have sussed out, at least partly what you do. If I am right it sort of makes sense and you gave me some new ideas to try out.
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   Old Thread  #134 2 Jan 2019 at 11.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Nick,

I got onto the Liver after you first posted about it many moons ago. In fact, at the time it was not a flavour as such...



I think I sent you the recipe before I 'gave it away', and for some reason I recall you asking Bill what type of flavour it was as you PM'd me back.

Sadly I had a Rod H moment as I didn't write down the pm you sent back, which also included some of the results with your playing around with the bait, but I think you found it worked a bit better than the standard Trigga. (I could be wrong).

I was working on the liver thought for a few reasons;
In pet foods it is used as 'flavour enhancerí, it is sprayed onto numbers of dog foods to get them to take dry biscuits.
One of the products by Howard E. Loeb Ė a biologist from the United States Ė described as a carp attractor.
Digested Liver has been a reliable factor in fish meal recipes for many years. It is rich in vitamin B12 and is abundant with free amino-acids, therefore improving the nutritional value.





Paulie,
You credit me with some knowledge, Thank You, but it is often just experimentation to see if I can improve what works. I knew Trigga base mix with the Trigga liquid was going to work, I'd used the original, had caught on it (a lake record fish at the time), but reckoned improving the palatibility would make it a better bait when compared to the standard bait. When I got onto a new syndicate, I was seen putting in plenty of boilies, catching a fair few and was asked what bait they were. I told most of the truth, "Trigga".

I didn't tell the rest of the syndicate about the additions.

The Trigga as mentioned in my reply to Ken, I thought Liver and Sweet Cajouser would work together, I knew that Trigga and Trigga liquid could be improved on.

Every now and again I come up with ideas, like mixing Nutramino, Iso-Eugenol with Cinnamon Oil and Peach Nutrafruit, adding a dash of Sweet Cajouser, which was the liquids of another bait I worked with.
Notice a theme here? I play with the liquid and powder content to create or improve a reaction.

I don't usually have the time to completely formulate a bait from scratch like the big boys at Mainline or Nutrabaits used to, base mix and all. I do sometimes have time to play with additions and additives to the base mix.
You CAN have a 'Eureka moment.
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   Old Thread  #133 2 Jan 2019 at 10.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well give them both my regards BB. It's a shame that they can't post on here. Thank you mate, I'm normally always in good spirits.

Here is another example for you BB. A friend of mine now, he's not the best angler in the world by his own admission. So a much better example. He was a former professional footballer though. And he knows how to pull a sort alright. He's a teacher, so he gets very little time to fish. Anyway, he fished RP for five years. Never caught a bean. Nothing, him and his mates really struggled.

Give them something that really works though, and he caught thirteen the next year, on very limited time again, including the most sort after in the lake. Full time consultants/top rods who had always called this bloke a nod, catching, none. He had this out of that blokes swim, after he had just done three nights in there and blanked. He went in there, and had this on a single, within an hour. Zero in five years, to superhero in quick time. That is pretty good proof I'd say. Circuit water with a whole host of top anglers on. Teacher, no time, could not catch one for years.

Suddenly, he starts flopping out fish like this, one after tother, on very limited time. No one was calling him a nod anymore anyway. Stuff like this, is the only reason anything ever worked out in anyway for me. Results, nothing else. In todays bait market, as Dean and many others found out BB. You need something really special to compete. It's not like back in the day. Every sod is at it now, and it grows daily. If you do not have the real deal... You ain't lasting five minutes. Famous anglers think they can just magic up some famous bait. It does not work like that though. Big money men think they can pump money at it, copy something else and achieve something easy. It ain't anything like that at all. They may get a couple of years or more out of it, then they get found out really. Whatever you do, if it is any good, it will be copied within five minutes. They will all try to copy it anyway. When in reality, they don't have a Danny La Rue those sort of people. If a lot, are trying to copy what you are doing, if others want you to go formulate their baits for them, based on this photo below (that consultants massive firm) and a whole heap more photos's of weekenders with the good uns. I'd say that is proof enough, that I can hold a conversation about bait, with out being spoken to like a wally BB by your mate. I like you BB, you're a genuine bloke I'd say. Trust me, if anyone on this thread, comes up with a freezer bait lets say, that makes a real difference to anglers up and down the land, they will succeed with it. I started a business with absolutely NOTHING, just hard earned knowledge. I'd been sick and off work for two years nearly. What chance is there that a bloke and his mate, in a kitchen with nothing, could start something that is still going, and so much bigger seven years later? How could that happen, if it did not do the do in the current market? Do you know how many business have come and gone in the same time in angling? No new bait every year here. No need. No more proof for your mate MM I promise now BB. I have already noted that he has none bless him, and disappears when I mention it. he must just talk a great game. Have a fantastic evening mate.

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   Old Thread  #132 2 Jan 2019 at 9.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi PJ,
That's what I meant. You can't prove it without giving the game away. But you have done what you can by showing the end results.
I'm sure Dean is okay. He and Pete joined a new syndicate this season. One that NW is on.
I'm pleased for you that you are in good spirits.
BB.
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   Old Thread  #131 2 Jan 2019 at 9.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have a PM box full up with new PM's Perry in the last two hours. It will take a while to reply to them. I mentioned earlier that I use a fake name on Faceache, and that I do not want 5000 friends. The reason, is this. I love talking about it mate it's my life long passion. But then everyone wants to message, or wants a discount... I'd be the same LOL. I get aggro for not answering our work phone. Well when a number is on the internet, you get calls all day long. Like all day long, from India trying to sell you web blah blah, from Hong Kong trying to sell you whatever. Or carpers asking you silly questions. It's like a hotline if a number is on the internet. Customers always get told, texts only, you'll get a call back. No one ever listens.

It may sound mad, but I bet none of you actually like talking about work, when you are not at work. If anyone talks to me about pop ups while I'm fishing... They learn quick that I'm not at work . Everyone wants to talk to me about work, while I'm fishing these days. It's the worst thing I ever done for my fishing. I turn my phone off for two or three days... Only put it on when I need to use it. Never look at the internet. Go fishing to get away from work, but it's always there, and never goes away. You can't be rude to some beaming bloke, who thinks you are brilliant, because he caught a lovely fish. But it changes everything for your fishing. Some love you like that, most affiliated to other bait firms, hate you. Because carp fishing is tribal. Changed my fishing forever. I ain't a business man, I'm a fisherman.

I once answered the phone by mistake at 11pm on a Sunday night. I was in bed with the missus having a cuddle, but thought it maybe a family emergency. It was someone who had brought £100 worth of hook baits, and wanted to know what ones to use, in a specific swim he had just arrived at, on some far away lake. I stopped him as he was telling me the depth and bottom make up, swore at him a lot, and told him never to order F all from us ever again the weirdo. You know when you get 'disturbed'? I had the right ump. Cheeky sod! I now turn the work phone off, and have another number lol. Folk are strange.

I'll chuck you in something Perry anyway. PM me the name if it's not Perry. We've been busy last couple of days. Viking had a Norway name and was very obvious

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   Old Thread  #130 2 Jan 2019 at 9.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Then you get some, who think that adding some coconut flavour to a load of rubbish, will make a Cell equivalent.

Exacltey that, smells like it but ainít nothing like it, one round ball ainít like another, despite what some people like to think or are told to think
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   Old Thread  #129 2 Jan 2019 at 9.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If I give you some grief, can I have a discount?
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   Old Thread  #128 2 Jan 2019 at 9.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nick knows his stuff. Some real sense in your post Nick. When you add things to your bait, you can change it. The sum of the parts, is very different, if certain things are added. Then, you don't just have your original ingredients and the stuff you added. If the things added are the right type, you will create extra 'stuff' in your bait. Nothing you have actually added, or was in there. Something that was produced, because of what you done. You changed the sum of the parts Nick. What you done was very simple. But it's exactly the same thing really as I have been speaking about, in a roundabout way. And as you found, it works alright.

As you say, you can find out the ingredients of the Cell from the bag. What you cannot find out, is what occurs when the liquids and the powders are added together. That's the real magic. The man who designed the Cell, is one of the real hero's in carp bait. If he was the type to seek public glory, he'd be as revered as any man to do with carp bait in my opinion. He's not bothered about stuff like that. The Cell is the greatest carp catcher of all time at a guess. It's caught more carp than anything else. Then you have Grange, same blokes. Then you have Activ-8, same blokes. Three of the most, if not the most, effective freezer baits ever made. Internet chatter is one thing, anyone whom has ever used one of those baits, well they know don't they.

Then you get some, who think that adding some coconut flavour to a load of rubbish, will make a Cell equivalent.
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   Old Thread  #127 2 Jan 2019 at 8.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oh I can prove it BB, don't you worry about that. But by doing that, I would be giving far to much away and telling every sod exactly why they work so well. I think I have held my side well enough, in the proof stakes anyway. That's a shame about Dean, I hope he is still carp fishing.

Oh I'm happier than most BB .
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   Old Thread  #126 2 Jan 2019 at 8.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The only big 'Gun' you used to take to Pascales was the one you slept with incase i came for a midnight visit
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   Old Thread  #125 2 Jan 2019 at 7.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had his number, when he started chatting me up about the 'boat' in the pike pics

I sorted something out today Mr-Magoo, well, I'm actually astounded. If it actually comes off, I will remind you back to this post, and let you know that it was what i was talking about today. I could not be any happier if I tried I think. Something epic, really epic. I can't stop having massive touches regarding my fishing at the moment! This is a proper one though, and very nice indeed.
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   Old Thread  #124 2 Jan 2019 at 7.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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2, 3, 4, all are based on exactly the same stuff. 3 get lied about, everybody that uses 3's and clumps them (plenty), tells everyone else they are using 2's (sneaky)... Because 2's are the well known ones. The 2's, 3's and 4's are all as good as each other. 2's or 3's at a push.

No offence, but can we please get back to fermenting boilies now. I know it's my fault for bringing it up during conversations. But I don't pay the forum owner anything for advertising. So it would not be fair really. I might get banned to. I hope it brings a few more members here for him.

The world is dumbing down, every sod just wants to post photographs on social media. I like to talk.
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   Old Thread  #123 2 Jan 2019 at 7.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Be careful round old bivvy mate heís grooming you.. itís what he does , remember that big gun I had at pascals foz that was on his Hookbaits
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   Old Thread  #122 2 Jan 2019 at 7.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I would definitely take a look at the S2 range mate. And also for something a bit different, take a look at the F1ís. Iíve had plenty of fish on both of these.
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   Old Thread  #121 2 Jan 2019 at 7.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I already got your name Viking from the order. I went and peeked. Cold water? Oh they will work even better in cold water don't worry. I will send you some nice bits. We send all over Europe mate, Slovenia, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Spain, France on a regular basis. There's sneaky Euro's who all know. They all order three tubs or more, and we always waive the extra postage costs. That's how it always works with you Euro's.

It's all good mate, I'm only jesting anyway. 3-1? These will out fish those, 5-1, at least. Watch. I'm going fishing tomorrow, no work here yet we're still off
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