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   Old Thread  #99 22 Jan 2019 at 5.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on, the Idiots in Westminster are a law unto themselves and are on voting and posturing on what will do their party and their pockets the good!
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   Old Thread  #98 22 Jan 2019 at 5.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We, the UK, are one of a few that actually pay towards Eurovision to guarantee our song makes it to the big night and so we don't have to go through the qualifying rounds. I'm sure if there was a referendum on Leaving Eurovision (Brexitvision) the result will show Remain Nil points but remainers will say people didn't know what they were voting on
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   Old Thread  #97 22 Jan 2019 at 5.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The lunatics have taken over the asylum...I am just happy that me and the missus have had fifty five wonderful years together...yes we are baby boomers and proud of it...and we are closer to the end of days than to the beginning. Let the idiots do their worst.

Goodbye and thanks for all the fish!
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   Old Thread  #96 22 Jan 2019 at 3.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #95 21 Jan 2019 at 10.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hopefully when we leave they wont let us play in the eurovision song contest
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   Old Thread  #94 21 Jan 2019 at 9.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think the MPs understand, it's just that everything they said would be possible pre-ref has turned out to be nigh on impossible in reality. Boris and his comprehensive free trade deal plus freedom to do other deals - no. David Davis 'only considerable advantages, no downside', he hasn't said that for a while. Farage's 'the German car industry will make the EU give us a great deal' .. he's stopped saying that too. Liam Fox said all existing trade deals will be re-written and ready to be signed the second after Brexit .. nope.
I understand the vote to leave - people were promised clear and immediate advantages from leaving. I don't understand how so many people are quite happy with no deal, when it's going to hurt most of the country in one way or another. I know the pitiful remain campaign said all sorts would happen which proved untrue, but being angry because something bad didn't happen is a lot more difficult that being disappointed when promises prove to be empty. Yet this is not the case for lots of leave voters. I don't know why.
I fully expect a no-deal Brexit now, but I really don't know how that's going to make anyone happier, with the possible exception of those rich enough to directly profit from the situation.
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   Old Thread  #93 20 Jan 2019 at 10.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's the MP's that are having trouble understanding.
Certain individuals will be worse off and it's understandable they get vocal, many believe we will benefit in the long run hence the referendum vote but overall I think the majority of people accept even though not all like the decision.

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   Old Thread  #92 20 Jan 2019 at 10.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The people of the uk voted to leave what part of that do people not understand the uk will be fine and come back strong that's for sure.
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   Old Thread  #91 20 Jan 2019 at 12.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jon,
In view of your nonsense post, I have no alternative but to recommend to the mods that you be handcuffed to Danny Fairbrass for a day.
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   Old Thread  #90 20 Jan 2019 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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... but you will have to read any reply I post before you can decide whether it merits being ignored or not. Reading it is not ignoring it. That's like saying 'give me a ring, but if I don't like what you say I won't answer the phone'.

Living in fear of stuff you read about on the internet can't be much fun. I really think you'll probably escape the white genocide.

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   Old Thread  #89 20 Jan 2019 at 11.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You canít educate pork 🤔
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   Old Thread  #88 20 Jan 2019 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jon,
You really need to understand that a tirade of hyperbole and insults just destroys any credibility your argument may have and sensible, rational people will just ignore what you say.
Re the kalergi plan, if it is just conspiracy theory, then can you explain why the EU celebrate it by presenting a prize, annually, in a gala celebration to the person who has done most to promote it?
For your information here is a list of some of the more recent recipients:- Blair, Merkel, Junker, Tusk, Macron, Van Rompuy and Schulz. In view of this, it now makes sense why Merkel invited in a million, undocumented economic migrants. It also makes sense why Soros funded NGO's offer a ferry service across the Mediterranean.
Tell me Jon, do you support open borders?
Re your question, I won't dignify it by bothering to answer.
If you choose to answer my post, then be sensible and rational or I will have to ignore it.
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   Old Thread  #87 19 Jan 2019 at 11.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #86 19 Jan 2019 at 10.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Economists for free trade? Rees-Mogg's pet band of merry men trying to convince folk no deal will be great? I'm sure it will be - for the likes of him. But if the balance of your current account runs to fewer than 8 digits, it probably won't be.

Convincing evidence to support my view? Yeah, you're right, there aren't any experts who think no deal will be a disaster are there? Those few thousand that do, and just about every present and past world leader bar Putin and Trump, they're being paid by George Soros, aren't they?

My opinion of the 'Kalergi plan'?

I think it's just another load of conspiracy cobblers designed to get the feeble-minded frantic with panic and feeling like victims when, in reality, they're too daft to realise that for most folk living in the UK in the 21st century life isn't too bad. Those who really are suffering better brace themselves for no-deal. But if you prefer to quiver under your duvet, fretting about being the very next victim of the white genocide masterminded by the jews sweeping across the UK ... you carry on mate. Maybe one of those rubber sheets might protect the mattress a bit?

Just one question ...
Which poster on your bedroom wall do you kiss last before you try to go to sleep, Tommy, Katie or Jacob?

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   Old Thread  #85 19 Jan 2019 at 5.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jon,
I see, so if you make a spelling mistake, that automatically makes your argument null and void.
But, wait a minute, I see you don't know how to spell ********, so the same applies to you too, doesn't it?
Like a lot of remainers, you play the scaremonger card and just insult the opposition, without giving any convincing evidence to support your view.
Your statement that Minford is the only economist to support no deal is simply untrue.
For those with an open mind who are interested, I suggest you Google ' Economists for free trade ' where you will see those who support no deal and you can read their reports.
Just one question Jon.
What is your opinion of the Coudenhove Kalergi plan?
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   Old Thread  #84 19 Jan 2019 at 5.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Being as I started this thread I vote for global thermo nuclear war to remove all carbon units infesting the planet 🌏
Itís the only way to be sure .

And being as cockroaches seem to survive such a holocaust the politicians probably will as well 😔☹️
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   Old Thread  #83 19 Jan 2019 at 12.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Rather apt picture that....
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   Old Thread  #82 19 Jan 2019 at 11.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Don't think Corbyn is helping matters with his stance
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   Old Thread  #81 18 Jan 2019 at 11.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Patrick Minford? No 'd'. Do you really expect anyone to take your opinion seriously if you can't even spell the bloke's name correctly? Just about sums up the no-deal supporters. You're wrong. You can't be bothered to check the facts, and you probably don't care that you're wrong.

Minford is the only person who vaguely qualifies as an 'economist' that thinks no deal will be ok ... unless you're in agriculture or manufacturing, in which case, you'll be 'wound down like the Uk coal and steel industries'. The rest of the global community of economists are gritting their teeth and averting their gaze like the drinkers in a pub would when some bloke announces he's going to eat a shot glass.

Almost every other expert, from the UK or any other country, says he's talking bollcks and it will be detrimental to the UK.

This 'we are in the driving seat' crap may have fooled a fair proportion of the electorate 2 years ago ... but do you really still believe this cobblers now?

A 'no deal' brexit will have the worst effect upon those poor buggers who are worst placed to handle it, while the reasonably well-off who are obsessed with the war, despite never having to fight anything other than gay marriage and type 2 diabetes (Boyle, 2108) will cry foul at the 'EU Bullies' when agreements dissolve on March 29 and it slowly dawns on then that it's not going well.

Pathetic politicians have led the UK to this point. Pathetic opposition hasn't challenged them. Pathetic voters think all their ills are the fault of those pesky Europeans, rather than it being down to the posh blokes who are telling them who to hate.
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   Old Thread  #80 18 Jan 2019 at 3.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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On the face of it - what you say appears correct.

My logic tells me though that if that was the best option, or even a potentially viable option, it would be on the table at least and not totally rebuked as it has been.
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   Old Thread  #79 17 Jan 2019 at 10.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree with what you say.
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   Old Thread  #78 17 Jan 2019 at 8.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi All,
Providing our government prepares properly and follows the advice of prof Patrick Mindford, I think that no deal is the best option. We save £39 billion and go to free trade. We don't put tariffs or non tariff barriers on our imports which means cheaper products for our consumers. If the EU put tariffs on our exports that puts the burden on their consumers. And if the EU cause problems at ports and customs, they shoot themselves in the foot because they export £80 billion more goods to us than us to them. Same if they ban our lorries because of licences. We can do the same to them. Same with aviation.
Forget the scaremongering, we are in the driving seat. We could slash corporation tax and suck in their investment. If we withdrew their access to the city for a couple of weeks we could collapse their economy.
What we need is a strong leader to face up to them.
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   Old Thread  #77 17 Jan 2019 at 8.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46906046

Lol. EU makes no deal brexit plan.

If parliament won't accept the deal and neither Tories or Labour will accept a no deal then how on earth are they going to move this forward?......

Attitudes to the deal need to radicially change or an extension to article 50 coming up methinks..
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   Old Thread  #76 17 Jan 2019 at 8.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cancelling Brexit .... slim chance methinks..
Another referendum.... Last resort.... but this might happen.... Now that we have a better idea how bad Brexit is likely to be chances are a second vote would keep us in the EU...



But we don't know how bad Brexit is, this is just the negotiations not actual Brexit!

Its still all ifs, could and might be's!


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   Old Thread  #75 17 Jan 2019 at 8.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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John Major it was Heath and Wilson in the seventies

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   Old Thread  #74 16 Jan 2019 at 11.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Worse thing we ever done; sign up to this sh*te, back then. Was it John Major?
Dunno, don't care, but we truly have our Balls between two bricks.
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   Old Thread  #73 16 Jan 2019 at 7.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So.. The end isn't nigh for the government after all.

The EU's offered Brexit deal is dead....

Options are for the EU to make concessions quickly... unlikely but who knows.
Extend article 50 and try and make a better deal with the EU.... unlikely but who knows.

Leave without a deal isn't accepted by either Tories or Labour so that's not going to happen no matter who is in charge and it's not in the UK's best interest due to the expected outcome.....

Cancelling Brexit .... slim chance methinks..
Another referendum.... Last resort.... but this might happen.... Now that we have a better idea how bad Brexit is likely to be chances are a second vote would keep us in the EU...

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   Old Thread  #72 28 Dec 2018 at 4.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So no change then in the long run. First it goes up then drops to what it is now?
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   Old Thread  #71 28 Dec 2018 at 4.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If the cost to go to France to fish goes up then the numbers of visitors will drop... Then we'll see prices drop... hopefully.
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   Old Thread  #70 26 Dec 2018 at 7.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oooooooooooooooooooooh, look at you.
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   Old Thread  #69 26 Dec 2018 at 7.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Jon do you live in Italy or am I getting you mixed up with someone else?
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   Old Thread  #68 26 Dec 2018 at 7.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Google it ffs.

If they compete as 'The EU' then brexiters voted for them to leave the team.

Otherwise, in which universe will the fall of sterling make 'overpriced french lakes' cheaper? They'll become more expensive for UK residents.

Anyone winning the lottery and fancying buying a nice lake on the continent ... or youngsters aiming to spend a couple of years working on carp lakes in France ... you can't. Because old people in areas with low immigration are afraid of muslims ... and think brexit will make it better ... you couldn't make it up!
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   Old Thread  #67 23 Dec 2018 at 4.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No English in the Mosconi Cup then I take it. Or the Ryder cup.
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Fingers crossed for that. Brexit and the following termoil may have benefits
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   Old Thread  #65 23 Dec 2018 at 2.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Well hopefully those overpriced French fisheries will come down to around the £200 mark for a weeks fishing, when we leave.
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I think the last smiley gave the last sentence to jollity that it deserved as the MP's will only enact and pursue stuff for their own agendas
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Obviously you've started on the Christmas spirit early.
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Sorry back again

Maybe to set things straight we should have a rerun of the Iraq war enquiry and not allow those mentioned to change or alter the findings to suit themselves, Tony Blair would then be found out for what he is.


Hopefully 2019 will be the making of this country as the MP's put party politics, self interests and career planning to one side to sort this chaos out!

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Hi spanker,
I think Blair's agenda might be something to do with him being awarded the Coudenhove Kalergi prize, given annually by the EU to the European who has done most to forward European integration.
More recent recipients are, Junker, Merkel, Tusk and Macron.
What puzzles me is that there is no political debate about the evil intent of the Coudenhove Kalergi plan.
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I can't get my head round Tony Blair being allowed to rear his ugly head again , what is the agenda there and his sidekick Alistair Campbell , should both be in prison for their roll in bulshi##ng us into the Iraq war !
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Politicians have long since lost sight of the very basic FACT that they are public servants in office to carry out the will of the people that put them there,paid by the tax payer to carry out their duties and when they fail to do so they should step down before they are fired. How on earth Theresa May had the nerve to put that wreath on the graves of the first world war heroes on the 11.11.18 know she had sold all they had fought for down the river to the very country those people had fought against is in my veiw unbelievable.
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I can agree with most of that
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make do ????? why not all pull together , as they do in France , they do not listen ,, governments should always fear its voters , and when they lie to us there should be consequences , we are all in the same boat , we all want the same things .

job security

decent wages

a police force not cut to the bone so it is ineffective

an NHS that has not been stripped bare

all these things are achievable if everyone paid their share and the loopholes were closed !
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You can make stats say anything you want them to.
Yes I don't think the gap between the richest and poorest is right but until that changes then we'll have to make do with what we've got which is post52

The people are revolting, perhaps that's why the voted Brexit

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while I'm at it , as you will not see it in the majority of our biased press ,

Tax bands under Corbyn
over £80 k = 45 %
over £123 K = 50 %

under Thatcher for the majority of her reign was 60 % yet numerous papers in 2017 ran headlines that Corbyn was to hammer the wealthy when in realty he was only going to raise taxes by 5%

our press and media do not represent the average guy on the street like you and me , they back the establishment , their paymasters , the status quo , all those who pull the strings , the ones with the £££££££££££ , the Barkley brothers , Murdoch , remember the Panama papers ! Corbyn is a once in a lifetime chance to end the corruption !and put power back in the hands of the public .
Question the smear campaign ,
Anti semitic , poppy to small , jacket wasn't trendy enough , supports terrorism , wears a Russian hat , stupid woman !
Anyone daft enough to believe this crap still ?
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just look at our national debt in relation to GDP , and it has gone up every year since the TORY party have been in , the last time we were actually were in profit or surplus was under Labour ! that's right , under a Labour government !

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Well , me and the majority of people I talk too think that in this country and many other western democracies we are reaching a pinnacle of corruption , in our media , press ,and politics ! lobby groups working for huge corporations have done their jobs well , resulting in little tax being paid by the richest few , the top richest 1000 people in the uk have trebled their wealth in the last ten years , from around £256 billion to around £700 billion , now this is all well and good if they pay their share of tax , which they don't along with the thousands of corporations that don't , just taxing these people , companies alone will bring a huge windfall to the economy . Surely everyone must have this feeling that whenever there is an enquiry , like Leverson , Iraq,Hillsborough ,Westminster paedophile rings , etc etc , we get shafted , our whole system is corrupted , Corbyn , will tackle it ,the unsmearable ,there is a good reason why they try to smear him , he will stop the tax avoidance ! he will try to tackle our corrupt establishment ,they are scared to death of him .
Does it not wind you all up , when our attorney General along with our pm lie and try to hide the truth as they did last week when they told us that they would not release the details requested as to wether we would be able to leave Europe knowing that we would not ,it should of been one of the biggest scandals this year , then for the press and media to make something bigger about what Corbyn muttered under his breath , which was clearly "stupid people "
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   Old Thread  #52 22 Dec 2018 at 10.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The UK is currently overspending on the budget to run the country. Look at this link.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/

You'll notice huge spike in borrowing before Labour lost the election in 2010. They accrued huge levels of debt. This debt needs to be payed off and you'll see the defecit reducing year on year, when this can be reversed and we pay off some of the UK debt the repayments the UK makes on this debt will reduce. The government had no choice but to do this after they won the election in 2010.


You may not like the people running the UK for any number of reasons but they have managed the finances very well and the current direction is good but this may be ruined by Brexit.

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   Old Thread  #51 22 Dec 2018 at 0.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So how will the debt be removed and at the same time anyone under £80K will be better off?
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   Old Thread  #50 22 Dec 2018 at 0.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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delusional , just look it up , our national debt total has gone up 60 % under the Tory party , in just 10 years , under the labour party up to 2008 it mirrored most western European economies after the banking crash , brought about by our unregulated banking system , that will doubtlessly cause another future crash ,anyone earning less than £80 k per year will be better off under Corbyn , can anyone still think that the average working class man is or will be better off under the tories , honestly ! just keep believing the smear campaign ! do not think Blair represented Labour , he represented himself , a very corrupted man who should be in prison
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   Old Thread  #49 21 Dec 2018 at 11.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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1,011billion at the end of Labour's last term, 1,804 billion now under conservative.
Sadly since I left school in 74 I can't remember any decent government but my early memories of politicians were of people that believed in what they were doing unlike today's who just seem to want a career in the limelight.
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   Old Thread  #48 21 Dec 2018 at 10.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like Josh it's the first time but I agree
Just need Blackfield to tell us we are all wrong
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   Old Thread  #47 21 Dec 2018 at 9.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Absolutely spot on, look at the mess that parasite Blair left in his wake. Then after completely ruining the country, just like all his parties other leaders, he went on to accumulate millions of pounds, the smarmy barstool!
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   Old Thread  #46 21 Dec 2018 at 9.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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First post Iíve ever agreed with you on. The Labour Party at the moment for the uk would ruin us, old JC has promised the world to the young and theyíve fallen for it!
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   Old Thread  #45 21 Dec 2018 at 9.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just remeber who to thank for the continuing tolls.... Tony Blair's Labour party. Then remember who is to blame for the UK's record crippling level of debt ... The Labour party.

Maybe their not all as bad as each other?... every time the looney party get in they mess it up and it takes decades for the country to rebuild. We then think it's time for change, they get in and then they screw it up again.....





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   Old Thread  #44 20 Dec 2018 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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don't vote?

WTF are you on about man? That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum and that takes some beating!


Notice the quote marks? The full quote is, "The very desire to become a politician should automatically bar them from ever becoming one...Don't vote. It only encourages them (people who aspire to be politicians).

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Great example. The Dartford bridge. Paid for, out of tax payers money. I was with a woman at the time, who lived in Chafford Hundred. Being local to the bridge, she got a flyer through, saying as soon as the bridge was paid for, the tolls would be abolished, and the bridge/tunnel would be free. Nice.

That did not happen. When the bridge was paid for, the stupid idiot government sold it to the French (probably involving massive back handers). Now that bridge makes a fortune daily, and fair enough it was not free... BUT SELL IT TO THE FRENCH!!!!! What the actual ****? We now have no control over the prices, like electric, gas, many things like that. They sold it all to our/their friends the Euros

Like you say, they have destroyed this country, I hope it's not to late for it to be sorted. It will be. But 'they' are to blame, all as bad as each other to.
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   Old Thread  #42 19 Dec 2018 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I would vote remain now if given the opportunity again just on the back of the threat of buying a 3 year visa for £6.70 I've spunked that on a pint in the port waiting to depart this joke of a country.

The one that really gets me are all the millennial's asking for a second referendum because they were not old enough in 2016 to be able to vote if that's the case can we do the same with the vote in the 70's that started disassembling what was once a great country I was only 3 or 4 at the time and nobody considered my future.

It's all a big farce like those that were predicting the millennium bug saying the computers and electronic devices were going to all stop working, woke up the next morning switched on my computer and was devastated it worked just like the day before.

It's nice soft ground at the moment with all the rain better start digging the fall out shelter and getting supplies in, that's the lot from me I've got to get on I've got David Icke coming round my gaff tonight I've got some swedes in the vegetable rack I'm going to sell them to him as Pineapples.

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   Old Thread  #41 19 Dec 2018 at 11.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly. And we will be fine. We always are. We're not some third world nation, we are Great Britain. Anything else is scaremongering. We make, and spend a lot of money, but it's all being messed up. I hope this is the start, of things actually getting much better myself.

The Euro trading zone was great. Changed though didn't it. Changed the face of this country. A vote was put to the British people. They voted to leave, so as you said, leave we must.

It makes me want to vomit when I see people trying to squirm a different way. Do these people not under stand the word DEMOCRACY and what it means?

I am very undecided on this from the very start, so I did not vote. I could not make up my mind, and had changed it a few times. I'm almost glad I did not vote now, what would it have meant? They have tried their best to get out of it.
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It was put to the vote on the understanding it was a once in a lifetime decision and they'd be no second vote.
Don't know how long a lifetime is but it's certainly not now.
For better or worse we must leave.
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Brexit is lush. I get to wind Germans up on PokerStars when I do play. Before I only had the war. That becomes a bit tedious. Brexit, has been golden, it's added another string to my bow. They don't have good senses of humour generally the Germans. My good mates missus is German, she is so funny. She told me, Germany are still paying for the war. Other Euro nations. They may have to do some of the stuff that has been done, but we do not.

The will of the people must be done. It was put to a vote, the vote went a certain way. That way has to be implemented now, anything else will create chaos. We were a world leader in all things production and design, long before the Euro state, and will be afterwards to. They need us, they need London's/Uk's money. The world does. Doom and gloom will not sort all this out.

Everyone hated Thatcher, well I remember her when I was a kid, she would have sorted these Euro sausages out, in five minutes. She would probably have told the French, we owe them all nothing, best remember why they don't speak German. Regarding Gibraltar, she'd have probably told the Spanish, remember the Falklands, and give them a little wink. May, is a wet blanket. They all are.

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   Old Thread  #38 19 Dec 2018 at 10.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well one last comment for sure this time.

Not a single person on this planet will know how its going to turn out as it has never been done before, all the this and that predictions from all sides are guesses into the unknown and could, might and possibly paraphrase all the predictions.

At least the MP's have time to relax and enjoy their Christmas break, its been a hard year for them

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   Old Thread  #37 19 Dec 2018 at 1.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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don't vote?

WTF are you on about man? That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum and that takes some beating!
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   Old Thread  #36 18 Dec 2018 at 8.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well. Why don't you tell everyone how it's going to turn out then with a deal Brexit or a non deal Brexit...?..

Nobody metioned extreme outcomes... I just reiterated warnings from The Bank Of England and business.


If your in work, have a mortgage, have a family, have debts, would like to buy a house, drive a car etc then you should be concerned by what happens with Brexit. We'll see next March what happens and I see the preparations for a no deal Brexit have been ramped up today.

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I wonít even bother posting on this anymore as itís the same old same old 😡 just leave one last comment for the remainders who still spout the same old reasonsthe public was mislead, expenses and the bus!

What about the £9,000,000 leaflet biased towards staying in and the threat of collapse, world war 3íand starvation 😡
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   Old Thread  #34 18 Dec 2018 at 4.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Calm down old chap, pretty sure Mr Crabtree went to Eaton

And he inspired more than most, maybe even you

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We now have an idea about how damaging Brexit could be which is totally different to the message that people were told.

Boris was driving about in a coach and singing about and how better off we'd be. It does now appear that the Brexiteers just lied their way through the campaign.

I'd say there are grounds for the referendum vote result to be anulled due to misinformation and finance breaches by the Brexiteers. ( google brexit vote camapign illegal and you'll get plenty of information ).

We'll see what happens come next March and what will be will be. The MP's will certainly have sweaty palms before voting for deal or no deal on the agreement being proposed now that they have an idea of how they will damage the country with their vote.


ps. When you get banged up for joining in a riot just remember your costing all of us money keeping you in that cell and prosecuting you.




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   Old Thread  #31 16 Dec 2018 at 5.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No there wonít as this nations too soft and will carry on taking the (0(k until the end of time.

Edit - I hope there is though as this 5h1t country needs a good kicking off along with all politicians getting a good slap.
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If we stay in, there will be riots across the country. It will be the tipping point.
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Camermoron and his old Etonian sidekick who got us into all this mess in the first place are now living it up on the proceeds of their memoirs. Should be a warning to all of us not to put our faith or trust in posh-sounding, upper class twits and/or old Etonians...They are only in it for one thing: THEMSELVES!

Be warned.

"Don't vote. It only encourages them."

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   Old Thread  #28 15 Dec 2018 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The MP's are supposedly the peoples representatives and got themselves elected on an out means out manifesto, both Conservatives and Labour, they then get elected and then discover they have a concience and maybe the public wasn't right and we should remain!

First rule of interviewing and negotiation is don't ask a question you don't know the answer to. The EU kicked Cameron in the arse and forced him into offering the referendum, the establishment thought project fear would scare the electorate into voting stay, they banked on this!

How many times was the UK told not to approach the representatives of the other EU states whilst negotiating but the EU were open and receptive to Corbyn, Sturgeon, Cable and others visiting to discuss the UK's views and possible links that could be formed!

The "deal" as it stands was not negotiated by MP's, Ministers or the PM, it was negotiated by faceless, nameless and career civil servants who at the end of there careers will get a gold plated pension and probably a knighthood.

But hey ho the deal is going no where, negotiations have faltered and this is of such importance Parliament breaks up for Xmas holidays next week and wont be back until January. if it was a private business going downhill all involved would work through to stabilise the issues. But not our elected representatives apparently
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Our MP's have not captulated. The EU have a single goal and that is to get the best out of Brexit and that means their looking to cane us as hard as possible for spoiling their little party. It does not matter how hard any UK politician tries to negotiate their onto a loser.

8% worse growth is a recession.....

The chances of all of the politicians joining together in unity to secure a better deal is just about nil. The majority will be looking for political gain at every opportunity and it would collapse. It didn't really matter what came out of negotiations, this outcome was to be expected. It didn't matter what May brought back she was never going to keep everyone happy. We should be glad that she decided to take this unwinnable task on.

Even if every single politician stood behind May and demanded a better deal the EU would tell them where to get off, this is the EU fighting for it's life....



Parliament did not vote for the UK to leave the EU, it was the voters, the politicians have tried to get a decent deal but the EU are playing to win. Is this not very obvious??

Now we have a deal that isn't as good as hoped people are throwing their toys out of the pram and blaming May..?... Nobody would have got a better deal. This is what was voted for so we all just have to accept it. Simple as.

The alternative ( a no deal Brexit ) is a likely outcome and it seems the general consensus that a no deal Brexit will damage the country the most. We all just have to sit back and accept it and what will come.

But just remember. The majority voted for this. If you want someone to blame for this mess then blame the Brexiteers.



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What happens next March is anyone's guess but it looks like it's more likely going to have a nagative impact at least in the short term at best, if we have a no deal it's expected to be a worse. If this happens then house price may take a hit, the bank of England guess it'll be to the tune of 30% for a no deal brexit so any buyers would be daft to buy now. COULD, MIGHT, MAYBE THIS IS THE WORSE POSSIBLE THING THAT COULD HAPPEN JUST LIKE WORLD WAR 3 STARTING AFTER THE LEAVE VOTE!


Is it the knobs in power that caused this problem? No it wasn't. IN ONE WORD - DEMOCRACY

Will the EU do us a good deal so we come out laughing? Don't be stupid, it's in their best interest to deal us the worst deal possible to deter others from leaving. THIS I AGREE WITH TO MANY POLITICIANS WITH THEIR SNOUTS IN THE GRAVY TRAIN TROUGH

Would having a different leader or different party leading the country make a difference? Nope it would not. Whoever is in charge will be dealing with the same EU negotiators. THIS I AGREE WITH TO MANY POLITICIANS WITH THEIR SNOUTS IN THE GRAVY TRAIN TROUGH

The people that voted for this should accept the blame for it.WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY WHO HAVE TRUSTED THERE ELECTED MP's TO NEGOTIATE NOT CAPITULATE

In the short term we can reasonably expect financial instability, value of the pound dropping leading to inflation in just about everything, businesses leaving the UK, drops in UK tax revenue which will lead to tax rises on top of inflation etc etc JUST LIKE THE MARKETS HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS I SUPPOSE THE SOUTH SEA BUBBLE, BLACK WEDNESDAY and THE BANKS COLLAPSING IS BREXITs FAULT

All of this of course is speculation as nobody really knows whats going to happen but I don't hear Brexiteers predicting financial growth, house price rises, tax drops, stability etc... In fact we hear almost nothing from Brexiteers except them slagging off anybodies predictions of what will happen. But they don't have any predictions of their own..... NO BUT THE BANK OF ENGLAND WITH THEIR WORSE CASE SCENARIO SAID NO DEAL WOULD BE 8% WORSE, BUT ITS STILL 8% WORSE 'GROWTH'!

I see that someone has now suggested a cross party agreement to secure a better negotiated BREXIT, this should have been done since Day 1 of negotiations without CORBYN, STURGEON, and all the others, going behind the negotiators backs to undermine the UK's negotiators.
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   Old Thread  #25 15 Dec 2018 at 10.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
House prices are not going to drop by 30%.....

Supply and demand will see to that as we simply don't have enough houses and builders will sit on land rather than build and sell for much less.....
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I agree with your first sentence but after that I could dissect all the rest but I won't other than to say I don't think house price rises are a good thing.
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What happens next March is anyone's guess but it looks like it's more likely going to have a nagative impact at least in the short term at best, if we have a no deal it's expected to be a worse. If this happens then house price may take a hit, the bank of England guess it'll be to the tune of 30% for a no deal brexit so any buyers would be daft to buy now.


Is it the knobs in power that caused this problem? No it wasn't.

Will the EU do us a good deal so we come out laughing? Don't be stupid, it's in their best interest to deal us the worst deal possible to deter others from leaving.

Would having a different leader or different party leading the country make a difference? Nope it would not. Whoever is in charge will be dealing with the same EU negotiators.

The people that voted for this should accept the blame for it.

In the short term we can reasonably expect financial instability, value of the pound dropping leading to inflation in just about everything, businesses leaving the UK, drops in UK tax revenue which will lead to tax rises on top of inflation etc etc

All of this of course is speculation as nobody really knows whats going to happen but I don't hear Brexiteers predicting financial growth, house price rises, tax drops, stability etc... In fact we hear almost nothing from Brexiteers except them slagging off anybodies predictions of what will happen. But they don't have any predictions of their own.....




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Don't leave it too late if those knobs at Westminster **** it up they'll be an influx of immigrants and the prices will rocket
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Itís a first time buyers market at the moment, Iím ready to go, after a couple of fall throughs Iím sitting tight for the moment as the prices keep going down. Iím headed to lingfield but most of the Surrey prices keep dropping too
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Ive got an old microcat , probably works, I'm in.
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House prices are a lot more than 30% overpriced... I'm happy with huge house price drops by any amount as I'm payed up and have no debt.

Negative equity has zero impact for genuine house buyers that are in it for the long term unless your looking to accrue more debt straight away which will have to then wait, the only people that are affected are people looking for a quick turnaround, quick profit.....

Brexit does have unforeseen positives.
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No,but you could afford one in the southwest,and have enough money left over to eat,the locales'.....will hate you though til you pass on ...😁
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On the plus side house prices to drop by 30% And i still won't be able to afford one in Surrey
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The tea was poor but the lads still drank it. Your ok.
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I will release my microcat to help the cause
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Iím in, but can you let me know when you plan to shut waitrose, only i love their asparagus 😉
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Yep , 30mm air dried 😀
Could do with one of the air powered boilies canons I suppose lol
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Donít forget ya catapult as I suppose a good few boilies be boarded on those boats.
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   Old Thread  #10 28 Nov 2018 at 8.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I worked on the Trident subs as an apprentice in the shipyard. Wouldn't put too much faith in them as my construction skills weren't the best...

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   Old Thread  #9 27 Nov 2018 at 11.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have a paddleboard and surfboard,plus a spare Trangia,together we could make a significant difference ,especially if Mrs May takes on board my advice about the tunnel...

Rule Britannica ,or is that the encyclopaedia .... ....
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   Old Thread  #8 27 Nov 2018 at 9.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I say we invade Europe ,
I've got two boat's , whose with me 😀
And when we are done with them , about four days should do it , I hope so , can't see my jam sandwiches lasting any longer than that ,
We can then deal with these flakey remainers , if we lock the doors on every waitrose in the country on a Saturday ,that will bugger them up 😀
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   Old Thread  #7 27 Nov 2018 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree...

I'm British,not European,once this is finally sorted,we can try and get our country back,run by and for British people.

Another thing,cut all aid to foreign regimes,British people first now....

Hopefully,in time those who have been forced to move away from the conurbations,because of fear of crime,could if they so wished move back,and relieve the pressure on rural areas,that's the real reason why people are moving to rural areas..not because of a nice sunset,or roses round the porch..




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   Old Thread  #6 27 Nov 2018 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
**** em, we should just pull out, and do our own thing like we did when we were ďGreatĒ Britain. Being patronised by some ****ing upstarts in Belgium, really?
If it werenít for us and the yanks many years ago, weíd all be German now, including all those snakey *******s that are turning the knife.
We saved their arses in the last world war, and weíre treated like **** now?

The sooner weíre away from all these flakey *******s the better
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   Old Thread  #5 27 Nov 2018 at 4.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Project Fear now in overdrive at a higher level...........

Deal, no deal or stay..........................since when was stay an option available since triggering Article 50 is a no return route.

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   Old Thread  #4 27 Nov 2018 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Following of all,things when in a rush Ďa tractor,. He was also shouting the end is nigh.....




































Think it was FarmerGeddon.
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   Old Thread  #3 27 Nov 2018 at 2.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Edit...resist...must resist
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   Old Thread  #2 26 Nov 2018 at 10.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's not the British thing to do now is it....

We can just argue till the cows come home and make ourselve look like idiots with the in-fighting. ...

It was always going to be like this when it was such a close outcome, whatever the plan 50% are going to be against it.
Is there a better deal to be had?? Probably not but that won't stop the die hard brexiteers.... it's like they want the worst case scenario and nothing else will do as the EU won't just roll over...



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   Old Thread  #1 26 Nov 2018 at 10.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If this leaving the EU goes pear shaped and we now end up under the rule of the EU would it not be prudent to have a military coup and marshal law ??🤔

Then prep Trident and then see if we have been sold duds 🤔
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