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   Old Thread  #255 12 Jan 2019 at 10.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I just hope Danny's fishing skills are better in real life mate.
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   Old Thread  #254 12 Jan 2019 at 9.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You should fish with dogturds mate, you'll save yourself a fortune.
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   Old Thread  #253 12 Jan 2019 at 9.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When the fish are on it , they'll eat dog turds.
Bait is overrated in Carp Fishing, obviously due to .
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   Old Thread  #252 12 Jan 2019 at 8.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know Ian. I was ratty yesterday mate, it had been a long week. It's easy to take things the wrong way online, and I did. Apologies.
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   Old Thread  #251 12 Jan 2019 at 8.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can lead a horse to water... But you can't make them drink it. I ain't the reincarnation of baby Jesus, and there's no miracles.

Sometimes carp are not going to get caught on anything, for various reasons. It ain't the baits fault. But so many anglers (not you), chop and change, and when they are back in with a chance of clumping them big style... They are using the wrong bait, or rig. Because they chopped and changed.
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   Old Thread  #250 11 Jan 2019 at 8.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So they are need to get my eyes sorted. Sorry
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   Old Thread  #249 11 Jan 2019 at 8.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes they are, in the drop down box.
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   Old Thread  #248 11 Jan 2019 at 8.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
PaulieJ your crushed cork s2 pop ups look very interesting and would like to use them but there not listed on your site are they the same price as the normal corkball.
If I was to mesh the pop ups how long would they last and is a13mm able to pop up a size 4 hook.
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   Old Thread  #247 11 Jan 2019 at 8.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Then there are those that bought your product and had little or no success
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   Old Thread  #246 11 Jan 2019 at 7.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark,
No problem bro,
I remember being ratty after a tough week at work. I know how that goes.
The bait industry will be as competitive as any other, and tribal as you call it.
Your bait being successful will tread on others' toes and create envy and resentment. It goes with the territory. I've seen the same scenario myself on carp lakes. Even blokes taking a swing at each other. One swim on my old lake got re-named ringside.
I suppose the saving grace is to remember that the vitriol is not personal. They don't even know you.
They resent your success and the effect it may have on them.
Keep it all in perspective and like you say, you can live with that.
Ian.
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   Old Thread  #245 11 Jan 2019 at 7.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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outstanding
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Not yet paid, resolved, or dealt with.
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synonyms: to be done, undone, not done, neglected, omitted, unattended to, unfinished, incomplete, left, remaining, pending, ongoing.
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   Old Thread  #244 11 Jan 2019 at 6.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've had a long day Ian. It's Friday, at the end of a long and busy week. I'm shattered, I just want to have a bath and crawl into bed.

If I'm touchy, it's for good reason Ian. I am so well versed in the bait game now, and how it all works. I've said it before on here, it's massively tribal now. I get hated by other anglers a lot, for one very simple reason. I came up with something which makes a difference. A real difference. I get anglers telling me all of the time, that they catch five times more on them, than any pop up they have used before. Blokes who will not go fishing with out them. They ain't getting them for free and needing to butter me up. They can't all be lying. People who I don't know from Adam, telling you all on this thread that they smacked somewhere, and caught all the rare ones to boot. I've sold pop ups to some of my real childhood angling hero's. The 'real' ones that don't need to do bait deals or the like. I've had good angler after good angler, tell me that all of the free bait gets left, hook bait goes first, and that they have never seen that before. I already knew, but it's lovely to hear from loads of others to. For every great comment, for every shot in the arm, like everything in life there is a bad side to. Anyone who cannot use them, because they are high profile and connected to a firm, well I'm not their favourite person am I. Not when some normal working bloke with limited time is smacking their tough lake up with them. That's human nature. For every good thing, there is a bad thing to go along with it. The more you stick your head up above the parapet, the more you will get shot at. I don't want to be famous for fishing. I just want to sell a bit of bait, be happy and go fishing. What I sell hook bait wise, is just better than everyone else's because of a process and the end result. Only I know that process. Of course it will upset some people. This forum is a great example. The only people who I have had any, even small crosswords with, is people connected to bait on here. Everyone else is my friend. People who sell bait, or make bait themselves even. They do not like me since I started SHB, right from the off. I can live with that. If no one cared, it would be crap wouldn't it. It's not. It makes people 'care'. When it first started, the bait company I was connected to, I offered 50% of SHB to the boss. He was my friend, and had the yard and everything to start it properly. He refused, told me that my cured cork balls were not the reason I had caught all my fish in a roundabout way. His bait was. They had cork balls already, made by Matt on here. They were not selling them apparently, so he thought no one wanted them. So I went off and done it on my own, with nothing, and used some one else's bait. Three months later, he wanted me back using his bait when it was all kicking off, and undoubtably realised what a big mistake he had made regarding SHB. You think that lot like me anymore? Of course not. LOL

Because I came up with something, that really makes a big difference. Some people hate me. Others tell me it's jealousy. I don't know what it is, but I don't like it.

Here's one for you Ian. Everything I've mentioned on this forum, regarding my own hook bait... I can do it with anyone else's to. I may have put all my focus into the S2 mainly, for my own fishing, but I can do exactly the same thing hook bait wise, with any bait. I could take yours, add some extra ingredients, which would change no colour or smell, put it through our process, which is what's really important. Then give you back carp drugs. In your bait, in a pop up form. I can take what you make, and put turbo chargers on it. If you fished it next to one of your standard ones, it will out fish it. That's because I know my stuff about hook baits. All those companies who brought out a maple/creamy nut type bait, after the S2. Well they are just playing at it really. They thought, that because it's a nut based hook bait, that's it. Bring out a nut bait, winner winner. It's far from it. They were wrong. People like that often are.

I can't do that for you mate unfortunately in the real world, but I could still do it theoretically. Cor, MM would be all over them like a rash I'd bet (smily face, joke).
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   Old Thread  #243 11 Jan 2019 at 5.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark,
The phrase, " with your outstanding PMs ", was not meant as a criticism, but in reference to the PMs you haven't had the time to answer because, as you said, you've been busy sending out orders.
If I had just written PMs, the sentence wouldn't have made any sense.
I then suggested that like you, MM has been too busy to answer your last post.
Re the Cell, I haven't any particular opinion of its effectiveness, or the reasons for its success.
I'm not really interested in the commercial baits, simply because their composition is unknown and unavailable, so can't be subject to chemical analysis or comparison.
What I do know is that large companies in competition, use all sorts of marketing ploys to try and increase market share, and imagine that that bait industry does the same.
I take your point that a product, nevertheless, has to be very good to become a market leader.
Ian.
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   Old Thread  #242 11 Jan 2019 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said Jim, when all of the other companies nowadays in the main, need some one else to go in and formulate their baits for them, mainly Geoff's wisdom, but others to... Mainline do not. It all comes from with in. So who knows then really? Does Geoff know? Of course he does. Do Kev & Steve at Mainline know? Of course they do. Last two freezer baits I've used (through choice)... Geoff's and now Kev & Steve's. There's no flies on me you see, not when it comes to me using the very best of everything, when I'm doing the thing I love, which is fishing.
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   Old Thread  #241 11 Jan 2019 at 4.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There's alot of mainline bashers on here they all call them but I think proof is in the pudding look at growth rates health condition and the amount of fisherys that go strength to strength when they use there bait.

Maybe it's down to how they distribute there bait how one guy as one deal the next as another and the average Joe has to pay full wack in the shop. However even in the shops do deals on bulk now

I have used mainline on test for years have used it on syndicate deals have used to from testers, consultant friends and now I pay full wack from the shop I've gone from hundreds of kilos a year to prob 50k a session. I don't use that much bait now as im not on a fixed water just day tickets. this must be testament of how good it is.

I'm not saying it's the best hnv out there or there isn't better but I've caught everywhere on there stuff always have it on one rod and swap and change on other two.
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