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   Old Thread  #194 22 Mar 2019 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It's not just those parties that are to blame.

The deal from the EU isn't May's deal, it's the EU's deal and they were prepared to give us next to effall to make a stand and show other countries that are considering leaving the club how bad it will be... They are after all fighting for their future...


Every single MP's that have voted against the deal is just voting to damage the country even more than a deal exit would.... shockingly poor behaviour... Do they really think that they'll get any more from the EU? .... idiots.....

May was right.. It's the MP's fault that were in this dilema, nobody elses fault, just the MP's.

It's about time they grew up and did what would be best for the UK and stop smarting at May giving them a public hiding which is what they deserved.
If we end up with a no deal exit every single MP that voted against the deal will be to blame... just remeber that.. it's nobody elses fault.

lol... the quicker this is over the better....







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   Old Thread  #193 21 Mar 2019 at 9.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Well, I donít think politicians know just how much hatred has developed against them Ė they was given a very simple set of instructions by the majority of their Bosses (The ones who pay their wages, the ones who pay their huge pensions, the ones who pay for their lavish life styles) The fact that they have been able to just mess around for three years, shows the whole political system is a joke, and needs one quality thatís absent incorporating into it Ė accountability!

I donít know a single person who would even Pee on a Politician who was on fire, especially Labour and Liberal ones!
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   Old Thread  #192 20 Mar 2019 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol

Looks like a no deal exit on the 29th if the deal is rejected again..... bad news for the UK in the short term at least....

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   Old Thread  #191 20 Mar 2019 at 3.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The vote was like a referendum on getting a new car. Nige said it would be a 4x4, Boris a nice big luxury saloon, Liam Fox promised a convertible, David Davis said it would be really fast Ö but they all agreed it would BE BETTER than what we had.

Nearly three years later, it turns out to be a 1978 Austin Allegro. In orange.

Itís that or no-deal, which is a space hopper. Some politicians point out that space hoppers are good cardio exercise, although they probably wonít actually be bouncing around on one themselves, and they happen to have shares in a company that makes rubbery plastics.

Either way, weíll probably come to realize the original motor wasnít so bad at all.
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   Old Thread  #190 20 Mar 2019 at 10.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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they never wanted us to leave.

the whole thing has been a big stalling tactic to stay in which we will. May's only job was to keep us in which she has done expertly. A long extension will now follow with us having another "vote". This time remain will win and we will stay.
They get what they wanted all along. Final proof for me that democracy does not exist.
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   Old Thread  #189 19 Mar 2019 at 3.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Weak politicians in the uk with no backbone whatsoever f?cking disgrace leave won simple.
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   Old Thread  #188 19 Mar 2019 at 2.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The EU will probably only be willing to grant an extension based on some rediculous demands, likely more
Money or a second vote. Given the way our parliament have behaved the only choice would be to bend over for them, or stand up and leave without a deal. I bet we can all agree which way our weak government would lean, followed by the majority of parliament!
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   Old Thread  #187 19 Mar 2019 at 8.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The EU find the prospect of the UK exiting without a deal as frightening and preposterous as we do (well, the majority of us, anyway).
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   Old Thread  #186 19 Mar 2019 at 6.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Lol.... another twist to the story with Bercow's efforts in parliament yesterday.

Will we now exit with a no deal if the EU reject an extension of article 50 from the 29th?... if the deal has no chance of being passed and the EU know this then they may well reject an extension.....

Or will there be a short extension or extended.....possibly permanent delay on brexit?.... nobody knows...
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   Old Thread  #185 13 Mar 2019 at 10.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's a debt.

No option to not pay it.

Unless we really want to f*** ourselves over...
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   Old Thread  #184 13 Mar 2019 at 9.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Leaving with no deal and not paying the divorce bill would be the best outcome now....

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   Old Thread  #183 13 Mar 2019 at 1.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The way things are going, I think itís going to get to the point where we donít end up leaving at all.

I was listening to a debate last night, and when it was put a certain way, itís clear the MPs are deliberately stalling:

1st they vote not to leave with a deal, then it seems odds on that tonight they vote not to leave with no deal. The EU will not negotiate a new deal, especially if no deal is taken off the table. By process of elimination, that leaves stay as the only option!

I voted remain, but fully accept the result of the vote. I wish our MPs would do the same and get on with it!
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   Old Thread  #182 13 Mar 2019 at 0.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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as the MP's know it's worse than the deal for the country...

LMFAO no mate its not its just worse for them !!!!!

the best thing ever would be what we voted for to leave the failed EU leave with no deal and pay them nothing
but it wont happen of course
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   Old Thread  #181 12 Mar 2019 at 7.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What now?? ... well.. Now were in the endgame.


The EU have not moved on their deal, they have changed nothing.
Tomorrow the vote to leave with no deal. Big shock if that is approved as the MP's know it's worse than the deal for the country...


So it'll be an extension to article 50 but the EU have already said there will be no other deal on the table......

Ho Ho.....


Best I apply for the IDP soon and remember to get a green card ordered for the France trip in July....
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   Old Thread  #180 11 Mar 2019 at 10.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can't see another vote happening.
But if it did, and a 'remain' vote won, there would have to be another vote for true democracy \ level playing field. (best of three)
And what if we voted to leave, AGAIN? Then what?
A right mess in other words.
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   Old Thread  #179 10 Mar 2019 at 4.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Eh?
You can see why they are fighting who?
Theyíre not fighting with and executing politicians.
Iíll see your political corruption in the west and raise you... Africa
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   Old Thread  #178 10 Mar 2019 at 4.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #177 10 Mar 2019 at 10.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Correct
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   Old Thread  #176 10 Mar 2019 at 5.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís been obvious from day one that we will adventually be told that we are not leaving. Wether by vote or otherwise. I could be wrong but I doubt it. We are just the small people in a world dominated by money.
Love your family, love your friends and treat everyone with the same respect as you expect yourself and just try and get on in life. And when it comes to the government...........take what you can and give nothing back.

On another note, but same vibe......

I watched an interview with one of the members of the Beatles (isis) the other day and although he and his band of brothers need bleeding out from small puncture wounds he did say something that was spot on...
It was something along the lines of - every country in the world suffers from some form of corruption, even in Islamic states but no one has anything on the corruption of the west...........
I honesty couldnít believe I was agreeing with such an animal but when I finished watching it all I could honestly say that I can see why they are fighting us. Sad but true.

Anyone else watched anything like this and thought the same or am I turning into something I hate?
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   Old Thread  #175 9 Mar 2019 at 10.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Lol. One of the possible options going forward is a new vote which could see Brexit cancelled.

How would you feel about that? .... not good I'd guess...
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   Old Thread  #174 6 Mar 2019 at 2.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe you should go and live in Bradford before you start playing the racist card. Go on, fill your boots with cultural enrchment and diversity.
Anyone wanting to remain in bondage to the new world order in Brussels, feel free to **** off over there and you can have all the cheese your little hearts desire. Go now while you have the chance and the borders are open.
The CK plan is in full flow.
Leaver, and non repentant. **** EU.
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   Old Thread  #173 19 Feb 2019 at 11.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm sure they are looking after there own manufacturing back in Japan they have they shut up shop in Turkey also with the new trade agreement with Japan.
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   Old Thread  #172 18 Feb 2019 at 2.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No, just honda. As said before Nissan are just not adding more production. 2 very different things. Enough of your remoaner scaremongering...
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   Old Thread  #171 18 Feb 2019 at 2.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
"Japanese carmaker Honda is set to announce the closure of its Swindon plant in 2022, putting 3,500 jobs at risk, sources say.

Last year, the senior vice-president of Honda Europe warned that if the UK left the EU without a deal, it would cost his company tens of millions of pounds.

Ian Howells told the BBC that quitting the bloc without an agreement would affect the carmaker's competitiveness in Europe."


Looks like Honda have decided to stop producing cars in the UK no matter what comes out of Brexit. So that's Nissan and Honda now...
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   Old Thread  #170 7 Feb 2019 at 3.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol. I didn't know this but a quick google and you'll find that almost every single Euro 6 diesel fails to comply with NOx limits.


But then if we all moved to Petrol then Co2 figs would go through the roof which was why we were encouraged to move to diesel in the first place. Hybrids also hold a long term hazardous waste issue with the batteries and it depends on how your electricity is generated as to how much your damaging the environment charging a car. There's also an issue with the electricity grid capacity..



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   Old Thread  #169 7 Feb 2019 at 8.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry double post
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   Old Thread  #167 7 Feb 2019 at 8.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donít believe the hype, it was rehearsed and planned! Itís all about putting TM and negotiating team on a high thinking they have the high ground and lowering their guard. All this is brinkmanship and litigation techniques. Did you see the Irish prime minister he looked absolutely sheepish, like a naughty school boy, he was embarrassed at the start then laughing and joking when they left.

They will still give nothing away and send TM packing. Itís like Neville Chamberlin all over again, but TM will never be a Winston Churchill or Maggie Thatcher!

I would like to think it will be a no deal but I would wager a couple of quid on a short extension and the MPs will vote for the current deal locking us into a backstop which no one wants because of Business pressure.
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   Old Thread  #166 6 Feb 2019 at 6.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donald Tusk covers himself in glory again today.
The cracks are showing.
If only there was another referendum.
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   Old Thread  #165 6 Feb 2019 at 10.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not all Euro 6 are compliant either
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   Old Thread  #164 6 Feb 2019 at 9.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It has
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   Old Thread  #163 6 Feb 2019 at 9.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think that's been edited.
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   Old Thread  #162 6 Feb 2019 at 6.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He wrote 2007 or newer petrol which is correct.
He also wrote diesel should be Euro 6 which is also correct.
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   Old Thread  #161 5 Feb 2019 at 9.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You wrote a 2007 or newer... My van is 8 years newer than that and is liable.. I couldn't care less as its a works van but others don't necessarily, so your info is wrong
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No, I was not wrong...Read what I wrote...

If your vehicle does not meet the ULEZ standards you will have to pay a daily charge to travel within the area.

The ULEZ standards:

Euro 3 for Motorcycles, mopeds, motorised tricycles and quadricycles
Euro 4 for petrol cars, vans, minibuses and other specialist vehicles
Euro 6 for diesel cars, vans, minibuses and other specialist vehicles
Euro VI for heavy vehicles including lorries and other specialist vehicles over 3.5T and buses and coaches over 5T

You do not have a Euro 6 diesel van then you'll be charged. Bad luck there.
Euro 4 petrol cars/vans are now getting old. Sell the diesel Van and get a petrol. You do have 2 years to do this for the expanded ULEZ zone....


No, I don't think the ULEZ is a good idea, it's just another tax that impacts decent hard working people....
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   Old Thread  #159 5 Feb 2019 at 7.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All fake news. Nissan arenít moving any production. They had planned 2/3 years ago to build x-trail in Japan and in Sunderland for EU market. Since then the EU have basically killed the diesel market and want them all banned. So why should nissan build a car here that no one will buy.. also if it was a brexit decision why donít they just build it in a plant in Europe..
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   Old Thread  #158 5 Feb 2019 at 12.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís a tax on air.
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   Old Thread  #157 5 Feb 2019 at 11.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sell it early and preferably up north somewhere
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   Old Thread  #156 5 Feb 2019 at 11.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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More fireworks by the Mayor of London in support of the EU

and to move more of the employees of TfL onto 6 figure yearly salaries
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And can anyone tell me how the money raised by this swingeing tax is going to be used to help the planet?
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   Old Thread  #154 5 Feb 2019 at 0.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Problem is, anyone in or around London is just going to get shafted with the prices on the second hand vans too as nobodies going to want them. Iím going to sell it well early to try and get a good price back as surely the arse is going to fall out the bottom of them.
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   Old Thread  #153 4 Feb 2019 at 11.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We have 2016 Corsa eco diesel vans at work with stop/start and they are also liable
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   Old Thread  #152 4 Feb 2019 at 10.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wrong again, I have a 65 plate van which I've just checked and will be liable for the charge
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   Old Thread  #151 4 Feb 2019 at 8.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You just need a euro 4 petrol car/van or euro 6 diesel car/van.

So it's not going to be expensive to avoid paying the charge..... that's a 2007 or newer petrol van or car and you pay nothing.

I'd still be pi$$ed if I had to buy a new vehicle though....


On another brexit issue, good news on how the ports will operate if we have a no deal exit.
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   Old Thread  #150 4 Feb 2019 at 2.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It is scandalous...

I occasionally have to drive my 2004 reg Peugeot 2.0 hdi-engined Partner. It sailed through its emissions at its MOT in Dec '18 so for the time being it can still be driven around Devon and Cornwall without the squeaky greens flinging their wrath at me.

Though there are a few drawbacks to living in rural England, I thanks the good Lord that is don't have to put up with this kind of stealth tax...YET!
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   Old Thread  #149 4 Feb 2019 at 11.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Being totally bent over again, thatís all it is.

My mates got a scaffolding firm and itís going to cost him £2000 a MONTH per lorry just on the ulez, heís a young busy new firm and canít afford to buy 2x euro 6 compliant trucks.
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   Old Thread  #148 4 Feb 2019 at 10.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's exactly right, just another attempt at scaremongering by Andy...
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I cannot faill to be flabbergasted by the 'softly softly' sneaky implementation of this ULEZ.
He has managed to keep this pretty much under the radar of all media.
This ULEZ charge is a per day thing ...........
So entering the zone at 10 to midnight and leaving at 10 past ...incurrs 2 x £20 = £40 charge.
I am sure there are thousands of motorists out there not fully aware of the full impact of this poison dwarfs plans.hE is heading towards bringing London to a no go area for so many businesses.
Sadly , even if he is ousted at the next election , I believe a new mayor will just carry on with all the changes and just keep blaming his predecessor . Like Boris and Ken.,

TFL is putting the blame on the humble car driver now , having allowed buses and black cabs to pollute away to their hearts content for donkey's years.

Here's another rant .....why are black cabs exempt and free ?
The money they charge to just sit still in traffic is beyond racketeering.
They are not public services and contribute massively to the overall congestion problem and emmisions problem.

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   Old Thread  #146 4 Feb 2019 at 8.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And small businesses Iíve got to replace my other van, a 16 plate euro 5 Renault traffic as itíll cost me £250 a month for it to be Driven into London, May as well buy a new van.
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   Old Thread  #145 3 Feb 2019 at 11.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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London's ULEZ will cover the area within the north and south circular in autumn 2021.
Another nail in the coffin of the Chelsea tractor
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The Eu and the UK have got it in for Diesels at the mo, the economics are all against big petrol and diesel guzzling 4x4's which the majority are not used to there full off road capabilities and only possibly switch into 4 wheel drive on the odd occasion. The markets are reducing for new vehicles as people are unsure on the future in cars as apparently by 2040 they are being fazed out! The new wonder market was China but that sector is slowing for new car purchases!

But Hey Ho lets blame Brexit!

Nissan didn't even mute that as a major reason, and they will still be building cars here with no redundancies until it becomes financially unsound, not Brexit





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   Old Thread  #143 3 Feb 2019 at 4.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No they haven't, they have just decided not to start producing one of their models here which is currently made in Japan and shipped over here. They will still continue to produce the models they already do here
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Hasnít car manufacturing and almost all large scale manufacturing been moving out of the uk over the last 15years!
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I see in the news that Nissan has decided to move production away from UK..
Toyota wants the UK to take the EU's exit deal.
Jag LR extending shutdown due to Brexit.


Glad I don't work in this sector as the future looks bleak ATM. Why would any manufacturer build cars in the UK if tariffs are imposed when they get exported to the EU?...


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She had a binary choice but as she's not very good with numbers she got it wrong
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Talking of racists only being on the leave side, where does she fall 🤭🤔
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Diane Abacus calculates about £14,000,000 or £140,000 or £14 and please stop bullying her!

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Iíd love to know what Mogg earns, bet he earns his yearly mp salary in a couple of days through his investment business
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Brexit, brought about by David Cameron's decision to hold a referendum, is going really well (sarcasm).

Meanwhile, accounts show the former PM earned about £800k between November 2016 and April 2018.

That's a little over £41,000 a month.

Nice work if you can get it.
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The choice wasn't binary. Yes, there may well be morons on the remain side but we know where all the racists are don't we? If you are happy to be on the same side as them, fine, perhaps they share your ideas for where the country goes next.

ďThe choise wasnít binaryĒ - showed your hand there, bad loser.

ďYes, there may well be morons on the remain side but we know where all the racists are donít weĒ - if you believe that in the 15-16 million people that voted remain there are no racists then you my old pal are thick. Some idiots may have voted out because of racist views but that does not make them any worse than a racist that voted remain. A racist is a racist.

Now that that is out of the way and we have both got real, are you going to be ok knowing that you have got into bed with racists? Or are you going to try and cling to the fact that ďhopefullyĒ remain has less than leave?

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I cannot believe people are still falling for the agenda of scare tactics from MP's or Bureaucrats on either side of the water who only have their own interests at heart, midnight the 29th of March we leave with some form of deal so everything carries on no dramas but there are then probably years ahead to still unravel the deal and the implications but if we come out with no deal on the 30th Armageddon is going to happen, I'm sure common sense will prevail it still take years to unravel 40+ years of EU laws,trading,travel,security etc etc etc, but just encase because I really cant be arsed with stockpiling paracetamol they only sell you a couple of boxes at anyone time wherever you go can someone please point me in the direction of a street dealer with clean ibuprofen.
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I think the MP's have forgotten they are servants and representatives of the masses and not the other way round!

They have to remember their job is reliant on electorate support and this is what enables MP's to function.

At the end of Brexit, whether we leave or stay, a lot of MP's bum holes will be twitching as the good old days of safe party seats will be something relegated to the past! Safe seats where the MP who wore a red or blue rosette would automatically be re-elected will not be as safe as they think they will be.

Anyway i'm off to visit the shops to stockpile food, medicine and McDonalds burgers! Hopefully the Army wont stop me and before Kent becomes the lorry park of the world!
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   Old Thread  #132 29 Jan 2019 at 2.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
What will be will be theyíll always be a buncha cnuts anyway.
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Priceless....
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Hi 906,
" I am not going to answer any more of your questions."

Any more? You haven't answered any questions.
I asked for your positive reasons for staying in the EU.
I am intrigued as to why any citizen of any country would be happy to have their borders, judiciary, trade and fishing grounds, ruled over by a foreign power who don't have their best interests at heart.
Are you really so fearful that our country can't manage on its own in the world like almost every other country in the world does?
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We pay for membership of the EU like the other members do. We pay more than nearly all of them because we are one of the biggest economies. If another country wanted to join they would pay as well. No such thing as a free lunch.

Iíve no idea why they have referenced Kalergi in a prize. Trying to research anything about it without ending up on some alt-right conspiracy site is impossible. Iím not going any further.

In fact, I am not going to answer any more of your questions. Mainly because I canít be arsed to explain nuanced and complicated matters that will only be countered with a slogan like Ďproject fearí. Find a fact-checked resource and read it. Maybe the remain side is wrong, maybe the sunlit uplands are there to be had. But in two years we have gone from £350m a week for the NHS to we will prioritise medicine over food (the health sec. today). Jesus, as if food and medicine arenít positives enough for not letting this go any further.

This will not end well.
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   Old Thread  #128 28 Jan 2019 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi 906,
You haven't answered my trade question. I didn't ask how we might reduce our deficit, I asked how does it make any sense to pay £10 billion plus for the privilege. No other countries pay to trade why should we?
Re the Kalergi plan, if it is just a nonsense, then why does the EU celebrate it, as I pointed out in a previous post? Why is the EU trying to force member states to accept a quota of economic migrants?
You say the UK is an international laughing stock. I disagree. Where is your evidence for such a sweeping statement?
You give no positives for staying in the EU. The items you say you will miss is just scaremongering.
Of course, trade with the EU will continue. Several EU countries rely heavily on their trade with us.
Over 50% of our trade is outside the EU under WTO rules, so future trade with the EU can be the same.
Our best option is to go free trade and buy our imports at world prices. We have many countries queuing up to trade freely with us. This will greatly reduce import costs for the benefit of all.
The EU are running scared, because they know we can buy at world prices and undercut their inflated, protectionist prices.
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Sorry, I didn't realise you were asking me. There is a mass of information out there on how important our trade with Europe is. Do like I did, read both sides. The deficit is there because we buy stuff from abroad, perhaps if manufacturing and food production were increased in this country and we bought more Henry vacuums rather than Bosches that would change. Buy British, but then we don't, do we? The fact that the Brexiteer's favourite economist told a select committee that car manufacturing would have to be run down like steel and coal was is telling. If we aren't making stuff how will this deficit get better?

The Kalergi plan is a hundred years old. Bandying an old load of nonsense around as if it is still a current plan and not the antisemitic trope it has evolved into is a pointless distraction. Whilst I am broadly in agreement that a united Europe is a good thing the likelihood of such a terrible plan to get to that end being enacted is far less likely with 28 countries acting as checks and balances on each other. We were one of the biggest voices in the EU and punched far above our weight, now we are an international laughing stock.

The positives of staying in the EU? The way it is going I think we will miss the food, jobs and medicine most of all. The EU isn't perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

With a sensible divorce over many years leaving could have been done with much less impact, the way it is going, it will be massively damaging. Staying will keep our place in the world and we can go about retaining our standing. Leaving on WTO rules with no deals in place and the current government using their woeful negotiating skills to get us back to prosperity? Not a single hope.
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   Old Thread  #126 28 Jan 2019 at 7.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi 906,
Instead of repeatedly playing your racist card, how about giving us some of your positive reasons for staying in the EU. Do you actually have any?
I asked a question about trade. How about you answering it?
I asked a question about the Kalergi plan. Care to answer that?
Let's hear something positive from you other than identity politics.
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Iím neither thick or racist. Nor have I got into bed with any. Their are morons on both sides of this issue.

The choice wasn't binary. Yes, there may well be morons on the remain side but we know where all the racists are don't we? If you are happy to be on the same side as them, fine, perhaps they share your ideas for where the country goes next.
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   Old Thread  #124 28 Jan 2019 at 2.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Same old argument going back and forth from a remoaner's point of view if you want to come out of the EU your either a racist or too thick to lace up your flip flops.

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   Old Thread  #123 27 Jan 2019 at 5.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally agree with this post

On leaving I am in no doubt it will be troublesome to start with, but with companies and their desires for profits the barriers/hurdles and difficulties will be overcome. The desire of people and companies to make money transcends countries borders and political leanings!

The EU has made countries lazy and dependant on its inward facing monopoly, The EU hierarchy negotiates for all, they stipulate what can and can't be brought, and from whom, and all unelected managers with a token voted for MEP's to rubber stamp their decisions.

Project fear has now reached new heights with the threat of Martial Law! its leaving a trading cartel FFS not World War 3. All under legislation dated 2004 but I'm sure Brexit will get the blame for this as well
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Hi Bradford,
But the thing is, some remainers do tar us all with the same brush. It's called identity politics, which is the policy of the far left to create division.
The tiresome insults are evidence that they have nothing positive to say to promote their opinions.
I've yet to hear any convincing reasons for wanting to stay in the EU.
Re trade, I have a question:- we have a trade deficit with the EU of approx £80 billion per year. In what way does it make any sense to pay £10 billion plus a year for the privilege? Which other countries in the world pay to trade with the EU? On WTO rules, the average tariff is 5%, and as such, the EU will have to pay us £ billions in tariffs, to sell to us. But the best policy for us is to set no tariffs or non tariff barriers and go to free trade, and trade at world prices. Our imports would be cheaper to the benefit of all.
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   Old Thread  #121 27 Jan 2019 at 2.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím neither thick or racist. Nor have I got into bed with any. Their are morons on both sides of this issue. Please donít tar us all with the same brush.
As for what are you going to get out of this - whatever you want. You will still be able to work/live in any of these other 27 countries as long as you bring something to the table and contribute to the country you choose(which is how it should be). The doors wonít be closed just because we have left. Again with the racist thing - I know of so many different people who voted out including doctors and teachers and to say they are either thick and/or racist is laughable. I like to think that a high percentage of both sides voted for there own reasons, rightly or wrongly, and only time will tell wether we rise or fall. We will see.
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Immigration has cost police\security (the Government, us), Billions. (Anti terrorism) .
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Yes

And I know your going to say in the European Union we canít but Iím sure we can

And that should be a nudge towards Brexit if need be, not just pure ignorance, racists

I still cannot belive as a nation we were looking at Brexit without a clue what was going to come out of the other end other than a few peopleís bull**** touting for votes

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   Old Thread  #118 27 Jan 2019 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What you are saying is you want controlled immigration and that's the aim..
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Thatís a great post

For me Farage, the lager swinging toff wants beating with a rubber hose for instigating it and causing all this uproar for the sake of winning votes. Like you say, he got all the mindless idiots on board who think itís all down to immigrants.

Whilst I can say Iím not to keen of the situation myself, like you said, they do the jobs that the lazy British people will not. If they come here and contribute Iím happy with that, but...

Things like the NHS seriously concern me, it is been milked to death and if that goes pop, get ready for some proper charges and deductions from your salary.

I pay a lot in tax and if thatís going to the right people I donít have a problem with that at all. The thought of it supporting sponging ****s makes my **** itch. And I do feel truly sorry for anybody who really wants a job and cannot find one

Same as immigration, a points scoring system, this need to be the same for the NHS, the level of healthcare based on contribution for anybody not born in this country, 3year, 5 year and 10 year.

And donít get me going about crime. Any immigrant who commits a crime should be packed off in a plane and dropped over the country they came from, without a parachute. Raping this country

Itís our own policyís we need to sort out to protect what we have got, thereís a reason they all want to come here. Make it pointless for them unless they are working and it will stop all the problems, stop them milking it, they will go and **** somewhere else up then

Contribute or out is my feelings, thatís the lazy British ****s too
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The difference this time is that people have voted to be like your dad, not had that hardship forced upon them.

Face it, youíve been sold a lie, youíve stood shoulder to shoulder with racists and the thickest people the country has to offer as though thick racists were the pathfinders to the sunlit uplands. If youíre not thick and youíre not racist then why have you got into bed with them?

What exactly are the benefits for me? What do I get in return for my family losing the right to live, work and study in 27 countries?

This country has an aging population and low birth rate. We need immigration to help harvest the crops, care for the elderly and do the things that need doing but British people seem to find impossible to take on.
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Hmmm. Yes your post is offensive to the leave voter. I have heard leave voters being called many things and to be honest some are true as I have heard some horrible things come from leave voters mouths. However, you my friend are no different, you just voted remain, thatís the difference. What you have to understand is that some people donít care about money, as when you talk about people not knowing about the disaster they are heading for with voting for brexit you are talking about money. Iím willing to bet that hardly no one thought about money when they voted leave as this was very low on their list of priorities. There is more to life than money you know.
I voted to leave. To be honest right now, if the freedom of movement was stopped then I may be persuaded to change my mind (although I would prefer to be 100% in charge of my own country as well to be fair) I say this because I canít see how itís helping the EU? What I mean is, if we allow (a few other countries too) a lot of young working individuals from a country to work in ours then how is the country they have left going to be able to grow a strong economy? The country they go to then have to house them and look after them putting a huge strain on all services involved, how is that any good for either country? Think about it, who on earth thought that that would be a good idea? If you donít agree then you are blind as itís failing as we talk! Our services are broke, we donít have enough houses and the countryís that these people are coming from are still **** holes. Honestly, itís the dumbest thing ever thought of.
I think I have also said this before. About 18 years ago my dad got made redundant from a well paid job. The EU gave his company a few very good incentives to move abroad. This was part of their scheme to help prop up other economies. My dad had 4 children, mortgage, bills, car, food etc to pay for. As he was 52 years old he couldnít get in a job where he could get anywhere near the same money. He ended up going to River Island warehouse where he earns £13 grand a year. This was about a quarter of what he was on. We suffered. My dad ended up getting an evening job and then working on a Saturday done in London doing industrial carpet cleaning. We hardly saw him.
I told you that last bit as it is about your favourite thing which is money. I told you that because even though my dad ended up with less he just rolled his sleeves up and cracked on. Maybe, just maybe this is what we are all going to have to do. Dont worry about what you may not have, appreciate what you have got.
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It wasn't the EU, our government didn't want to stop it

We have a 'kinda' points based system (the five-tiers system) for non-EU immigration. Again, enforcement is poor as our government (current and former) don't want to stop cheap labour coming in.

As with most anti-EU rhetoric, the truth is far more complicated. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to pop on my sandals, get in the Volvo and grab the last copy of the Guardian and some vegan falafel from the Co-op.
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You're the stupid one , pillock
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Ultimately, a points based system like the uk or oz is whatís needed. Our government could have implemented it but under eu rules and regs weíve not been allowed, this is only assumed and only a guess on my part because I cannot see any other logical reason than the club stopping such measures.
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I am all for immigration people who have something to bring to the uk and work and respect the uk culture but sadly it has failed we now live in a society where. for many many years people have been keeping within there own communities and getting treated by there own rules it's has been happening for years young girls getting forced into marriage female mutilation etc it's been going on for years the social services would step in if was happening and the family taken to court if they were British, immigration can work but bringing in on mass a culture that is backwards and hell bent on forcing people to accept it is crazy just look at Sweden rape capital of Europe and Germany has already seen the effects of this type of immigration where they are now being told how to dress in some parts as not to offend the people that have immigrated there trust me mass immigration from Africa and middle eastern countries to the uk won't work it's a fact this has been one of the big factors in leave voters wanting out its not doctors and nurses that's coming it's the working class that will be affected and before anyone starts pointing the finger I have friends that are not from the uk and they have come here and done well this is where I get my information from regarding there communities and what's going on within them
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Really so mainly all EU migration is young fit men, and you base that on what figures, not female nurses, cleaners and working in hospitality that the Remain campaign would have you believe!

I can also make sweeping statements that most of the money they earn actually is sent home and not spent in this country, basic living costs spent in this country but investment in more substantial things tele's, cars, vans etc probably not! So are they are really putting into our economy?, I don't think so!

80% of MP's got voted in, during the last election, on their commitment to make Brexit happen and so this should have been sorted months ago. Every career MP, of the 80%, who has since day 1 after the election declared as a remainer should be charged with election fraud and their wages be paid back as gained under false representation. IMHO!

Both sides have told lies openly and by the use of manipulated statistics, now we have MP's calling for a free vote in Parliament on the options left, so 80% should vote for the deal or no deal, not 2nd votes or remain. IMHO

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To say anyone elseís view is stupid/mental or however you phrase it is just insulting.
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If you say so........
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   Old Thread  #107 25 Jan 2019 at 10.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
EU immigration mainly comprised young men who had finished their education in their home country (no schooling cost to he UK), and were ready to work (taxes paid to UK Govt) for decades before they need the healthcare system (unlike British pensioners moving to Spain and /or Portugal). Yet the British population has been persuaded that those bloody foreigners are dragging the country down.

Voting leave 2 years ago was a reasonable view. Given what's happened since, those still convinced Leave is a good idea are either fully under the spell of Jacob and his mates, or properly stupid.

Given the contributions to this thread, no-deal advocates are scared of 'the Jews' and their plot to 'send brown people to kill Europeans'. Or they are just mental.

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Welcome to my world. Being English on a building site these days means you are in a minority, and it's just not safe (contrary to what some on here have said before even know they aren't within the industry)
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   Old Thread  #105 25 Jan 2019 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had a big job start a few weeks ago straight after Christmas, we sat in the induction for an hour and a half watching the slide show presentation, afterwards we had to hand in our site cards for copying, do you know out of over twenty blokes in that room there was four of us who could speak full English, at least five had mates translating for them. I was absolutely shocked! Weíd just been told where the fire assembly points are and all manner of things to do and how to warn others yet it was absolutely wasted on 75% in the room. They got to tick their boxes and their labour cheap so it doesnít matter to the big firms.

Iím not at all racist, have a lot of black friends and my best mate is mixed race, work for a lot of people from nationalities and genuinely, hand on heart do not have a problem with them or anyone who isnít trying to hurt or change our way of life. Parts of London is absolutely lost though, I do not feel comfortable in so many areas nowadays due to being the odd one out.

Despite what is said, the vote was won on immigration mainly.
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   Old Thread  #104 25 Jan 2019 at 5.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Immigration has destroyed us.
If we had got hold of this problem years ago, not many would have voted to leave the EU.
Lets face it many of the people who voted to leave, was on the basis of too much immigration.
BTW, I'm not racist. I just feel things got out of hand along time ago, and nothing was done about it.
Thing is we were in the EU, so our hands were tied on this one.
Probably should never have signed up to it in the first place.
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   Old Thread  #103 24 Jan 2019 at 8.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Let's just get on with it and get out it's not going to affect me, I've got two new German vehicles so I wont be needing to replace them for a few years the dust will have settled by then, I wouldn't entertain buying imported French Cheese and Wine not whilst we have English mature cheddar and cider on the shelves I will still however indulge whilst out there keep something going into their economy do my bit, I wont buy their steel either not as long as the Chinese are banging it out, I dont need Spanish onions or their fruit the last time I looked my fruit trees and raised planters were still producing the goods, Greece dont have anything to offer other than overly hairy men and women, Denmark Finland and Sweden can keep their cold weather the Bulgarian and Romanian skilled labour force of Pickpockets will have to leave as we will all be skint and have nothing to rob or extort, my wife's got Italian blood coursing through her veins so i can get a little taste of that most weeks.

How can this country honestly get any worse, what is there to actually fear, high unemployment? we've had that, shrinking economy that as well, powercuts bring them on save on electricity had them in the 70's, recession yep done two of them, high price of living always has been, what I do feel we need to concentrate on is bringing down the growing population of the homelessness and helping those in poverty get out of it, in or out the country still won't deal with these issues, I feel sorry for the youth of today in or out the majority have a very dull future, it's the old adage sometimes you have to go backwards to start going forward again.
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   Old Thread  #102 23 Jan 2019 at 6.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I canít see it happening, just pleased Iíve got a mortgage sorted and holding until March to see what happens with house prices. Only real benefit I can see at the moment as a first time buyer trying to buy a house in Surrey
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   Old Thread  #101 23 Jan 2019 at 12.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just out of curiosity, regardless of how you voted who actually thinks itís going to happen ? As it looks like the MPís who where elected on Brexit manifestoís and promised to abide by the referendum result are now trying to block it.
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Wonder if James Dyson has genuinely moved to be in the tech area of japan for ligitimate reasons or whether it is brexit and tax dodging.
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Spot on, the Idiots in Westminster are a law unto themselves and are on voting and posturing on what will do their party and their pockets the good!
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We, the UK, are one of a few that actually pay towards Eurovision to guarantee our song makes it to the big night and so we don't have to go through the qualifying rounds. I'm sure if there was a referendum on Leaving Eurovision (Brexitvision) the result will show Remain Nil points but remainers will say people didn't know what they were voting on
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   Old Thread  #97 22 Jan 2019 at 5.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The lunatics have taken over the asylum...I am just happy that me and the missus have had fifty five wonderful years together...yes we are baby boomers and proud of it...and we are closer to the end of days than to the beginning. Let the idiots do their worst.

Goodbye and thanks for all the fish!
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   Old Thread  #95 21 Jan 2019 at 10.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hopefully when we leave they wont let us play in the eurovision song contest
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   Old Thread  #94 21 Jan 2019 at 9.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think the MPs understand, it's just that everything they said would be possible pre-ref has turned out to be nigh on impossible in reality. Boris and his comprehensive free trade deal plus freedom to do other deals - no. David Davis 'only considerable advantages, no downside', he hasn't said that for a while. Farage's 'the German car industry will make the EU give us a great deal' .. he's stopped saying that too. Liam Fox said all existing trade deals will be re-written and ready to be signed the second after Brexit .. nope.
I understand the vote to leave - people were promised clear and immediate advantages from leaving. I don't understand how so many people are quite happy with no deal, when it's going to hurt most of the country in one way or another. I know the pitiful remain campaign said all sorts would happen which proved untrue, but being angry because something bad didn't happen is a lot more difficult that being disappointed when promises prove to be empty. Yet this is not the case for lots of leave voters. I don't know why.
I fully expect a no-deal Brexit now, but I really don't know how that's going to make anyone happier, with the possible exception of those rich enough to directly profit from the situation.
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It's the MP's that are having trouble understanding.
Certain individuals will be worse off and it's understandable they get vocal, many believe we will benefit in the long run hence the referendum vote but overall I think the majority of people accept even though not all like the decision.

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   Old Thread  #92 20 Jan 2019 at 10.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The people of the uk voted to leave what part of that do people not understand the uk will be fine and come back strong that's for sure.
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   Old Thread  #91 20 Jan 2019 at 12.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jon,
In view of your nonsense post, I have no alternative but to recommend to the mods that you be handcuffed to Danny Fairbrass for a day.
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... but you will have to read any reply I post before you can decide whether it merits being ignored or not. Reading it is not ignoring it. That's like saying 'give me a ring, but if I don't like what you say I won't answer the phone'.

Living in fear of stuff you read about on the internet can't be much fun. I really think you'll probably escape the white genocide.

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   Old Thread  #89 20 Jan 2019 at 11.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You canít educate pork 🤔
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   Old Thread  #88 20 Jan 2019 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jon,
You really need to understand that a tirade of hyperbole and insults just destroys any credibility your argument may have and sensible, rational people will just ignore what you say.
Re the kalergi plan, if it is just conspiracy theory, then can you explain why the EU celebrate it by presenting a prize, annually, in a gala celebration to the person who has done most to promote it?
For your information here is a list of some of the more recent recipients:- Blair, Merkel, Junker, Tusk, Macron, Van Rompuy and Schulz. In view of this, it now makes sense why Merkel invited in a million, undocumented economic migrants. It also makes sense why Soros funded NGO's offer a ferry service across the Mediterranean.
Tell me Jon, do you support open borders?
Re your question, I won't dignify it by bothering to answer.
If you choose to answer my post, then be sensible and rational or I will have to ignore it.
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Economists for free trade? Rees-Mogg's pet band of merry men trying to convince folk no deal will be great? I'm sure it will be - for the likes of him. But if the balance of your current account runs to fewer than 8 digits, it probably won't be.

Convincing evidence to support my view? Yeah, you're right, there aren't any experts who think no deal will be a disaster are there? Those few thousand that do, and just about every present and past world leader bar Putin and Trump, they're being paid by George Soros, aren't they?

My opinion of the 'Kalergi plan'?

I think it's just another load of conspiracy cobblers designed to get the feeble-minded frantic with panic and feeling like victims when, in reality, they're too daft to realise that for most folk living in the UK in the 21st century life isn't too bad. Those who really are suffering better brace themselves for no-deal. But if you prefer to quiver under your duvet, fretting about being the very next victim of the white genocide masterminded by the jews sweeping across the UK ... you carry on mate. Maybe one of those rubber sheets might protect the mattress a bit?

Just one question ...
Which poster on your bedroom wall do you kiss last before you try to go to sleep, Tommy, Katie or Jacob?

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Hi Jon,
I see, so if you make a spelling mistake, that automatically makes your argument null and void.
But, wait a minute, I see you don't know how to spell ********, so the same applies to you too, doesn't it?
Like a lot of remainers, you play the scaremonger card and just insult the opposition, without giving any convincing evidence to support your view.
Your statement that Minford is the only economist to support no deal is simply untrue.
For those with an open mind who are interested, I suggest you Google ' Economists for free trade ' where you will see those who support no deal and you can read their reports.
Just one question Jon.
What is your opinion of the Coudenhove Kalergi plan?
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Being as I started this thread I vote for global thermo nuclear war to remove all carbon units infesting the planet 🌏
Itís the only way to be sure .

And being as cockroaches seem to survive such a holocaust the politicians probably will as well 😔☹️
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Rather apt picture that....
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Don't think Corbyn is helping matters with his stance
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   Old Thread  #81 18 Jan 2019 at 11.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Patrick Minford? No 'd'. Do you really expect anyone to take your opinion seriously if you can't even spell the bloke's name correctly? Just about sums up the no-deal supporters. You're wrong. You can't be bothered to check the facts, and you probably don't care that you're wrong.

Minford is the only person who vaguely qualifies as an 'economist' that thinks no deal will be ok ... unless you're in agriculture or manufacturing, in which case, you'll be 'wound down like the Uk coal and steel industries'. The rest of the global community of economists are gritting their teeth and averting their gaze like the drinkers in a pub would when some bloke announces he's going to eat a shot glass.

Almost every other expert, from the UK or any other country, says he's talking bollcks and it will be detrimental to the UK.

This 'we are in the driving seat' crap may have fooled a fair proportion of the electorate 2 years ago ... but do you really still believe this cobblers now?

A 'no deal' brexit will have the worst effect upon those poor buggers who are worst placed to handle it, while the reasonably well-off who are obsessed with the war, despite never having to fight anything other than gay marriage and type 2 diabetes (Boyle, 2108) will cry foul at the 'EU Bullies' when agreements dissolve on March 29 and it slowly dawns on then that it's not going well.

Pathetic politicians have led the UK to this point. Pathetic opposition hasn't challenged them. Pathetic voters think all their ills are the fault of those pesky Europeans, rather than it being down to the posh blokes who are telling them who to hate.
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On the face of it - what you say appears correct.

My logic tells me though that if that was the best option, or even a potentially viable option, it would be on the table at least and not totally rebuked as it has been.
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I agree with what you say.
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Hi All,
Providing our government prepares properly and follows the advice of prof Patrick Mindford, I think that no deal is the best option. We save £39 billion and go to free trade. We don't put tariffs or non tariff barriers on our imports which means cheaper products for our consumers. If the EU put tariffs on our exports that puts the burden on their consumers. And if the EU cause problems at ports and customs, they shoot themselves in the foot because they export £80 billion more goods to us than us to them. Same if they ban our lorries because of licences. We can do the same to them. Same with aviation.
Forget the scaremongering, we are in the driving seat. We could slash corporation tax and suck in their investment. If we withdrew their access to the city for a couple of weeks we could collapse their economy.
What we need is a strong leader to face up to them.
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   Old Thread  #77 17 Jan 2019 at 8.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46906046

Lol. EU makes no deal brexit plan.

If parliament won't accept the deal and neither Tories or Labour will accept a no deal then how on earth are they going to move this forward?......

Attitudes to the deal need to radicially change or an extension to article 50 coming up methinks..
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Cancelling Brexit .... slim chance methinks..
Another referendum.... Last resort.... but this might happen.... Now that we have a better idea how bad Brexit is likely to be chances are a second vote would keep us in the EU...



But we don't know how bad Brexit is, this is just the negotiations not actual Brexit!

Its still all ifs, could and might be's!


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   Old Thread  #75 17 Jan 2019 at 8.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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John Major it was Heath and Wilson in the seventies

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Worse thing we ever done; sign up to this sh*te, back then. Was it John Major?
Dunno, don't care, but we truly have our Balls between two bricks.
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So.. The end isn't nigh for the government after all.

The EU's offered Brexit deal is dead....

Options are for the EU to make concessions quickly... unlikely but who knows.
Extend article 50 and try and make a better deal with the EU.... unlikely but who knows.

Leave without a deal isn't accepted by either Tories or Labour so that's not going to happen no matter who is in charge and it's not in the UK's best interest due to the expected outcome.....

Cancelling Brexit .... slim chance methinks..
Another referendum.... Last resort.... but this might happen.... Now that we have a better idea how bad Brexit is likely to be chances are a second vote would keep us in the EU...

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   Old Thread  #72 28 Dec 2018 at 4.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So no change then in the long run. First it goes up then drops to what it is now?
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If the cost to go to France to fish goes up then the numbers of visitors will drop... Then we'll see prices drop... hopefully.
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Oooooooooooooooooooooh, look at you.
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Jon do you live in Italy or am I getting you mixed up with someone else?
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Google it ffs.

If they compete as 'The EU' then brexiters voted for them to leave the team.

Otherwise, in which universe will the fall of sterling make 'overpriced french lakes' cheaper? They'll become more expensive for UK residents.

Anyone winning the lottery and fancying buying a nice lake on the continent ... or youngsters aiming to spend a couple of years working on carp lakes in France ... you can't. Because old people in areas with low immigration are afraid of muslims ... and think brexit will make it better ... you couldn't make it up!
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No English in the Mosconi Cup then I take it. Or the Ryder cup.
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Fingers crossed for that. Brexit and the following termoil may have benefits
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Well hopefully those overpriced French fisheries will come down to around the £200 mark for a weeks fishing, when we leave.
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I think the last smiley gave the last sentence to jollity that it deserved as the MP's will only enact and pursue stuff for their own agendas
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Obviously you've started on the Christmas spirit early.
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Sorry back again

Maybe to set things straight we should have a rerun of the Iraq war enquiry and not allow those mentioned to change or alter the findings to suit themselves, Tony Blair would then be found out for what he is.


Hopefully 2019 will be the making of this country as the MP's put party politics, self interests and career planning to one side to sort this chaos out!

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Hi spanker,
I think Blair's agenda might be something to do with him being awarded the Coudenhove Kalergi prize, given annually by the EU to the European who has done most to forward European integration.
More recent recipients are, Junker, Merkel, Tusk and Macron.
What puzzles me is that there is no political debate about the evil intent of the Coudenhove Kalergi plan.
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I can't get my head round Tony Blair being allowed to rear his ugly head again , what is the agenda there and his sidekick Alistair Campbell , should both be in prison for their roll in bulshi##ng us into the Iraq war !
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Politicians have long since lost sight of the very basic FACT that they are public servants in office to carry out the will of the people that put them there,paid by the tax payer to carry out their duties and when they fail to do so they should step down before they are fired. How on earth Theresa May had the nerve to put that wreath on the graves of the first world war heroes on the 11.11.18 know she had sold all they had fought for down the river to the very country those people had fought against is in my veiw unbelievable.
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I can agree with most of that
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make do ????? why not all pull together , as they do in France , they do not listen ,, governments should always fear its voters , and when they lie to us there should be consequences , we are all in the same boat , we all want the same things .

job security

decent wages

a police force not cut to the bone so it is ineffective

an NHS that has not been stripped bare

all these things are achievable if everyone paid their share and the loopholes were closed !
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You can make stats say anything you want them to.
Yes I don't think the gap between the richest and poorest is right but until that changes then we'll have to make do with what we've got which is post52

The people are revolting, perhaps that's why the voted Brexit

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while I'm at it , as you will not see it in the majority of our biased press ,

Tax bands under Corbyn
over £80 k = 45 %
over £123 K = 50 %

under Thatcher for the majority of her reign was 60 % yet numerous papers in 2017 ran headlines that Corbyn was to hammer the wealthy when in realty he was only going to raise taxes by 5%

our press and media do not represent the average guy on the street like you and me , they back the establishment , their paymasters , the status quo , all those who pull the strings , the ones with the £££££££££££ , the Barkley brothers , Murdoch , remember the Panama papers ! Corbyn is a once in a lifetime chance to end the corruption !and put power back in the hands of the public .
Question the smear campaign ,
Anti semitic , poppy to small , jacket wasn't trendy enough , supports terrorism , wears a Russian hat , stupid woman !
Anyone daft enough to believe this crap still ?
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just look at our national debt in relation to GDP , and it has gone up every year since the TORY party have been in , the last time we were actually were in profit or surplus was under Labour ! that's right , under a Labour government !

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Well , me and the majority of people I talk too think that in this country and many other western democracies we are reaching a pinnacle of corruption , in our media , press ,and politics ! lobby groups working for huge corporations have done their jobs well , resulting in little tax being paid by the richest few , the top richest 1000 people in the uk have trebled their wealth in the last ten years , from around £256 billion to around £700 billion , now this is all well and good if they pay their share of tax , which they don't along with the thousands of corporations that don't , just taxing these people , companies alone will bring a huge windfall to the economy . Surely everyone must have this feeling that whenever there is an enquiry , like Leverson , Iraq,Hillsborough ,Westminster paedophile rings , etc etc , we get shafted , our whole system is corrupted , Corbyn , will tackle it ,the unsmearable ,there is a good reason why they try to smear him , he will stop the tax avoidance ! he will try to tackle our corrupt establishment ,they are scared to death of him .
Does it not wind you all up , when our attorney General along with our pm lie and try to hide the truth as they did last week when they told us that they would not release the details requested as to wether we would be able to leave Europe knowing that we would not ,it should of been one of the biggest scandals this year , then for the press and media to make something bigger about what Corbyn muttered under his breath , which was clearly "stupid people "
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The UK is currently overspending on the budget to run the country. Look at this link.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/

You'll notice huge spike in borrowing before Labour lost the election in 2010. They accrued huge levels of debt. This debt needs to be payed off and you'll see the defecit reducing year on year, when this can be reversed and we pay off some of the UK debt the repayments the UK makes on this debt will reduce. The government had no choice but to do this after they won the election in 2010.


You may not like the people running the UK for any number of reasons but they have managed the finances very well and the current direction is good but this may be ruined by Brexit.

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So how will the debt be removed and at the same time anyone under £80K will be better off?
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delusional , just look it up , our national debt total has gone up 60 % under the Tory party , in just 10 years , under the labour party up to 2008 it mirrored most western European economies after the banking crash , brought about by our unregulated banking system , that will doubtlessly cause another future crash ,anyone earning less than £80 k per year will be better off under Corbyn , can anyone still think that the average working class man is or will be better off under the tories , honestly ! just keep believing the smear campaign ! do not think Blair represented Labour , he represented himself , a very corrupted man who should be in prison
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1,011billion at the end of Labour's last term, 1,804 billion now under conservative.
Sadly since I left school in 74 I can't remember any decent government but my early memories of politicians were of people that believed in what they were doing unlike today's who just seem to want a career in the limelight.
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Like Josh it's the first time but I agree
Just need Blackfield to tell us we are all wrong
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Absolutely spot on, look at the mess that parasite Blair left in his wake. Then after completely ruining the country, just like all his parties other leaders, he went on to accumulate millions of pounds, the smarmy barstool!
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First post Iíve ever agreed with you on. The Labour Party at the moment for the uk would ruin us, old JC has promised the world to the young and theyíve fallen for it!
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Just remeber who to thank for the continuing tolls.... Tony Blair's Labour party. Then remember who is to blame for the UK's record crippling level of debt ... The Labour party.

Maybe their not all as bad as each other?... every time the looney party get in they mess it up and it takes decades for the country to rebuild. We then think it's time for change, they get in and then they screw it up again.....





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don't vote?

WTF are you on about man? That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum and that takes some beating!


Notice the quote marks? The full quote is, "The very desire to become a politician should automatically bar them from ever becoming one...Don't vote. It only encourages them (people who aspire to be politicians).

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Great example. The Dartford bridge. Paid for, out of tax payers money. I was with a woman at the time, who lived in Chafford Hundred. Being local to the bridge, she got a flyer through, saying as soon as the bridge was paid for, the tolls would be abolished, and the bridge/tunnel would be free. Nice.

That did not happen. When the bridge was paid for, the stupid idiot government sold it to the French (probably involving massive back handers). Now that bridge makes a fortune daily, and fair enough it was not free... BUT SELL IT TO THE FRENCH!!!!! What the actual ****? We now have no control over the prices, like electric, gas, many things like that. They sold it all to our/their friends the Euros

Like you say, they have destroyed this country, I hope it's not to late for it to be sorted. It will be. But 'they' are to blame, all as bad as each other to.
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I would vote remain now if given the opportunity again just on the back of the threat of buying a 3 year visa for £6.70 I've spunked that on a pint in the port waiting to depart this joke of a country.

The one that really gets me are all the millennial's asking for a second referendum because they were not old enough in 2016 to be able to vote if that's the case can we do the same with the vote in the 70's that started disassembling what was once a great country I was only 3 or 4 at the time and nobody considered my future.

It's all a big farce like those that were predicting the millennium bug saying the computers and electronic devices were going to all stop working, woke up the next morning switched on my computer and was devastated it worked just like the day before.

It's nice soft ground at the moment with all the rain better start digging the fall out shelter and getting supplies in, that's the lot from me I've got to get on I've got David Icke coming round my gaff tonight I've got some swedes in the vegetable rack I'm going to sell them to him as Pineapples.

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Exactly. And we will be fine. We always are. We're not some third world nation, we are Great Britain. Anything else is scaremongering. We make, and spend a lot of money, but it's all being messed up. I hope this is the start, of things actually getting much better myself.

The Euro trading zone was great. Changed though didn't it. Changed the face of this country. A vote was put to the British people. They voted to leave, so as you said, leave we must.

It makes me want to vomit when I see people trying to squirm a different way. Do these people not under stand the word DEMOCRACY and what it means?

I am very undecided on this from the very start, so I did not vote. I could not make up my mind, and had changed it a few times. I'm almost glad I did not vote now, what would it have meant? They have tried their best to get out of it.
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It was put to the vote on the understanding it was a once in a lifetime decision and they'd be no second vote.
Don't know how long a lifetime is but it's certainly not now.
For better or worse we must leave.
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Brexit is lush. I get to wind Germans up on PokerStars when I do play. Before I only had the war. That becomes a bit tedious. Brexit, has been golden, it's added another string to my bow. They don't have good senses of humour generally the Germans. My good mates missus is German, she is so funny. She told me, Germany are still paying for the war. Other Euro nations. They may have to do some of the stuff that has been done, but we do not.

The will of the people must be done. It was put to a vote, the vote went a certain way. That way has to be implemented now, anything else will create chaos. We were a world leader in all things production and design, long before the Euro state, and will be afterwards to. They need us, they need London's/Uk's money. The world does. Doom and gloom will not sort all this out.

Everyone hated Thatcher, well I remember her when I was a kid, she would have sorted these Euro sausages out, in five minutes. She would probably have told the French, we owe them all nothing, best remember why they don't speak German. Regarding Gibraltar, she'd have probably told the Spanish, remember the Falklands, and give them a little wink. May, is a wet blanket. They all are.

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Well one last comment for sure this time.

Not a single person on this planet will know how its going to turn out as it has never been done before, all the this and that predictions from all sides are guesses into the unknown and could, might and possibly paraphrase all the predictions.

At least the MP's have time to relax and enjoy their Christmas break, its been a hard year for them

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don't vote?

WTF are you on about man? That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum and that takes some beating!
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Well. Why don't you tell everyone how it's going to turn out then with a deal Brexit or a non deal Brexit...?..

Nobody metioned extreme outcomes... I just reiterated warnings from The Bank Of England and business.


If your in work, have a mortgage, have a family, have debts, would like to buy a house, drive a car etc then you should be concerned by what happens with Brexit. We'll see next March what happens and I see the preparations for a no deal Brexit have been ramped up today.

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I wonít even bother posting on this anymore as itís the same old same old 😡 just leave one last comment for the remainders who still spout the same old reasonsthe public was mislead, expenses and the bus!

What about the £9,000,000 leaflet biased towards staying in and the threat of collapse, world war 3íand starvation 😡
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Calm down old chap, pretty sure Mr Crabtree went to Eaton

And he inspired more than most, maybe even you

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We now have an idea about how damaging Brexit could be which is totally different to the message that people were told.

Boris was driving about in a coach and singing about and how better off we'd be. It does now appear that the Brexiteers just lied their way through the campaign.

I'd say there are grounds for the referendum vote result to be anulled due to misinformation and finance breaches by the Brexiteers. ( google brexit vote camapign illegal and you'll get plenty of information ).

We'll see what happens come next March and what will be will be. The MP's will certainly have sweaty palms before voting for deal or no deal on the agreement being proposed now that they have an idea of how they will damage the country with their vote.


ps. When you get banged up for joining in a riot just remember your costing all of us money keeping you in that cell and prosecuting you.




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No there wonít as this nations too soft and will carry on taking the (0(k until the end of time.

Edit - I hope there is though as this 5h1t country needs a good kicking off along with all politicians getting a good slap.
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If we stay in, there will be riots across the country. It will be the tipping point.
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Camermoron and his old Etonian sidekick who got us into all this mess in the first place are now living it up on the proceeds of their memoirs. Should be a warning to all of us not to put our faith or trust in posh-sounding, upper class twits and/or old Etonians...They are only in it for one thing: THEMSELVES!

Be warned.

"Don't vote. It only encourages them."

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The MP's are supposedly the peoples representatives and got themselves elected on an out means out manifesto, both Conservatives and Labour, they then get elected and then discover they have a concience and maybe the public wasn't right and we should remain!

First rule of interviewing and negotiation is don't ask a question you don't know the answer to. The EU kicked Cameron in the arse and forced him into offering the referendum, the establishment thought project fear would scare the electorate into voting stay, they banked on this!

How many times was the UK told not to approach the representatives of the other EU states whilst negotiating but the EU were open and receptive to Corbyn, Sturgeon, Cable and others visiting to discuss the UK's views and possible links that could be formed!

The "deal" as it stands was not negotiated by MP's, Ministers or the PM, it was negotiated by faceless, nameless and career civil servants who at the end of there careers will get a gold plated pension and probably a knighthood.

But hey ho the deal is going no where, negotiations have faltered and this is of such importance Parliament breaks up for Xmas holidays next week and wont be back until January. if it was a private business going downhill all involved would work through to stabilise the issues. But not our elected representatives apparently
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Our MP's have not captulated. The EU have a single goal and that is to get the best out of Brexit and that means their looking to cane us as hard as possible for spoiling their little party. It does not matter how hard any UK politician tries to negotiate their onto a loser.

8% worse growth is a recession.....

The chances of all of the politicians joining together in unity to secure a better deal is just about nil. The majority will be looking for political gain at every opportunity and it would collapse. It didn't really matter what came out of negotiations, this outcome was to be expected. It didn't matter what May brought back she was never going to keep everyone happy. We should be glad that she decided to take this unwinnable task on.

Even if every single politician stood behind May and demanded a better deal the EU would tell them where to get off, this is the EU fighting for it's life....



Parliament did not vote for the UK to leave the EU, it was the voters, the politicians have tried to get a decent deal but the EU are playing to win. Is this not very obvious??

Now we have a deal that isn't as good as hoped people are throwing their toys out of the pram and blaming May..?... Nobody would have got a better deal. This is what was voted for so we all just have to accept it. Simple as.

The alternative ( a no deal Brexit ) is a likely outcome and it seems the general consensus that a no deal Brexit will damage the country the most. We all just have to sit back and accept it and what will come.

But just remember. The majority voted for this. If you want someone to blame for this mess then blame the Brexiteers.



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What happens next March is anyone's guess but it looks like it's more likely going to have a nagative impact at least in the short term at best, if we have a no deal it's expected to be a worse. If this happens then house price may take a hit, the bank of England guess it'll be to the tune of 30% for a no deal brexit so any buyers would be daft to buy now. COULD, MIGHT, MAYBE THIS IS THE WORSE POSSIBLE THING THAT COULD HAPPEN JUST LIKE WORLD WAR 3 STARTING AFTER THE LEAVE VOTE!


Is it the knobs in power that caused this problem? No it wasn't. IN ONE WORD - DEMOCRACY

Will the EU do us a good deal so we come out laughing? Don't be stupid, it's in their best interest to deal us the worst deal possible to deter others from leaving. THIS I AGREE WITH TO MANY POLITICIANS WITH THEIR SNOUTS IN THE GRAVY TRAIN TROUGH

Would having a different leader or different party leading the country make a difference? Nope it would not. Whoever is in charge will be dealing with the same EU negotiators. THIS I AGREE WITH TO MANY POLITICIANS WITH THEIR SNOUTS IN THE GRAVY TRAIN TROUGH

The people that voted for this should accept the blame for it.WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY WHO HAVE TRUSTED THERE ELECTED MP's TO NEGOTIATE NOT CAPITULATE

In the short term we can reasonably expect financial instability, value of the pound dropping leading to inflation in just about everything, businesses leaving the UK, drops in UK tax revenue which will lead to tax rises on top of inflation etc etc JUST LIKE THE MARKETS HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS I SUPPOSE THE SOUTH SEA BUBBLE, BLACK WEDNESDAY and THE BANKS COLLAPSING IS BREXITs FAULT

All of this of course is speculation as nobody really knows whats going to happen but I don't hear Brexiteers predicting financial growth, house price rises, tax drops, stability etc... In fact we hear almost nothing from Brexiteers except them slagging off anybodies predictions of what will happen. But they don't have any predictions of their own..... NO BUT THE BANK OF ENGLAND WITH THEIR WORSE CASE SCENARIO SAID NO DEAL WOULD BE 8% WORSE, BUT ITS STILL 8% WORSE 'GROWTH'!

I see that someone has now suggested a cross party agreement to secure a better negotiated BREXIT, this should have been done since Day 1 of negotiations without CORBYN, STURGEON, and all the others, going behind the negotiators backs to undermine the UK's negotiators.
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House prices are not going to drop by 30%.....

Supply and demand will see to that as we simply don't have enough houses and builders will sit on land rather than build and sell for much less.....
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I agree with your first sentence but after that I could dissect all the rest but I won't other than to say I don't think house price rises are a good thing.
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What happens next March is anyone's guess but it looks like it's more likely going to have a nagative impact at least in the short term at best, if we have a no deal it's expected to be a worse. If this happens then house price may take a hit, the bank of England guess it'll be to the tune of 30% for a no deal brexit so any buyers would be daft to buy now.


Is it the knobs in power that caused this problem? No it wasn't.

Will the EU do us a good deal so we come out laughing? Don't be stupid, it's in their best interest to deal us the worst deal possible to deter others from leaving.

Would having a different leader or different party leading the country make a difference? Nope it would not. Whoever is in charge will be dealing with the same EU negotiators.

The people that voted for this should accept the blame for it.

In the short term we can reasonably expect financial instability, value of the pound dropping leading to inflation in just about everything, businesses leaving the UK, drops in UK tax revenue which will lead to tax rises on top of inflation etc etc

All of this of course is speculation as nobody really knows whats going to happen but I don't hear Brexiteers predicting financial growth, house price rises, tax drops, stability etc... In fact we hear almost nothing from Brexiteers except them slagging off anybodies predictions of what will happen. But they don't have any predictions of their own.....




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Don't leave it too late if those knobs at Westminster **** it up they'll be an influx of immigrants and the prices will rocket
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   Old Thread  #21 13 Dec 2018 at 3.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís a first time buyers market at the moment, Iím ready to go, after a couple of fall throughs Iím sitting tight for the moment as the prices keep going down. Iím headed to lingfield but most of the Surrey prices keep dropping too
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   Old Thread  #20 13 Dec 2018 at 9.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ive got an old microcat , probably works, I'm in.
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   Old Thread  #19 30 Nov 2018 at 10.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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House prices are a lot more than 30% overpriced... I'm happy with huge house price drops by any amount as I'm payed up and have no debt.

Negative equity has zero impact for genuine house buyers that are in it for the long term unless your looking to accrue more debt straight away which will have to then wait, the only people that are affected are people looking for a quick turnaround, quick profit.....

Brexit does have unforeseen positives.
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   Old Thread  #18 29 Nov 2018 at 5.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No,but you could afford one in the southwest,and have enough money left over to eat,the locales'.....will hate you though til you pass on ...😁
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   Old Thread  #17 29 Nov 2018 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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On the plus side house prices to drop by 30% And i still won't be able to afford one in Surrey
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   Old Thread  #16 28 Nov 2018 at 9.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The tea was poor but the lads still drank it. Your ok.
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   Old Thread  #15 28 Nov 2018 at 5.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I will release my microcat to help the cause
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   Old Thread  #14 28 Nov 2018 at 4.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím in, but can you let me know when you plan to shut waitrose, only i love their asparagus 😉
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   Old Thread  #13 28 Nov 2018 at 3.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #12 28 Nov 2018 at 10.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep , 30mm air dried 😀
Could do with one of the air powered boilies canons I suppose lol
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   Old Thread  #11 28 Nov 2018 at 8.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donít forget ya catapult as I suppose a good few boilies be boarded on those boats.
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   Old Thread  #10 28 Nov 2018 at 8.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I worked on the Trident subs as an apprentice in the shipyard. Wouldn't put too much faith in them as my construction skills weren't the best...

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   Old Thread  #9 27 Nov 2018 at 11.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have a paddleboard and surfboard,plus a spare Trangia,together we could make a significant difference ,especially if Mrs May takes on board my advice about the tunnel...

Rule Britannica ,or is that the encyclopaedia .... ....
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   Old Thread  #8 27 Nov 2018 at 9.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I say we invade Europe ,
I've got two boat's , whose with me 😀
And when we are done with them , about four days should do it , I hope so , can't see my jam sandwiches lasting any longer than that ,
We can then deal with these flakey remainers , if we lock the doors on every waitrose in the country on a Saturday ,that will bugger them up 😀
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   Old Thread  #7 27 Nov 2018 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree...

I'm British,not European,once this is finally sorted,we can try and get our country back,run by and for British people.

Another thing,cut all aid to foreign regimes,British people first now....

Hopefully,in time those who have been forced to move away from the conurbations,because of fear of crime,could if they so wished move back,and relieve the pressure on rural areas,that's the real reason why people are moving to rural areas..not because of a nice sunset,or roses round the porch..




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   Old Thread  #6 27 Nov 2018 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
**** em, we should just pull out, and do our own thing like we did when we were ďGreatĒ Britain. Being patronised by some ****ing upstarts in Belgium, really?
If it werenít for us and the yanks many years ago, weíd all be German now, including all those snakey *******s that are turning the knife.
We saved their arses in the last world war, and weíre treated like **** now?

The sooner weíre away from all these flakey *******s the better
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   Old Thread  #5 27 Nov 2018 at 4.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Project Fear now in overdrive at a higher level...........

Deal, no deal or stay..........................since when was stay an option available since triggering Article 50 is a no return route.

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   Old Thread  #4 27 Nov 2018 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Following of all,things when in a rush Ďa tractor,. He was also shouting the end is nigh.....




































Think it was FarmerGeddon.
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   Old Thread  #3 27 Nov 2018 at 2.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Edit...resist...must resist
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   Old Thread  #2 26 Nov 2018 at 10.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's not the British thing to do now is it....

We can just argue till the cows come home and make ourselve look like idiots with the in-fighting. ...

It was always going to be like this when it was such a close outcome, whatever the plan 50% are going to be against it.
Is there a better deal to be had?? Probably not but that won't stop the die hard brexiteers.... it's like they want the worst case scenario and nothing else will do as the EU won't just roll over...



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   Old Thread  #1 26 Nov 2018 at 10.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If this leaving the EU goes pear shaped and we now end up under the rule of the EU would it not be prudent to have a military coup and marshal law ??🤔

Then prep Trident and then see if we have been sold duds 🤔
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