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   Old Thread  #215 10 Jan 2019 at 9.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All about the yeast, fructose (or glucose) and maybe a bit of dextrose.


Be lucky...and get on the SHB.


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   Old Thread  #214 10 Jan 2019 at 9.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I did not say you did not understand Mr Blonde. I just ran with what you said a bit, I was talking to everyone, not you after the first line.

Mother nature created the fish. And mother nature knows damn well how to attract them to. They have evolved, like everything else, around their environment. Their environment is different to ours, and we know so little, as others have so rightly said, about what goes on under water with fish and attraction.

Put something man made in when a blood worm bed is kicking off. You ain't getting a bite, mother nature wins. Not because they are scared of your bait, because the blood worm signals, are stronger, than your man made signals to a carp. Evolution beats your bait hands down. Why does a swan mussel bed do the same thing? Ever tasted one? Taste a little bit salty for a fresh water creature if you eat a clean one. Why do pike show a preference to sea dead baits, over coarse dead baits? Could it be the salty sea fish? Pike have no barbules, they seem to like naturally salty things though to.
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   Old Thread  #213 10 Jan 2019 at 0.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And understanding why that is actually so Mr Blonde, is key to a lot of stuff written in this thread. The readymades never sweated, the readymades were crap. So were the pop ups.

I do understand Mark, that's why i pop'd it into the thread.
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   Old Thread  #212 9 Jan 2019 at 11.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Now think to yourself. Since the big advent in freezer bait, and the explosion of carp fishing. It costs a lot of money in expensive electricity to keep masses of bait in freezers for stock. Courier companies often have a habit of messing up to. So if your bait had say a bit of preserver in, but was still frozen when you got it. Solves a lot of problems doesn't it. Of course I'm not saying that this happens, but I've seen a lot of freezer bait over the past ten years being used by others, that will not go off, even when left in a sealed bag in the sun for a week midsummer.

I would NEVER use any freezer bait ever, that did not sweat right up in a bag after a few days, a couple preferably. If your freezer bait is not going off, how can anything in this thread even work if you tried it. Preservatives inhibit mould. Fermenting boilies like we are talking about is 'good' mould. It will not work if there are preservatives in there.

The best freezer baits in history, they all go off fairly quickly. If yours does not, I'm sure you can join up the dots.
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   Old Thread  #211 9 Jan 2019 at 11.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And understanding why that is actually so Mr Blonde, is key to a lot of stuff written in this thread. The readymades never sweated, the readymades were crap. So were the pop ups.

That is base mix. It's one small part of the equation, but if you can get your food kicking off mother nature signals. It's the best base for excellence. Carp bait attraction, is so multi faceted it is unreal. You need everything in a hook bait for example, working with each other, food, powders, liquids, spices, etc, etc, the lot. Not some hotch/potch chuck it all in scenario, with a load of glass balls made by chemicals companies or some bland pop up mix. It needs to be all working together, to really get the right exceptional end results. That's fact, not fiction.

I could train a five year old, to put a kilo of pop up base mix into a bowl, and add set amounts of some liquid and some egg like a book says. It does not make the five year old a bait expert. And the five year old is going to make the same shizzle, as what everyone else made, and millions before them to isn't he. Ouuu he mixed some flavours, made by some one else together did he. Wowzas. He knows his stuff. Why would I want to do something like that, when I want something a bit more than that. Going on some one else's advice or previous, you'll just get their results. Just second hand. Yes pop up mix pop ups 'work', they always have. But when some one comes a long with something 'proper', they are not working anymore for you like before. You'll see fairly rapidly that something else works far better, than what you have. You'll adapt, or you'll blank. Simples. Carp fishing is quite popular these days, lakes are very busy. If you want to do something different results wise, you can't use the same old stuff as 95% of the blokes on the lake around you, can you.

Carp fishing in a nutshell. Don't be a follower, be the one who tries new things. It's the only way you'll get 'different' results. Maybe you want the same results, which is fine, I don't.

Not everything in carp bait folk lore is the gospel. A lot of it is ********. So do your own thing.

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   Old Thread  #210 9 Jan 2019 at 9.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes Paulie mentioned turning granulated sugar into icing sugar, by grinding it down, he also mentioned I played around to create 'increased' attraction. I did put into the mix (sic😁 ) about how my dog likes eating brown sugar.
There is an add to that, which I sort of started going into, but paused as the subject developed. The types of sugar can create increased reaction.
You can put plain straight granulated sugar into your baits, but the reaction is minimal, it is not as soluble (I think) as other sugars. Icing sugar creates a better reaction, demerara sugar makes no or little difference, unless finely ground, but soft light brown and soft dark brown sugar do increase reactions, to boilies and particles.

Soft dark brown sugar is very rich, still containing molasses, and does make a very good bait additive.
Try as you pour boiling water over your particles to soak them, stirring in some dark brown sugar. Mix it into your boilie mix, or even, as you boil the baits, stir some brown sugar into your boiling water.
Then try putting them into liquid yeast after drying and drying again.
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   Old Thread  #209 9 Jan 2019 at 3.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Indeed or Strawberry Cream....brings back memories.
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   Old Thread  #208 9 Jan 2019 at 12.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can't beat a bag of sticky Tutties that have sat in the sun for a few hours.
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   Old Thread  #207 9 Jan 2019 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yeah , he said he was coating with Brococell and Paulie J tipped a wink to add Icing Sugar if i remember rightly?
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#34 31 Dec 2018 at 10.42am

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Try chucking a little bit of icing sugar into your dustings as well Mereman, as well as what you already do. It will help 'things' along nicely.

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Would be interesting if someone can put there preferred process' on here to aid all? Like Mike Bridges has done for Dynamite with his 'Profiling' bait preparation.......
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   Old Thread  #206 9 Jan 2019 at 8.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've enjoyed this post a lot, but have got lost a bit along the way a bit. Was there any conclusion to the original post about fermenting boilies ? Does anyone do it ? and if so what method do they use ? Noticed one guy sprinkled brocacel yeast over his frozen boilies but don't know what he did after that ?
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   Old Thread  #205 8 Jan 2019 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The cork balls can. I personally would not mount the crushed corks that way or the barrels or the balanced. It's far easier to just pierce them with a loop of floss and bait stop, and tie on to your ring I find. There is no solid ball of cork to screw into, and they are real food, not granite hard pop up mix. I don't use bait screws with them mate.

Save the S1 for warmer water. They have a sodium based hardened coating. It works best in warm water.
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   Old Thread  #204 8 Jan 2019 at 11.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Good thread, plenty of bits & pieces out there that flick the carps switches, these days I worry not about the science, why, if's etc, as long as the bites keep coming.
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   Old Thread  #203 7 Jan 2019 at 9.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yea just wondered as the others are the natural colour thought there might be something behind it messed with all things bait for years love it. I used mainline for years on one rod and swapped and changed on others. always caught well on there baits. Out of those three the a8 look like the ones esp with added greenlip. Can your baits be mounted on a bait screw ?? I bought some s1 barrels and pops when you first started but believe it or not I never used them tested them in water and they leak of a loverpy spice trail smell spicey and carpy. Might be time to give them a whirl.
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   Old Thread  #202 7 Jan 2019 at 8.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Because that's a nice hook bait colour mate. Washed out pink is always a winner Jim. The Cell base mix is a neutral colour, so it takes a colour very nicely at low levels. The Active-8 and the Link, they are much, much darker base mix and liquids. They don't take colours so well, especially the Link. Those two are better left au natural. They are Cell, just coloured pink.

Pink is a popular hook bait colour. They could have just have easily been white, or natural Cell colour. People seem to like that colour though in a hook bait. Mainline Cell users all seem to love them anyway.



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   Old Thread  #201 7 Jan 2019 at 8.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They flog Secret Cell at De Bows and Lesmont. Itís like a horrible bright red colour.
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