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   Cyprinus releasing quick erect bivvy in 2019
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   Old Thread  #453 17 Jan 2020 at 9.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Trakker Tempest 100 T is very slightly deeper and this is how the Specs are displayed Dimensions: Approx 150H x 235D x 250W cm.

my bed is only 200cm so for my needs these are far better ....................but I must say the price of the Quest offering is very significant
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   Old Thread  #452 17 Jan 2020 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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oh yeah.......

Bloody ugly being that shape though........
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   Old Thread  #451 17 Jan 2020 at 9.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No rear vents?

bloxx-vents

The overwrap doesn't, but if i'm using a wrap then chances are I aren't bothered about having vents open
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   Old Thread  #450 17 Jan 2020 at 9.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sounds odd that, the two bivvies I own are the Bloxx Compact + wrap and a V2 Brolly with groundsheet, front, skull cap and utility front. I don't notice the bulk of the JRC against the Trakker to be honest, and truth be known I can have the JRC up just as quick. Even the wrap, because I use awning loops on the pegging points, just throws over and attaches to the main bivvy pegging points with about 4 pegs needed at the front. Literally takes seconds, quicker than putting a skull cap on (I don't leave mine on). I will admit the Trakker is easier to fold down though but not by much. I think the Quest shelter looks great and the price is good!
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   Old Thread  #449 17 Jan 2020 at 8.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That Bloxx has to many angles on the poles, No rear vents, no height so deffo more aligned to my description......
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   Old Thread  #448 17 Jan 2020 at 8.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They were twice the weight of their alternatives which didn't do them any favours imo.
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   Old Thread  #447 17 Jan 2020 at 8.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Great design that. Iím amazed it never really took off. That shape but with a tempest/pioneer block arrangement would be perfect.
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   Old Thread  #446 17 Jan 2020 at 8.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"without the Skull cap the Quest version is a cross between the Tempest, Hide with a Titan peak. Front is also detachable"

Cobblers It's a JRC Bloxx, I love mine, perhaps it will come back into fashion. I've always said despite the quoted dimensions, my Bloxx Compact always feels roomy enough and I never catch my head on the top (i'm 6 foot).

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   Old Thread  #445 17 Jan 2020 at 8.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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without the Skull cap the Quest version is a cross between the Tempest, Hide with a Titan peak. Front is also detachable......

Size of 280W / 220D / 150H Looks spot on to me and the standard W / D for most 1 man bivvies nowadays....

Alos, They are hoping to price it around the £299 mark.......
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   Old Thread  #444 17 Jan 2020 at 1.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well if it was Deeper than the width I would have preferred it

as then you would then have the option of having your bed right back with the front off giving you more protection if it rained or nice storage out the way behind your bed if you had it forward when its dry
and if it was windy from behind a narrower profile too
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   Old Thread  #443 17 Jan 2020 at 0.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looks wider,than it is deep Gerry .
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   Old Thread  #442 16 Jan 2020 at 11.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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apart from the height 150cm its not clear which is width and which is depth ?? it looks deep from the pictures so is it 280 deep ? or wide ?
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   Old Thread  #441 16 Jan 2020 at 10.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Oh my, Quest really have snuck this in, looks best design of the lot with 20000mm HH, the peak and overlapping side panels .... Now Cyprinus will feel how Trakker felt when they done it to them .... Only real winner at the moment is the consumer






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   Old Thread  #440 16 Jan 2020 at 9.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The dpm is 20,000hh
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   Old Thread  #439 16 Jan 2020 at 8.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To me, it seems better. Especially the block of the Cyprinus worries me.
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   Old Thread  #438 16 Jan 2020 at 8.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The quest one looks nice but is it better than the typoon itdosent look like it is
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   Old Thread  #437 16 Jan 2020 at 8.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The new dpm one by Quest baits is up on their Facebook page, Wayne. Looks great but of kit! 10 000 hh, skull cap and internal vapor shield, 150 cm high too.
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   Old Thread  #436 14 Jan 2020 at 11.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Was tempted to for the M4 2 man......👍👍
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   Old Thread  #435 14 Jan 2020 at 8.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oops just bought a cyprinus wide sleep system... gonna be blanking in comfort now lol
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   Old Thread  #434 13 Jan 2020 at 9.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's why back to a gale force wind the original titan and your pioneer were rock solid.
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   Old Thread  #433 13 Jan 2020 at 6.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah I actually donít like having my bed right at the back, Iím nosey I guess.
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   Old Thread  #432 13 Jan 2020 at 5.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It's not just the height V footprint.
I as convenient as the modern bivvies are
In having flat backs that give more internal space
They are quite a big flat panel to catch the wind.
The pramhoods with 2 ribs also to so some extent.

If you then make it higher and higher......

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   Old Thread  #431 12 Jan 2020 at 4.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Aquatex has its place ... I have bivvies with Aquatex
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   Old Thread  #430 12 Jan 2020 at 4.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's a larger footprint than the tempest advanced 100 bivvy and 15 cm taller so not exactly toilet tent territory and can't imagine it's going to be a problem in the wind.Personally I like aquatex type materials as they are cooler in the summer and I like dark and gloomy interiors...not sure what that says about me🤔...they reckon about 6 weeks until available .
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   Old Thread  #429 12 Jan 2020 at 3.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agreed, small footprint and height is a recipe for problems in wind ..... and risk looking more like a toilet tent

Quest with built in peak looks the best design to me (similar to JRC Bloxx?) - If they can keep the weight down with a good quality nylon (no need for Aquatex as is heavy and overkill for a quick erect shelter) ... Keep the functionality simple, (as fewer zips as possible) and get the price around £200 i think they could be onto a winner.
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   Old Thread  #428 12 Jan 2020 at 12.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
My thoughts on these tall tempest bivvys is they are going to struggle in high winds.

It was always wind to the back of the bivvy but that isnt going to make much difference with these.
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   Old Thread  #427 12 Jan 2020 at 10.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They are actually asking for customer feedback too.Asking if there is anything they could change to make it better
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   Old Thread  #426 12 Jan 2020 at 8.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The quest tackle one actually looks the best version of a tempest copy yet......


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   Old Thread  #425 12 Jan 2020 at 4.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I see Quest tackle are releasing their version of these shelters( it's described with photos on their Facebook page) and it looks great to me..150 cm high with zip off front and they state will be reasonably priced.might be worth a look ...

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   Old Thread  #424 11 Jan 2020 at 11.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Revolutionary according to Cyprinus..
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   Old Thread  #423 11 Jan 2020 at 3.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is it supposed to be a groundbreaking shelter then .
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   Old Thread  #422 11 Jan 2020 at 1.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not exactly groundbreaking......

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   Old Thread  #421 10 Jan 2020 at 10.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can roll the front back and have an open shelter.
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   Old Thread  #420 10 Jan 2020 at 9.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly what I was thinking, it ticks all the boxes except the removable front
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   Old Thread  #419 10 Jan 2020 at 8.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Over the years all tackle companies i have rung up with a specific enquiry have proven to be clueless.
Except Defiant and Bruce Ashby . RIP
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   Old Thread  #418 10 Jan 2020 at 7.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They don't know the door height of there own bivvy till they take a delivery .
Oh my god you really think they would have all the specs on there system.
Bloody comical if you ask me
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   Old Thread  #417 10 Jan 2020 at 7.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your obsessed Gerry..

Wayne !!!!!!
the reason I want to know the heights is I want it for my River fishing and where I fish I need to have the rod tips as high as possible keeping as much line out of the water as possible and I like watching the tips

SO now that rules out completely this shelter thanks to Simon measuring it ( most manufacturers specs normal are well out)

so now its between the Nash Hide XL OR The new Trakker Tempest 100 T that Trakker have now admitted ((when the responded to my letter and phoned me up a couple of days ago )) they dont know the doorway height until the new shipment arrives soon
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   Old Thread  #416 10 Jan 2020 at 6.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So wish they had made it with a removable front for when you want to travel light in the summer time.
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   Old Thread  #415 10 Jan 2020 at 6.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Went around my mates house today to see it in person, my mate was sat on a fox r2 bed without the legs extended at all on a bedchair buddy, his head was touching and pushing the vapour shield up it seems pretty low tbh
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   Old Thread  #414 10 Jan 2020 at 6.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That sounds really low.. I think its supposed to be 1250mm
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   Old Thread  #413 10 Jan 2020 at 6.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just get it set up and so far I am very impressed. Build quality seems excellent, very quick and easy to erect for the first time even in the dark. At the moment it all points to being just as good as the magnatex brolly I had from Cyprinos about 6 years ago that has been bullet proof.
Gerry just measured the door height the best I could with a rig box and I would say the door height is around 1050-1100mm.
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   Old Thread  #412 10 Jan 2020 at 4.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your obsessed Gerry.......
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   Old Thread  #411 10 Jan 2020 at 0.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could you measure the height of the doorway when you have it set up normally please mate ?
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   Old Thread  #410 9 Jan 2020 at 11.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My mate is keen on the typhoon so would be watching with interest too......

Sticking to my Titan Camo T2 personally
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   Old Thread  #409 9 Jan 2020 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Recieved mine today, not had the chance to put it up yet but I am doing the weekend so will see how it performs
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   Old Thread  #408 9 Jan 2020 at 7.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Anychance of posting them up ?
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   Old Thread  #407 9 Jan 2020 at 7.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My friend did he sent me a few pics he is very impressed Iíll see it in person next weekend
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Anyone received there TYPHOON today ?
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   Old Thread  #405 7 Jan 2020 at 5.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cyprinus have them listed on there website too.....
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   Old Thread  #404 7 Jan 2020 at 5.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Tacklediscounts website are now listing a skull cap, wrap and extended utility front for these now I think.
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   Old Thread  #403 6 Jan 2020 at 8.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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From the same factory no doubt in China

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   Old Thread  #402 6 Jan 2020 at 6.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I believe there being posted out tomorrow spod.
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   Old Thread  #401 6 Jan 2020 at 5.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just bumping this up, anyone got one and used one yet?
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   Old Thread  #400 28 Dec 2019 at 8.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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saw that quest tackle are coming out with a version of their own for 299. looks alot like bloxx 150 cm high in the opening.....
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   Old Thread  #399 27 Dec 2019 at 5.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Shocking video review no thought at all!! Which is why being on here is still useful. Trust some peoples views on here more than these video reviews!!
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   Old Thread  #398 27 Dec 2019 at 4.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The logo is actually in the bottom corner for the entire video too, I think itís just a bad choice of description because the affiliation is quite obvious.
Media professionals and business/legal advice is obviously where some of trakkerís inflated prices go because they certainly appear more savvy in that department
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   Old Thread  #397 27 Dec 2019 at 3.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He said in the blog he is with cyprinus.
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   Old Thread  #396 27 Dec 2019 at 3.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The video does begin with a cyprinus logo, maybe overview wouldíve been a better description.
Bell end is possibly a tad harsh
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   Old Thread  #395 27 Dec 2019 at 2.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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that review guy is a misleading bellend, he has even turned the comments off now, trying to make out its totally independent, hes dishonest in what hes trying to lead people into thinking,.when this is totally advertising in some form
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   Old Thread  #394 22 Dec 2019 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The advanced brolly yes
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   Old Thread  #393 22 Dec 2019 at 7.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can get an advanced with the fronts and groundsheet for the same money? Is that right?
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   Old Thread  #392 22 Dec 2019 at 7.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The air version looks alot stronger but having not seen the typhoon version I can't really comment
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   Old Thread  #391 22 Dec 2019 at 6.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím referring to the block not the pole system which is totally different 😉
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Was really considering getting this bivvy but not to sure now, will get the trakker advanced brolly instead as i can pick it up for the same price as the typhoon .
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   Old Thread  #389 22 Dec 2019 at 6.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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On the air I had it was nothing like it
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   Old Thread  #388 22 Dec 2019 at 6.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The air has a pole that pulls over and is retained same as the bivvy doesnít it? The v1 did as far as I recall.
This cyprinus thing looks like an awkward combination of 2 bob plastic push on bits and extending front ribs for tension.
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   Old Thread  #387 22 Dec 2019 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly the same for me. Asked a few simple questions and got blocked 🤷‍♂️ Just says it all really
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   Old Thread  #386 22 Dec 2019 at 5.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I actually just prefer it when company anglers are just open about it. If I watch a korda promo video I expect them to be using korda products. I donít need them to be telling me how wonderful they think they are. Iíd find it a bit odd if one of them demonstrated a product and then picked holes in it, id wonder why theyíd released it.

Promos should be promos and reviews should be reviews. The two shouldnít mix.
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   Old Thread  #385 22 Dec 2019 at 5.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The block is the same in that way 🙄
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   Old Thread  #384 22 Dec 2019 at 5.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Heís blocked comments because I asked a few questions. he didnít even understand Hydrostatic Head just kept telling me itís better. Crap review same with Carpology , itís what the seller wants to hear not what they need to be told to make things better.
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   Old Thread  #383 22 Dec 2019 at 5.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah but kept saying heíll give a honest review if he doesnít like it heíll say 😂😂 yeah right.
It was just one big sales pitch
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   Old Thread  #382 22 Dec 2019 at 5.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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In what way
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   Old Thread  #381 22 Dec 2019 at 4.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same block as the Air !!
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   Old Thread  #380 22 Dec 2019 at 11.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Once the initial hype dies down of the Typhoon I dont see the likes of Cyprinus denting or concerning the bigger brands with this product ... its not cheap enough for many people to to risk a "non brand" and there will always be people that buy the premium "labels" at higher cost because it has a "label" ... this happens in all areas of consumerism. Non brands need to be under £200 imo ... To me their M4 range is a better proposition in terms of value.
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   Old Thread  #379 22 Dec 2019 at 11.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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True, but would you invent a square wheel just because someone else had already invented the circular one.
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   Old Thread  #378 22 Dec 2019 at 11.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He fully admits that he works for/with them to be fair
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   Old Thread  #377 22 Dec 2019 at 10.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yet both Trakker & Nash copied the original Armadillo design as did many others most of the major tackle manufacturers are guilty of plagiarism !!
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   Old Thread  #376 22 Dec 2019 at 10.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Trakker just got Kakker.
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   Old Thread  #375 22 Dec 2019 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Trakker probably spend a fair bit on development. Same with Nash, Korda and others.
Buying copies kill invention.
That's why I prefer buying the originals if possible.
Each to their own of course.
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   Old Thread  #374 22 Dec 2019 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had a Sonik XTI Supadome. Had it for about 3-4 years and paid £250 new. £450 RRP and it was falling apart by the end.
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   Old Thread  #373 22 Dec 2019 at 10.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The way I see it is no one builds stuff to last anymore. That all ended with the Union Jack Aqua stuff. So given that you might as well buy cyprinus. Itís a comparable quality to the current trakker, Aqua, Nash stuff but less than half the price.

The way I look at it, owning a few of their bivvy items then I reckon I will easily get 5+ years out of them and if Iím honest Probably longer. So for a brolly that cost me less than £75 and a bivvy that was less than £150 I think Iím doing alright.

Does anyone actually think that If they pat twice as much for a trakker that it will last twice as long or be twice as good?

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   Old Thread  #372 22 Dec 2019 at 9.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But trakker gear is garbage if you ask me...there quality went years ago...
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   Old Thread  #371 21 Dec 2019 at 6.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That block looks garbage...
If they release a sub 4kg open fronted one in green for about a bullseye Iíll be tempted, otherwise no thanks
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   Old Thread  #370 21 Dec 2019 at 12.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Noticed this and itís definitely lower than the V3 with inner capsule fitted. Cheaper though.
Iíd have liked just the vapour shield option for the V3. Copy them trakkerí go on.
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   Old Thread  #369 21 Dec 2019 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The lad clearly works for them and would never say anything about it in the ďreviewĒ I think itís to low personally and wonít be getting one myself you can see his head touching the roof in the video. The idea is good but Iíll be honest if I wanted that sort of system Iíd pay the extra for the trakker one tried and tested, cheaper isnít always better. My friend has bought one how ever and will have a look at his.
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   Old Thread  #368 19 Dec 2019 at 11.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes not denying that.
I reckon I will end up with one by the end of 2020.
Well happy with the 2 man compact though.. proper bivvy that, doing 3 nights over xmas, cant wait.
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   Old Thread  #367 19 Dec 2019 at 10.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
That review is flawed but still a cracking bit of kit.......
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   Old Thread  #366 19 Dec 2019 at 8.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Everything this kid uses is now the best out there or what he's told to use I used to watch his channel now more though it's just blatantly ramming gear down our throats
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   Old Thread  #365 19 Dec 2019 at 8.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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well it is lower than the V2 Bivvy anyway big mistake in my mind

and clearly he works for them as he said we will swop it etc so how the **** can he call it a review
he is hardly likely to find any flaws is he
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   Old Thread  #364 19 Dec 2019 at 7.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I thought the same. Also said there are zero negatives yet his head was touching the room when sat on bed chair which made it look low inside with inner capsule in
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   Old Thread  #363 19 Dec 2019 at 7.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i agree, praising it to the rafters and the claims made after one night looks a bit silly! ..... Would of been better to of done a product feature type video
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   Old Thread  #362 19 Dec 2019 at 7.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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24hrs isnít enough.

It took me ten years of use to discover my Mrs has serious design flaws.
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   Old Thread  #361 19 Dec 2019 at 7.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Video review of the Typhoon here - A Cyprinus associate who claims isnt biased .... and after a whopping 24hrs use he unsurprisingly cant fault it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ddMB6bxReI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3qKZbAaej2rklPZEBYaALXKYiomDb9J0b6TDh81kB2fZ7rux0KZMdiBLM
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   Old Thread  #360 13 Dec 2019 at 5.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The typhoon is compared to the V2 bivvy system not the V2 brolly.......
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   Old Thread  #359 13 Dec 2019 at 12.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hopefully they will do an optional zip in front for the brolly version.
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   Old Thread  #358 13 Dec 2019 at 11.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hopefully won't be too long before the brolly jobby is released mate
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   Old Thread  #357 13 Dec 2019 at 11.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My mistake, I thought they were going for the brolly plus extras market.
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   Old Thread  #356 13 Dec 2019 at 11.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm aware what a hydrostatic head is and how it would be tested in a factory. My point was does anyone actually check that the manufacturers claims are accurate? Would we even know if we had 15,000 instead of 20,000.
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   Old Thread  #355 13 Dec 2019 at 11.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Safe to say I wonít be trading in my V2 brolly just yet

Your post makes no sense imo buddy. I also wanted to see a cheapo TB but that's not what was released and not what we should be comparing it to or judging it against. It's a full bivvy system.
I hear they're working on a stripped out brolly version. If and when that's released then we can decide whether the price is any good or not.
The Typhoon was never intended to compete with the TB. It's competition to the Tempest Advanced 100 Bivvy (which is twice the price).
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   Old Thread  #354 13 Dec 2019 at 10.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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hydrostatic head is test with a machine, the material is sealed over a pop of water, the material is claimed into place then pressure is pumped in. when the water starts to seep through the gauge give you the pressure reading not rocket science
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   Old Thread  #353 13 Dec 2019 at 7.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The RRP reflects the prices that other manufacturers are charging for a comparable system. I own two cyprinus shelters, both with wraps, and Iíve owned aqua and trakker in the past. The build quality of my cyprinus stuff is exactly the same, and considerably better than the fox shelter I had. So Iíd say even at £300 it represents very good value for money.

On the seams, the waterproof integrity of any material is compromised, thatís why they have taped seams. The hydrostatic head is only important on the main panels, to stop water coming through when hard rain is driving against them under force, or dripping through if water puddles on it somewhere.

Regarding the groundsheet, Iíve never seen one made of aquatex, so Iím not sure the hydrostatic head matters.

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   Old Thread  #352 13 Dec 2019 at 0.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Also, does anyone actually regulate hydrostatic head specification claims? Is there a guy with a 20,000 mm tube who holds it on the fabric of a test bivvy and looks for drips? Do they do the same test on the seams where you are actually likely to get a leak? Or the groundsheet, which is just as important, if not more at keeping damp out?
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Time will tell, but I think Cyprinus have missed the point with this one. Everyone who owns the tempest brolly loves it, but some people donít want to spend £220 plus extras. Fair enough. If cyprinus would have ripped it off for £150 with their cheaper extras then those people are happy.

Instead they have marketed it as a semi premium product with a high RRP that they will discount to a still fairly premium price that looks good against their own RRP. As they are their own direct retailer the RRP is nonsense. I could sell my sweaty underpants on a website for £10 at a 90% discount from their £100 RRP. If it was my website.

The zip in groundsheet must be something the factory recommended in China, I canít see why anyone would want this. The cam locks also. Does it have anti twist poles? If not that is another step back.

Safe to say I wonít be trading in my V2 brolly just yet
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   Old Thread  #350 12 Dec 2019 at 9.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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facebook has plenty of moans too and the popularity of the Hide XL speaks for its self surely
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   Old Thread  #349 12 Dec 2019 at 9.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fox R series XL best headroom 1 manner

Lovely bit of kit

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   Old Thread  #348 12 Dec 2019 at 8.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
this forum is the only time i hear/read complaints about the height of bivvies ... ive never heard it on the bank. A 1man bivvy has always been between 125cm-135cm .... If you want taller bivvy there are plenty of 2man bivvies that will give higher dimensions ... there are loads to choose from
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   Old Thread  #347 12 Dec 2019 at 6.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe theyíre just implying the top of the range tempest and some sort of extra this has, would cost £850?
Or that if they were not their own distributor, that is the retail equivalent you could be paying..
Or theyíre just full of ****
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   Old Thread  #346 12 Dec 2019 at 5.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Got to agree rrp is just wishful thinking. It's what they sell for in the real world that counts.
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   Old Thread  #345 12 Dec 2019 at 4.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah,understand that. I worked in retail for near 40 years. If it's a genuine discount then RRP it to the hilt to maximise sales,but Cyprinus are just plucking large figures out of the air for their RRPs surely.
What next..Buy one get one free..Cost £849.99? 😂
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   Old Thread  #344 12 Dec 2019 at 3.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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RRP is £850 but selling for £400......
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   Old Thread  #343 12 Dec 2019 at 12.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All the companies do that, not just tackle companies. Mark something with a massive rrp then price it much less so it looks a bargain. Nash even put their rrp ssp and trade prices all in their trade price list so shops can advertise these big "discounts"
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   Old Thread  #342 12 Dec 2019 at 12.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cant agree with that m8 I think the split is more like 50/50 so we will have to agree to disagree
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   Old Thread  #341 12 Dec 2019 at 12.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
£849 RRP ? 😮 Cyprinus are taking the pi55.I would love to know how they justify that.
As they have only one retail outlet now,are they recommending that price to themselves?
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   Old Thread  #340 12 Dec 2019 at 12.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Some do gerry yes, but you are in the minority by the sound of it mate. The companies cater for the masses, not the minority. It wouldn't make good business sense for them to cater for the smaller market. Something like this, cyprinus are aiming for the mass market, tempest type bivvy users. You may find that if this is a success then they bring out a taller version like nash have with the hide
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   Old Thread  #339 12 Dec 2019 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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but its the doorway doorway height we are bothered about not the top of the roof m8
and

YES !!! there are a lot of people like me that want a higher bivvy I think you will find
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   Old Thread  #338 12 Dec 2019 at 10.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looks like it mate
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   Old Thread  #337 12 Dec 2019 at 10.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Aren't Trakker revealing a new higher Tempest something at midday today?? Unless I don't understand Twitter... (highly possible! )
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   Old Thread  #336 12 Dec 2019 at 9.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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God knows?? As long as you can sit on a bedchair with a bedchair buddy without your head touching the top then should be no real requirement for 1 man bivvys being 160+ in height.......
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Exactly mate, not sure what these lads who want extra tall bivvies do in them tbh. Plus much taller and they turn into superb wind socks...
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   Old Thread  #334 12 Dec 2019 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Must admit 135H seems high enough to me as you spend 99.9% time sat in it.......
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   Old Thread  #333 12 Dec 2019 at 9.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Either way it's still well over 4 feet tall, plenty tall enough for the average angler surely?
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But its a bivvy ? and not a brolly ???

V2 bivvy 140 h Typhoon 135 h and as I said in my post

>>>So its lower than the Tempest V2 bivvy
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   Old Thread  #331 12 Dec 2019 at 8.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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V2 brolly is 125H and the Typhoon is 135H so 10cm Higher according to dimensions.......
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   Old Thread  #330 11 Dec 2019 at 8.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So its lower than the Tempest V2 bivvy
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   Old Thread  #329 11 Dec 2019 at 7.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just seen they have a few pics up on the website now

Looks good

https://www.cyprinus.co.uk/products/cyprinus-typhoon-full-bivvy-system-dpm4-20-000hh
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   Old Thread  #328 5 Dec 2019 at 7.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice one , just ordered .
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   Old Thread  #327 3 Dec 2019 at 4.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I've had zip off fronts on brollies and found them
To be a fiddly arse ache. Hands and knees
In a bivvy is not going to suit me.
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   Old Thread  #326 2 Dec 2019 at 12.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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May well be until the zips start getting caped in mud and grit etc then i can imagine it being a right ball ache to start zipping it in.
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   Old Thread  #325 2 Dec 2019 at 12.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think if I had a bivvy with a zip in groundsheet, if I was going to the effort of using it and messing about with skirts etc, Iíd jest zip it in. Cant see it taking any longer to be honest
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For those that have got a bivvy with a zip in ground sheet , does it still have a skirt on the bottom of the bivvy ? ,so you can just lay it in the bivvy with out zipping it in.
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   Old Thread  #323 29 Nov 2019 at 1.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Gerry - just ordered them
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   Old Thread  #322 28 Nov 2019 at 9.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spring button BUT !!!!!!!!!!!! dont buy the cheap Chinese ones the spring metal is crap ! I bought a set !!


however these are brilliant LINKY POO
I modded my V1 Bivvy poles works superb now
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   Old Thread  #321 28 Nov 2019 at 9.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I put in,push button spring clip
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Thanks mate. What are they called?
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   Old Thread  #319 28 Nov 2019 at 5.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I asked

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   Old Thread  #318 28 Nov 2019 at 5.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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DPM4 is Camo and M4 is the Green
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Thanks
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   Old Thread  #316 28 Nov 2019 at 4.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The M4 is a pram hood mate, completely different design.
Google the pics
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What is the difference between the Cyprinus Typhoon Full Bivvy System DPM4 and the M4?

Thanks in advance.

Ray.
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   Old Thread  #314 28 Nov 2019 at 3.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If the cams started slipping Iím pretty sure theyíd just send you out three new poles wouldnít they?
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   Old Thread  #313 28 Nov 2019 at 2.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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if the cam locks start slipping Why not just fit a these much better idea IMO ?........There what i meant Gerry....
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   Old Thread  #311 28 Nov 2019 at 2.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm not sure either, presuming you push together then slide inside tube, then drill hole in tube that slides over and it pops the silver pin up to hold in place. Am I right?!
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   Old Thread  #310 28 Nov 2019 at 1.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What even are they ?
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Loads on ebay mate
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Gerry, could you let me know where I can get these from please? Thanks.
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   Old Thread  #307 28 Nov 2019 at 1.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Lovely looking bit of kit ... but the shelter alone weighs 9.5kg (plus greoundsheet and pegs etc) ... thats too heavy for me unless doing longer sessions ... and if i do long session i want 2man size... Bivvies seem to be going the way bedchairs did for a while (big and heavy) ... hopefully it will come full circle again
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   Old Thread  #306 28 Nov 2019 at 1.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just seen on there Facebook page answering someone about the cam locks, saying if they do fail they will replace them immediately.
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   Old Thread  #305 28 Nov 2019 at 12.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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if the cam locks start slipping Why not just fit a these much better idea IMO ?
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   Old Thread  #304 28 Nov 2019 at 12.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have a very old Fox X pod plus, uses cam locks, still rock solid

That's a no pressure situation for the cam locks and that's why they will work fine

It's when there is pressure exerted on them that they begin to cease working correctly. On the Typhoon, you'll fit those 3 front bars and extend the poles to tension the front of the bivvy, it's that tension 'pushing back' that I could imagine eventually wearing the strength of the cam locks down

Happy to be proved wrong but could be weeks/months before you'd know. It's just if at that point you can't do anything about it, have you then got a sub-standard shelter that cost you £400+?
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   Old Thread  #303 28 Nov 2019 at 11.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is it a bird? Is it a plane? NO its Cyprinus Wayne I think you have got a bivvy fetish going on
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   Old Thread  #302 28 Nov 2019 at 10.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Iím getting the green one and will see what the cam locks are like. If they start slipping I will simply mod like the tempest V1 anti twist poles for a few quid......
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   Old Thread  #301 28 Nov 2019 at 10.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have a very old Fox X pod plus, uses cam locks, still rock solid. Granted that's all I have that uses cam locks, but my message mainly was why are they being dismissed before anyone has seen or tested them for quality. Going by past failures, granted a number have occurred and moaned about, how many lost, stripped or cross threaded thumb screws in the past, loads I bet, lets talk about them as well, perhaps companies should always use captive thumb screws? Just a thought.
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   Old Thread  #300 28 Nov 2019 at 9.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's funny how most have decided the cam locks will fail even before anyone actually has one and has reviewed the quality of them. Cyprinus is doing a brilliant job in breaking the monopoly of the big guys and all people do is try and find fault.

Donít need to look to find fault as they stand out blatantly! If CamLocks were reliable, then more manufacturers would use them. The Fox Black Label cam locks loosen over time & once they start deteriorating, they will worsen quicker than before. avid have just started to use a cam system on their Lockdown range of bank ware but as it is so new only time will tell although the cam levers look weak to my eye.

The reason why Cyprinus can sell their versions at lower prices is that there is no retailer mark up on them as buying direct. I bet they would be the same price as the Trakker or Aqua versions if they were sold through tackle shops. I would also hazard to say that Cyprinusís markup from there cost price to selling price is the same or close to Trakker or Aquaís trade pricing including VAT.if you add 20% Vat to the £450 of the rpm version for arguments sake, then add the standard 30% retailer markup it comes out at £702 which is as close as damnit to the £699 of the Tempest Advance 100.

If I am spending that sort of money on something I want to see it in the ďfleshĒ before parting with my cash so I can examine everything and make sure that it is up to what I need. I donít know if Cyprinus have a storefront so potential customers can go and have a look before parting with heir hard earned?
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   Old Thread  #299 28 Nov 2019 at 9.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looks like the front does not come off
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   Old Thread  #298 28 Nov 2019 at 9.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"It's funny how most have decided the cam locks will fail even before anyone actually has one and has reviewed the quality of them"

Maybe a tad unfair, I don't think I have seen anyone saying they WILL fail, more concerns voiced over the longevity of such a system. Personally, I only find cam locks useful for bank stick duties where not taking a load. Personal experience has seen cam locks not being up to the job on more than one occasion when used as storm/under tension poles. So I don't think it is unreasonable to have concerns, especially when forking out £400/£450 for a new (untested) bivvy.

Not in dispute about it being a very good looking bivvy potentially offering value for money (I still don't consider it a bargain), but for the cost of it, it should be a tried & tested concept IMHO!!

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   Old Thread  #297 28 Nov 2019 at 8.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think it looks spot on. Fair play to them
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   Old Thread  #296 28 Nov 2019 at 8.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
68832-E5-D-1-C59-432-A-8-CAE-147-BB2-A907-E1

I think thatís a nice looking shelter.
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   Old Thread  #295 28 Nov 2019 at 8.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No im not having a moan, just want to know if the front can be removed.
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   Old Thread  #294 28 Nov 2019 at 7.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Shake it off.....


Well Iím gonna buck the trend on here as I think it looks rather good. Iím not worried if the front is fixed as if itís that warm Iíd be using a brolly.

As an owner of two other cyprinus shelters both with wraps. The quality isnít a problem for me as both have been perfect.

Not a camo fan even though I have a dpm4. Iíd definitely hold on for the green if I was gonna get one.
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   Old Thread  #293 28 Nov 2019 at 7.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Haters gonna hate 😂
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   Old Thread  #292 28 Nov 2019 at 7.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's funny how most have decided the cam locks will fail even before anyone actually has one and has reviewed the quality of them. Cyprinus is doing a brilliant job in breaking the monopoly of the big guys and all people do is try and find fault.
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   Old Thread  #291 27 Nov 2019 at 10.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Does anyone know if the front can be unzipped yet ?
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   Old Thread  #290 27 Nov 2019 at 10.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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can you not make cam locks tight again if they get a bit worn anyway ?

If you think having to wrap tape around your £450 bivvy frame to keep it working is acceptable then go ahead. I wouldn't call that acceptable on a £100 item (Delkim battery cover advise so you can use them in the rain direct from them anyone?)
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   Old Thread  #289 27 Nov 2019 at 10.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
the Cam locks put me right off straight away. I have had camlock banksticks etc in the past & not one of them has lasted more than a season before they start to wear down. Nice concept but let down again by using something that if it worked more companies would be using them instead of thumb wheels of knurled collars (like the Solar PosiLock) which would have allowed the same sort of tightening without having to worry about things sticking up into the skull cap or wrap. I will buy a Trakker one as at least if anything goes wrong I can take back to my dealers front counter and get them to get it sorted instead of boxing it up & having to pay to have it sent back to them and waiting forever for a replacement.
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   Old Thread  #288 27 Nov 2019 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But these three camlock poles need a stable support in the form of the two stormpoles, don't they ?
Guess without the locked lever from the standard Tempest they would follow the gravitational force downwards, if they are not supported by the stormpoles.
Think this is a significant difference to the Tempest which you could just unfold and put anywhere without additional poles.
Just my impression, maybe I am wrong.
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   Old Thread  #287 27 Nov 2019 at 9.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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can you not make cam locks tight again if they get a bit worn anyway ?
ive got a cyprinus HQ 2 man it uses the cam lock system never seen any slipping .i had a trakker tempest before and that was great to erect but leaked and the pole system was poor with elastics snapping all the time ,the quality of the cyprinus i have is superior even though made in the same factory ,it cost a nearly a third of the price inc a overwrap.
just my findings
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   Old Thread  #286 27 Nov 2019 at 8.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Confident those cam locks will hold over time?
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   Old Thread  #285 27 Nov 2019 at 6.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Green version looks much better IMO. Customer service for me has always been spot on but i have only ever returned stuff that wasnt damaged or that i had a actual problem with and simply changed my mind.......

Like for like against trakker i would take Cyprinus all day long as they use a heavier grade Aquatex and much cheaper....
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Hydrotec ...???? Material
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   Old Thread  #283 27 Nov 2019 at 4.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just seen they've got the green version available for pre order too now for 399 whereas the camo is 449.
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Bugger me! Some people will steal bloody anything!!!
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I had an issue with a bedchair that was damaged by a courier & a fast & light brolly where the material had been pinched.

Both times their customer service was spot on & they couldn't have been more helpful.
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There customer service is piss poor.I had a rib snap on one of their brollies and got no help whatsoever.I would rather pay extra and buy from a shop,at least I can return it then if any issues
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Looks good to me and at a very reasonable price too!

As a lot of you have already said itís going to be a case of if this is actually any good after a lot of use like the other tried and tested brands have been doing for some time. In the case I wonít be forking out for one just yet and be a guinea pig just yet

And completely agree about the after sales help is gunna be key to the success of this product!!
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I don't disagree buddy I just think we shouldn't be too quick to write them off based on a single product release
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What Cyprinus have offered in the past is pretty basic pramhood or brolly type shelters - little goes wrong with either and being copies minimised issues. .. Couple that with the budget prices (in comparison) the customer expectation is naturally less high. - This Typhoon is a different price range, more complex design ... which will mean bigger expectation from the customer - I do see it as Cyprinus making first moves towards a different demographic - The key for me is how Cyprinus deal with problems .... If they can get that right and offer top grade customer service .... they could become number 1 and clean up ..... Its a massive "IF" though and my gut tells me otherwise.
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I take all points made, but will let others spend £450 to see if those cam locks hold firm. Not saying I don't like the look, nor am I saying I wouldn't buy one at that price for the record, but...

Maybe I'm missing something, but would I be right to think this design is 100% untested in the field??!
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   Old Thread  #275 27 Nov 2019 at 12.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Compared to similar shelters, it's a bargain. If it were a £400 pram hood style bivvy then you'd have a point, but it's not. With the bits it comes with, it's at least £200 cheaper than it's closest comparable rival. Most would call that a bargain I'd imagine
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Maybe I am not being clear. What I mean is, Aqua Fast and Light was what? £300? Cyprinus version of the exact same was half, or less than half that. I bought a Cyprinus V2 brolly utility front for £80 when the Trakker one was £160. Those 'half the price' of what they were copying items, are what I would consider bargains.

This new DPM Typhoon, priced as it is, will IMO deter a lot of people, as although it is cheaper than the Trakker/Aqua item it is copying, is probably priced +£100 over what it should be to consider it a bargain.

Again, IMO, design and built themselves is a backward step with the cam locks, spreader block design etc. Still at a premium price though, £400/£450 for a bivvy is still a hell of lot of wonga in anyones book!

Ps - i'm not saying it's a bad thing, but half price = bargain, £100 or so cheaper = good value for money. Both better options than paying max carp tax
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   Old Thread  #273 27 Nov 2019 at 10.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cyprinus 'bargains' will soon be a thing of the past and more a case of better value for money.

I think you're jumping the gun a bit there buddy. This is the first shelter they've released that they've "designed" and built "themselves". It's not yet a complete reversal in business model imo. They still offer all the ripped-off Aqua stuff.
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   Old Thread  #272 27 Nov 2019 at 10.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"I'm a sucker for a new bivvy but the fixed front, zip in groundsheet, weight and those cam lock detatchable bars have put me right off"

With you here, I'm happy with what I have, but if the Cyprinus had been a major advancement at sensible money it could have been game on

They are definitely upping pricing of their goods. I'm not saying they are not worth it, but Cyprinus 'bargains' will soon be a thing of the past and more a case of better value for money...
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   Old Thread  #271 26 Nov 2019 at 10.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah I'm kind of basing my assumption on that, there's no pics without the front, it's not mentioned in the description and someone on fb vaguely saying it was just roll up front... These teaser videos whip up a frenzy but aren't good for information... especially after that wait for the slow boat
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   Old Thread  #270 26 Nov 2019 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Post 261 states its not removable,perhaps he has asked Cyprinus
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   Old Thread  #269 26 Nov 2019 at 9.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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At about 51 seconds itís shown rolled up. Doesnít mean it doesnít come off, just itís rolled in that clip
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   Old Thread  #268 26 Nov 2019 at 9.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Amazing what you can get just by asking 😁
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   Old Thread  #267 26 Nov 2019 at 9.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Shows on the video without one
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   Old Thread  #266 26 Nov 2019 at 8.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The front doesnít come off?
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   Old Thread  #265 26 Nov 2019 at 8.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pro logic Commander has a zip in groundsheet and the only one that I saw the guy loved it and hasn't had any problems with it at all you just need to zip it in before pegging it out
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   Old Thread  #264 26 Nov 2019 at 8.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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drop them an email,you might get a free typhoon
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   Old Thread  #263 26 Nov 2019 at 7.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Are you working for Cyprinus Wayne.....No but should get commmision for the amount i praise there bivvies and what people have bought......

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   Old Thread  #262 26 Nov 2019 at 7.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same.. just bought the Compact 2 man DPM4 instead..with wrap
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I'm a sucker for a new bivvy but the fixed front, zip in groundsheet, weight and those cam lock detatchable bars have put me right off.... hallelujah it's literally a miracle my bivvy-itis has been cured
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   Old Thread  #260 26 Nov 2019 at 6.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Are you working for Cyprinus Wayne
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   Old Thread  #259 26 Nov 2019 at 6.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers Wayne. I guess they just wanted
To be original.
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   Old Thread  #258 26 Nov 2019 at 6.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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From the video am I right in thinking the 3 camlock poles are unattached? You then have to Fit them?

Yes, they pop onto male inserts then extend to tension the front........
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   Old Thread  #257 26 Nov 2019 at 5.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There raised about 4Ē a few companyís offer it.
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   Old Thread  #256 26 Nov 2019 at 5.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Zip in ground sheet sounds like a terrible idea too? How well will a zip work when itís been sat in a load of gritty mud?
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   Old Thread  #255 26 Nov 2019 at 3.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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think ill go for the sonik axs instead cheaper and almost the same design.......
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   Old Thread  #254 26 Nov 2019 at 3.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
From the video am I right in thinking the
3 camlock poles are unattached? You then have to
Fit them?
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   Old Thread  #253 26 Nov 2019 at 3.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They didnít specify whoís patent.
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   Old Thread  #252 26 Nov 2019 at 1.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had similar reaction to 'patented'
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   Old Thread  #251 26 Nov 2019 at 12.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Revolutionary design
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   Old Thread  #250 26 Nov 2019 at 12.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Here's ya specs, available to pre order now on Cyprinus website for anyone wishing to swallow the brave pill...

typhoon
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   Old Thread  #249 26 Nov 2019 at 10.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Skull cap will be available in the future......
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   Old Thread  #248 26 Nov 2019 at 10.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It looks like to me if those extendable poles were on a tempest they would snap under pressure. When you pull the center pole down on a tempest it pulls the whole bivvy into shape but it take some pressure to get it locked down.
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   Old Thread  #247 26 Nov 2019 at 10.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It looks like they extend out the same to me, I see they have the blocks for a skull cap so they must intend taking a skull cap out at some point.

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   Old Thread  #246 26 Nov 2019 at 9.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Nice looking tent lol.
I'll be interested to see a stripped out brolly version.
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   Old Thread  #245 26 Nov 2019 at 8.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I really am disappointed with the poles that slide in the block. That will be one of the first things to go, in my opinion.
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   Old Thread  #244 26 Nov 2019 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You have to zip the groundsheet on first if you want to zip it on to get the right shape, if not just put it in as normal. Skull cap will not require you to use the vapour shield......so double skin only.

Green one will look better when it arrives and they I believe will be bringing out a stripped out brolly version.......
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Iíve never owned a shelter with a zip in groundsheet. Are they a massive hassle to line up the zips when you are kneeling on the ground sheet?

Also Iíve never owned a tempest, so not sure on this, does the top extend out further than a tempest or would this still need a skull cap to stop rain coming in? Making it a triple layered shelter?
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   Old Thread  #242 26 Nov 2019 at 7.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes thats what I'm not to keen on, I might just wait a bit longer now for more pics and user reviews after a few months or just get the v2 advanced brolly like I originally was.
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   Old Thread  #241 26 Nov 2019 at 6.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe a pointless tweak so its not 100% copy
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   Old Thread  #240 25 Nov 2019 at 11.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I wonder why they went with the cam locks on the front? 100% they will start to slip after a while, but it looks like their are three of them so maybe that will take a bit of the strain.
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   Old Thread  #239 25 Nov 2019 at 6.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I remember buying the venture razorlite brolly, the second generation one, very angular shaped. Came with cam locks. This thing needed tension to give it it's shape and strength, the poles that came with it were slipping back in under pressure after a couple of uses. Had to buy full set of cygnet dual thumb screw sticks. Kinda took away from the speedy set up and ultimately lost love with it. This cyprinus tempest doesn't even have the option to replace cam lock with screws, so yeah, if that part stops working...

I'll let others be guinea pigs on this one I think, although no doubting it looks smart
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   Old Thread  #238 25 Nov 2019 at 6.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Handsome looking shelter .... Im not a fan of camo, nor of the heavyweight material so I wouldnt buy one new. i'll wait for the novelty to wear off, price reduces, and second hand price plummets and I might try one
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   Old Thread  #237 25 Nov 2019 at 6.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I reckon youíre right about the cam locks
Plus Iím not too sure about the front bars pushing onto small push ons,
Like you say, one issue with them, the bivvy is knackered
Think Iíll stick with my original trakker compersite,
Had it a few years now, and been one off the best bivvies Iíve had,
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   Old Thread  #236 25 Nov 2019 at 5.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Looks a ball ache with those joins in the poles and 3 push on poles at the block and tensioning from the front. I bet itís featherweight with 20000hh material too!
Looks nice though
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Looks tidy, my concerns are the way the rear vents are held out, I could see me adding little guy ropes to those to tension them better, and the front being held in shape by cam lock tension poles... I love the idea of cam lock, but everything I've had that uses them eventually ends up slipping. That happens on this thing and the whole shape and strength of it is potentially fooked!

Just my 2 penneth!
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   Old Thread  #234 25 Nov 2019 at 5.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It pisses me of that they do a teaser video rather than a full product explanation and give the dimensions etc . I'm in the market for a new bivvy. Don't have the patience for all this bull@@it.
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   Old Thread  #233 25 Nov 2019 at 5.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
that's a complete system at a bang on price in my opinion
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   Old Thread  #232 25 Nov 2019 at 5.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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try this link
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   Old Thread  #231 25 Nov 2019 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just seen video on Facebook - looks good !!!
Canít do links sorry
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   Old Thread  #230 25 Nov 2019 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Video up on Facebook now
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   Old Thread  #229 25 Nov 2019 at 3.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oh great the anticipation is ruined now
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   Old Thread  #228 25 Nov 2019 at 3.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can someone link to it on here please. Because Iím not 12 years old I donít have faceache.
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   Old Thread  #227 25 Nov 2019 at 3.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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.This new cyprinus shelter looks interesting,no locking collar on the bar like the tempest,so might be even easier to put up
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   Old Thread  #226 25 Nov 2019 at 3.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A video will be online tonight, they just said.
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   Old Thread  #225 25 Nov 2019 at 3.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They are just wanting for their Chinese translator to read the instructions.
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   Old Thread  #224 25 Nov 2019 at 3.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't think Cyprinus know yet
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I donít earn commission from jag. Itís a sex thing big boy.
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Does anyone know the dimensions yet?
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Just because you use a thimble as a shelter short stack.You buy one with all your commission from JAG
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Stop being a tight northerner and buy one. Then you can test it for us.
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   Old Thread  #218 25 Nov 2019 at 1.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And the price drop...
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I will wait see a bit more and let people field test it first
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I like the look of it so far.
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Looks like 3 front poles extend
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Looks good...
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I'm in
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Screenshot-20191125-112506
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Oooo first pics on fb page don't show a lot mind
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Iíve just seen on sky news that the Conservative party have changed their election slogan to

ďget typhoon doneĒ

Apparently brexit wasnít enough of a challenge



I would also like to point out that when cyprinus said released in time for Christmas, they didnít say which year.
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Got ta be a sales plot
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Tell me about it, they said pics and video was going up this weekend
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I know! The money from my old old bivvy sale is dwindling as its sat in the cupboard, wont be anything left in a minute
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   Old Thread  #205 23 Nov 2019 at 10.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hurry up how much longer
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   Old Thread  #203 23 Nov 2019 at 11.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I heard that the delay is that Trakker and Aqua havenít posted pictures of their new designs yet
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   Old Thread  #202 21 Nov 2019 at 10.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol
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   Old Thread  #201 21 Nov 2019 at 9.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My lunch?
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   Old Thread  #200 21 Nov 2019 at 9.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Me neither, but it does make sense that the biggest object associated with angling is the thing we try to camouflage.
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   Old Thread  #199 21 Nov 2019 at 7.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No quite sure on this camo bivvy trend
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   Old Thread  #198 21 Nov 2019 at 7.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Which is about what it's worth if it proves to be a quality product, we only think it's a bargain as the other manufacturers have been taking the mick for years.
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   Old Thread  #197 21 Nov 2019 at 7.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yup and in camo
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   Old Thread  #196 21 Nov 2019 at 7.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Be even better if it's the higher grade material too
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   Old Thread  #195 21 Nov 2019 at 7.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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From what they have described surely it is a trakker tempest advanced 100 rebranded with everything included for 400 quid.. just added up the trakker equivalent of near 900!
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   Old Thread  #194 20 Nov 2019 at 12.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #193 20 Nov 2019 at 10.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Surely that would of had samples tho before the shipment arrived?
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   Old Thread  #192 20 Nov 2019 at 8.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They canít post up pictures until they open the container and see what China have sent them. I bet they are as curious what itís gonna be like as we are
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   Old Thread  #191 20 Nov 2019 at 0.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Proper longing this out ain't they
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   Old Thread  #190 17 Nov 2019 at 10.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pics and video end of this week now...
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   Old Thread  #189 17 Nov 2019 at 1.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So is the Tempest advanced 100 considered to be an improvement over the Tempest v2 bivvy then?
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   Old Thread  #188 16 Nov 2019 at 2.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
My guess is the boat with the shipping containers on has been delayed.
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   Old Thread  #187 16 Nov 2019 at 1.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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LOL, I thought the same
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   Old Thread  #186 16 Nov 2019 at 1.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #185 16 Nov 2019 at 12.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Theyíve dragged this launch out longer than Brexit.
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   Old Thread  #184 16 Nov 2019 at 10.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A camo tempest sounds good to me not keen on a sewn in groundsheet though or vapor shield i would rather use an overwrap.
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   Old Thread  #183 15 Nov 2019 at 3.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thank god for the mad caps that jump in
Without looking. Who else is going to test it?
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   Old Thread  #182 15 Nov 2019 at 2.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Cyprinus have posted again on Facebook saying that images and videos are due for release by the end of next week...

Mad that there are people wanting to pre order without even seeing it

Even madder that Cyprinus are coming across as though even they don't know what the finished article will be like

Also Cyprinus mentioned a price all in of circa £400, compared to Trakkers £699.99 for just the main bivvy.

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   Old Thread  #181 14 Nov 2019 at 10.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I heard the tempest 100 was very low ?

so if they have made it the same height ? then they will have missed out on a lot of sales IMHO
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   Old Thread  #180 13 Nov 2019 at 1.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just goes to show you canít please everyone

Lol
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   Old Thread  #179 13 Nov 2019 at 1.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There just pointless on uneven ground,and most places I fish are just that...
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   Old Thread  #178 13 Nov 2019 at 1.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You could always cut it out lol
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   Old Thread  #177 13 Nov 2019 at 11.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hope it hasn't as I never use them...
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   Old Thread  #176 12 Nov 2019 at 4.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Bivvies with sewn in groundsheets are best used with a footprint. Which is basically a separate groundsheet under the zip in one. I have this on my Fox Euro continental dome. It saves having to clean the groundsheet attached to the bivvy.
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   Old Thread  #175 12 Nov 2019 at 1.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I was told zip in ground sheet, think that's a typo
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   Old Thread  #174 12 Nov 2019 at 11.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sewn in ground sheet? that's gonna be a proper ball ache.
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   Old Thread  #173 12 Nov 2019 at 10.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
For those not on Facebook...

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   Old Thread  #172 12 Nov 2019 at 7.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #171 12 Nov 2019 at 7.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
They will be making quite a bit of money when customers call the customer service line which is a premium number

Expect to pay upto 50p a minute.

What a rip off.
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   Old Thread  #170 11 Nov 2019 at 8.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Any news?
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   Old Thread  #169 7 Nov 2019 at 11.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I have nothing but praise for there customer service. Wanted to return a bivvy last year because it was not what i wanted and they refunded me £100 to keep it which was fine as i sold it for the remaining balance i was owed.

Bought the 1 man M4 and returned via drop and swap for the 2 man within 2 days of asking.......
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   Old Thread  #168 7 Nov 2019 at 9.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Cant wait to see this latest bivvyÖ
Might even be tempted myself...love my DPM4...
Only bivvy ive had for a long time where you get no condensation at all...
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they are getting mixed reviews on Facebook with regards after sales service. I wont lie, it made me think twice when i was looking at the M4 .... of course, having said the big guys are regularly slaughtered for customer service also,

Cyprinus arent stupid, they have seen the interest for the Typhoon and will price according to potential demand .... My guess is they will start discounting after the initial clamour has died down
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   Old Thread  #166 6 Nov 2019 at 12.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I was told £400 to start.. I imagine it will reduce in 6 months
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   Old Thread  #165 6 Nov 2019 at 12.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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True, but there are regulations for selling gear and after service.
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   Old Thread  #164 6 Nov 2019 at 11.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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With the volume they shift, I can't imagine they would lose much sleep if you didn't buy a replacement.

The £450 people are quoting could be their RRP. If you look at their website, all their products are discounted so whilst the £450 could be their recommended price, they may well sell for substantially less than that.
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   Old Thread  #163 6 Nov 2019 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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At 450 pounds, I won't buy another one!
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   Old Thread  #162 6 Nov 2019 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I expect their business model is such that they do not need to offer an after service if someone knackers one of their bivvies - they work on the basis they are cheap enough that you just buy another one.
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   Old Thread  #161 6 Nov 2019 at 11.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Also depends how you approach them.
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   Old Thread  #160 6 Nov 2019 at 10.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's not good,it seems trakker can be the same though.Some people get excellent service and foc items and some get charged and fobbed off.It seems like it depends who you talk to there
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   Old Thread  #159 6 Nov 2019 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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never dealt with them myself but have repaired a few where people had not luck getting bivvies sorted by cyprinus. its all fine and dandy doing a cheap bivvy but you need to offer an after service should it have a problem
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   Old Thread  #158 6 Nov 2019 at 7.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Then cyprinus will lose market share soon....
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Itís £450 because the demand is building for Cyprinus bivvies and this Typhoon.......
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   Old Thread  #156 5 Nov 2019 at 10.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah seems a bit much doesn't it, their M4 with wrap and all you need is only £320 ish and that's aquatexx 20000hh with rear vents too
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   Old Thread  #155 5 Nov 2019 at 9.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think at 450 they are going a bit too high on the price
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   Old Thread  #154 5 Nov 2019 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes that's what I was told by cyprinus themselves.
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   Old Thread  #153 5 Nov 2019 at 9.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
At 450 it's just another cheap chinese shelter at a big price imo. I was hoping for a cheapo TB copy.
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   Old Thread  #152 5 Nov 2019 at 9.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Let's round it off at 399 then!
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   Old Thread  #151 5 Nov 2019 at 9.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If it comes with everything included, built in peak and no need for a wrap I think £400 would see them sell alot
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   Old Thread  #150 5 Nov 2019 at 9.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're right. But I hoped it would be around the 300 mark.
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   Old Thread  #149 5 Nov 2019 at 9.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If comparing it to the tempest or pioneer then it's not that bad
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   Old Thread  #148 5 Nov 2019 at 8.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wow 450 pounds. That sounds like a lot of dough.
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They have really built this up to be good, hope it's not a massive let down.What are their customer service like if have any issues
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   Old Thread  #146 5 Nov 2019 at 8.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Zip in ground sheet apparently.

I hope it has a peak..
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It also has an internal condensation stopper which the tempest doesnt have so must be slightly different

I believe it also has vents? ..... Sounds more like Nash Hide XL in Aquatexx
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   Old Thread  #144 5 Nov 2019 at 8.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol yes just hoping it's gonna be lightweight that's all as I really struggle now pushing my Barrow about.
Proper does me in.
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They can't win really can they.Too small will put people off,too big and heavy will put others off
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