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   Old Thread  #158 26 Jan 2019 at 1.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No mate, as I said earlier... That is not the Sonning linear the fish which you are talking about. The Sonning linear has not been caught from the Thames for over a decade. It was still about a few years ago though.

I know that last post was long winded. But it needed saying. I really liked Nick, even though I knew he'd been 'sent' by people where meant to be my pals. When KB caught the same fish these same blokes terrorised him to. They are so petty. They only fish the Thames. They all think they are great anglers... Yet if I took any single one of them to a 'proper' lake... They would be so lost it was unreal.

They could not deal with the fact that a 50 turned up in their lap... That's all.

I know carp fishing for big carp. Please imagine, these blokes were trying to play mind games with me, telling me it had been moved when it had not been. Loads of similar.

I told everyone I knew whilst smacking the arse out of it, that I cannot wait to get the biggun and get away from all those local idiots. Bar a couple, they were all very bad anglers in reality. But i was chasing the fish, and he moved into their bit. I never even went after it in some one else's stretch until I had permission, from a 60 year old man. Does that sound like a bully? Nah I'm a proper Thames angler, sorry. They ain't. They have butchered the river, for what? Well done the lot of you. You brought them all, it was you lot. Could not wait to tell everyone where I was having them fish from. I'm gone now... But you've blown the only place you've fished for twenty five years. You don't have much, and you ruined it now. Nice one, you're proper Thames anglers you lot.

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   Old Thread  #157 26 Jan 2019 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Dear TCarper

You are not the only person who has to work hard , I'm sure most of the guys on here work or have worked before they have retired.

Its life that we work to live and then hopefully get some time to go fishing and enjoy ourselves.

Enjoy your fishing. Look to the future and not in the past.

Good Luck
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   Old Thread  #156 26 Jan 2019 at 1.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Re: Mother nature Flood restocking
Hasn't that nice linear that Dave Lane had in his Sonning campaign at low 32 or 33 lb now back in the Thames and grown on to 43 lb odd ?

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   Old Thread  #155 26 Jan 2019 at 1.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And some more information that is probably pertinent to things that have been said in this thread. I'm a London lad my entire life. I've always fished the river Thames. I've always driven many miles to get to my fishing, my whole life, around the worst and most busy stretches of road in the UK. This makes it hard. No baiting, no prepping. I've been a worker my entire life apart from when I was ill for a period. So a four hour round journey after a days work plastering to bait up, was proper hard work. Most Thames anglers live right next to the river. Easy times. In 2017 at Xmas, I moved a family from central London, to Sonning in Berkshire. I was there for just over a year. I may not have got the record fish. But I'm not bitter at all.

That year, was the best of my fishing life. It was like a child being locked in the sweet shop all night. A London kid, being let loose in big fish central? All on the doorstep? I caught so many carp, found them over two months pre ticket, and smacked them from Burghfield in one trip, three 40's. That big fully at over 40 from a no fishing pit, carp from the Thames in unheard of numbers. Oh and chuck in rakes of monster Thames pike over 25lb myself, that no one had ever seen before, including the third largest ever caught from the river, for my good friend. Best days fishing of my life seeing him catch that thing. I also caught the third largest barbel ever caught from the river Thames at the time, within ten minutes of seriously casting out for them.

Best years angling of my life, all done while working full time, and running a busy business. The woman I was with, I am no longer with, my fault. She will never understand that the little fishing boy from London, had been let loose in heaven. But I changed her's and her children's lives forever, from Hackney to Sonning is a great future for them all. Not growing up and getting stabbed, but having a great future. But that year in 2017, I was as happy as I could ever be. Do you think the local anglers liked all this? Come on, be honest? Some flash sod from London comes down, and starts showing the locals how to do it, properly on their 'patch'. What's going to happen? You know. I was hindered trying to get 'him'.

I'm not jealous, and I bear no grudges anymore. I've moved on. I had the best years fishing of my life that year. I did not get him, and well done to anyone who has, or will in the future.

A sad story. Some one who hindered me with that fish, after he had caught it three times, along with his mate. Nicks mate to. My son, who I am mega proud of, is a paramedic. He covers the whole of Berkshire area and beyond. I asked him a name when me and this guy were friends, going fishing together. He was another friend I thought. He came to my house and got free stuff. Took free tackle from me enough. Turned out, my baby boy and many of his colleagues, had saved a member of that persons families life, whom that person had told me about many many times. That person, then done all he could to stop me catching that fish, so I never told him. I just let him crack on. Through jealousy he done it. I knew all the time. He once told me that I should not put photos up on the internet. I had to explain to him that some people have to work, and pay tax, so that many others can go fishing. He soon shut up. He once took free stuff from me, and walked down the river to another local angler to tell him I was bullying him off the stretch. He's already had it three times. When he had had it twice, he told me to come get it. He knew I'd been after it for years. I was convinced it would return to it's original home, so plan was there for the start, and down 'there' if 'he' was not about in his original home again. He spoke to most days that close, telling me about an upper 30 he was feeding. He told others to. It was the record. A week after he caught it again, and I was there. He was drinking my tea, and slipped up. He proclaimed "I thought it was 50 mate, I watched it for a week". He's spent all close on the phone to me telling me it was a different fish. So then I could not get a ticket for the club in 2018. Last time I spoke to him, I asked him if he is glad he lied to me now. He told me, no he wished he had told me the truth, and let me get it. That he wished I did now. A week later he was in the bushes watching me and Nick. I know what it is, these people are not used to dealing with a 50lb fish. They are used to catching 20's & 30's their whole life. When a 50 drops in their lap... They can't handle it. When he caught it for the fourth time, he brought a bait firm owner down to do the photos. It got blown anyway before Nick. He does not know that story above. That my baby boy who I brought into the world, was saving his nearest and dearest, whilst he was getting so bitter over some fishing with me.

Some people will read that, and gulp. Good, gulp away. You cannot get my son in any trouble like you tried to with me with the council, when you stopped me fishing your club stretch. He loves that member of your family. He pays tax, and works like me. You go fishing most days, whilst you're a carer for twenty years, so should be careful getting on the grassing buzz like you do. You wanted me stopped totally from having any chance of catching it. My son is absolutely clueless to what a nasty person you really are, I would not jeopardise him. I know you will read this. And your friends are to. My son has probably saved, or will save members of all of your families lives. How does that make you feel? It's fishing. That stuff is real life.

Hang your head in shame after reading that. It's all the gospel.

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   Old Thread  #154 26 Jan 2019 at 1.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Which gospel?

Lovely pics by the way.
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   Old Thread  #153 26 Jan 2019 at 12.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Victory, you want to talk to me about two sides of stories, read that. You're pal is on here, he is reading it. Why you replying? Tell him to come say any of it is a lie.
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   Old Thread  #152 26 Jan 2019 at 10.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They have always come and gone from the river mate. The fish your friends saw, were Thames carp originally. They all were. They always have been, since before anglers set foot on there. And they always will be. Those great big fish your friends saw, had flooded in there, and got big in a rich shallow big pit. They saw carp that mother nature could make giants, with no anglers bait involved. Lucky men. That pit is doing great things again... Only because mother nature restocked her from the river again... And the anglers all disappeared for years... Because the big fish were gone.

Lake anglers talk about the Sonning fish flooding into the river... Well they come from the river long, long before that in the first place. The Sonning linear... Classic Thames carp. He was spawned in the river, not Sonning. All of the classic Sonning fish were Thames fish... All us real Thames anglers have always known that, I did try to tell them on that Sonning thread about the Eye, on Cemtex donkeys years ago. You only need look at them, and see the lake connected to the river in winter, in six places. It's always gone on. Sonning floods into the river on a grand scale, regular in a bad flood year. They can come and go when it is like that, and as carp like to... They do. Sometimes you may get a decade of no major flood... But when it comes... Bosh, it's all change. The Eye himself had an eye parasite, that he got in the first place from being in the Thames... Before anglers ever saw him.

One big Winter, EVERYTHING can change. It always has, and it always will.

This fish below is from a pit. It was a Thames fish originally. It was caught from the river as an 18lb fish twenty five years ago. It has lived in two different pits at least, and was born in the river first. Mother nature is the Donald Leney of our times. And mother nature does it better than anyone.

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   Old Thread  #151 26 Jan 2019 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Best reading on here in ages, the perfect antidote to those frankenstein fish threads.

And some truly awesome carp, not just looks but in character.
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   Old Thread  #150 26 Jan 2019 at 9.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Skear and two sometimes three other anglers that worked for my late father years ago caught some georgeous carp from Sonning, and some of the other nearby pits in the 70s. The majority of which have never been seen since, at least not in photographs?
The general opinion is, they either died, found their way into the Thames or perished in the fish kill which I think was early 90s? There were some very big fish found dead in the kill, (so we were told)

Steve once told me the biggest carp hed ever seen was in Sonning,and that was way before it was getting any attention from any carp anglers. Its sometimes quite a surprise for people to find out, that very big carp did exist in the UK a very long time ago, in waters other than Redmire.
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   Old Thread  #149 25 Jan 2019 at 11.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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River fish are hardy for sure, survivors of the fittest, proper warriors to the end.

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   Old Thread  #148 25 Jan 2019 at 11.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Me to. The Thames is very special indeed mate, all of them. The pike, the barbel, the chub, the perch, the roach, and even the carp lol. The fish are very hardy to. That river chugs in the winter. They have to deal with some MAJOR shizzle every winter. Over weirs, the lot. It's not unusual to catch them ripped to bits.

This one had been carved up by a boat engine. You can clearly see the propeller cuts, three of them. The one on the back was so deep, it should have died. Carp care was not going to help him that much... But I tried anyway and super glued his floppy tail back up.

They are a hardy old species

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   Old Thread  #147 25 Jan 2019 at 11.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can well believe what must have swum in and out of there over the years. WOW.
So true, I was lucky TBH. I think he had about 18-20 members early on that first year.

If I was a Thames carp I'd be straight in there.

The Thames will always be the king of rivers, like Dr Who, the stock constantly under regeneration

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   Old Thread  #146 25 Jan 2019 at 10.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mate I don't blame you, I was tempted at first till I heard the real stories. You're lucky you did not lose your money. Others did, not long after they had paid I was told. Or struggled to get it back to in one case.

Here's one for you. I've seen a video, long before any of this was done... Of two of the most incredible fully you have seen in your life. The video was taken, as the person was rescuing them... They had beached themselves whilst spawning. It's a natural spawning ground for Thames carp, and always has been. You can join up the dots mate.

Who would not go have a look mate? But he protects it with weapons I'm told, and wants to frighten everyone away. You know why. Everyone does now.

It was famous long before any of that you mention or the bloke you knew, but no names need mentioning as it's all so long ago now. Stocked lakes that place did, all over the country to I was told, with Thames carp long before it got renamed to make a syndicate, or he was ever over there even.

I love the Thames, none of that over there, has ever been good really. It goes on elsewhere to, not just there. River fish get taken.
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   Old Thread  #145 25 Jan 2019 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for that update.

Yes, he was the Land caretaker sort of role, Trev had a back/shoulder injury at work and decided to give the syndicate option a go. That's what I was told. LOL !

I saw his photo album, that big square bellied spawn bound 40 plus common, remember seeing that one, and a handful of people that were guesting it ( from Swindon ) before he started running it as A52, some stunners where in there, long scaley ones, fullys, linears.

Quiet, untapped 30 odd acre, rich & weedy venue, a nice marina to hide in, fish stock unknown, almost too good an offer to not join. 750 a ticket, thing was I did about 4 nights all year, bloody expensive ticket for me, lesson learnt.
Always heard lots of things about it's past.
Was told Springate, Hearn, Lane looked at it whilst fishing Sonning ( pre syndicate ) was that true? always had that mystery about it.

Personally I don't agree with fish moving or prevention of natural right of passage, that stigma always played on my mind.
Heard about the Sonning incident, heard about big fish rumours being moved by other people to other venues nearby as well.

Nature as nature should be. I'm glad that the fish are free to explore Father Thames.

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   Old Thread  #144 25 Jan 2019 at 10.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It has come and gone as far as I am told mate. I've never seen it with my own eyes, but I've been told there was very small bouys there holding a net up, and that the bouys were set just below water level. That when it was there, you would not even know, unless you done what you did or wheer right on top of it. This was taken in and out according to what I've been told, by people who would know and saw it themselves. That only happened for a period I was told. At certain times they would want to be in there anyway the fish, at others they would not. Nature.That does not work with a 700 a man syndicate though, does it. Not really. Not if you think about it.

The syndicate should have never been I am also told, it's on the man who owns the marinas land, and Lafarge own the rest. He is/was some sort of caretaker, for the man who runs the marina and had become homeless, so was living over there somewhere. When the man who owns the marina, his boss, found out what he was up to charging 700 a man... He kicked him off. Then the heros moved in, and started moving fish back into the river I was told... If that is true or not, who knows. Karma if so. That net has not been there for time now I was told.

This is what I do know myself, 100%, not stuff I've been told by others. remember, I've never actually been over there myself. That place has always been very dodgy. I see him myself, when fishing the marina entrance. Coming and going, at silly o clock, with others in the boat with him, early and late in the period running up to the syndicate opening. Stealth style. He was caught by a Sonning bailiff I was told on Cemtex, by the bailiff himself, on both river and lake apparently years ago. All of the big fish in the river round there started turning up in there, very suddenly, and then the syndicate opened. It gets better.

I was once shown a photo, of a very large common, and told it was the Thames record just before that syndicate opened. I showed it to an old school angler... He told me that it was with out question, the monster common which came from Sonning just once, (publicised). Right next door. Well it went walkies didn't it, some one else had it, and moved it, maybe it just flooded then was kept mega quiet LOL. I was shown the photo, as a claimed Thames record by some one else... LOL. It's all old hat now... But very funny still.

Everything around that marina, and Deans farm etc, has always been a bit dodgy. Lakes used to get stocked from there by some one else... Who showed the other man how to do it all I guess. A stain on Thames carping that place was.

It's a shame, because before all this... That man caught the best looking Thames carp that I have ever seen from that marina, properly. A monster fully. When people want to make money as life goes a bit wrong, they do mad things. I heard loads of anglers did not get their money back either. He's back I heard, chasing people away again like it's all his. LOL.
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