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   Old Thread  #455 9 Feb 2019 at 9.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like a flavour called Krill Hydrolysate flavour. Lol
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   Old Thread  #454 9 Feb 2019 at 8.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They were not hydrolysates
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   Old Thread  #453 9 Feb 2019 at 5.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lucky you
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   Old Thread  #452 8 Feb 2019 at 11.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But what used Shellfish or Regular Sense Appeal to be really? By that what i can guess from the threads in the forum, essentially flavoured hydrolysates, fishy ones (shellfish) or not (regular). Some seem to regard this stuff more as a flavour than a hydrolysate. Given the possibility, that the Sense Appeals of today are no longer that, that they used to be, are there real alternatives? Possibly not, so one could only try to add the flavour of one's choice to a given hydrolysate.
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   Old Thread  #451 8 Feb 2019 at 11.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Shellfish sense appeal, Monster Crab and Secret Agent.
The best bait additive combination I ever used
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   Old Thread  #450 8 Feb 2019 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Still got a bottle down the cellar. Sure I bought it around the same time as the hit and run mix?
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   Old Thread  #449 8 Feb 2019 at 6.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There are some original bottles floating the web, going for some silly, ridiculous money

Anyone compared any of Rodīs 30th revamped flavour range, supposedly concocted from the original recipes, to those back in the day ?
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   Old Thread  #448 8 Feb 2019 at 5.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Funny, but I recall SA getting very little positive reviews back in the day. What was it, fenugreek and garlic oil base? Are we sure it's not misty eyed nostalgia?
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   Old Thread  #447 8 Feb 2019 at 3.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I would pay good money to get the original one!
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   Old Thread  #446 8 Feb 2019 at 3.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Secret Agent on the Hit and Run mix was my goto bait for the river Wye it was like rolling epoxy putty and gunning it out was a work out for the forearms and the SA would as said come back to life on your hands at various times through the week.
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   Old Thread  #445 8 Feb 2019 at 2.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark,

Yes I received the hookbaits this week, with some extra samples as well, thank you for that!

Looking forward to testing them this season.

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   Old Thread  #444 8 Feb 2019 at 1.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
YSC1. Can I ask what that stands for or should I guess?
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That Secret Agent was unreal you could not go near it for a couple of weeks and all of a sudden your hands would just start reeking of it I think Hutchy recommended washing your hands with neat lemon juice after using it.I made the mistake of spilling some in a rucksack pocket once had to throw it away in the end.
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   Old Thread  #442 8 Feb 2019 at 12.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark,
1000% agree with both of your statements.
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   Old Thread  #441 8 Feb 2019 at 12.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Rod Hutchinson, brilliant bait maker, bless him.
But I thought you didn't believe in tank testing?


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   Old Thread  #440 8 Feb 2019 at 12.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #439 8 Feb 2019 at 12.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark, I havenít text you, but have sent you a PM through this forum. Appreciate if you check it mate.
Cheers.
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   Old Thread  #438 8 Feb 2019 at 11.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I hope that you got what you needed Mr Smit

Yes mate, I know I've been 'onto something', for a long old time. I've always shunned away from talking about any of this 'stuff' for a long, long time, so that the slippery rascals cannot copy us. Personal things to do with family have happened in my life recently... And now I'm just of the assumption, 'they' only mess it up anyway... So who cares. I should just talk about it.

Rod Hutchinson knew his stuff. He was God. He was so ahead of his time, it was unreal. People today, do not even understand why certain things were so good. I do. That's not a brag, or a wild assumption. It's a fact. I have written stuff on other threads regarding particles... He understood this long before I ever did, like forty years ago, I'm only forty five.

Secret Agent, to everyone, was a horrible stinky smelling liquid. It opened up a lot of bait makers eyes though. Because of the stuff it undoubtably contained within it. He was a genius, following no one, copying no one. He knew his stuff, because he was a 'wizard' around a carp. I dread to think what that man could do, if he was starting his journey now, and not forty years ago. He would be devastating on a different level.
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   Old Thread  #437 8 Feb 2019 at 10.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This got me thinking aswell. The attractor in scopex for instance is diacetyl. Diacetyl is an undesired by-product when making beer, however there are certain yeast structures that produce extra diacetyl as this is part of the desired end product. If you can get this reaction inside a boilie and stabilize it, I think you'd be on to something..

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   Old Thread  #436 8 Feb 2019 at 7.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Very interesting thread, and this may well be the most basic of basic questions.... Early doors someone mentioned adding icing sugar and yeast to your baits to help with the fermentation. Does this start happening straight away and then put some sort of short 'shelf life' to the baits? Ie will they go over after a week etc????
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   Old Thread  #435 6 Feb 2019 at 9.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ye mate that was me, when you called was Sodís law I was on a call in work. If you donít mind giving me a bell tomorrow thatíd be great
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Very soon mate. They will be on the website. There will be no messing around. When they go up, the standard S2 pop ups will go up at the same time. Both the YSC1 and the S2 standard pop ups, will be in one colour, and one size to start with. Washed out pink the standard S2 pop ups, white the YSC1. When the rush subsides, more colours and sizes will be added.

An S3 white crushed cork is being added to. This needs to be all done and dusted before the spring rush starts, so very soon.

We might lose a hook bait or two, that has not been decided yet. If we did, they would still be available as a special order. Always.

Was that you who I tried to ring back today? If so, sorry I see your text after, I'll ring you again in the morning. I did not finish work till 8pm. Everybody on this forum, who pm'd me, has now text me I think. I have so many texts to reply to tomorrow, I can't face it now.
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   Old Thread  #433 6 Feb 2019 at 9.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When can we get our hands on this one then Mark?
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   Old Thread  #432 6 Feb 2019 at 8.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's been ready to go, for a good while mate. The S2, were developed over years, not for sale... For myself. My own angling. Getting something like that right, whilst trying to run a business, is hard work if you are busy.

Every hook bait that we have brought out, works, because of certain 'things'. This new one, is everything that was learned there, with some completely new stuff, which I have been personally working on for a long long time. It's taken so long, as I do not have the time like I used to, to actually 'develop' stuff.

The 'stuff' that we 'do' in our process, has produced some quite incredible results, when applied to yeasts, and even more so CSL. I'm a bit gutted that I did not go down this route a bit earlier.

We done an activated CSL bait, when we first started. It was to soon. Trying to explain that the hook baits would develop white spores, and smell like a brewery after six weeks... But that this, was when they were fully effective. Was all a bit to much, to soon. We had so many complaints that they had gone off. They were just getting ripe...

This time, that has been stabilised even more... But keeping the electricity where it should be. It's on an entirely new base to. The kick offs inside the bait, are performed by different things, to the S2. They are far more 'active'.

They have already been named... YSC1. Simple. We nearly went for a blockbuster name, like POWER FORCE, or THORS HAMMER. YSC1 will do though. Unless you can think of a better one?
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Well, I'm not going to reply to any post in particular. But now we are cooking on gas! More useful information has gone onto this thread, in the last couple of pages, that a lot of people could possibly imagine.

Like real stuff, that works. Not just that, but you can see the sense of why it works to.

MM, I think you may be getting mixed up between the information, where we cook the hardened coatings on, this is done at high temps in an oven. And what we do with certain oils. Heat is used in many, many ways in making our hook baits, not just for boiling water or warming oils either.





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   Old Thread  #430 6 Feb 2019 at 4.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark
Please donít hurry with a new bait to launch. People didnít solve the riddle with the current ones yet.
Have a mercy on us ... curious .
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MM, Fishpotman said something earlier in this thread, and he had already hit the nail on the head. I cannot even remember what is written on our website now mate to be fair. It was written many years ago, in a rush if I'm honest. The whole website needs a good refresh.

I already 'sorted' what I needed to, many years ago about natural oils, and even natural sugars. For the past few years, I've been playing around with activated yeasts, and CSL's when I can. These are very good, especially the CSL's once properly 'activated'. Corn, is very, very attractive to carp. It's for very similar reasons, to the other things that I have spoken about in this thread.

I'm really not bothered about oils anymore, got that bit totally sorted long since already. I'm just talking to you about them in this thread. We are about to launch a totally different hook bait at some time soon, based around the things in this post. That is all that I have thought about, for quite a while. Not oils mate.

But it has a hell of a lot to do, with fermentation. Like this thread. That's why it has interested me so much, from the start.

To many posts to read while at work, I'll be back later to read them. Some of them look very interesting indeed though!


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   Old Thread  #428 5 Feb 2019 at 8.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I found only two oil with smoke point above 240C. - mustard and avocado ones.
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Fractionated coconut oil and MCT oil are very similar oils ; but are prepared using different methods. MCT oil is a fully " synthetic" version . Neither methods involve " extreme temperatures".
Fractionated coconut oil actually has a lower temperature degradation point ,or smoke point (160C) than coconut oil . ( 177C)

Any oil can easily be emulsified, this does not make the oil "soluble/ miscible " in water in scientific terms , and this can be important.

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If anyone is interested that info was found at a US sports website_ www.onnit.com within the foods section.

Be careful looking, if you look to buy any Emulsified MCF oil - as it comes in a natural plain version, and different flavour blends.

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Thanks. So did i . it's a big help if someone tells you where to look and what to look for.
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   Old Thread  #423 5 Feb 2019 at 6.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I understand, but hope that helps you out
I learnt something looking

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Thank you. Unfortunately I'm 58 and google is not yet my go to source of knowledge. I hate e mails and texts. Would much prefer direct communication. Either face to face or telephone. I understand this is not really feasible in a forum scenario. So we have to resort to misunderstanding due to limits of communication. Does this ring any bells with ayone else? Anyone been banned recently due to lack of clear communication?
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GOOGLE. Google is your friend. type in: emulsified mct, it will probably bring up like .... emulsified mct oil uk,
Seems to be a creamy coconut oil product there you go, you know as much as me, never knew about it, or used it LOL !

Sometimes you have to go find something yourself, you know. Make sense of it.
Do a bit a bit of research, try and understand the information given out by other, more knowledgeable bait makers than me, like I did.

EMCT = emulsified medium-chain triglycerides

What is emulsification? Itís essentially a process that allows two liquids to blend that wouldnít physically or chemically combine otherwise.

ďMediumĒ refers to the number of carbons attached. MCTs fall between 6- and 12-carbon chains.

Oils can contain short-, medium-, and long-chain triglycerides, but most oils are some combination of the three.

Although MCTs can be found in full-fat yogurt, grass-fed butter, whole milk, palm oil and some cheeses, coconut oil is the most concentrated dietary source. Approximately 62% of the total fat is composed of these four MCTs: lauric acid, capric acid, caprylic acid and caproic acid.

While coconut oil is naturally occurring, MCT oil is extracted through a manufacturing process called fractionation. The lauric acid is lost during this process, so in order to maximize this particular MCT powerhouse, lauric acid must be added back into MCT oil.

Think oil and water.
You can shake a bottle of the two liquids together, and they still will not combine. By emulsifying fat, like with emulsified MCT oil, it allows the water and fat molecules to mix easily.

Lipids (fats) are hydrophobic, meaning they have poor solubility in the water-rich environment of our digestive tract. We have this handy enzyme, lipase, to help facilitate the digestion and absorption of fats, but again, itís water soluble.

Bile components emulsify fatty acids to help lipase do its job.
The fat is broken down into smaller globules and then coated with the bile salts and phospholipids, which prevent the droplets from re-combining.
This emulsification of fats increases the surface area for fat to be properly digested and absorbed.

Any clearer to anyone, think I have got a slightly better Idea now.

Maybe Serenity can say if this is sort of correct, what I have found ?

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I'm ignorant. Please educate me where to source emulsified mct. Teasers help no one.
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Talk about make things difficult !

Why try to emulsify MCT when you can obtain ĎEmulsified MCTí ?

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I am aware of mct oil, but have no idea how one would use a suitable emulsifier. The cat may, or may not, be out of the bag. However, without the knowledge to fully utilise it. It may as well be a pig in a poke.
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Meow

emulsified MCT

I am going to guess that MCT ..... is short for Medium Chain Triglycerides.
Triglycerides being a type of fat (lipid)

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Hi Ken,
I havenít used boilies for over 8 years now, so I would rather pass on specific boilie discussions.

Regarding oils, the only one that I know of that is prepared at extreme temperatures is fractionated coconut oil, whereby the long chain fatty acids are removed. Presumably this would withstand further extreme heat without denaturing. I know the late Rod had a serious play with this oil. If you want a water soluble version, try emulsified MCTÖ. Did a cat just escape from the bag?

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I have found that the 'mouldy' bait I have shown had a very brief effective catching life, usually no more that 12-18 hours dependant on air temperature. I freeze mine when they reach the stage shown in my pix. I should stress that these days I prefer to make and use bait as fresh as possible but part of the process always involves freezing at some stage.

Alan: Would love to read your take on this thread.
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But is it the mould that's attractive or the fact the bait is paler/white and more visible?
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ALL edible food grade oils consist essentially of the same class of chemicals ď gentleĒ heat will have no significant affect on any of these oils and certainly provide no improvement in terms of ď attractionĒ or "solubility"

By the way ,correct me if Iím wrong; but didnít your web site mention cooking oils to a ď massively high temperature before it goes into the bait"
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Thanks. Interesting!
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Thanks.
I guess this is unpublished research?
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Yes referencing was carried out using existing data from related chemical testing and where it was considered necessary actual testing was also employed

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And in reply to 400, 401

Theoretically it could be either, for salts and sugars etc it depends on the chemical make up of the boilie , moisture content, degree of /type of porosity and prevailing air conditions.

In terms of moulds generally all they need is oxygen ,moisture , warmth, preferably a low air flow,and a source of nutrients( boilie). Therefore given the right conditions and absence of any mould inhibitors they should be able to form on any boilie. Some spices / essential oils are effective mould inhibitors e.g. Cinnamon

The presence of an " attraction sweet-spot" does sort of marry up with the presence of mould as there will be a point in the nutrient breakdown process ( by the mould) where free amino acids are present, these eventually will be " consumed" dismantled by the mould.

Observed through a magnifying glass sugars, salts etc will have a crystalline regular appearance, moulds will appear "lumpy" and irregular like very small mushrooms. Again under a magnifying glass place a drop of warm water on the deposit ,sugars salts etc will dissolve readily moulds will disperse much slower.

Most deposits I have seen have been associated with moulds
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Why thank you kind sir. It's great that some lush information is being written here by all.

I'm glad you came back MM. I'll reply soon properly, it's very late. No one is heating oils to smoke point mate. Maybe it's just what the research said, it was not what i said. You can heat something vigorously to smoke point, or you can heat something very gently to a much, much lower maximum temperature. And every variation in between. I just used chip fat and cars, as an example. I never said I was cooking oils like that. I said that I heated oils. This does have a big difference with some oils. I've not even tried it on many, but I found one it works incredibly well on. I can prove it to, but it's giving away to much to do that.

Gently heating certain oils, does have a good effect MM. I've never tried to smoke point. That would be a bit silly.
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There is nothing wrong with following the known preferences and facts with baits, boilies, HNV, particles and everything inbetween.

But you can often learn more, going against the norm yourself, or watching close friends results, you know searching, learning and going down into multiple dead ends, as sometimes you will have a light bulb eureka moment.
Then things get turns on it's head. And people go WOW.

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Some persons refreeze boilies multiple times...
Some other ones are arguing which mould is better: white, green or black.
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Bait is such a funny bussiness in one thread people are saying you shouldnt even refreeze boilies in other it is said it is the best when it goes white...
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Hi MM,
There are two types of oils may be regarded concerning the bait:Ē insideĒ oils and ďoutsideĒ oils. The first ones are the oils of ingredients of the bait, nuts for example. The second one is the oil the bait might be cooked in.
I guess it may be some difference of the reaction of these two types oils under cooking one can imagine.

Another point is the type of cooking : heating in an oven, microwaving, roasting or boiling. It was the temperature of 240 C mentioned at the site of SHB applied to the bait as the final treatment.. Most of oils havet the ďsmoke poinĒt below this value but not all. So it is possible to cook baits in oil below itís smoke point.
Then there is a time of heat treatment. Short (shock) treatment as scolding also may be taken into consideration.

We (humans) like carcinogens (chips, fries....). What if these harmful chemicals are palatable for carp from the gustatory point of view? Something is telling me that nobody has tested this issue yet...

It might be not the oils themselves but their byproducts or modified ingredients in contact with oils as well.

Iím not a chemist and not a cook either so itís just my rough and unqualified thoughts.
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Hi MM,
Have there been tests performed on how carp react to these substances that is formed? I see some classes of substances being mentioned both as possible attractants and deterrents but have not not found any published research.

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Hi Ken, hope you are well got to say this is the most interesting thread on here for a long time, the kid has definitely livened it up
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I've also always believed that the white coating on baits is bacteria/wild yeasts. These imo secrete enzymes onto the bait to hydrolise proteins/carbs/fats into it's component parts allowing the bacteria to feed and multiply.
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I've always been led to believe that what people describe as sugars coming out of the bait is in fact mould but that this doesn't affect the effectiveness of the bait, in fact the contrary.
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Hi Chem/MM,

Was just thinking... What are your thoughts (or test results if you have any) ref the 'white spot' effect on boiled Baits... Sugars or spoilage/spores/mould.

Thought you'd be the person to clear this one up?

Ta.
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Thank you, MM. That confirms what I have always understood to be the case.
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And in reply to posts 157, 154
Also had quite a few other enquiries as to when I am going to post on heating oils, as mentioned earlier in this thread.
Here it is;
If edible oils are heated up the oil is degraded in a similar fashion to used cooking oil or oil ( edible) that has stood on a shelf in the shed in an open topped bottle for years .

The following is taken from funded research carried out on human grade edible oils a few years ago, and I am able to provide a generalised synopsis. I have purposely kept the chemistry at a very basic level


Low level heating ( 50C) had little significant affect on the oils composition,as the temperature increased to around 150 - 190C ( depending on the oil) partial breakdown of a small amount of the triglycerides occurred resulting in chemicals being produced that were largely insoluble and not stimulating to carp ( by test as well).
Some of these chemicals had surface active properties; but had no observable affect on the migration of oil into the water medium compared with unheated oil.
There was no significant increase in free fatty acid content or overall change in "solubility"

Once the temperature was above the oils " smoke point" then further significant degradation, due to oxidation/pyrolysis/polymerisation, occurred
The smoke point temperature is dependent on the actual oil used, ( average temp around 220C with some as low as 150 C)

Pertinent facts regarding the additional chemicals detected above " smoke point"are as follows;
- some were considered to be harmful to health and suspected carcinogens( human) , none of the chemicals were considered to be "stimulative/ attractive" to carp
- viscosity increase due to polymerisation as the oil moved to a more "resinous" state
- degradation of the nutritional properties of the oil.

The degree to which oils react to temperature, as described above, is somewhat dependent on their chemical composition

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cheers mark, used a PC this morning and can see them all there now. can you do the s2-glm in a balanced bottom bait?
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Hi Mark,
If you got round to reading Pete's UCN thread on Fishingwarehouse forum, you will see why I focus on the amino feed signal and enzyme research in particular. The drawback is, that it is difficult to understand and involves some fairly high tech chemistry. But if you can crack it, the bait you produce can be absolutely devastating. I'm making it a bit easier for myself, ( and my participating friend ), by trying to do it in paste form.
Re your boosted hookbait technique, it's not something I've come across before, but find very interesting. Having read your posts and your website info, it seems you are cramming attraction into the pop up base using a layering system, which, in the water, is able to release a long term, intense attraction signal.
Whether your signal is a feed or investigating signal, or even a combination of both I obviously don't know.
But your results and those of your customers speak for themselves. What's most interesting is, when you said, that in a fishing situation over a bed of feed, wary carp are induced to keep sampling them.
That is certainly a big edge to have.
If you can and do put what you do into a freezer bait and sell shedloads, then best of luck to you.
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   Old Thread  #394 27 Jan 2019 at 7.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I am an old carper now, Mark, but am never too old to learn. Have to get my 2019 particle stocks in a few weeks, seems I need to buy the hemp in bulk, if I can hide it from my American wife who does not understand our obsession.

Will keep you updated in PM as my year progresses, I have finally discovered one lake that may have the fish quality I have been looking for...... I hope you find one of thee big lake fish you are targeting this year.

Mr Scaly and Dark, cheers...yes I do put out alternate hookbaits to my regular tiger and plastic approach. The catfish usually tell me they love the alternatives much better... but perhaps the S2 s will prove differerent.
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I just found it mate, straight away. On the GLM page. If you're on a phone, that will be why. Rubbish signal. The buttons are PayPal, so you need good signal for the whole page to load with them. Anything payment related, is PP. On a phone, it has to load a lot of info on that page, all those secure buttons.

That will be why. Go on a PC, or wait till you have decent signal.

Listen to me, sounding like a whizz kid... Web designers told me that information, I've just repeated it so many times that I know it off by heart now. I know nothing about that stuff really. At all.
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I already knew that Tim mate, your lakes are vast. But the theory on 'natural' carp rings true exactly the same. I already know, without seeing your lake... That I could come and do what I told you to do... And rip it. There are other things that you should do, like rake on the windward bank. Then shove the sacks of hemp in. One after tother. They will come... Does not matter how big it is. Watch. Stick one of them things down there. When they come, you will not keep your rods in the water mate.

What you said before, I'm just trying to help you achieve what you desire. We have very few natural lakes in the UK, where fish never have to eat an anglers bait to survive. You are fishing waters like that. You need to be doing things differently. It will work I promise you.
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Hi mark, are some of the baits that you do that not on your site? ie glm-gb isnít on there or have you stopped doing this etc?
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Oh, Mark.
A big Ocean fish. The stuff of legend and fable for us old Kent guys!
This and the other long list of superb fish you have posted here make me so happy to browse through. Thank you.

I have, of course, walked the Ocean. It would comprise a small bay in the lakes I fish, honestly.
My current target lakes are between 850 and 20,000 acres.
All need to be accessed by boat, and are between 45 minutes and 5 hours away from me.

As you say, I have the tools, and will continue to prebait the areas my watercraft tells me they will be in at particular times of year.
I do like the idea of regular and massive hemp baiting, too. Will ponder how to apply something like that.

Be well, donít get banned again! At least for a while til someone else riles you up.....
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You're a ****ing hero you are R!! Get off of bait threads, and go tell them all how to stock lakes please!!

I would have known who you are in seconds, yet you probably think that I don't know who you are. How did I remember a random name, when I deal with hundreds of names a day, and call everyone 'mate' or 'darling'.

It's nice to meet, and know who I am talking to now.
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Yes BB, a feed signal. The amino acids you mention and love, are mother natures to. The thing is, you cannot ramp the amino acid up to much, it just does not work in a boiled bait. You can't replicate what is in blood worm or maggots, things like that IMO. If you could, you would have the boilie of all boilies, already. But you can ramp up the natural oils, sugars and salts. That is what I am trying to explain to you. Putting the building blocks of life inside a boiled bait before cooking, is a bit pointless IMO. Far better in free form, like you mentioned before, and me previously on this thread. But to do it properly, you cannot keep it stable, and keep the magic. Crack that, you're there mate.

I've always told everyone BB, that our stuff could not be done in a freezer bait. The reason, because we sell pop ups, and everyone was copying us anyway as it was. So I have always thrown blinds like that out, for those scouring for information. Once bitten... Of course it can be incorporated into a freezer bait. I've done it, and I know. So do others, they have caught some very big fish with them. Everyone around me done a nut mix when we first started, they started bait firms... And then so did everyone else. Mainly through Geoffs excellent nut mix. None of them others have a single solitary clue what I'm talking about in this thread though, they were just re bagging Geoff's bait. Or throwing a small amount of nut in a bait, stuff like that. Not a Danny's. One day BB, maybe sooner than you think... That stuff I've been barking about on this thread a bit, is getting put into a freezer bait on a large scale. I will make sure that happens. Because, then you will see the real mccoy in what a freezer bait can really do. Full fat. I could never outsource that, because no one could ever find out what was 'going on'. That is not a brag, a big mouth assumption, that's cast iron fact. And all those people who were 'playing at it' with that little game, well they are going to see then to aren't they.

They already know between me and you. Watch out for things being said by me on this thread, being replicated elsewhere, as some one else's information in the future. Standard.
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I see Sam, Sam is a mate. Everyone owed you lot a lot. There is a man on Faceache, Roland Wood. I do not know him from Adam, never met him. But he has always popped up on anything to do with RP. He popped up on a lot of my stuff. That bloke knows his onions, about that stock from the start. You must know him.
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Hi Mark,
I think it is generally accepted that a well constructed bait producing an effective feed signal will never blow.
Aminos, being the main source of a feed signal are never going to blow are they?
Angling pressure is the biggest problem we face and the more a water gets hammered the tougher it gets. And that is more to do with fish caution than the effectiveness of the bait.
BB.
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I was thinking of Sam when I wrote that! As Meeky once said to me, "We owe you boys a lot "
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I will get my friend Sam to show me. Of course I would be interested and enjoy it mate, how could I not. The lads who stocked that lake, done it right. Maybe your pals. That's what British carp fishing needs, more of that from people who stock the lakes.
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Lovely ones indeed. Mixture of strains and ages with a lot of stories to tell. There will be a history piece of the pit up to the October 1995 stockings in the 50th anniversary BCSG magazine this year, with fish that have never been publicised. I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
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It's a monstrous shame that they are gone mate. Made me cry. I was not around when they pegged it. The carp in post 32, was the last one I caught. I would have dearly loved to catch Shaun's, The Horse, The Yellow, Jamie's Lin. But the fact was, I was doubling up. I had caught the 50 in the lake three times. I got the Lin, so it was all good. I desperately wanted Shaun's. But it was time to go when I caught that biggun three times so quickly. It's a crying shame what happened, but it was not what was portrayed outwardly at the time. It was the farmer next door who killed them fish, he should have just got his drainage sorted. Not done what he did. Very sad indeed.

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Nope not at all. Was just a note that a bait can blow, after being successful, for whatever reason. But that's a boilie, and no, I've never seen particles blow out, outfished sometimes yes, but not blown.
Your story of the Ocean made me smile. I've fished Cassein a bit, and was told by others, oooh just a handful of bait here and there. We reckoned that was nonsense, that the bait was gone within 5 minutes with the bream, chat and Crays. So our method.... A fermenting bin of hemp, per rod, per day. And a single tiger on the hook, a 3inch bit of amnesia. That produced a lot of carp indeed
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Snake Pit common Mk2. Just because it's great to look at photos of big carp. I look at photographs of other people with big carp, and it makes me want to go fishing. I'm so gutted I'm stuck at work today. Although the weather is rubbish anyway.

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Yes, because you are not talking about a naturally produced thing like I am, are you mate.

Another example. This lovely man, has caught this very sort after big carp from Welly, threes times in quick succession since using something.

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This scaly, and very sort after big fish here. The first photo of it, was the first time the carp world saw it big. A publicity ban ensued. During that publicity ban time, this fish was caught so many times on something being spoken about in this thread. I heard a rumour, that cork balls were banned for a while, because certain people were clubbing them so much. The second photo, that is much more recent. The publicity ban was rescinded. That fish, and the others in that heavily pressured lake... Have been caught on something, over and over again, over many many years. If it 'blew', that would not happen. Natural things do not blow. That's all I am trying to explain mate.

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This fish below is from The Ocean in Kent Tim. It's a big low stock pit on the Johnson's complex. The carp were very natural, super natural. I blanked forever. Like everyone else in the main. Then I thought to myself, I need to compete with mother nature. So I started putting in a sack of hemp a day. Every day for seven days. A lot of wet weight cooked hemp. I carried on putting in a sack a day, and ripped them up. They took two foot off the end of a bar. I had to keep extending my little cork markers, two got knocked off of the bar and plunged into 50 foot, even though they were no where near the bait itself in reality. They just went crazy. Dug it down to flint. I had to dive down from a boat, and clear them after being cut off with a nice fish. People do not realise how much a big carp can consume, when it can actually crap it out as fast as it can eat it!

You have to compete with mother nature Tim. Go off and do it mate. You now have the tools.

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And the venue I mentioned is the same one Mark has just posted fish from, albeit 20 odd years beforehand, and those ones weren't in there then. Shame they've gone now.
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U.S. are wild and un pressured, hence their nomadic feeding, no amount of bait will hold them after mother natures instincts tell them a few carp have been hooked amongst them, so much water to roam in !

Pinpoint bait placement is key, over the actual proven hook bait choice. Stick with the S2 on one rod and a particle on the other, give it time.

I do not believe that there is any one bait that will select the bigger & biggest carp in your venue, whilst it swims amongst lots of singles, doubles, 20's & 30's.

An attractive bait is an attractive bait to any size carp, but Mother Nature will too often throw a spanner in the works and they will pick the odd bait only at a time, be fussy, no matter what you do or try !!
Another thing that may sway it, may be, if it is heavily overloaded with potent additives, or not. The older & wiser carp may avoid it.

Unless you have a baiting situation where you can isolate the feeding bigger fish, like in the clear margins stalking them, or a group of just big fish move in, forcing the smaller ones off the baited area.
Bait the edge where you can, watch, wait and learn, even these wild carp will do things with our super rigs that will open your eyes !!

I found one of the biggest issues besides pin point location where access was not a problem, was keeping on the feeding fish as they move.
Better Weather and Time of year are other big factors, to make them feed harder without care, gorging themselves, some natural food sources like zebra mussels and crayfish can create big feeding/holding areas, you can just catch them, pick them off and slightly move around with the shoal.

Stick with your methods, consistency is key - Happy hunting

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They do not blow mate. They 'know' that it is crap food, in the case of rubbish type boilies. Something else is being put in by some one else, and they prefer that. You can put as much sweetcorn in as you want. If I put some 'magic' sweetcorn into that lake... They are not picking up your sweetcorn anymore. When naturals are kicking off around the lake, they will not even pick up natural baits like sweetcorn, because they are alien to their environment. A supplementary food source, being introduced by man. Put a bloodworm bed kicking off into the equation... EVERYTHING is redundant. The reason some bait brains do not understand this... Is because they know a bit about making bait... But not really as much about fishing. When you live it to, you get to see what works, and what does not. Like properly. This helps you to develop things even more.

There is a member on here, who pm'd me about bait, when I first spoke on this forum. He was asking me about boilies, but the conversation went onto something else. I gave him some advice, of something to try. He thanked me. There is no flies on him. I got a lovely pm back the other day, saying he had done what i said... And caught the biggest fish in his lake on it, straight away. He's a respected member of this forum, and does not need naming. It was nothing that was mentioned in this thread either. But simple. It caught him the biggest one in his lake, in the winter.

Below is the same fish from post 32 on this thread. Twice more, in the same eighteen month period. It also came out to one other bloke, on the same things during that time. That was the biggest fish in that lake. If things blow, why do these very big, heavily pressured UK carp all love whatever is in them so much? Because things do not blow mate. If they really want it, there is no messing about with it at feeding time.

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I wrote about some stuff on Cemtex, absolutely donkeys years ago. About some stuff on this thread. The old boys will all remember. What did I then go do? So the stuff I was talking about back then, went on to help so many normal working blokes, catch so many premium big UK carp? Maybe there was something in that stuff after all. Last time I had this username, I had just come out of hospital. I'd been very ill indeed. I wrote some stuff, other people went off and cashed in on that in some ways. Bait clinics, talks, the lot. Well TCarper is back now after seven years, but he has all these photo's this time. Like, proper photo's. Of big, heavily pressured UK carp. And it's all to do, with stuff he wrote way back when. He just knows a whole heap more now, like so much more it is unreal. Live it for seven years, you refine stuff, you get so much better at it.

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   Old Thread  #372 27 Jan 2019 at 1.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Early 90s so it was the proper stuff all the time.. The ones with the gold labels
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... or there was something different in that s&o bottle next year?
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I've seen the 'blown bait' thing once, and only once, but it did occur. Many moons ago, the top rod on one lake had his fish on Solar S and O, at stupidly high levels, 20ml per 6 eggs, in a cheapo semo/soya/maize type baits. He caught more than twice that of the 'second rod'. Come the end of October, the bites stopped, though the lake had little winter form. Next season, he couldn't buy a bite, nor could others on the same flavour, even in far more HNV type Baits, even at very reduced levels of 1ml per 6 eggs. For a few years afterwards, using S & O was the kiss of death. Whether it was due to the high alkalinity being avoided, or any association with a poor basemix, I've no idea....but it happened!
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   Old Thread  #369 27 Jan 2019 at 1.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Also been following this thread with great interest.
Over here in the US, we have rather a different problem... as you all know our waters are rather larger than the typical U.K. syndicate and ..generally.. angler pressure is much lower Ďper-carpí and per-acreí.

So the baits that work for us are the ones Mark reminds us of, (sweetcorn, maize, tigers, hemp, maples etc). If prepared better, they catch more fish.

But an odd thing happens.. once caught once or twice in an area, the carp often get on their fins and swim elsewhere... Why not, plenty of naturals and no human disturbance. Added to our access problems this can cause location problems from time to time.

And - back to the threadís intent - boilies seem not to register as a food source with our (local, NC) in the same way. Different in some other states, especially in the NE and West Coast.

I still experiment with boilies and hookbaits, to find a way of selectively picking up the bigger fish, but even the mythical S2 has not produced here... yet. This year may change that.

I hope to continue to read the expert thinking here , thanks all, it does get the grey matter working on a cold winters day...
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Nick, I'm working today. I wrote two posts on here, while drinking tea. I don't have time to reply to that properly now as I'm necking a quick tea again, but I will later after work.
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   Old Thread  #366 27 Jan 2019 at 12.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That is a good point about a bait blowing or not. It is usually down to excessive captures. The fish do not stop eating that bait, they 'know' it is food, however they do tend to or may become more wary eating it.

They may leave that bait alone for a couple of days before eating it, or they may start 'testing' the bait; suck and blow etc to see if it is attached to a line and hook.
That is the reason for the hair rig, even rig development, and the reason for changing baits, to improve the fishes confidence.

It could also be done by pre-baiting, increasing the amount fished over, or by creating a baited area with other foods.


I have seen carp avoid freshly introduced baits, sweetcorn, boilies, even other particles until they had been in the water for two days or more. It can take confidence to leave a boilie attached to your hook in place for two days!

I also think 'washed out' baits are a way to try to convince the fish the bait is not new, not recently introduced. I believe though that skinned fermenting baits as in the various pics earlier in the thread, are more attractive than freshly introduced washed out baits, due to the activity of the sugars and enzymes. With washed out baits, this activity has been washed out before being put into the lake losing the attraction.

How though do fermented boilies act once introduced? Is this sugar and enzyme activity going out into the water?

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I've never bought into this bait blowing.
More like a dip in catches which happens all the time and then 'confirmation bias' takes hold and people convince themselves it's the bait. Not helped by bait companies who feel the need to keep on bringing out new baits to fuel the conspiracy. So people change bait catch one or two and 'confirmation bias' comes back into play and people convince themselves the new bait is the bollox.
Not being a bait buff I can't say so for certain but I suspect many new baits are made cheaper and inferior than there predecessors
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Another big misnomer with boilies, is that they get used to something, and it 'blows'. This is rubbish, it's just crap and they don't like it in the first place. Something else just works better. Anything good does not 'blow'. Natural salts, sugars, amino acids and oils do not 'blow'. Tigers and hemp have not 'blown', maggots do not 'blow', sweetcorn does not 'blow'.

I could go on and on forever. There's no need, carp do not get a mystery 'sense' that allows them to let something 'blow'. It's just man made crap in the first place. It can be masked up any way you want it, but it's just crap really.

I did not name it earlier in this thread. A video was about to come out, it would not have been right really. It was the 'Little Grey' I put two photo's of on this thread. It may have been caught on casters by a great angler. But for some four years, spanning four or five captures, it only came out on one thing. Here's another photograph of it with another lovely man called Dan this time.

Stuff does not blow, it's just no good. There is a lot of stuff being spoken about in this thread, that is good, very good. No fishing bait man can compete with mother nature. Mother nature always knows best. You need to know how to control this, but not take away any of mother natures work. Man is very good at a lot regarding attraction, but still not as great as mother nature. Ask yourself what casters actually are? They are man controlling mother nature, so that he can go fishing is what they are. Ask any pre millennial roach/carp anglers that can trot a stick float... What's the best thing since sliced bread. A 'stage' of mother nature is being controlled. Just like the sliced bread, with yeast. Everyone thinks bread is great for fishing because people feed the ducks with it...LOL. It's very attractive to fish, because there is mother nature working away.

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Would you say that is sugars on the boilies below or mould ?
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So when you guys alow your baits to turn do they smell alcoholic or still as they should ? And in your opinion is it mould on those boilies or sugars coming to the surface as it used to be describec with the cell bait when you left them to air dry .
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I should also add, seeing as we are talking about flies and other insects on another thread, that I can't keep butterflies off it. No idea if that means anything, though!

That l be the nectar coming out of them
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Hi Ken,

Was the supplement whey based by any chance?
Some of my old fishing buddies are using a Slovakian bait company that uses it and they did more than ok last year

Best

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They are home rolled birdy/milk/fish with an inclusion of a body-building supplement. No liquids or flavours, they turned while they were being air dried. I can more or less guarantee to make this mix 'turn' but I have found that they are only at their most effective when the water temps are high, say 22-24 degrees. This kind of limits the bait (IMHO) to summer/early autumn use.



I should also add, seeing as we are talking about flies and other insects on another thread, that I can't keep butterflies off it. No idea if that means anything, though!

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I never actually intended to mention that the hook baits were mine... I just got forced into it really by my discussions with MM & BB.

I have no problem never mentioning my hook bait ever again on this forum, or anything I do with bait. Just give me the word. It's people that want to talk to me. I'm very well versed in that this upsets some people now, I was long before I joined this forum as Paulie.

It's life, with the good, always comes bad. You can't have one without the other. I know this better than any angler, or anyone making bait. I deal direct with you lot, everyone else sells through a shop. If the day comes when I do not need to deal with the public anymore, I will bite it, because with that, comes lots of trouble with other bait firms anglers. It's commercial most of the time. You must understand, the small snippets I've told you lot is nothing. I'd never give away the real stuff, because I'm not stupid, and I know that 'they' are all looking in on here. But the snippets I've given you, are massive. People read that and get the ump, because A) they all know full well that I know what I'm talking about, and B) I can back it up, with pics of proper UK 50's. Lot's of them, with working men to, not full timers. Others can not do this. So if they cannot win an intellectual conversation, because in reality they know nothing... They will always reduce it to a row.

Mat from UB Baits could tell you, that me and him have had very friendly pm's, before my inbox blew up. I have no problems with no one on here... I have no need to. It's always people who will have problems with me. That's for one reason.

If thirty of us are having a friendly conversation, there will always be some one who wants to upset that. It's the internet, and it is forums... Not just carp fishing either. It's life.
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What do you have there, Ken?
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A few hand rolled hookbaits from a couple of years back. The useable window was very small before they became spoiled but they worked amazingly well.

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First post was 5th December and no one was interested in it for 3 week before I brought it back to the top and now we've reached 350 posts I suppose we can be forgiven for meandering along the way
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Another couple of days and they'll be perfect
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Weren't we originally supposed to be talking about fermenting boilies?



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Let's keep it on track please gents
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Forever. There is no preservatives, the process we use, means that they will keep. The smell will go a bit after time, but it's still there. The cork is a vessel, which will continue to 'draw' over time. So it gets sucked into the cork. Lot's think that they are no good then... They are actually even better, after six months, when the smell has gone. They actually work better than when new. There's a good reason for that to. We are stabilising things by the process, but given time, there will still be some extra stuff working away inside the bait. Despite it not actually going off. After six months, you will see tiny white specs on the S2. There will be no alcohol smell. These are fully ripe. If it was destabilised anymore than it is, they would go off and stink rotten after four- six months or so. I have had tubs for four years, as a test. Still perfect.

I used to make them, and try to keep them for at least six months before using them myself... Long before SHB was started. They were lethal. Can't do that now, and there's no need really. But they will actually get better, not worse is the point.
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Aah, that's music to my ears. Iīll be getting on the corkballs then.

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Hi mark, how long do your corkballs keep for? Got some of your glm-gb in my bag from a while back obviously gone a bit hard but wasnít sure if they are still usable or not
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No you can re use them, especially the cork balls. The cork will refill the bait as it dries.

When we first started, a group of three Anglers went to Telliats. They had 15 S2 between them, and caught so many fish on those 15 S2 cork balls, it was unreal. They were drying out used ones, that had already landed two fish, and catching again, on the same one the next day.
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What have I done now? I can't see his message as it's been wiped. I'm not moaning at Ken or Mat anyway, if he meant me. I'm not moaning at anyone, I'm just here, minding my own business, talking to you lot.



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Thanks mate for the kind words. I already know what is going to happen though, so no need for any feed back honestly. We have been selling them for six years, and I have used them myself for far longer than that. That tank test you done, wait till you use them on carp, in a natural environment. I already said before, never sent them to Norway, your carp will go absolutely wild for them. They excel in cold water to.
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Nobody's moaning at Ken and Mat, so maybe you should leave the guy alone.
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Hi Jon,
Self serving or not, it sure brought some needed life into the bait section. Testing and feedback from forum users will probably show how good it is. Anyway, I like that it is something a bit new, the whole bait business is a bit stagnant and could use a kick up the backside.
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Totally agree with that Mark, when stalking I've seen carp go right up to a wafting hookbait then spook off it at the last minute. After seeing that several times I always want my hookbaits with some buoyancy but touching the bottom.
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Yes, me too. Madness really . .
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Feel your pain. mate Trials & tribulations of overseas shipping costs Many a times, iīve had to pay postage costs that exceed the actual price of the items ordered.
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HiīMark . . or other S2 users.

Silly question perhaps, but . . . being a tight git and having the added expense of overseas shipping costs I'm in the habit of reusing my popups(scent from hell) after each session.
Would there be any sense in reusing the S2īs or would it be the case that a lot of the initial magic has gone once they have been in the water for the night ?
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Great stuff, can you do the balanced baits in all the range or just the s2?
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Yes mate they are totally weightless. They might just hover over the hook, but likely just touching bottom.

I don't personally like wafters, which is why we don't actually make them. I don't want a hook bait flying up into the air when a big carp moves, as it 'marks' it as dangerous when they see it tethered to a lead. I want the weight out, but not for it to be flying around if a roach farts. I over weight my pop ups for the same reason. A carp has quite a suck. To much 'waft' is not a great thing on a tethered rig.

It's also the reason the naked chod is so effective... That's the only rig I will critically balance. It's not tethered to a lead.
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Still is man😍
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Jeysus that Starys has put some size on. A mate had that out at K1s 1st ever 40.

Please put a photo up of that 'The one'. If it's the fish I am thinking about I saw that at low 20 a long time ago and it really was stunning...
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Hi mark, I know your mad busy and canít answer pms so thought it might be easier to get you on here. Do you do wafters in your range of baits, I can see the s2 has balanced bottom baits, are they basically wafters or do they actually sit on the bottom like a slow sinking bait?
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Is that a pop up Jon? You seem to want to draw me back into something there, something that I've not even said, but some one else. I was talking to people who have pm'd me Jon, who's pm's I have read, but could not reply to. So I put it into one post. I also answered why, the two people had both wrote about their mouths welling up. It's nothing that has not been said before. You just did not see it, that's all. I'm in such a great mood today Jon, and that will continue.

As far as a selling exercise... Let's get some thing right here Jon. I have made not a penny from this forum. I have lost money. The foreign lads will testify that some paid for one tub of pop ups and UK postage... But were sent four tubs, at Euro signed for rates. Everyone else got enough freebies, to more than wipe out any profit.

During the same time, I made a lot of profit from Faceache and Instagram, like a lot, lot more to. If it was an advertising process, I'd be writing this on Faceache or Insta, for 100,000 anglers to see it... Not you and 500 others Jon. What you are saying does not even make sense if you know all that.

But honestly, don't let all that stop you 'Sherlock'.

Have a great evening again Jon. If I wanted to sell stuff, I'd be posting stuff like this below on Instagram Jon with the message from the captor attached... Not talking to you lot about it. That's simple maths Jon. I'm actually doing your forum a lot of good Jon, numbers are up. That's good for this forum, even if it's not for certain members.

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"Hi Mark, just a quick update...
Its been a very successful first season for me on Horton K1.
Last week I had 5 fish, including the lake biggie "Starys" at 53lb 6oz,,, A true English 50+! I also caught a fish called "The One", 36lb which is a fully plated mirror. Many many thanks for the superb hook baits, and helping me to fulfil my dreams! Regards Martin"
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   Old Thread  #323 23 Jan 2019 at 4.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark

After Boycie's post I thought I was up for a bit of detective work, always fancied myself as a bit of a Sherlock as well.
After your post it seems it's all been a boilie flogging excersise, very clever indeed, you certainly duped me and put my Sherlock powers to shame.
However I wish you well with your endevour, but you could have added so very much to the forum, unfortunately for me your posts will always now come across as more self serving than informative now. Which is a shame considering the "younger" audience posters enjoy on here

Best

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   Old Thread  #322 23 Jan 2019 at 4.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Got my order, thanks Mark.
It's a lid on the lakes here so no fishing for a while but I did a small tank test, as I know you really rate tank testing
Just soaked the bait for a few minutes and poured a bit of the water in a tube ending under the gravel. It did cause a fair bit of digging so it's definetly something in there that work.
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   Old Thread  #321 23 Jan 2019 at 2.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Guess iīll have to get me a tub of S2s, as soon as the lid lifts
Effort = reward Looks like youīre onto a Winner there, Mark All the best for the future, mate
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   Old Thread  #320 23 Jan 2019 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Thank you all for the kind words, it's very much appreciated. I have a ton of pm's that are unanswered. I'm not being rude again I promise, we are so busy at the moment it defies belief, I was working till 11pm last night. All pm's will be checked as orders go out, to see if I need to chuck any freebies in to a name. I don't have any time right now to reply to them though, I will though.

All of your stuff will be with you soon if you have not got it yet, I did warn earlier that later orders connected to here would be waiting a bit longer, as we were so busy anyway away from here. You'll all have it soon, and you'll all get some freebies like the others if I have that pm. I could not see the pm's for two days, for other reasons. I can now.

It's all about the taste. Nothing else. Forget what they smell like. That taste, is why they will pick them up again and again, even if they eject them once, like they do. That taste goes through the water, like a bolt of lightning. What is happening in your mouth with your taste buds, is what happens under water to. Think of it like a human based drug, that you may know or love, like coffee or nicotine. It's moorish, it needs to be investigated. It creates the same sensation as you felt in your mouth. They like it a lot. They get caught.
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   Old Thread  #319 22 Jan 2019 at 10.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The clues are all in this thread if you look for them.

Oh, and don't worry about Skear, he's not as far away as you might think.
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Look forward to your explanation on olis...
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Welcome back Geeza
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Them S2s are nectar
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Hahaha,

One of the forum's more priceless incidents

"What a gorgeous day it is today, the sun is shining, the birds are singing... And everything is wonderful in the world."

Not for Skear it's not, he'll be writhing on the naughty step like a a chicken at the slaughter house if he gets wind of this.

Congrats Mark on the shortest ban ever.......

Now we have to figure out which mod has a humble pie all to himself

Best

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Looks like I will end up eating more than I use then
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They do, unreal lingering
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Welcome back mate can't wait for my order to turn up,
Just want to see if they taste as good as everyone is saying
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And welcome back from me, too, Mark.
Well done mod, too.
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Mark Have received my order thanks for the extra pot
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Welcome back from your daft ban mark
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Top man, Mark-many thanks for the Ďextrasí with my S2 order😎👍
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Someone has seen sense.
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Amazing what a free pot of s2 's can do !!
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Welcome back Mark, I suppose you can answer my PM now
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Welcome back...
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What a gorgeous day it is today, the sun is shining, the birds are singing... And everything is wonderful in the world.

I hope you lot are all good

Thank you whoever took that ban away.
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   Old Thread  #299 22 Jan 2019 at 11.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Mark certainly livened it up for a bit, added to rather than took away from the forum that's for sure.
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   Old Thread  #297 22 Jan 2019 at 8.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And loooong extended silences
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   Old Thread  #296 22 Jan 2019 at 6.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A really interesting thread that got the old grey matter working and sparked an interesting debate with a few stunning carp thrown in for good measure, Mark was/is a character but i always enjoyed his posts and alternative theories and its a ****ing shame its ended like this , so many good threads ruined by egos and jealousy and ulterior motives, hope you get to come back Mark as i for one thoroughly enjoyed your writings
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   Old Thread  #295 22 Jan 2019 at 5.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
What did I miss, whatís happened? Markís been banned?
PM me if you donít want to openly reply.
It seems to be a typical pattern on these forums,unfortunately... old boys club...
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   Old Thread  #294 21 Jan 2019 at 10.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís getting late, just going to watch an old school carper video to put me off to sleep mate. Hoping for a nice big crack shot with a side of prolonged heavy breathing.
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   Old Thread  #293 21 Jan 2019 at 10.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pathetic jealousy. Not that he/they will have the balls to admit it.
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   Old Thread  #292 21 Jan 2019 at 10.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Absolute Joke, some great moderators then a complete cock which has done the sponsors no favours by doing something so obvious. It is a shame because he wrote a lot of good posts and the fish that are caught on his baits I could look at all day.
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   Old Thread  #290 21 Jan 2019 at 9.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sounds like a load of old bird seed to me mate.
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   Old Thread  #289 21 Jan 2019 at 9.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So someone connected with Proper Carp Baits comes on and deliberately winds him up and then itís Mark that gets banned, I know of another company that wanted him gone as well
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You have been warned





If I wanted to hear an ******** I would fart...
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Probably got himself banned on purpose to get away from you, you boring ****
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Well, if you read this Mark I wish you all the best for the future

Bit of controversy no doubt, thatís character, but a wealth of useful and thought provoking knowledge and information too

Wish I had found out what you were doing with that oil lol

Twas a great thread this, knew there was a reason I kept visiting

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   Old Thread  #285 20 Jan 2019 at 5.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And no carcinogenic aftertaste at all?

Then Iím still even more hard looking for my order to come
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   Old Thread  #284 20 Jan 2019 at 4.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Had the same thing, well over an hour for it to go
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May the force be with you both.
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   Old Thread  #282 20 Jan 2019 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I got mine yesterday and yep, they taste superb. Not a clue what's in them to taste so good but I want some to make my own grub with.. 😂
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   Old Thread  #281 20 Jan 2019 at 2.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Well, I received my order from SHB, very impressed.

Anyone else who has got any, before you waste them on the fish what you need to do is to actually try one yourself!!
On Josh's recommendation I eat one and WOW!! Took about an hour to get the taste out of my mouth and the smell out my nose. never had a bait do that before.
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   Old Thread  #280 19 Jan 2019 at 7.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Rich man you are!
Iíve got 1,5l left only
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I got some squid from Feedstim but have not gotten around to test it much yet.
I agree the krill is or was a cracking additive. Wish I saved more than I did.
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   Old Thread  #278 19 Jan 2019 at 5.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I like the squid, Viking. Steve at Shoreline Baits makes his own
I picked some up last year after popping along there. Nice and fresh, and he had two different types he was playing around with. But, yes, the Krill is lovely, your old NB stuff was cracking, as is the Bacarel product.
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   Old Thread  #277 19 Jan 2019 at 5.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have got access to a similar hydrolysate. However there is some differences that I believe makes this less effective than the krill.
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Bacarel and Callum at BAF have none now either.
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Stocks are dwindling rapidly Ö got 5L of the old Krillicious left, in the bait kitchen
The good stuff is hard to find CC Moores have pulled Krill Amino Compound from their range of products, as itīs no longer being produced by the manufacturer, probably for the next couple of years.
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   Old Thread  #274 16 Jan 2019 at 8.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi BB,
Yes, I think I have to have a look at that. Last time I asked they was out but that is a while ago.
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Hi Viking,
The Krill Protein Hydroysate liquid sold by Bacarel Express looks a good bet.
It's made by Sopropeche who give a product analysis data sheet.
The amino profile looks good and it contains 64% of short chain peptides less than 500 Daltons.
For those unaware, Sopropeche make CPSP90 the best pre digested fishmeal.
BB.
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Yes it was. I don't know if that quality is available anymore.
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Hi Viking,
It is Krilicious... isnít it?
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Hi Fishpotman,
70 gram per kilo of the real thick liquid.
Never seen it spray dried.
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It will not be fermenting mate in the tap water. As Viking said to you, your ingredients are to light, and as Viking also said, probably to many solubles in there to. Slow them down a touch, and add some weight by adding some blood plasma. Good stuff for what you require, if you do not wish to cut certain ingredients. Don't need to go mad, and you'll ruin the bait if you do. Start at 5%.

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Hi Viking,
You mean 70gr of krill hydrolisate? In powdered form? Where did you get i? Iíve got it only in liquid one.
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Hi,
I had the same issue with one batch of boiles with a high krill meal content. After a while some of them popped to the surface. This was in summer. Maybe a combination of co2 from fermenting and heavy solubles leaking from the bait (mine was 7% krill hydro)
We put some heavier ingredients in and it was sorted.
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Hi Mark,
Iíve repeated the test with the pond water. 4 out of 7 ball rised to the surface after a day and a half being in the water. This time the baits were straight from the freezer, so the time till the rise were increased a little bit. No bubbles this time mate. But ... you were right... there are light ingredients in the mix - krill meal and a mix of milk proteins. Frankly iíd forgotten to add eggshell to the mix and been rather amused seeing the balls dropping to the bottom. But nevertheless.... something is getting them floaty. Fermenting?
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for pm Have sent you one
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Thanks for the PM and advice re tiger juice 👍👍
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Sounds like they all have your number Danny. Bad internet times mate.

I replied to every PM last night. Sorry for the late replies.

You should all thank Karlos (I think) the forum owner. Don't know him, never spoken to him. But he's allowed you lot to all get a load of free stuff on top of your orders. He's allowed the Euro lads to get free extra postage to. No need to thank me via pm, thank him. If he pm's me his delivery address, I'll thank him to.
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Theres a surprise, Danny talking sh1t as normal...
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I think you need to mesh it. Danny will probably show you in Stinking Tackle 1.
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Danny gets to the park early to empty the turd bins.
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Hi danny,
Pleased to meet you. I've got all your DVDs.
I wonder, had you thought of making a Thinking Tackle episode showing us how to use them?
Give my regards to the rest of the crew. They seem like nice boys.
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Will drop you a PM about something similar to this thread which I think you may have done before.
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I just hope Danny's fishing skills are better in real life mate.
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   Old Thread  #254 12 Jan 2019 at 9.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You should fish with dogturds mate, you'll save yourself a fortune.
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   Old Thread  #253 12 Jan 2019 at 9.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When the fish are on it , they'll eat dog turds.
Bait is overrated in Carp Fishing, obviously due to £££££ .
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I know Ian. I was ratty yesterday mate, it had been a long week. It's easy to take things the wrong way online, and I did. Apologies.
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You can lead a horse to water... But you can't make them drink it. I ain't the reincarnation of baby Jesus, and there's no miracles.

Sometimes carp are not going to get caught on anything, for various reasons. It ain't the baits fault. But so many anglers (not you), chop and change, and when they are back in with a chance of clumping them big style... They are using the wrong bait, or rig. Because they chopped and changed.
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   Old Thread  #250 11 Jan 2019 at 8.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So they are need to get my eyes sorted. Sorry
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Yes they are, in the drop down box.
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   Old Thread  #248 11 Jan 2019 at 8.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
PaulieJ your crushed cork s2 pop ups look very interesting and would like to use them but there not listed on your site are they the same price as the normal corkball.
If I was to mesh the pop ups how long would they last and is a13mm able to pop up a size 4 hook.
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Then there are those that bought your product and had little or no success
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Hi Mark,
No problem bro,
I remember being ratty after a tough week at work. I know how that goes.
The bait industry will be as competitive as any other, and tribal as you call it.
Your bait being successful will tread on others' toes and create envy and resentment. It goes with the territory. I've seen the same scenario myself on carp lakes. Even blokes taking a swing at each other. One swim on my old lake got re-named ringside.
I suppose the saving grace is to remember that the vitriol is not personal. They don't even know you.
They resent your success and the effect it may have on them.
Keep it all in perspective and like you say, you can live with that.
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   Old Thread  #244 11 Jan 2019 at 6.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've had a long day Ian. It's Friday, at the end of a long and busy week. I'm shattered, I just want to have a bath and crawl into bed.

If I'm touchy, it's for good reason Ian. I am so well versed in the bait game now, and how it all works. I've said it before on here, it's massively tribal now. I get hated by other anglers a lot, for one very simple reason. I came up with something which makes a difference. A real difference. I get anglers telling me all of the time, that they catch five times more on them, than any pop up they have used before. Blokes who will not go fishing with out them. They ain't getting them for free and needing to butter me up. They can't all be lying. People who I don't know from Adam, telling you all on this thread that they smacked somewhere, and caught all the rare ones to boot. I've sold pop ups to some of my real childhood angling hero's. The 'real' ones that don't need to do bait deals or the like. I've had good angler after good angler, tell me that all of the free bait gets left, hook bait goes first, and that they have never seen that before. I already knew, but it's lovely to hear from loads of others to. For every great comment, for every shot in the arm, like everything in life there is a bad side to. Anyone who cannot use them, because they are high profile and connected to a firm, well I'm not their favourite person am I. Not when some normal working bloke with limited time is smacking their tough lake up with them. That's human nature. For every good thing, there is a bad thing to go along with it. The more you stick your head up above the parapet, the more you will get shot at. I don't want to be famous for fishing. I just want to sell a bit of bait, be happy and go fishing. What I sell hook bait wise, is just better than everyone else's because of a process and the end result. Only I know that process. Of course it will upset some people. This forum is a great example. The only people who I have had any, even small crosswords with, is people connected to bait on here. Everyone else is my friend. People who sell bait, or make bait themselves even. They do not like me since I started SHB, right from the off. I can live with that. If no one cared, it would be crap wouldn't it. It's not. It makes people 'care'. When it first started, the bait company I was connected to, I offered 50% of SHB to the boss. He was my friend, and had the yard and everything to start it properly. He refused, told me that my cured cork balls were not the reason I had caught all my fish in a roundabout way. His bait was. They had cork balls already, made by Matt on here. They were not selling them apparently, so he thought no one wanted them. So I went off and done it on my own, with nothing, and used some one else's bait. Three months later, he wanted me back using his bait when it was all kicking off, and undoubtably realised what a big mistake he had made regarding SHB. You think that lot like me anymore? Of course not. LOL

Because I came up with something, that really makes a big difference. Some people hate me. Others tell me it's jealousy. I don't know what it is, but I don't like it.

Here's one for you Ian. Everything I've mentioned on this forum, regarding my own hook bait... I can do it with anyone else's to. I may have put all my focus into the S2 mainly, for my own fishing, but I can do exactly the same thing hook bait wise, with any bait. I could take yours, add some extra ingredients, which would change no colour or smell, put it through our process, which is what's really important. Then give you back carp drugs. In your bait, in a pop up form. I can take what you make, and put turbo chargers on it. If you fished it next to one of your standard ones, it will out fish it. That's because I know my stuff about hook baits. All those companies who brought out a maple/creamy nut type bait, after the S2. Well they are just playing at it really. They thought, that because it's a nut based hook bait, that's it. Bring out a nut bait, winner winner. It's far from it. They were wrong. People like that often are.

I can't do that for you mate unfortunately in the real world, but I could still do it theoretically. Cor, MM would be all over them like a rash I'd bet (smily face, joke).
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   Old Thread  #243 11 Jan 2019 at 5.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark,
The phrase, " with your outstanding PMs ", was not meant as a criticism, but in reference to the PMs you haven't had the time to answer because, as you said, you've been busy sending out orders.
If I had just written PMs, the sentence wouldn't have made any sense.
I then suggested that like you, MM has been too busy to answer your last post.
Re the Cell, I haven't any particular opinion of its effectiveness, or the reasons for its success.
I'm not really interested in the commercial baits, simply because their composition is unknown and unavailable, so can't be subject to chemical analysis or comparison.
What I do know is that large companies in competition, use all sorts of marketing ploys to try and increase market share, and imagine that that bait industry does the same.
I take your point that a product, nevertheless, has to be very good to become a market leader.
Ian.
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   Old Thread  #242 11 Jan 2019 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said Jim, when all of the other companies nowadays in the main, need some one else to go in and formulate their baits for them, mainly Geoff's wisdom, but others to... Mainline do not. It all comes from with in. So who knows then really? Does Geoff know? Of course he does. Do Kev & Steve at Mainline know? Of course they do. Last two freezer baits I've used (through choice)... Geoff's and now Kev & Steve's. There's no flies on me you see, not when it comes to me using the very best of everything, when I'm doing the thing I love, which is fishing.
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   Old Thread  #241 11 Jan 2019 at 4.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There's alot of mainline bashers on here they all call them but I think proof is in the pudding look at growth rates health condition and the amount of fisherys that go strength to strength when they use there bait.

Maybe it's down to how they distribute there bait how one guy as one deal the next as another and the average Joe has to pay full wack in the shop. However even in the shops do deals on bulk now

I have used mainline on test for years have used it on syndicate deals have used to from testers, consultant friends and now I pay full wack from the shop I've gone from hundreds of kilos a year to prob 50k a session. I don't use that much bait now as im not on a fixed water just day tickets. this must be testament of how good it is.

I'm not saying it's the best hnv out there or there isn't better but I've caught everywhere on there stuff always have it on one rod and swap and change on other two.
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When you say "with your outstanding PM's" BB. You could easily say PM's, but you choose to say something else. That's the only reason why mate, so I explained that i was talking to the people whom I had not replied to. I did not want them to think I was being rude, that's all. I get anglers thinking I'm ignoring them all of the time. Example, we currently have 227 unread messages on Instagram, from after Xmas. How will I reply to them? It will take me two days to read them mate. After a year of SHB, we turned the message system off on our business page on Faceache. Go check. A lot of people will be finding it novel, that they can talk to me on here via PM, trust me. I get seriously moaned at about this, which is why I even mentioned it.

You get what it says on the tin with me BB. Twice I offered an olive branch to your friend MM, twice he disappeared. Yeah of course I know he's just busy.

I suppose you think that Cell sells so much, because of Korda, and TV. Here's a bit of factual information for you mate. Not theory. The first time I ever spoke to Kev Knight, I told him, if I had a pound for every time some one had asked me for a Cell cork ball made and 'cured' by us, I'd be doing alright. I get to see what every one loves mate, with no bias at all. I deal with all bait companies customers, all of them. I don't get asked for other stuff, I used to get asked over and over again for Cell, virtually on a daily basis at one point around 2014/15/16. I also get all of the same blokes, telling me that it's the best freezer bait they have ever used. Normal blokes. With no reason to lie to the owner of another bait company. Some of my friends, will use nothing else but Cell freezer baits, and they pay for it to. They could probably get free bait elsewhere if they tried.

Of course Korda or TV will help massively, but without the bait being what it needs to be, it does not become the biggest seller/catcher for just that reason alone. If it's crap, it's crap. And everyone will soon find out don't you worry about that. Anyone who says Cell is crap, has a vested interest in something else, and wished they had the biggest selling/catching bait of all time in the UK. Simple.
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Hi Mark,
You seem to have seen implications in my post that are simply not there.
It was fairly innocuous with a touch of humour.
Re your outstanding PMs, I was just pointing out that MM is probably as busy as you to be able to action everything in a favourable time frame.
Why on earth would it upset me if you have outstanding PMs?
Re the Cell, I asked if it was also the biggest seller, because that adds qualifying info to the original bare statistic. If it has become the most successful commercial bait, I would think there are other contributing factors involved, rather than anglers just catching plenty of fish using it.
Anyway, I did say I knew it was a simple statement made in order to help a new member and credit to you for that.
I would have thought by now Mark, that you could see that, with me, you get exactly what it says on the tin.
Ian.
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   Old Thread  #238 11 Jan 2019 at 2.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have to agree with that, there has to be more to the cell than just the volume sold, of course it's not the only bait that will catch carp, but if you are just starting out or confused by the vast amount of different baits out there then cell is a fantastic bait wherever you take it.
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   Old Thread  #237 11 Jan 2019 at 1.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What about the popularity of Cell on the continent - comparable to the UK? On my own pits in Germany hardly an angler uses cell, but i am not aware of the sales figures in Europe.
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   Old Thread  #236 11 Jan 2019 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ouuuuuuu BB, talking about your mate drew you back look. My outstanding PM's? . I was just talking to all the people who have PM'd me BB, you might see one of them put a thumbs up just after I posted it. He could tell you, and many others I have not replied to any of them yet. I have to many PM's to reply to mate at the moment. I hope it does not upset you, it should not.

Yes more Cell has been sold than anything else BB. Do you know why? Or do you need me to explain it to you? It's because when anglers go fishing with the Cell, they catch loads of fish.

I tried to explain this to you and your mate earlier. When something is exceptional, you will sell a lot of it. If you have a large company today with a big advertising budget, it helps a lot. Internet chatter, is internet chatter. Anyone who has the real deal, you'd be making money from it. Or some one would have you making a lot of money for them. Carp fishing and bait is big business these days if you had not noticed. If a bait is no good, anglers will use it for a while and jog on. If something is the biggest seller, and biggest catcher of all time, it's for a reason.

Internet bait guru's may wish that it's just down to advertising, and otherwise they themselves would have the best stuff sliced sliced bread. But it's not true. It's just wishful thinking. Yes you can start a bait company and do well if you have millions to start with nowadays and want to buy all the better anglers. But if you are going to start one from nothing, you need the real deal. I've had people who want to get 'into it all', who want to buy my company. More than one.

The Cell is the biggest selling bait, because it is the biggest ever catcher of carp in the UK. It would never have happened, if both were not the case.
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   Old Thread  #235 11 Jan 2019 at 12.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I wonder whether it is also the case that far more Cell has been sold than any other bait?

Of course
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Hi Mark, ( or would you prefer Pauline? ).
I'm sure you and MM will become internet friends. He may just be playing hard to get.
Or, more likely, he runs a busy schedule and like you with your outstanding PMs, has to fit everything in where he can.
Re your assertion that Cell has caught more carp than any other freezer bait, I wonder whether it is also the case that far more Cell has been sold than any other bait?
Anyway, I understand the point was to suggest a successful bait to the new member.
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Me to. I thought me and MM were going to be internet friends.

To everyone else whom has ordered anything, a lot has gone out today and will be there tomorrow, the rest is going out Monday and Tuesday. Your orders are all intertwined with a hell of a lot of others that are not from this forum. I have spent two hours this morning looking at PM's, and chucking free stuff in for you all. You cost me a fortune LOL. I will reply to every PM at some point, but I physically cannot yet. It's not me being rude I promise. The Euro lads, yours has all gone today, you cost me a fortune to you scoundrels.
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I am looking forward to your elaboration about the oils.

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Don't use tap water to test anything like that, unless it has sat on the side for a night, it has so much dissolved oxogen in it.

When your bait is popping up, all of the bubbles will have attached to the bait. Do it again and watch, it's all these tiny little bubbles that lift the bait. Normally these will all rise to the surface, if there is a bait in there they will attach to that instead. A bait will only rise, once it has started decomposing. Or if you have some very light ingredients.
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The one time Iíve ever sent a sensible post and predictive text ****s it for me.

Just reading back through these posts about sweating up your baits do you think it would be better described as being Ď ripe Ď , itís like a piece of fruit that is at its maximum sweetness and is just about to start deteriorating, weíve all seen wasps around fruit and berry trees at certain times of year Iím sure itís a similar situation.
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Hi mate
I will send you some if it catch anything.

Iíve got another wonder one. May be you can explain what is going wrong with a bait when it comes to the surface after a day in the water at the bottom. Bottom bait turning into popup huh?
Tap water, room temperature...
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Hi mate. Can I use your bait? It sounds nice
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Don't listen to what 'they' all tell you, half of it is rubbish. Go on what you know is a fact. Cell has caught more carp, than any freezer bait ever constructed. Can't really go wrong can you. That will work all year around to.

Sweet corn, tigers and hemp will catch you bundles mate
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I think Pauline is a very lovely name. I would in no way mind being called Pauline.
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I think the mixing of the two was probably a sales ploy, I know some old hands at the bait game, some of them very successful anglers, not one of them would dream of using a shelf life bait.
We used the grange when it first came out and I was told to let it sweat up.
I fished a lake one evening and got on some fish and had three twenties in 3 hours which would make my day now so you can imagine what it was like back then.
I went back the following day but the bait had lost Ď that Ď look and smell, same swim fish were still in there and could not buy a bite, the bait had gone to far.
We took the grange to the river lea and fed it to the barbel under a tree, they went nuts on it in its prime sticky condition, took the same bag back two days later they showed a bit of interest but I only saw one bait get eaten.
Defiinetly something in it.

Anybody know Paulineís real name ?
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I spent a couple of years recently playing around with shelf lifes, versus freezer baits after Gary Bayes and Shaun Harrison commended them. Gary Bayes recommended a mix of the two, freezer and shelfies.

With the shelf lifes, if I mixed them with freezer baits, I would or could catch on day 1 or 2 with shelfies. If I fished day 3 or 4 the what were frozen baits would start outfishing them.

I then, in an attempt to save space in my home freezer, used shelf lifes exclusively for a year or two. My catch results dropped big time on my syndicate water, but on the day ticket runs water I still caught.

I also played with baits air dried with no preservatives in them, compared to freezer baits. I noticed when I air dried them that I went past the sticky sweet state to dry, without mould. These air dried baits were effective, more so I think than shelf life. However, I personally noticed that air dried baits went soft faster than frozen baits, I think because they took water on faster. If you used them on the hook, you had to drill them to get them onto the hair, and mesh them to stop them coming off the hair.

Years ago Ken T recommended Trigga being at its best after it turned white and sticky, I think Grange CSL was also mentioned in the same article. I concur, Trigga was awesome slightly turned, with the white sugars etc on the surface.

There is a massive difference between the sticky white sugars and mould on the surface, and actual mouldy baits can be ignored. Also I found some baits that had a slightly 'off bacon' smell that were turning were not as effective as sickly sweet smelling turning baits.

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Hi

thanks so much for that I sort of panicked reading all that information it was a bit mind blowing so I need to re set the brain, the other thing is there are so many bait firms that tell you they are the best so its still confusing to pick one and stick with it I don't want to be buying different baits
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No mate, you don't need them. You need sweet corn, hemp, tiger nuts, and a great off the shelf freezer bait.A tub of shop bought pop ups. Mainline Pineapples are wicked.

You'll catch untold, you really don't need anything more. I designed the hook baits being spoken about here more recently in this thread, for great big lakes, and some of the most tricky/busy smaller lakes in the country. For myself and my own fishing, nothing to do with money. Fishing. I did not need any special hook baits when I had been fishing as long as you mate, and nor do you.

Please do not take offence at that. I could tell you different, and probably make some money from you.

Don't want to.

I've written plenty on this forum already in a short time, that has nothing to do with special hook baits, or any fancy boiled bait. That's the stuff you should read mate and take in. Learn to fish hemp and corn well on a very well stocked lake, you'll catch as many fish or more than anyone. Of course the hook baits will work, but you'd be spending a load of money that you do not need to.

The hook baits were designed for carp that see lots of pressure really. Send me a message in five years if you still love it, I'll give you something that will help you no end, when you are fishing somewhere where you are as much against other anglers, as you are the fish.


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the two baits that really worked for me when they started to ferment were richworth tutie fruites and tails up potovit liver.

the tuties id defrost and leave on the radiator for few days and they would turn sticky and smell devine. always seamed to better with these than when they where straight out the freezer.

the protovit liver would go white within 36 hours normally and again i always had better results when they were like this,
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Sound advice.....
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Nope to start with a bait straight off the shelf will catch you fish and take alot of the hard work out of it. But don't get caught up with all the hype as things you used to use will still work pellet corn worm etc
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Hi Lads

Am new to the the carp game although been fishing many years to be honest after reading this thread (twice) I'm of the opinion that using a bait straight off the shelf is going to hinder my start straight away, am I being negative? any comment would be grateful, and if I can be so bold can I get any of these specials to give me a kick start?
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ďI would NEVER use any freezer bait ever, that did not sweat right up in a bag after a few days, a couple preferably.Ē

Hi Mark,
Iím a happy man then as two of my homemades got a white mould at the end of the second being closed in a can and kept in the boiler room.
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All about the yeast, fructose (or glucose) and maybe a bit of dextrose.


Be lucky...and get on the SHB.


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I did not say you did not understand Mr Blonde. I just ran with what you said a bit, I was talking to everyone, not you after the first line.

Mother nature created the fish. And mother nature knows damn well how to attract them to. They have evolved, like everything else, around their environment. Their environment is different to ours, and we know so little, as others have so rightly said, about what goes on under water with fish and attraction.

Put something man made in when a blood worm bed is kicking off. You ain't getting a bite, mother nature wins. Not because they are scared of your bait, because the blood worm signals, are stronger, than your man made signals to a carp. Evolution beats your bait hands down. Why does a swan mussel bed do the same thing? Ever tasted one? Taste a little bit salty for a fresh water creature if you eat a clean one. Why do pike show a preference to sea dead baits, over coarse dead baits? Could it be the salty sea fish? Pike have no barbules, they seem to like naturally salty things though to.
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And understanding why that is actually so Mr Blonde, is key to a lot of stuff written in this thread. The readymades never sweated, the readymades were crap. So were the pop ups.

I do understand Mark, that's why i pop'd it into the thread.
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Now think to yourself. Since the big advent in freezer bait, and the explosion of carp fishing. It costs a lot of money in expensive electricity to keep masses of bait in freezers for stock. Courier companies often have a habit of messing up to. So if your bait had say a bit of preserver in, but was still frozen when you got it. Solves a lot of problems doesn't it. Of course I'm not saying that this happens, but I've seen a lot of freezer bait over the past ten years being used by others, that will not go off, even when left in a sealed bag in the sun for a week midsummer.

I would NEVER use any freezer bait ever, that did not sweat right up in a bag after a few days, a couple preferably. If your freezer bait is not going off, how can anything in this thread even work if you tried it. Preservatives inhibit mould. Fermenting boilies like we are talking about is 'good' mould. It will not work if there are preservatives in there.

The best freezer baits in history, they all go off fairly quickly. If yours does not, I'm sure you can join up the dots.
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And understanding why that is actually so Mr Blonde, is key to a lot of stuff written in this thread. The readymades never sweated, the readymades were crap. So were the pop ups.

That is base mix. It's one small part of the equation, but if you can get your food kicking off mother nature signals. It's the best base for excellence. Carp bait attraction, is so multi faceted it is unreal. You need everything in a hook bait for example, working with each other, food, powders, liquids, spices, etc, etc, the lot. Not some hotch/potch chuck it all in scenario, with a load of glass balls made by chemicals companies or some bland pop up mix. It needs to be all working together, to really get the right exceptional end results. That's fact, not fiction.

I could train a five year old, to put a kilo of pop up base mix into a bowl, and add set amounts of some liquid and some egg like a book says. It does not make the five year old a bait expert. And the five year old is going to make the same shizzle, as what everyone else made, and millions before them to isn't he. Ouuu he mixed some flavours, made by some one else together did he. Wowzas. He knows his stuff. Why would I want to do something like that, when I want something a bit more than that. Going on some one else's advice or previous, you'll just get their results. Just second hand. Yes pop up mix pop ups 'work', they always have. But when some one comes a long with something 'proper', they are not working anymore for you like before. You'll see fairly rapidly that something else works far better, than what you have. You'll adapt, or you'll blank. Simples. Carp fishing is quite popular these days, lakes are very busy. If you want to do something different results wise, you can't use the same old stuff as 95% of the blokes on the lake around you, can you.

Carp fishing in a nutshell. Don't be a follower, be the one who tries new things. It's the only way you'll get 'different' results. Maybe you want the same results, which is fine, I don't.

Not everything in carp bait folk lore is the gospel. A lot of it is ********. So do your own thing.

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Yes Paulie mentioned turning granulated sugar into icing sugar, by grinding it down, he also mentioned I played around to create 'increased' attraction. I did put into the mix (sic😁 ) about how my dog likes eating brown sugar.
There is an add to that, which I sort of started going into, but paused as the subject developed. The types of sugar can create increased reaction.
You can put plain straight granulated sugar into your baits, but the reaction is minimal, it is not as soluble (I think) as other sugars. Icing sugar creates a better reaction, demerara sugar makes no or little difference, unless finely ground, but soft light brown and soft dark brown sugar do increase reactions, to boilies and particles.

Soft dark brown sugar is very rich, still containing molasses, and does make a very good bait additive.
Try as you pour boiling water over your particles to soak them, stirring in some dark brown sugar. Mix it into your boilie mix, or even, as you boil the baits, stir some brown sugar into your boiling water.
Then try putting them into liquid yeast after drying and drying again.
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Indeed or Strawberry Cream....brings back memories.
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You can't beat a bag of sticky Tutties that have sat in the sun for a few hours.
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yeah , he said he was coating with Brococell and Paulie J tipped a wink to add Icing Sugar if i remember rightly?
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Try chucking a little bit of icing sugar into your dustings as well Mereman, as well as what you already do. It will help 'things' along nicely.

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Would be interesting if someone can put there preferred process' on here to aid all? Like Mike Bridges has done for Dynamite with his 'Profiling' bait preparation.......
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I've enjoyed this post a lot, but have got lost a bit along the way a bit. Was there any conclusion to the original post about fermenting boilies ? Does anyone do it ? and if so what method do they use ? Noticed one guy sprinkled brocacel yeast over his frozen boilies but don't know what he did after that ?
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The cork balls can. I personally would not mount the crushed corks that way or the barrels or the balanced. It's far easier to just pierce them with a loop of floss and bait stop, and tie on to your ring I find. There is no solid ball of cork to screw into, and they are real food, not granite hard pop up mix. I don't use bait screws with them mate.

Save the S1 for warmer water. They have a sodium based hardened coating. It works best in warm water.
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Good thread, plenty of bits & pieces out there that flick the carps switches, these days I worry not about the science, why, if's etc, as long as the bites keep coming.
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Yea just wondered as the others are the natural colour thought there might be something behind it messed with all things bait for years love it. I used mainline for years on one rod and swapped and changed on others. always caught well on there baits. Out of those three the a8 look like the ones esp with added greenlip. Can your baits be mounted on a bait screw ?? I bought some s1 barrels and pops when you first started but believe it or not I never used them tested them in water and they leak of a loverpy spice trail smell spicey and carpy. Might be time to give them a whirl.
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Because that's a nice hook bait colour mate. Washed out pink is always a winner Jim. The Cell base mix is a neutral colour, so it takes a colour very nicely at low levels. The Active-8 and the Link, they are much, much darker base mix and liquids. They don't take colours so well, especially the Link. Those two are better left au natural. They are Cell, just coloured pink.

Pink is a popular hook bait colour. They could have just have easily been white, or natural Cell colour. People seem to like that colour though in a hook bait. Mainline Cell users all seem to love them anyway.



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They flog Secret Cell at De Bows and Lesmont. Itís like a horrible bright red colour.
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Sorry, couldnít be arsed with the link just assumed it was a video !
Donít believe everything you read 🙄
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What video
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Done believe everything thing you see on a video
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They did at Lesmontread here
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No they dont
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Pink Cell that's what they use at Bows Lakes.
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Why have you done the cells In pink ??
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No the best option, would be the Mainline Cell, that we make and sell mate. No pun intended.

The S1 are very good abroad, I'm told Poisson Chat hate the S1 coating. Most of the S1 we sell, are to go abroad with, they seem to work so well in France for some reason. If there are Chat about, mesh the coating so it stays on for days. Some double mesh it. I'm told it works.

But if they love Mainline Cell, get some Mainline Cell crushed cork from us and take Mainline freezers. They work, the bloke who was holding the 50lb+ UK common earlier in this thread, that's Charlie's Mate from Frimley. He caught that on a 13mm pink coloured Cell CC. He only ordered them on December 12th. He caught that fish at Christmas. The bloke holding the 54lb UK mirror, that was caught on a Link one from a 400 acre venue, within a week of him having them and broke his PB by nearly 20lb. I made a few prototype tubs in Link in our cured/CC format. A tub was given to an angler, not by me. That angler, was the top rod on a very busy venue (probably the most popular day ticket now) with those sample hook baits, and their new Link freezer bait, he absolutely ripped it. I caught more good fish from the river Thames in 2017, in a very short period, than anyone probably ever has before. A lot of them were on those exact same Link crushed cork, as he had and that same bait. There was only a few tubs made initially. Those few tubs, caught a lot of carp. I'm told the Active-8 ones, are crazy good to, they have a touch of GLM added, in both liquids and powders.

We are lucky, I'm good friends with the people who own Mainline now. I make hook baits for some of their anglers, anything they want. I use their bait, through choice. I get some special stuff to play with to. The Mainline hook baits we sell, are Mainline ingredients straight from the bosses themselves. Base mix and Activators. We've just added a touch of our hook bait bits and bobs to them, and put them through our curing process. They have the boom ting base mixes and liquids. And we can do great things with a hook bait. Winner winner, steak for dinner... After you caught some big carp.

If these could be made on an industrial scale right now, they would probably already be in every tackle shop, in Europe with a Mainline Baits label on (it's their bait). Not me selling them on a much smaller scale, to in the main secret squirrels, who do not want to show their photos.

Who knows, maybe one day they will be made on an industrial scale. I don't want to be making 'special' hook baits forever and ever, that's for sure. It's all to stressful when you are a smaller company and deal direct with the public.

These have to be special ordered at the moment, I'll tell you how via PM. But we have plenty in stock. They will be on the website soon. We are so busy now it is unreal. There will be a week or mores wait for anyone ordering off here yesterday, or today because I've opened my mouth on other social media to. I have to many PM's to even reply today on here I'm sorry. When I'm back at work tomorrow, I will look at them all before any deliveries go out don't worry and stick you all something extra in. We really should get back to just talking about bait making (not mine) again now though.

One thing that does keep popping up in PM's. You do not need to freeze them, you do not need to put them in the fridge. They will keep forever. They actually all improve with age. Just keep the lid screwed up tight, they will attract moisture otherwise.

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Very helpful, thanks. I was thinking of buying the 17mm and cutting them down but will get some 13mm too as a snowman topper. Going to France in June and have been told that Cell works well on the lake. Would the S1 be the best option in this case? Iv'e used corkball baits a lot in the past but really prefer the versatility of a cork chunk bait as the can be pierced easier. I use bait screws pretty much exclusively on all my pop up rigs but pierce the baits for a snowman which you can't do with a corkball.
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Hi mate, no the 13mm are pop ups to mate. They will hold up a size 7, or maybe a 6, with a size 12 ring swivel if using a chod or SHR. Remember, the pop up needs to hold up the barrel of the swivel straight as well. A size 8 ring swivel barrel, has a lot of weight to it, more than the hook itself. If using on a standard pop up rig, ie multi rig, they will hold up a 5 or a 6. I tend to use the 13mm as snowman toppers myself with an 18mm bait. But everyone else uses them as pop ups. Funnily enough, I just posted a photo on faceache of a man, who caught a 70+ from Mar Peche on Boxing day, on a 13mm S2 CC. He was using them as pop ups mate.

A great tip which I give our customers is this. If you look at the two photos' below, one SHR with a 17mm CC, chucked in the edge, has a fully sodden peanut on top. That is holding up a size 4 hook, a size 8 ring swivel barrel, and a peanut that had been in the lake for thirty six hours. The other in the mouth of a 40, has a tiger nut on top of the pop up, which weighs even more. As you can see, I like to change shapes. I'd get 17mm, and trim them down if you want a smaller bait. All carp ever see on pop up rigs is little round balls. These are very easy to eject for them, as they 'fly straight', and straight out of the mouth when they blow them. It's simple physics. You can see that I have added weight to those pop ups, so instead, take a 17mm CC and cut the top quarter off with a serrated sharp knife. Mount this on your chod/SHR, flat side up. This will still hold up your rig fine. Now you have something which no one fishes on a pop up rig. The rig will work much better as it will no longer 'fly straight' when they try to blow it out of their mouth.

Fish it over a few small spombs of halved freezer baits. Deadly Douglas.

When you see the crushed cork for the first time, you can see cork all over the outside of the bait. But as all of our customers who love them so much know, as in those two photographs... Once they have been in the water for a small period, you will not see any cork anymore. They feel all lumpy to a carp, and feel nothing like the nice smooth pop up, that every other sod has been casting out forever. One with a flat side, even more so. Carp 'feel' things, it's one of their biggest senses.

Someone else asked about cork dust. Cork dust is crap mate, and can be rolled on a table. It sinks after a few hours, and the dust contains glue from cheap crap cork. Ours are called crushed corks, as they have 5mm pieces of the finest cork inside. I had to import a load of it from Portugal myself, as the right stuff was not available in the UK. They are harder to roll than a cork ball. Imagine a lumpy mix, which is more than 50% made up of 5mm hard odd shaped lumps. They are a nightmare to roll. The lumps are worked into the middle of the bait by hand. When piercing them, do it carefully and put a hard surface behind the bait (I use my thumb), this will stop you pushing a lump of cork out the back of the bait. NO ONE ELSE makes these crushed cork hook baits, like a lot of other stuff... We came up with it, it makes a super cork ball pretty much. If you ever see any other sod trying to sell them in the future, well you just know don't you. Unlike a cork ball, which they will perform the same as in terms of buoyancy over a period of time, you can pierce them, trim them, and birds can pick them up over and over again. They also take on more cure, than the cork ball versions of the same bait every time they are 'done'. Because there is no solid ball inside. They are a little bit 'pokier' to, for that reason.


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Placed an order and sent PM
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Itís hydrolisates work I guess. Local musk-rats go crazy about my winter baits containing them at least.

Mark, I sent you a PM mate.
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Mark, sent You a PM mate.
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Interesting stuff Mark. Kinda tempted to try your supercharged hookbaits over my Enzyme Baits to go for a 'best of both worlds' scenario. I'm guessing the crushed Cork S2 would be a better option for pits with cray/psycho tufty issues? I'm not keen on meshing or flossing and would much rather pierce the baits. The S2 is the 'caramel' type one?
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Yes that is a common theme I've heard loads mate. Vermin will leave every single other thing in a garage or shed, including open base mix powders... If there is a tub of S2's in there anywhere... They will only go for one thing, even if it is in the most inaccessible place. We can't store them outside at all for that reason.

I got some animal feed bins for my garden, with a locking lid. I keep loads of particles in them. They have never been touched. I came back from fishing, and put a bag with some bits in, into one of the storage bins, forgetting there was a tub of S2 in the bag.

The next day, it was clear a whole army of mice had tried their very best to get into that storage bin! All the way around the bottom were little chew spots. They did not get in, but i took the bag in doors anyway. They would have eventually. It's crack cocaine to them.
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   Old Thread  #184 5 Jan 2019 at 11.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bloody hell Jamie, well done, that's some damn good fishing mate. Make sure you PM me your full name on here when you do. And you to Mart.

We have been pretty much up to date recently, we cleared all of our orders before Xmas. But we have been incredibly busy in the last week. It's going to be a week or so's wait for some I'd say now.

The F1's and the S2 coated, are the best hook baits we do for single hook bait fishing Jamie. They have a bit more bang for the buck. I'll chuck you in some S2 C next time to try. They are very good to mate. They have a hardened coating like the F1, but it is betaine & chocolate powders, with a couple of other little bits and bobs. In cold water the betaine powder gets a kick off going straight away.

Thank you for the kind words Jamie, and don't forget to PM me your second name.
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   Old Thread  #183 5 Jan 2019 at 9.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think this is the first bait thread I've really taken interest in. Well done chaps, keep up the good info.

I'm looking forward to trying my new crushed cork baits too
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   Old Thread  #182 5 Jan 2019 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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PMSL 😂
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   Old Thread  #180 5 Jan 2019 at 8.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had exactly the same thing, out of dozens of tubs of pop ups a mouse almost gnawed through the lid and side of the pot of S2 never had that before.
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   Old Thread  #179 5 Jan 2019 at 6.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
s2's aren't just super attractive to fish either.

I left my shed door open a couple of summers back and a racoon got in (you think mice are bad - ). anyway - the food it went straight for - the tub of s2's sitting on the top shelf by themselves despite other grub available lower down. LOL
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I was going to post this before now, but due to PJ requesting that we less mention Specialized Hook Baits and get back on topic of fermentation of boilies, I chose not to.

I first started using SHB over five years ago now.
I first ordered a batch of S2ís to try out and I caught from the off. In fact, the very first time I used them, I had four takes, landing two. Both the fish caught were rare visitors to the bank, one being a low 30lb mirror and the other being a common at just under 40lb.
I went on to use the S2ís exclusively for the remainder of the season as I was mainly using one type of rig due to the bottom of the lake that I was targeting and these hook baits complemented it perfectly. I ended up catching three different 40lb carp the first season using the S2ís.

I also had a flit with the F1ís, which I liked - a lot! They were a little different than anything else I had ever tried before and they just screamed out attraction... you will know what I mean if you have ever had a play with them.
On the F1ís, I ended up catching another rare visitor to the bank that had been speculated to be dead as it hadnít been out for some time. The actual bait I had it on had been out for over twenty hours in the pond holding up a size 5 hook.

Trust me, whatever it is that Mark does to his baits - clearly works!
I shall be putting in a sizeable order again very soon!
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   Old Thread  #177 5 Jan 2019 at 3.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Mark, am I right in thinking that the 17mm are designed as pop ups and the 13mm as snowman toppers? Talking about the Cork dust ones. I prefer a smaller bait mostly and was wondering if a 13mm would hold up a size 4 for instance?
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We will be doing Insta don't worry Ben from now on. It's just another thing for me to do. We put a video on there at Xmas that got more views on there, than it did on Faceache. Photo's are now getting more likes on there to. We only have just over 1k followers on there I think to, because never really tried with it yet. We have just under 15k on faceache. yet Insta is out performing it with the same stuff, at the same time. That adds up to what you are saying as well mate.

Thank you for the kind words, PM me your second name Ben.
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Oh it so does mate, like so badly it's unreal. There's anglers on there, who are attached with other bait firms now LOL. We don't do deals for them mate. Don't need to, anglers use our stuff, because they want to, not because they are paid in some way. I never actually look at the website. I paid a lot of money for that. And then had to pay a lot of money a couple of years later, to make it easier to add new pages. I'm clueless about anything like that at all. I have to pay some one else to do it

To me it's just a vehicle to sell our products. I forget that people go on there to look at stuff if I'm honest with you.

It's about to get a big update soon. There needs to be a Mainline hook bait page on there. At the moment, people are still ordering them via text messages first, and then via the site. When that gets sorted, it will get a big over all update.

We have some new stuff as well of our own. We've had new stuff for quite a while, but when you can't keep up with what you already do, new stuff is just even more hard work. Last time we put new stuff on there, I had to have the website taken down for a period of days after to many orders. Just to calm things down as we were out of stock, and we would not have been able to even make what was being ordered in weeks, literally. I fear what will happen when the Mainline page goes on there. First time we put them up for sale before Xmas, we sold everything we had in a few hours. And we had a lot. I just want to go fishing most of the time and that all badly interferes with it.
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   Old Thread  #174 5 Jan 2019 at 9.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I ordered some S2s and S3s the other day canít wait to get to use them. You say you donít really do Instagram but I find people that donít do faceache, like me, do Instagram instea. Just started following you on that to keep upto date. Good luck Mark but by sounds of it you donít need it

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   Old Thread  #173 5 Jan 2019 at 0.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Interesting thread, and when all is said and done, it has kept reasonably civil which has allowed it to continue, nice one lads!
Mark, your hookbaits have definitely sparked my interest, and I may have to try some.
Yes, your homepage needs updating
Happy new year fellas
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   Old Thread  #172 4 Jan 2019 at 9.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thank you mate. We put things on faceache that get over 2k likes (reach of 120k), and videos that get over 100k views. (I think 106k is our record). We put a video up over Xmas that got 20k views in two days. And a photo on instagram that generated over 3k likes. Another over 2k likes. We don't really do Instagram either. In todays market, that means... Ker-ching. Just cannot do it to much, or it gets to busy. Bit like it is right now
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   Old Thread  #171 4 Jan 2019 at 8.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This thread has had over 6000 views in less than a month and I'm sure will get lots more too, if you've been on FB too this month, best get stocked up for some orders.

It's just reminded me of how greatyour baits are. I have not used them , a friend has and I loved the whole concept and finished bait. Will deffo be ordering some for my next trip to France
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   Old Thread  #170 4 Jan 2019 at 8.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice one Mark
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It's not been updated since we started mate photos wise. Just extra pages added. It needs an update now after six or seven years though.

PM me the name, I will sort you out mate.
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   Old Thread  #167 4 Jan 2019 at 7.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting site mark, just ordered myself a few pots..
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That is more because they take ages to make mate. When we get a rush on one product and go out of stock... We can't just magic some more out of thin air for the next day. They take two-three weeks to make. That leads to big problems in the Summer. They used to take longer, but I have refined things over the years and managed to speed it up.

But we are always busy. And they are individually palm rolled before all that to. It's painstaking. So if we go out of stock, it's a mare. What happens is this, some one, some where, will absolutely clump somewhere, with say 3's. I will not know about it, until every single sod in that general area in the country orders 3's, en masse, at the same time. We could go from selling one amount over a month period, and that amount can times by twenty in a day under those circumstances. I'll later find out why.

I'm only here because I'm not fishing this week, and it makes no difference to what gets rolled anyway. .

I need to shut up soon though, I've opened my gob over Xmas on here, and posted a few pics on social media that have been seen by many thousands of anglers. This leads to to many orders, literally. It's in a good place nowadays, where I don't actually need to put anything up anymore. Just every now and then, just to remind new customers we have not gone out of business. But it creates to much business when I do.

It's great, and I love it all, but hand rolled hook baits that take three weeks to make are a massive pain in the arse.
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   Old Thread  #165 4 Jan 2019 at 5.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Some interesting points coming up amoungst the jeeps!

How about sweet or salt curing a fermented bait? i.e to stabilise the bait (for practicality) by stopping further fermentation, yet ensnare the attraction of the original reactions..
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   Old Thread  #164 4 Jan 2019 at 5.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Best post of the thread

Stay off carpforum and quadruple production

You mad ****
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Hi Mark,
Glad to see the dust is now settling and we can look forward to some more interesting posts on this thread.
The results of heating oils and the mix and concentration of aminos are interesting subjects for discussion.
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No wonder thereís a two week waiting list for your ****ing baits... can you get off here and start heating some oils and get making some.
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   Old Thread  #160 4 Jan 2019 at 3.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi MM,
Indeed we have had this discussion before. And I have read about it since then. I do have my doubts on how achievable this is in a real baiting situation with the relative narrow window of concentration.
I am sure this thread will calm down. Mark/Paulie does not know his chemistry, which he happily admit, and you have a focus on attractants that perhaps might benefit from broadening.
In my limited understanding the heating of oil cause a raise in polar substances within the groups carp can detect.
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And that's what i said earlier Jim, but I was told I was wrong. I don't know the exact answer... I'm just the one doing it though and it works LOL.
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At a guess heating up a oil will change it's structure/ makeup probably changing the way it behaves in water. I'd imagine it would make it thinner there fore make it less dense enabling it to flow into the water column more easily. Like alcohol lighter than water hence ea flavours in thicker cold water
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Thank you MystyM, they are nice photographs yes. Pictures hang on a wall mate. All of those blokes, to a man MM, will tell you exactly the same thing. They will shout it to you, they will not listen to anything else. I will bet you. That's called, evidence to me.

You're asking me some questions, which I am not prepared to answer MM, that's all. Donkeys years ago I wrote about 'rotting' particles on the int