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   Old Thread  #865 14 Dec 2019 at 10.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #864 14 Dec 2019 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So labour didnít then.... cos thereís plenty on my FB to prove it.... had a friend ( labour activist) sent most including sneaky ones such as telling folk that if they wanted Brexit they should put an X in both Tory and Brexit boxes to ensure it happening...Trying to get plenty of null and void papers to aid the labour candidate
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   Old Thread  #863 14 Dec 2019 at 9.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Similar to me James. Labour all the way but not Corbins way.

Time for a rethink now and hopefully a step in the right direction, some new thinking
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   Old Thread  #862 14 Dec 2019 at 9.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A healthy functioning democracy needs a balanced press and media !
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   Old Thread  #861 14 Dec 2019 at 9.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Shame Germany didnít invade otherwise we would be turfing 6ft blonde blue eyed babes and driving Mercs and Porches
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   Old Thread  #860 14 Dec 2019 at 9.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Been good down my way 😊. .. and before you start getting all Bertie cos your lot lost, no I havenít been asleep for 9 years 😡 I come from a strong labour household Iíve never voted Tory in my life ... my father was a staunch labour man, he wouldnít even buy our council house for 10 grand cos it wasnít what the working man did and I very much doubt if he would of voted for Corbyn and heís cronies especially Abbott ... likewise many people I know who I would of had down as die hard labour not voting for them for the same reasons... weíve had the vote weíll see if we were right... itís called Democracy

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   Old Thread  #859 14 Dec 2019 at 8.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
heís gone to bed

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   Old Thread  #858 14 Dec 2019 at 8.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well sunni Islam still hasnít forgotten Richard the lionheart. So grudges can last a while!
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   Old Thread  #857 14 Dec 2019 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mal,

I'm not looking for an eye for an eye or any kind of retribution.
And yes, many countries in conflicts will have had blood on their hands, but in Europe, at least, nothing comes remotely close to the enormity of the Holocaust by comparison.
I know it was over 70 years ago, but an atrocity of that magnitude is not easily forgotten or forgiven.
If you actually visited the Auschwitz camp, I imagine it would have reduced you and your students to tears.

Given the tone of some of your previous posts, I presumed your " peace and love " phrase was you being flippant. As you say not, then you have my apology.
Re your words on respect, I do try and show it to other members in my posts.

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   Old Thread  #856 14 Dec 2019 at 8.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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These were Corbyn's pledges , "stealing kid's futures " just one of the many lies pushed by the press and media , you can't win an election against that level of bias and funding


Here's a short list of some of the stuff that the British electorate rejected in the 2019 General Election:
A 33% reduction in rail fares
A National Education Service and an end to rip-off tuition fees
The most ambitious environmental targets of all the major parties
An end to the systematic government abuse of sick and disabled people
£10 per hour minimum wage, and zero hours contracts banned
Reversal of the 67% Tory cut to the local government budget
Repayment of the pension money stolen from 1950s women
The rollout of free super-fast broadband
Re-investment in the NHS
Free dental checkups
So why did the British electorate reject all of this, in favour of an economy-tanking Tory administered Brexit shambles?

In my view there are two main reasons that British people decided that Corbyn was some kind of evil Santa offering impossible gifts: the bombardment of lies and the credibility gap.

The bombardment of lies

The research shows that 88% of the sponsored Conservative adverts injected into millions of people's Facebook feeds were demonstrable lies, mainly about the cost of Labour's policies and the absurd lie that everyone's tax bill would jump by £2,400, despite Labour's costed pledge not to increase Income Tax for anyone earning below £80,000.

Then on election day a fake "independent" Conservative front organisation launched a massive illegal propaganda campaign targeting polling stations in marginal constituencies across the country.

If you look at their illegally posted anti-Corbyn poster, you can see how much they were lying.

Apparently Evil Santa was threatening to "steal the children's inheritance", by, err, properly funding their education, freeing them from student debt, paying them £10 per hour, charging them 33% less for getting to work, building hundreds of thousands of affordable homes, and investing in high-tech, high-skill, high-pay industries.

Labour's policy was actually to maintain the inheritance tax threshold at £325,000, but scrap an additional property allowance, meaning the absolute maximum extra inheritance tax anyone would have had to have paid was £40,000, but only on inheritances of over £425,000.

Apparently this £40,000 paid only by the children of the property rich, was "stealing the children's future", but saving everyone who attends university from repaying rip-off inflation + 3% loans that most won't even pay off in their entire working lives, guaranteeing them all a decent wage whenever they leave school, and saving any of them who end up commuting to work fortunes on their rail tickets every year is unspeakably awful!

Then Evil Santa apparently wanted to "dictate their education", which is a total reversal of reality. The fact is that 75% of secondary schools in England have been privatised into the hands of unaccountable private operators, many of them major Tory party figures and donors, who get to control the curriculum, and dictate our children's education. Corbyn wanted to reverse this.

Point three is the terrorism smear-mongering which has dogged Evil Santa the entire time because he openly proposed talking to the Sinn Fťin politicians before the Irish peace process and the Good Friday Agreement, at a time when Thatcher and her Tory government were secretly negotiating with the actual terrorists behind a wall of secrecy.
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   Old Thread  #855 14 Dec 2019 at 8.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Shame we're still looking for someone to blame for our woes. Good dose of looking in the mirror is required. We keep electing the government's so it's our own fault.

Same as then, look at the two monkeys who have been fighting for the position this time. Makes the previous ones look like superstars
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   Old Thread  #854 14 Dec 2019 at 7.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hey BB

Those that committed the atrocities (if they are still alive) should never sleep easy.

But we can't continue to vilify a nation - who are now populated by a generation who were largely born after the war - for the sins of their ancestors. If that's the case then NONE of us can sleep easy as there are no innocent countries are there? History has left blood on the hands of many many countries.

I had the honour of meeting a survivor from Auschwitz when i took a group of students for a visit there a few years back. He had been 16 (around the same age as many of the students) when he was freed and had lost his parents and brothers in the Holocaust - and the most inspiring thing he said was that he had not wasted his life with hate toward his captors. We - the students and staff involved - learned a lot from the visit. I learned a lot about the treatment of my own Gypsy ancestors in the camps and in occupied Europe at the time and it has definitely shaped my outlook on humanity.

I use the 'peace and love' thing as a way of (hopefully) showing respect to others on here who have different points of view (and a cheeky nod to the Beatles of course). It is however something that i believe. If we all tried to treat each other with more of both on a daily basis then the world would be a better place.

Someone wiser than me once said 'an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind'

No jokes or sarcasm in this one.

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   Old Thread  #853 14 Dec 2019 at 7.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mal,

" Peace and love man "

I'm not sure the remaining relatives would agree with you of the 6 million old men, women and children, exterminated in the most cold-blooded, industrial scale genocide the world has ever seen.

I thank my lucky stars I wasn't born a German.
Imagine having that on your conscience.

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   Old Thread  #852 14 Dec 2019 at 7.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Something's not right...
Pretty simple, good governance with an economic plan.
Shame we're still looking for someone to blame for our woes. Good dose of looking in the mirror is required. We keep electing the government's so it's our own fault.
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   Old Thread  #851 14 Dec 2019 at 7.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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at the risk of being called an old hippy Fred, it was a world war. Everyone lost.



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