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   Old Thread  #398 19 Jul 2019 at 8.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Nothing news here, it's always the same story, when the carp anglers crowd move to a water in pursuit of a target fish Carps got found dead for some reason.

Maybe it could be the Thames Spirits chose to sacrifice the biggest Carp to sweep off the unwanted clowns.

Note: I live very far from this water but is the same everywhere wherever a wonderful Carp get showed on some media.
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   Old Thread  #397 19 Jul 2019 at 10.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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so true mark
Us true to the word Thames Carpers are a breed apart from the usual sheep.
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   Old Thread  #396 19 Jul 2019 at 9.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Gerry, Yes without knowing all the facts, and none of us do, it wouldnít be fair to blame one person. If the stories and rumours are true, especially regarding the fish being caught after Nick caught it, itís anybodyís guess what actually killed it.

I openly donít like the use of heavy baiting with nuts in fishing, I have genuine reasons why, and anglers that know about what this can do to fish will agree 100% So anybody that has been heavily baiting down there with them, or any other venue, high profile or otherwise would lose my respect instantly. Those things really should be banned, as there is so much confusion and conflicting views on them. They do mess up, and kill fish when used in large quantity or unprepared. Certain rigs and methods get banned on fisheries, yet the use of peanuts is ok? Strange.

The other thing I cannot make sense of, I know how quickly the miss use of nuts can effect the fish, and how drastically. Nick caught the fish back in October of last year if Iím not mistaken, thatís 9-10 months ago and the fish has very recently died.
So, did the fish die a slow lingering death as the result of Nick shovelling the peanuts in there back in October?
Did Nick put in so many peanuts back then, that the fish are still trying to eat them? Has Nick been fishing the Thames again recently, and putting lots of nuts in?

Or, are the stories about rumours that the fish was initially caught by Nick using peanuts in large or small quantity, and so all the pilgrims have been filling the place in with peanuts?
I am not accusing, or defending anybody, Iím saying if Nick did use nuts, even overdoing it, unless heís been doing so recently, why has the fish taken so long to die as a consequence?

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   Old Thread  #395 19 Jul 2019 at 8.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the point Im making is I think its wrong to blame one person for it - very true Gerry.

But as the post NH Linear captors haven't gone public, no one can blame them, as NO ONE knows any facts what happened, other than immense angling pressure on said stretch, leading up to the additional capture/s or the carp care skills once it was banked.

But piling in silly amounts of Peanuts is a big no no, in anyone's books, more so when you are in the public eye/# media circus.
People look up to you, watch & follow you, and copy your methods, find your preferred areas. Rightly or wrongly.

The shepherd guides his sheep to the stretch. No need for that, no respect for the locals. The exact stretch location should have stayed under the radar and kept

I just hope people learn from this.

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   Old Thread  #394 19 Jul 2019 at 4.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes Lee you raised a very good point about what happened AFTER Nick caught it !

I have heard rumours it was caught a couple of times after ??

and as you say when people hear about a certain bait catching a big fish its not unreasonable to think people would copy the method and try and catch it too ?
as said earlier when a big old fish suddenly gets caught a few times over a short space of time they often die it happens so often ?

we all fish for different reasons
and some people like Nick earn their living chasing and catching big fish and writing about them

so is it wrong he did his homework and found out about a someones secret fish ??? or a big fish that swims in the river Thames
and then caught it
WE will never know why that fish died it could be loads of different reasons maybe one of the people that caught it afterwards dropped it ?
the point Im making is I think its wrong to blame one person for it
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   Old Thread  #393 19 Jul 2019 at 0.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A crying shame Mark, as I said I have no idea of the baiting arrangements on the river. People that know NH have given the impression that he always has fish welfare first and foremost, perhaps not from your account of events.
I must say, Iíd not heard of any otter sited on the stretch where NH caught the fish. This 25 kg is an example of what I mentioned earlier, about how different people gauge the term heavy baiting. I have seen people putting in sack loads of peanuts, certainly matching the 25kg you mentioned, and often more. What are these people thinking about?
For an experienced and recognised angler, to do this, even for livelihood dependency, is unforgivable and disgusting for me. I have no reason to disbelieve you, youíve always seemed as straight as a dye to me.

Not sure how true this is either but, I was talking to a mate on the blower this morning about this situation. He said, some of the anglers that have made the pilgrimage down there chasing the fish, heard that the fish had been caught at least once on peanuts. So, a lot of these people have piled in peanuts and tigers, in the quantity never seen on there before.
So many of the fish could have gorged on them, and still be doing so now, so who knows whatís coming next?
This is a second or third hand story though, so not sure how much merit it holds? Sounds plausible though considering.

What a horrible feeling though, regardless of what killed it, for the decent angler that pursued it. I once had access to a water, thanks to a friend, that held two real big fish.
I was keen then, and fished every spare moment I had after these fish. I lost one at the net one afternoon with witnesses, and before Iíd get another chance, the selfishness and stupidity of two people ended the dream.
Iím still bitter about it to this day to be honest. So, I know how you and the proper Thames anglers feel.
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   Old Thread  #392 18 Jul 2019 at 10.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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25kg of Peanuts Totally irresponsible IMHO

If that baiting up amount is true, Christ even the pioneering carpers to St Cassien in France were not piling that many Peanuts in.

So many better, more nutritional baits to use that would benefit the carp.

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   Old Thread  #391 18 Jul 2019 at 7.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Powerful stuff mate.
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   Old Thread  #390 18 Jul 2019 at 3.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Quod Severis Metes
Hopefully as I've no reason to doubt Mark.
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I've only just got back from Brazil. I knew what had happened while I was away with the big mirror dying. There are no otters there. I have fished that stretch, and that area (surrounding stretches) for seven years after that fish. Hundreds and hundreds of nights. No Otter damage to any of the hundreds of fish I caught. Not one otter ever seen. They do not come down below Reading town centre regarding the Thames.

'The pest' (whoever gave him that nickname was a genius) was piling in peanuts by the barrel load. His friend Oli Davies, one of the 'carpy' circus divs he brought down to do the photographs and videos apparently saw an otter first day of the season 2019, on his very first night fishing LOL.... All complete rubbish and crap, to cover it up for his friend. The fish was seen swimming around distressed during the close season, they knew what was going to happen. The pest was preparing 100kg of chilli salted peanuts at a time, putting in 25kg a go by the barrel late 2018, despite having access to as much free boiled bait as he wanted. It was always going to end in tears, and had been spoken about already at the time of his stupidity. The whereabouts of that great fish, was kept from public consumption for virtually a decade. Yes people knew of it, I publicised all of my captures... KB did to. But no one knew where it was from. The area was very tranquil. In 2017 I fished the stretch all year on my own. Real Thames anglers do not do stuff like what the stupid 'carpy' circus crew like to do. The weekend after he caught it, there was fifty carp anglers up that stretch. The carpy crew he got down there to do the photos and videos, told every sod they knew where it was. The place was destroyed within a week of them finding out where it lived. It's now like Thorpe Lea. Rammed out like a day ticket. It was his fourth fish he caught from the area, and he sheeped them all off of some local lad who was fishing down there with me in 2018 anyway. The poor lad was catching, but had to go to work for three days. Their boats were already less than 100 yards apart before this. Thames anglers do not do stuff like this, we leave each other alone.

Peanuts killed that fish. I was called jealous on this forum, by people who have no clue whatsoever. I've carp fished the Thames for thirty plus years. No more, I walked away in virtual tears after what those circus freaks brought with them after his capture. Nick is no Thames angler... He had caught one Thames carp before, being taken with TH. He found out where I was catching all of those stunning fish from in 2017, and had heard about the big mirror from a local he plied with some free tackle. He cannot get a ticket to any decent lake around, for very good reasons.

He killed that fish, and no one will ever tell me any different. The fish was in rude health, and growing like stink. I watched it and fed it proper bait to grow from low 40, to 50+. It was a male fish, and never got involved in spawning with the much smaller fish. His silly carpy friends are now going around spouting on about otters... It's all bull****. Let him come to your syndicate lakes and pile in peanuts, 25kg a time. It would not be allowed to happen, and if it did, and the best fish in the country was in distress within four months, and died within six months... There would be absolutely total uproar. Rightly so too. The moment that fish was seen in distress, stories are made up to make it all 'alright'. It's not alright in my book, and it never will be. Other local Thames anglers knew the truth to, that's why there has been uproar on social media whilst I have been on the other side of the world. I never got Gardner, or Mainline down there to do stupid catch report videos, the river Thames is far to special for all of that caper... Just not to some, who do not care. Before he had caught a single fish from the area, Sticky were down there making videos. The video crew, none of them Thames anglers, social media kings. It was a complete joke, but when you earn no money whatsoever... You need to do things like this for a few pennies.

The carp circus, caught up with the river Thames.... It ended up with the best fish in the land dead within six months. They should all hang their heads in total shame. Information is golden for these type of carpers. Instagram is king. Most of them barely fish. The ones that do, are full timers on benefits. But a little bit of information is their currency. They totally ruined the river Thames in five minutes, all completely heartbreaking. The pressure that they brought with them, was always going to disperse those very special fish, the entire length of the river. But the biggun did not make it away, it was already in trouble, that is the reason why. There were some very special Thames carp in that area, the best of them in the 215 mile long river. I pray that the rest of them got away and moved on.
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   Old Thread  #388 18 Jul 2019 at 8.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Peanuts going into a river depending on the flow etc, will have a better chance of being moved around and as you say picked up by other species. If the nuts are put in there in large quantities, and that can be any amount depending on what an individual classes as a large amount, and the carp are visiting and feeding in that area regularly, which is often the case once they get pre occupied with nuts, that is when the potential for problems start.
Studies can indicate all kinds of things, the fact is, allowing the use of peanuts on a fishery, opens the place up to a lot of risk.
There is not enough education on nuts in fishing, experienced anglers in this thread even admit theyíre not sure about them.

Iíve had a lot of first hand experience, and witnessed what happens with over use and miss use of peanuts in fishing. They have small benefit to a fish, mainly protein, apart from that itís all bad.

I donít know whether they had anything to do with the fish dying, Iím just commenting on something Iíve had experience with.
A while back peanuts were frowned upon because of a few instances similar to what Iíve mentioned. Then they became fashionable again, and over used.
If somebody is fishing for a day, just a few handfuls of peanuts is the max they should be thinking about.
Iíve seen them go in by the sack load at times, and the person putting them in might be telling everybody how great they are, and the carp love them, and anybody saying they are bad is talking ********. I know what I think, but Iím an old codger that knows different.
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   Old Thread  #387 18 Jul 2019 at 8.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think many people are forgetting the vast amounts of chub, bream, barbel that will also be eating these said peanuts. Many fish will move through stretches, different type of system to a contained lake. Unless tonnes were going in would there really be a danger of the carp not eating anything else??

Also if you read a number of studies peanuts actually are very good for fish, unless their diet is SOLELY peanuts for a PROLONGED period which is extremely unlikely to happen in a river environment considering there is multiple food sources available, miles for the fish to travel if they wish and plenty of competition.

The fish is sadly dead now, anything could of happened to it and the finger pointing is just sad really.
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   Old Thread  #386 18 Jul 2019 at 7.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers scozza, itís how it is now I think.

Peanuts can be a good bait if used sensibly, like on a day session a handful as ground bait, and not big carpets of them being put out.
Peanuts have a big draw for carp, and once they get feeding on them, they become pre-occupied usually to the point that theyíre almost drugged. Then if the peanuts start going into a water in vast amounts, the carp take little interest in other baits, as they seem to think of the nuts a bit like natural food.

Peanuts although packed with protein, lack certain other vitamins that are good for carp, so even whilst gorging on them, the nuts do very little for a carpís welfare.
Then you have the problems that come with peanuts that arenít prepared properly, they must be prepared before even thinking of putting them into the water.

Anglers arenít educated enough on these type of baits, I was on a few waters a long time ago where fish dropped in weight rapidly because of over use of them. Some people wonít accept that nuts arenít great for carp, usually because they are using them.
If I owned a fishery Iíd ban them, Iíd like to see them banned everywhere. There are lots of other bait choices, and most will benefit a carp a lot more than peanuts.

I donít know if Nick used peanuts and if so how many, I also donít know other Thames anglers bait arrangements. If nuts have been going in there, or anywhere else in big quantity, it wonít do the fish any good at all.
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   Old Thread  #385 17 Jul 2019 at 11.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I thought they can struggle to digest too many nuts that's why some places ban all nuts
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   Old Thread  #384 17 Jul 2019 at 10.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not nice to see.

I genuinely have no idea about the peanut situation though, can excessive amounts of peanuts kill a fish? Was nick or anyone else even using peanuts in the quantities people are talking about?
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   Old Thread  #383 17 Jul 2019 at 10.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I pulled the poor thing out and not ottered in my opinion, Nicks claim it is via a poor video is laughable.

Either way, sad loss to angling. Wonít stop me going back!
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   Old Thread  #382 17 Jul 2019 at 9.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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tons of peanuts dumped in dont do any fish good

a well know big coln valley fished was found dead after it had been caught a couple of times on peanuts
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   Old Thread  #381 17 Jul 2019 at 9.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not aimed at me but.... old age and spawning especially females.

A big girl in a lake by me was caught at upper 30 a month or so before they spawned and was looking mega after looking tatty (parasite infestation to me) the same time a few years earlier.

She was found belly up a month or so later virtually straight after spawning. The fish was at least 40 years old (possibly 50)

Nothing lives forever.!!
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   Old Thread  #380 17 Jul 2019 at 8.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What a great post Lee, sums up carp angling as a whole for me, the reality, thatís how it is

Brilliant
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   Old Thread  #379 17 Jul 2019 at 8.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nah surely it canít be peanuts alone?
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   Old Thread  #378 17 Jul 2019 at 8.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Usually I think itís safe to say, fish of this calibre and relative former discreetness, can stay under the radar for a long time. Some of my fishing pals who are a lot more dedicated than me, have their little secrets about waters and what lives in them. So it all ticks along nicely, with anybody seriously set on catching these fish, playing the cloak and dagger game, which they are only too happy to do.
Also usually the people that are pursuing a certain fish, will have like a code amongst themselves. Sometimes through circumstance, often accident, the capture of a fish gets outed. Sometimes only partially outed.
In Nickís capture of the fish, it was properly and completely outed, and as most who knew of him publicising it expected, it caused a big influx of ďThamesĒ anglers that were heading for the glory. A sad and unfortunate affair but, also human nature plays a part. If you are a carp angler who craves the capture of a big carp with history, itís a big carrot hearing of such a capture.

Although Nick didnít name the stretch, he may as well have, as anybody that knows the river, will know from landmarks exactly where it is. Him outing the fish indicates to me that he had no further business on there in the future. So to the many playing cloak and dagger, this was a cruel blow to their hopes or dreams or targets whatever. To Nick, it helps put food on the table.

I can vividly remember Clive and Malcom outing the Cons with their Richworth videos, now they made a few quid out of that venture, and had caught more than their share of the stock at the time. They were expelled from the club but, never seemed too bothered so I think they knew exactly what they were doing.
The Mere was supposedly outed by Jason Heyward although he hadnít caught all the other nice fish in there. So why out it?
Glory because others were about to out the capture, and steal his thunder? The consequences were the same as the Thames though.
The Thames has recently seen lots of angler traffic, some of them are experienced even well known, others were taking a chance, and why not?

That fish has been caught more times than whatís heard about or outed.
Many knew of Katch Bullet catching the fish, which could of resulted in the same consequences but, he didnít give out as much info as Nick.

I have it on good authority that the fish was caught at least twice after Nick had it. There were no mention of any problems with the fish either. At least one of the catches showed the fish heavier than when Nick caught it, by how much isnít clear.
I actually hope that the captors do out their captures now, as it would clear up a lot of finger pointing

I have a lot of nice memories of fishing the Thames back in the 70ís and 80ís and itís very sentimental to me, so I keep tabs on it but, couldnít fish it now, itís changed so much.

Is Mark still on here? I wonder what he makes of it?
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   Old Thread  #377 17 Jul 2019 at 8.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looking at the pics again im sure i can see a peanut sticking out of its arse........
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   Old Thread  #376 17 Jul 2019 at 6.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ive pulled plenty of fish out of lakes that look like the pics and no otters about
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   Old Thread  #375 17 Jul 2019 at 6.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What do you think it could have been Josh? I've seen the photos and it doesn't look like otter damage to me. Seems strange that it went belly up not long after a high profile capture and all the publicity it received.
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   Old Thread  #374 17 Jul 2019 at 6.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just seen another clearer photo, not sure if it is otters
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   Old Thread  #373 11 Jul 2019 at 9.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep, they can also look mint at the time of capture as well.
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   Old Thread  #372 11 Jul 2019 at 7.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Definitely, happens way too often to be coincidence
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   Old Thread  #370 11 Jul 2019 at 6.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yonny, I agree with you
Either way, whatever the actual cause may have been, it is totally abnormal behaviour for such a rare visitor.

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For me, 2 or 3 captures within a short space of time can indicate the fish is on it's way out. Rather than the fish died because it got caught 2 or 3 times in a short space of time.
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Sorry for any confusion.
OK, so to be absolutely clear to you, and anyone else on here on what I said, and why.
Good post, as in very informative

ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SENTENCE
the fish was caught twice, possibly three times after Nick had caught it. Why arenít these anglers having the same treatment ?

This new evidence, if true, to me anyway, suggest that this Thames 50 was caught multiple times, within a short period of time, at the most stressful time of year for a fish to be caught. Simply too much for it.
Was the fish, female carrying spawn, or a big male... personally I don't know.

The NH Sticky baits circus capture has been well publicised, so people only think it has been caught once this year, but in fact, these other post NH captures, were unknown to the masses.

Changes peoples thinking somewhat.

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Good post that, the fish was caught twice, possibly three times after Nick had caught it. Why arenít these anglers having the same treatment ?

Really

You couldn't ****ing write it could you
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Good post that, the fish was caught twice, possibly three times after Nick had caught it. Why arenít these anglers having the same treatment ?

My guess is because none of them ( after nicks capture ) publicly displayed the fact that they had caught it. So nobody knows in the mainstream, where else to point a finger of possible blame, just Nick.
TBH it could happen to anyone. Itís nature closing a chapter of life.

Especially in fishing, Publicity is very much a double edged sword.

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   Old Thread  #365 11 Jul 2019 at 11.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good post 👍
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This is all very sad, firstly a real shame that a lovely fish has expired, and also all the nasty venting of accusations and rumours.
I used to fish the Thames a very long time ago, and it was like another world, peaceful mysterious etc, and we had a few nice fish, which almost certainly had never seen the bank before. Like many other places though, the modern angling scene, and social media has changed it all.

I personally donít know Nick very well, and our paths have crossed a fair few times but, I have mates that know him well, and have done so, for many years since he was quite young. By all accounts, he was the original punisher back then, and still is now? He finds many of his target fish through heavy research, and will interrogate people if need be to get his info. This methods seems to work well for him.
Regardless of all that, he is a very good angler though, and learned a fair bit early on from well known established carp anglers. He would, from what everybody that knows him told me, always have the welfare of any fish as priority, and is not catch at all costs. He would of caught and treated that fish in a safe and respectful manner.

What anybody thinks of him as a person, should not cloud their judgement on him as an angler.
Although I donít fish much myself now, I have my ear to the ground, and I was told by three different people, that the fish was caught twice, possibly three times after Nick had caught it. Why arenít these angler having the same treatment?

I personally donít think Nick should have outed the fish but, thatís how he makes a living, like a lot of other anglers. Once a fish is outed, we know what follows, Snake Pit, Colne Mere, The Cons, even Savay for example, were all outed at some point.
Thatís fishing, or is it?
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   Old Thread  #363 9 Jul 2019 at 7.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Precisely.
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   Old Thread  #362 9 Jul 2019 at 7.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nobody knows for sure how it died. Could have been natural / could have been pressure / could have been by otter / could have been hooked on a long line that seems to be popular way to catch fish these days!
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   Old Thread  #361 9 Jul 2019 at 7.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To make the backgrounds untraceable I have an idea. Why not have an enormous big banner draped across the swim with the anglers sponsors blazoned on it
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   Old Thread  #360 9 Jul 2019 at 7.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like the Jockey that died 24 hours later

Itís fishing, and thatís the joys of fishing for them, they die

Edit - I was thinking along the same lines myself Scaley it becomes a cut throat world and then you wonder why there is so much friction between anglers and nobody wants to talk anymore. Iíve seen it first hand several times. I stopped publishing pictures a long time ago for the said reasons. Fish for yourself
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   Old Thread  #359 9 Jul 2019 at 6.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Personally I think the issue is respecting the venue/regulars in this hobby.
Before, during and after your time on it, wherever it may be.

Nothing anybody says or does is going to bring it back. How long has it been since Nick caught it ?
Had it spawned since that capture, was it tethered for a period , or had a dodgy swim bladder infection ?
We will probably never know TBH.
The last captor of any sought after, now dead, fish is always under scrutiny from certain people, it's human nature, other people wanted to be the next lucky captor. And wonder what caused its demise?

Nick is Nick, and before anyone says otherwise I have met, and fished alongside him years ago, to make my own opinion of him.
He does catch them, yes.
Does he put lots of time and effort, yes he does..
Pick peoples brains for info on 'that fish' he wants to catch, course he does !

Personally I think the big problem with this whole current bounty hunter / sponsorship thing nowadays is the need or urge, to tell the whole f*cking world about it ASAP. Then move onto the next prize. Leaving cheesed off locals in their wake, fighting the crowds, Cannot blame them can you.

A certain nice, unknown big carp gets caught from 'somewhere' think the mere... Or that area of the Thames - pre linear, for example..

Someone's little bit of paradise, minimal people fishing it, those that do are tight lipped and trusted. The fish are growing... Sssshhh. Everything's sweet you know for a few years, only your trusted regulars know.

But a stray picture, article, insta fame, I mean gram, or video with too much background showing, fixed features of note, a casual chat and a loose tongue, friend tells a friend, then it is known to interested outsiders to start their digging for information.

Then the circus arrives, the dream is shattered. Swims and whole areas are stitched up. Your personal fishing pleasure - becomes pain.

You really do have to keep things to yourself, really you do.
Remember simply...Leave nothing but footprints, leave no litter, Take nothing but pictures, just don't publish them with traceable backgrounds. LOL.


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   Old Thread  #358 9 Jul 2019 at 5.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wonder if Terry Hearn would have got the blame if it had been him who caught it and put it on an ESP video.

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   Old Thread  #357 9 Jul 2019 at 4.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No - going after something just for the glory and going on a campaign for a single fish are two different things in my eyes.
Experienced anglers singling out a special fish and a lot of people that may not have even fished a river and then jumped on a bandwagon is an example of that.
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   Old Thread  #356 9 Jul 2019 at 3.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They do indeed , they also tend to have more time and bait to pile in .
There also not adverse to catch at any cost , not all , but plenty of them don't mind crossing the line .

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   Old Thread  #355 9 Jul 2019 at 1.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Imo the only difference between most anglers and the so called glory hunters is the glory hunters actually catch what they're after.
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Yep. I remember not all that long ago, people were inspired by such tales and adventures.
Because itís Nick, it has to be sinister.

I want to know what it heís done to get so much hate even before all this! Iíve never met the guy but he always comes across well in films and articles IMO
Heís the first person to admit heís in a much different position to many many others and he acknowledges that.
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   Old Thread  #353 9 Jul 2019 at 1.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice post.

Iím very opposed to the glory hunters....they have ruined my fishing on more than one occasion.

BUT

This fish would have died regardless of the publicity. It has either just died, or been ottered.....Nick did not release the otters!

To be honest, fair play to Nick for bringing this inspiring fish to our attention. She was a beauty and deserved the acclaim. She is now dead....the boats will move on. And we can all get back to normal.
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   Old Thread  #352 9 Jul 2019 at 1.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not really - just shows they got even more excited that it was 50lb. People have known where that fish is for years and that the stretch had potential for carp for even longer.
There was possibly a mutual respect for the regular anglers that fished it, but that went out the window once it went 50lb because people are obsessed with weights. The proper river anglers are obsessed with the river and itís challenges, weight is irrelevant to them.

Glory hunters descended but not because it became clearer where the fish was, but what weight it was.
I donít think you can blame a person like Nick for the huge amount of glory-hunters in the sport - his Angling exploits have been more about the thrill and the unknown regardless of fish size rather than promoting big fish glory-hunting.
He embarked on a new challenge of his own and fished various parts of the Thames well before targeting the biggun, and I can guarantee he knew where it was already. Unless he is a soothsayer that foresaw the fish being 50lb when it was so held off, I really donít see how you can have any hatred towards the guy. He was on his own little adventure which ended in that fishes capture, much to the annoyance of some green-eyed monsters, and attracted those who sought glory.

Donít hate the player, hate the game.
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   Old Thread  #351 9 Jul 2019 at 1.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is there any evidence of other carp in that stretch having been predated, or died from over use/badly prepared peanuts?
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   Old Thread  #350 9 Jul 2019 at 12.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same here
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   Old Thread  #349 9 Jul 2019 at 11.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Couldnít agree more
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I just find it all a bit petty blaming another angler for it's demise it wouldn't matter how much angling pressure it came under if an otter got to it first, and at the end of the day whoever was first to put a picture out there of the carp whether they are a well know angler or not in the world of social media you are opening the area or yourself up to the fact people are going to hunt a carp like that out no good moaning about it afterwards, horse and stable door springs to mind.
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   Old Thread  #347 9 Jul 2019 at 10.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The boom in anglers post-sticky video surely shows they didnít know?
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   Old Thread  #346 9 Jul 2019 at 10.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I live in Hertfordshire and I canít imagine the Ďdrovesí of anglers have travelled all that far to fish it, so did they really not know?
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   Old Thread  #345 9 Jul 2019 at 10.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's because you live in London no?
Bear in mind anglers exist outside of the capital lol.
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   Old Thread  #344 8 Jul 2019 at 11.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Iím amazed at the amount of people that Ďsupposedlyí never knew where the fish was until the Sticky video
Iíve known about that area possibly before KB publicised the fish and Iím not in anyway all that well connected in carp fishing. Certainly knew no one fishing the river at that time.
Was it really that unknown to people?

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   Old Thread  #343 8 Jul 2019 at 11.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That maybe true, but I found it in about 10 minutes on google maps just from the clues given in all the aerial shots in the sticky video.

And I'm sure I wouldn't have been the only one ...
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   Old Thread  #342 8 Jul 2019 at 10.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I will say, thereís a pub that features on the Sticky video that is extremely google-able. Confirmed all the rumours Iíd heard as to this particular stretch.
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   Old Thread  #341 8 Jul 2019 at 10.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My mate has been on that stretch for a number of years, often being the only carper there. Since NH had the fish and publicised it to death, the stretch has been busy, then when 16th June clicked over, it was rammed. KB did have his fish on social media, but he's not mainstream like NH, thus it was almost overlooked. Ive seen pics of all the boats out around the start of the season, it made Henley Regatta look like a quiet duck pond
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   Old Thread  #340 8 Jul 2019 at 9.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nope, always been well fished for the big barbel along there. It seems to have been busy since nick had it at 50 after a few years of being kept relatively quiet, well out the loop though, havenít fished the Thames properly for years now👎🏻
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   Old Thread  #339 8 Jul 2019 at 9.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've read it was proper rammed of late , has that always been the case Josh , well since KB put pictures up of it ?
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   Old Thread  #338 8 Jul 2019 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donít think KB publicised it but it was obvious what stretch he was on as heís so active on his page with fish shots, wouldnít take too long to look through his pics and work it out.
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Out of interest 🙄 and not knowing ,or ever wanting to know the stretch .
Was the stretch rammed after KB had/ publicized the fish or after NH publicized it ?
Apparently it's quite now .
I'll say it again , I find it a bit strong blaming NH for the death of this fish .
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   Old Thread  #336 8 Jul 2019 at 6.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nick used peanuts when he was fishing for it so I'm guessing people are jumping on the bandwagon of peanuts killed a fish for some reason.

NH has safely prepared more peanuts than KP, Nobbys Nuts, Big D & the other bar snack producers combined so it is reasonable to say that NH would not use any nut bait incorrectly prepared! The fish more likely died from a nut allergy than unprepared bait. Peanuts are not pepperami either & will not eat the fish from the inside out or cause the fishes liver, gills & other organs to liquefy & disappear before ending up in Otter spraint.

MY main suspect is none other than.......




































































































Sasquatch on his annual holiday
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   Old Thread  #335 8 Jul 2019 at 5.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bet that smelt lovely......

Does look ottered looking at that picture, the video is much harder to tell as itís quite blurry.......
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   Old Thread  #334 8 Jul 2019 at 5.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This. He comes across as a right tool when he was the one to bring it to the publics attention in the first place!
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   Old Thread  #333 8 Jul 2019 at 4.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The other side has the part where the face has been eaten as though an otter has got hold of it. This is clearly evident on the video.
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   Old Thread  #332 8 Jul 2019 at 3.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How the duck do you make it smaller 🤦‍♂️😂
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Typical bit behind the Gillís the otters eat isnít it?
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   Old Thread  #331 8 Jul 2019 at 3.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Probably for Taking the Thames record no doubt so he can no longer whore himself out on social media....
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   Old Thread  #330 8 Jul 2019 at 3.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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just sounds a bit vicious to me for no reason. KB first to publicise and everyone went chasing it, NH caught it and publicised and a few more went for it and then it died. KB says NH made it die due to publicising it, sponsorships, etc. All a bit ludicrous IMO. KB seems to have a bee in his bonnet about NH for some reason
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   Old Thread  #329 8 Jul 2019 at 3.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
My god the drivel over on social media is unreal......
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   Old Thread  #328 8 Jul 2019 at 3.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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sorry, I meant that NH publicises everything to continue with his sponsorship.
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which set off the chain of everyone wanting to catch it. Including Nick, so how is Nick to blame for everyone chasing it? KB is surely?
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This is what I hate about carp fishing, for years people moaned about the poor quality of tackle available etc and how few companies there were, now we have them because fishing became popular through it being publicised, and now we have that and people are moaning that someone has publicised a fish of a lifetime and then blaming him for its death through frankly slanderous statements itís pathetic
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   Old Thread  #325 8 Jul 2019 at 1.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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KB was not sponsored up to the hilt like NH was/is, therefore it is in his interest to publicise everything to the max.
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Katch Bullet was the first to publicise it a few years back wasnt he? Thats where most saw it and wanted to catch it. He's getting the blame from the person who first publicised it, for publicising it somehow?!

Nick is getting the blame for zero reason. dont see how apart from jealousy you can blame him?
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I don't mate. My mate was targeting that fish for years, and once the genie was out of the bottle due to NH's desire to see the fish publicised for sponsorship reasons, it was game over on that stretch, or any other nearby stretches.

If the fish had come from a syndicated lake, it would not have been a problem promoting the fish, but on the Thames, its a free for all and that brings problems by the boat load, as expected......
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Fair comment... I canít claim to know the back story surrounding him.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2439848789447213&id=100002663473242

See its all quite simple really.. Now let's just remember this great fish for what it was, and move on..
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Like the guy or not, the suggestion that he was using poorly prepared peanuts (or is somehow otherwise responsible for the fishís demise) is nothing short of ridiculous.

Carp fishing really is a sad state of affairs these days. A lot of people need to give their heads a wobble!
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It does seem a bit strong , pointing the finger at NH ,
rightly or wrongly , when you **** enough people off on your journey to stardom 🙄😂 said people will look for revenge anyway they can . Don't make it right , but what goes around ,,,,,
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   Old Thread  #318 8 Jul 2019 at 8.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ffs- got to feel for Nick, he must be fuming.
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Nick used peanuts when he was fishing for it so I'm guessing people are jumping on the bandwagon of peanuts killed a fish for some reason.
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Where did the peanut suggestion come from? I keep seeing it mentioned and canít track down why thatís being used as a possible.
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It's a 50lb fish, Spring has just come and gone big old fish have a tendency to go over this time of year maybe just maybe it died, It's a sad state of affairs when people are trying to apportion blame for it's demise, could of been hit by a prop on a boat, predated, stress who knows **** happens.
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It's definitely not clear from the pictures that it was ottered.
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My take on things, having seen the video of the fish dead in the water and the photograph with the chap and comments about the fish before it died is this.....The fish was ill/unwell for a few weeks prior to being found, whether the fish was unwell due to poor handling, spawning damage, poor peanut preparation who knows, but it was deffo seen struggling to swim. Whilst unwell, it was got by an otter, the video shows the face, tail and vital organ area ripped to shreds whilst in the water albeit dead. What a ****ing shame.
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   Old Thread  #312 8 Jul 2019 at 7.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just had a thought, itís a good thing marks in Brazil
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   Old Thread  #311 7 Jul 2019 at 10.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like him or not, Nick will know how to handle a fish, itís been a long time since he had it. It canít be related. The video is less clear than the pics I saw, Iíd say itís been offered.
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I think itís a sad state of affairs when Nick (as last captor) probably wants to push the otter thing just to try and get people off his back.

Of course, the capture was irrelevant in this fishes demise, regardless of how it met itís end.
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   Old Thread  #309 7 Jul 2019 at 10.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah just found it, bit of a nasty thread that. That fish is known because of katch bullet, then for him to post that
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   Old Thread  #308 7 Jul 2019 at 10.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers for the offer but I have just seen the pictures on Facebook. Carcass too far gone to draw any conclusions just from the photos,
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   Old Thread  #307 7 Jul 2019 at 9.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hard to be sure but looking at the video and pics Iíd say definitely ottered
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   Old Thread  #306 7 Jul 2019 at 9.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Video on Katch Bullets Facebook page - Nick himself posting in the comments.
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   Old Thread  #305 7 Jul 2019 at 9.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Seems like the post has been pulled as I canít find it now. If I do Iíll pm you for your number.
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I would be interested to see a picture, if possible.
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Tethered is a great shout tbh mate - especially considering it been reported that it was seen a little while back struggling to swim and stay upright.... (dragging line, lead and whatever itís picked up beneath it?)
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   Old Thread  #302 7 Jul 2019 at 8.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If it's face is damaged it may have been tethered - just a thought.
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On the picture I saw it had a big chunk out of it and itís face chewed or damaged
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   Old Thread  #300 7 Jul 2019 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Most definitely, wouldn't be the first big one had in summer
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   Old Thread  #299 7 Jul 2019 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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one took a huge 25lb pike near me last month, dragged it up the bank, it suprised me, sure that must be harder to catch than that 50 carp maybe?
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   Old Thread  #298 7 Jul 2019 at 4.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where are these pics?
Obviously havenít seen it yet but I definitely believe a otter could get a 50lb carp even at this time of year
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   Old Thread  #297 7 Jul 2019 at 2.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíve seen a pic. Itís been dead a good while.

Other big fish die and people say ďwhat a shame but nothing lasts foreverĒ yet just because this one has been caught recently by Nick Helleur then there has to be something sinister thatís occurred.

I find it hard to believe that itís been had by an otter at this time of year tbh, unless it had something wrong with it already and couldnít evade predators. Otters catch carp in the winter when theyíre dormant and low on power. There is no way an otter tackled a 50lb fighting for carp in the summer.
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   Old Thread  #296 7 Jul 2019 at 12.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Ive not seen the video and have no idea what happened to it, it was never a fish i was ever going to fish for but what a fish it was and such a loss
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   Old Thread  #295 7 Jul 2019 at 12.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíve seen the video of it and itís very hard to tell from that if itís been ottered or not. It had been dead a little while though by the looks of things. Gutting which ever way it went but it highlights how bad the problem is if theyíre not even safe on the Thames. Lake fish donít stand a chance!!
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People actually blaming Nick suggesting he had it out the water for too long, or that it died because so many people were chasing it
Iíve never heard anything so ridiculous in my life.

If itís been ottered then itís gutting and infuriating. But if itís just died like things do then Jesus Christ why does there have to be someone to blame
Pathetic
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   Old Thread  #293 7 Jul 2019 at 9.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair play, probably grabbed by a fox afterwards
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   Old Thread  #292 7 Jul 2019 at 9.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not seen the pics but a few guys that were there swearing it's a natural death.
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   Old Thread  #291 7 Jul 2019 at 9.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pics looked eaten I thought.
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I saw that. Blaming nick and others that fished for it. Not sure about that tbh. Not otters though by the sounds of it.
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   Old Thread  #289 7 Jul 2019 at 9.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Certainly hasnít when he spoke about nick in the comments
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   Old Thread  #288 7 Jul 2019 at 9.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mr bullet did not mince his words .
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   Old Thread  #287 6 Jul 2019 at 11.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where can I see the pics Josh?
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True, seen the pics floating around fb already.
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   Old Thread  #285 6 Jul 2019 at 11.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nick himself did on insta mate
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   Old Thread  #284 6 Jul 2019 at 10.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Rumour mill suggesting the Thames recordís been ottered. Can anyone confirm?
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Today, a smidgen over 20lb. Check out my daffs. Sprouting like a good un they are.

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Last week. Just a smidgen under 20lb.

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Poor Mooreha. He was a lovely man Poots. I was meant to be taking him Thames fishing when he was ill, but then sadly, he passed away. Was it Stew was another one wasn't he? He was a lovely man to, I met him at the Stoney things on Sandhurst. Shame mate.
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   Old Thread  #280 16 Feb 2019 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What a monster in 264!!
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   Old Thread  #279 16 Feb 2019 at 6.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah, me and Alex,Moorhead (Rip), mooreha on Cemtex met him in the Duke of Cornwall next to Hammy Odeon for a book sale. He bought a Bait runner B 4500 off me later but refused to stay for a drink.
Wise choice really. We got ****ered that night.
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   Old Thread  #278 16 Feb 2019 at 5.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Me and Gary, fishing for monster barbel.

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   Old Thread  #277 16 Feb 2019 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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25lb plus Pike are an immense creature in my eyes.

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25lb something mate. I cannot remember. That was without doubt the oldest one. Its head was incredible. A river 30+, is quite something. Sam caught the fish of a lifetime there.
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   Old Thread  #275 16 Feb 2019 at 5.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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30lb Non trout water Pike are getting rarely than rocking horse poo nowadays.

How big is your pike Mark in that Video, post 274 ?

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   Old Thread  #274 16 Feb 2019 at 5.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It weighed 32lb8oz mate. It probably weighed 32lb9oz, but we were excited and called it that. It was, the single most impressive coarse fish that I have ever seen. You could fit most of your leg down its gullet. A proper serpent. It's two big teeth top and bottom, would have touched in the middle through your forearm nigh on. Definitely a duck eater, they are eating the same ducks, right now today.

That was Sam Meewissen that caught the big pike. Gary Peet is holding the diseased one. 'Pest controller' catches the smaller mutants every time, it's a standing joke. Both have fished Chew, Gary a lot more than Sam I think. Gary loves Chew I think, but he is determined to get a Thames monster now. I wind him up and tell him they are 'proper' ones from the river.

He owns the Tackle Box in Dartford, with his brother Kevin, you might know him from in there. Next time you see him, say "Mark' said to call him pest controller... Be prepared to stand there and wipe away his tears for ten minutes after wards though.

Check out my scared eyes... . This one had clearly been much bigger than 25lb, it had a massive head, barely any teeth, and was blind in one eye. We all thought this one had probably been a bit bigger in the past to. There is a young 27/28, that is growing fast. I took an old trace out of it, it has put on 2lb since quite quickly. That one will do 30+, it's bigger in frame than Sam's fish. I think I've had it twice now, but not for a while.

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   Old Thread  #273 16 Feb 2019 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Proper warrior what did it weigh?? and does Gary Peet fish Chew as sure I've been in his company somewhere as he looks familiar?
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A better look at the Thames eye parasite, which I spoke about earlier. This fishes eye is in the earlier stages, of what 'the Eye' from Sonning had. It's starting to pop from the socket. The other side is fine. It's eye is going to blow out, from the middle at some point in the future, a parasite is eating away at it. The long scaly one in the video two posts back (270), this is the carrier, and spreader, unquestionably. It has passed it onto bream, lots of carp to. She's a 'mover' to, which is not good. The eye explodes, the other side of that scaly one, is horrific, as bad as 'the Eye' was, or worse.

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   Old Thread  #269 16 Feb 2019 at 12.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Peter. They, are/were very special fish indeed. Carp that time had forgot a bit. Pukka ones, and extra special to me, as ex Thames fish. Loads that I cannot say on here, but the carp world is in for some big surprises over the next few years. Massively so. There are a lot of big carp in this country, that no sausage knows about. Like the very most proper ones, that you could ever imagine. Everyone moans that 'it' is dying, it's them that is dying. They just do not know their onions, not really. There is a whole raft of anglers, who do not want everyone else to know what they are doing in this country. Just because anglers do not know about these blokes, does not mean that they are not there. They are. The fish are there to. They just do not have names, or appear in Carpworld or Big Carp, Faceache or Insta.
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   Old Thread  #268 16 Feb 2019 at 8.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That fully is a amazing 👌
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The ex Thames fish from earlier.

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And her sister with a friend. This one died a few years ago.

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Two of the nicest men, you could ever meet Poots, honestly. You would remember them both well I imagine. Guy is a very well respected Thames carp angler, he's been fighting a battle, to get the close season abolished on rivers for quite a few years.

Sam is the most lovely man, he does not have a bad bone in his body. He is a top angler, all species. It was him who told me to pre bait for the big girls. He was right, he maybe a spawny git, but her deserved that monster, I was so glad he caught it. It was the third biggest pike, ever caught from the river Thames, we were told. He's a life long piker, I'm a carper, who used to pike fish a long time ago. But his advice, helped catch all those pike really I think. Sam has caught some proper carp to. Him and his dad, stocked Mary and the rest into Wraysbury, when he was a nipper. Sam is a ledge, and a good mate. But yes, he does love a conspiracy
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Guy B and conspiracy S? Only met one of them.
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Yesterday river Thames, Gary Peet and me. Horrible virus on Gary's fish.

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Thinking about it, most of my better Thames captures have been at or near the mouth of another river🤔

Hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm

Might have to go underground for a bit
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   Old Thread  #260 10 Feb 2019 at 7.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't think I would either.
I don't go back because of the smell


Some nicer stretches in Merton and Wandsworth to catch a wandle carp on your way to or from work,

Still wouldn't call them nice places to fish
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Nice to see you talking local, I did a few nights on the wandle opening next to the tip, at low tide you could see the sand bank in between the boulders a rod length off the point, had three off it one night. My mate was down there and saw someone hit in the head with the axe just before the flats further along towards the park. We never went back after that.
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I lost it a couple of weeks later, fishing a spot with nowhere to secure it, I very nearly did a Mary Poppins into the river when some security gates I was using as a windbreak opened
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   Old Thread  #257 9 Feb 2019 at 12.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or an Urban Banxy.... Complete with a sawn-off?
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Could be a Banksy......Iíd get that Brolly on eBay mate.
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Your right about the colours, that was the main reason I classed those Wandsworth carp as wandle fish.

A few years back I spent the close season baiting an area, which isn't a usual thing for me to do, but having seen no sign of carp, but feeling they must be there, I instead found an area I thought had potential, a raised area just below the low tide line with deep gullys immediately up and downstream.
My thinking was if I keep baiting the hump, some bait would settle in the gullys whichever way the river was pushing
I used a broad mix of bait, lots of particles, pellets and powders hoping to send the food signal far and wide, with some boilies, some of which were standard, some were home made with the same base and attractor mix, but with an added ingredient to make them denser, and squashed rather than rolled on the table, pillows I called them.

After a week or so I noticed a lot more cormorants in the area, telling me shoals of smaller species were about, a good sign I thought.
Once June 16 came I was pretty confident, but the first night was spent shaking bream off my hooks. And the second. And the third.
I slashed the amount of pellet, upped the size of the boilies and added some tigers to the mix. Having never used tigers before I was buying prepared tigers, and looking back now probably too few to really help me. The crabs seemed to like them too
It was around this time I started reading some magazines, which was probably up there with the biggest angling mistakes I've made, seeing people like Steve reynard turn up at a lake for a weekend and catch 3 30s and a 40, seeing a lad I went to college with in carptalk every week with another 40 from welly. People fishing in beautiful surroundings catching monsters while I'm fishing amongst hobos and druggys for fish that could be miles away. Waking up from a rew precious minutes of sleep to shake a bream off and finding my brolly is covered in graffiti.
After visiting a few lakes, catching fish that were easy to find, and being able to actually sleep, not just closing your eyes but remaining relatively alert, real sleep that meant even if I had a couple of fish, I could still work the next day my interest in the river as a target venue disappeared. But it keeps coming back, especially when I'm working overlooking it. Ive caught a lot of London carp but the ambition to catch a proper London Thames carp is a challenge that upto now, I can talk myself of easily, but can never quite right it off.

Good luck on the next challenge mark
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"I have to ask Mark, what the furthest East you have targeted the river? I've half heartedly fished the Thames over the years when I've been between venues, and have had a few carp between Kingston and Kew, Kew being the furthest east I've caught, despite many many hours spent searching baiting fishing between mortlake and putney. I have actually caught a couple by the mouth of the wandle, but I class them as wandle fish as I'd caught them previously around the earlsfield area.

I've been after a photo for a few years now with craven cottage as a backdrop, but after years working nearby and spending a lot of time searching, I had written it off as a fools errand, reading this thread has woken something that should probably stay dormant."

Why should it stay dormant? You should have done it years ago Duggs, you would have achieved your goal if you had done it well. Go do it well, you will get your photo, trust me. Richmond, Kew... Of course there is carp. They go further down than that to. It maybe harder, but the rewards would be unknown pretty much. Well to the masses anyway.

I tend to fish from the lower up mate, and always have. Fished the semi a bit. But to me, the same carp, are nicer from the lower up. They are a bit pale and washed out by the brackish water I've always thought further down. But they are there, trust me I know.

Go do it and send me the photo when you do. Show me that photo, I'll never show a sole.
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A great tip for you then. Brazil nuts, as a hook bait... For whatever reason... They are better when the bag has been opened, and you would not eat them anymore anyway. They work better like this, when they have sat for a while. The nut draws its goodness in, then explodes it when put into water.

Get a bag now, open it, and put it away in a drawer. By summer when you need them, they will be perfect. You will not want to eat them either.

Anything that is hard for them to deal with inside their mouth is a winner mate. Neutral buoyancy like you mention helps a bit to.
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This thread is a good example of thread developing and deviating in a positive way, not sure I can say the same after reading the other river thread

I have to ask Mark, what the furthest East you have targeted the river? I've half heartedly fished the Thames over the years when I've been between venues, and have had a few carp between Kingston and Kew, Kew being the furthest east I've caught, despite many many hours spent searching baiting fishing between mortlake and putney. I have actually caught a couple by the mouth of the wandle, but I class them as wandle fish as I'd caught them previously around the earlsfield area.

I've been after a photo for a few years now with craven cottage as a backdrop, but after years working nearby and spending a lot of time searching, I had written it off as a fools errand, reading this thread has woken something that should probably stay dormant
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When a thread deviates, it is conversation. It's a good thing, not a bad thing IMO.

Agreed.
IMO a forum is more than just people extracting info from other people. Yes that is a large part of it but a forum is MORE than that
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Just do not let any sausage see them. I've not actually used one for years now... I'm off to buy a small bag today though
Easier to get away with having them in the bivvy nowadays with all these health freaks saying eat nuts

Almonds are another winner weird shape again as you said ref brazils mark, flutter about and sit lightly on the bottom.

I tend to eat most of the brazils and almonds myself thou, same with tigers
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Brilliant mate. It's not bragging. You're recounting a story of you catching a big fish.... On a fishing forum. If that is bragging, we are all doomed and we might as well all give up now! We do go fishing to actually catch them in the first place. I really enjoyed reading it. When a thread deviates, it is conversation. It's a good thing, not a bad thing IMO.

Brazil nuts are my favourite nut hook bait to probably. I've never ever put a single one out into a lake ever as a free bait... Only as a hook bait. I do not cook them, I just shave them up to release some natural oils.

They are the best hook bait to use... On a heavily boillie fished lake. When everyone has forgot again. Just do not let any sausage see them. I've not actually used one for years now... I'm off to buy a small bag today though.

Cut them at one end. Fish them with a flat side facing up, thin end near the hook. When they try to blow it out, it does not fly straight. With flat sided baits, you hook a lot more fish. They can't deal with it as easily as a round ball. Mid summer, when all is dead... Lethal.
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An interesting, unusual bait the old Brazilís....or Alanís as we used to call them.

I remember about 20 years ago going to Hinders and ordering a big sack of them, mainly crushed ones. I tried them a few times, as freebies and hookbaits and caught very little.

I then fished another water. I have mentioned this tale before. This lake contained one carp and a few tench. The lake was small, only about two acres, and was totally unfished. Rock hard....but the carp, a common, was huge.

I tried a few methods but decided on a different plan of attack one day. I put a whole 25kg sack of trout pellets on one marginal spot, made a camo screen and left it.

I couldnít resist popping back the next evening for a look and the common was on the spot, feeding on pellets. There was perhaps half of the bait remaining but the vast majority was gone. My gear used to live in the car and I cobbled together a rod and crept back to the spot. The only problem was that I had no bait! After rustling around in the rucksack I found a single, lonely half Alan which I put on the hair and crept back to the spot. I hid behind the screen and gently lowered the nut behind the feeding common.

What happened next will live with me forever. The fish slowly turned, spotted the milky white nut and whooommff...it sucked it in. All of that pellet but she could not resist that fantastic nut. She was soon mine, a huge fish, probably a county record,

A lesson was learned that day which has stood me in good stead. Brazilís are one of the best hookbaits which I have used but they always seem to work best, for me at least, as a single. Anyway, sorry to deviate from the Thames thread, but I just fancied bragging
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A positive out of a negative ( dropping the mobile and finding a great spot )

I witnessed 3 good anglers ( under the radar ) give them the first good helping of Brazilís, they got nearly a whole season out of it, flat calm lake some evenings, bubbling up, mentally frothing up, just over these guy/s spots, they really wanted them, before word got out, they let me in on it, at the end of the season. By that time they had caught pretty much everything once or twice between them.
I never stayed in their swim when they baited up or cast out, or when they landed fish out of respect, unless asked ( these were unhooked in the net, bait pulled off of hair ) .

Can see you in the ever changing environment of the River Thames, that you have to adapt, and quickly, when angling pressure moves the fish elsewhere, flooding makes some normal spots unfishable, and the calmer backwaters become viable.
Almost like a 9 month game of chess, between Mother Nature and other anglers !

I imagine that the moon phases play a part on the river, especially the tidal and semi tidal stretches.

And as for your massive pike and Barbel captures from the Thames as well

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Good angling Mark
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I found it by accident. I was talking to someone on my mobile, while setting up the elastic band LOL. I had the phone wedged between shoulder and ear. The brown fish cleared the water in front of me, and made me jump out of my skin it was so close. I dropped the phone. I could see it still lit up on the bottom. As I tried to get it in three foot of murky water, it disappeared under the bank. That undercut was monster. Loads of big carp could sit in there, and did.

Awesome mate
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Thank you mate. Great times Darren. I remember you, I did the moment you pm'd me your name. You was honestly one of the nicest blokes I met over there. I cannot remember who was in the DE and left that day. I always would have loved to have thanked him to. I spoke to him, but was in such a tizz about fishing, I cannot even remember who it was. That rig was lethal, the most deadly thing that you can get. A true self hooking rig. Yes all and sundry including myself, had done it with clips so many times previously. But that was a different beast entirely. With that elastic band under tension, and tension on the rod tip... Tied the right way, the line going to down to the edge was dead slack. As soon as the lead was moved, the knot on the elastic band would turn, and very little pressure, would snap it very easily. A roach could do it. TWANG. No getting away with it anymore. I was casting bare leads through tree fronds above the small pads. Then going around, clearing any line up, then manoeuvring my mainline along under the tree... Tying the rig on, and tying up the elastic band. This had to be done properly, so the tension could be wound into it, without breaking the elastic.

But they still did get away with it mate. What really caught those fish, was understanding how much that they actually 'got away' with it. Not just that elastic band rig. I had to little and often bait it. I would sneak around, twenty times a day... Two big handfuls of bait. Sometimes I would creep around, and the slack line going to the undercut, would be tight, and pointing out into the lake. They still got away with it. Even with the most efficient rig, carp fishing has probably ever seen. They still done it over. So turning up at 4am, putting rods out, with 50 baits scattered around... Then sitting back for the day... Not a lot of chance in reality. Those 50 baits were gone in ten minutes, and their rig had been 'done' three times. Game over for the day. I could reposition rods with a landing net pole. Without dismantling the elastic band. When I went to bait up, the rig was slipped out and checked whilst I baited. I was using 5-10kg of bait a day, stashed in the van. All in bits, or at the end of the day. No one knew what I was actually doing really. They loved a brazil nut to...

No one knew that undercut was even there. It was formed by the root system of the big tree that over hangs the main pads. I found it by accident. I was talking to someone on my mobile, while setting up the elastic band LOL. I had the phone wedged between shoulder and ear. The brown fish cleared the water in front of me, and made me jump out of my skin it was so close. I dropped the phone. I could see it still lit up on the bottom. As I tried to get it in three foot of murky water, it disappeared under the bank. That undercut was monster. Loads of big carp could sit in there, and did. It was the 'kings' of the lakes little safe home. It was the best spot on the entire lake, and had never been fished at a guess. On a very, very busy little acre lake to. It was a licence to print big carp, for a very short little period of time for me. Devastating. I have not even used it ever since, apart from that first time at Sutton, and the Railway when it had no fish left in it hardly. No where else I've ever fished warranted it since. Kent carp was the last fish I caught using it. That was quite a long time ago now to.

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   Old Thread  #242 6 Feb 2019 at 11.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Please don't mention bait, you'll attract flies and dung beetles.
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I wasn't fishing in the dead end mate, but was walking round, clocking what was happening, like you do.
Still have great memories of that time, the ( standout anglers ) the people, the fish.

It was simply great angling by you, seen a few things over the years, that you know will muller them.
Trouble is the green eyed monster appears, and then things get banned, don't they

I knew the potential of what you was doing, if the fish were in there, and didn't get spooked out of that end by bank noise and cast alots.

I clocked what you was doing, but I prefer to leave people to 'do their thing in peace' rather than hang around like a bad smell and grill/eyeball everything you do.

I had a 27lb common from that same margin shelf, from the far bank dropping them off the tips, and being very .

You certainly wasn't 'suffering' on there.
You fell into a category of an innovator & thinker back then, I was right, as look what you have caught elsewhere since, and start up a hookbait company .

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What an excellent atmospheric shot !

Your mate did very well to avoid any camera shake, I would have been buzzing, watching that along the margins.

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"And those pike too!! Just beautiful."

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You are right mate, and he should do it. I would buy it in a heat beat. Everyone would.

You're right, books are dying.
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Johnson's Railway Darren. Same elastic band rig. I did not take this photograph. It was taken on my camera, by a friend whom I had sent round to see a famous old 'Kent carp' in the edge, whilst popping in to see me. He took this wicked photograph of 'Kent Carp' on my camera. It got caught ten minutes later.

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Thank you Darren. You was definitely one of the good guys. I remember meeting you, and you shaking my hand. Most did to be fair mate. It was not you in the Dead End that first day was it? My memory is terrible.

In the Dead End where I met you Darren, Sutton 2. Elastic band rigs in the under cut just along from the pads, and one in the corner. Peach common was caught ten minutes after this photograph was taken from the under cut. It's a scan of a print.

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edit: found info on Cemex re. Eton-Wick
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As Josh said, loads Nick. That's a very famous area of the river Thames fishing wise.
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   Old Thread  #227 3 Feb 2019 at 6.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The big fully Not a Thames fish

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Yes Mark, we need Steve to write a book. Arguably our greatest carp angler and a fantastic writer.

He should do it whilst people still give a damn. Give it 10 years and there will be no carping books being published and no mystery left....due to otters. It would give us purists a proper boost during these transient times.
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Thatís a stunning fish.
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Loads
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cracking thread with some cracking pics

I used to swim in the Thames back in the day around the Laleham area... family had a seasonal tent pitched over the road from the river.... I was only about 10yrs old - looking back at the pictures - looked very Carpy...

much out from that area?
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"TCarper, have you ever thought about writing a book?"

I have had some practice already Pizza. But it did not leave the best taste. I have been asked, a couple of times by serious people to write a book. It's flattering. One day maybe, but not yet. I need to mellow in older age first, it would be 18 rated if I wrote one right now. My true friends, always joke that I should write a "What happens when your little thing, catches everything, and you pop your head up above the parapet, while still trying to fish the proper lakes" book. It would be quite revealing that would. Sod photo's or stories of big carp. That's what the 'people' really want. 'Eastenders', that's what my mate says anyway. If I did ever write a book... I would want to ensure that there was enough photographs, and golden stuff to ensure a great read. I'm only forty five.

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I've had a couple of 8lb+ chub mate, that I have dragged in on carp gear. I don't count them on carp gear. Hence mat shot of this one. I did weigh this one... 7lb10oz. That was mid summer weight, it was empty. That is a monster chub in the winter.

A few years ago, it was lashing down one night. I had a chub at about 2am, I got drenched. It was massive, 8lb+ easily. I got back into bed shivering after putting the rod back out. At around 4am I had another chub, it was still pouring. This thing was monstrous, far bigger than the previous one. To my eternal shame, I did not even weigh it. I had the ump. I was fishing for the Thames record carp, not a British record chub on 3.5lb rods and 20lb mono. I was soaking wet, I'd had enough if I'm honest that night, I just wanted to sleep. I'd had a brace of carp the night before, you get no sleep in the day on the river if on the tow path.

That chub was stupidly big, and is one of the most silly things I've ever done while fishing, unhooking it in the edge and letting it go. I could not even get my hand around the back of its head to unhook it. It was far to thick, more like a carp thickness. I had to beach it. I was half asleep, and thinking of carp, not chub. I would have claimed no records on carp gear, but I should have weighed it and photographed it.

This one was tiny in comparison. That's a near four foot carp mat that it is laying on. And it's empty this one.

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When I seriously fished for barbel in the late 70s I think the record was around a lowish double & the Avon royalty was the king of venues. I however fished the kennet in & around the reading area for barbel & chub and caught several 5lb + chub and a stonking 8lb 2oz barbel on a homemade paste bait. Great days and I never ever considered the Thames & never expected barbel to one day go through the 20lb barrier. Itís just mind blowing really.
And those pike too!! Just beautiful.
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Thanks mate. That last post about the barbel... Weeeeeeeeeeee. I bet that post has been reproduced in pm's on secret barbel groups and forums everywhere. They are worse than us carpers. They will all think I caught that on 3lb carp rods. It was landed with the river in full spate, on a Darent Valley 1.25lb Avon Quiver and tiny Drennan FD 4000 match reel.

British record barbel????

Trouble is, it's not easy at all. Unless you know the river. The really big ones, often you will have just two or three fish, in a five mile stretch. I know one stretch that contains just two barbel. Apart from flood, the barbel do not go through locks like the carp do. They do not have that inquisitive nature like a carp to investigate new ground. The Thames will smash the British barbel record out of sight over the next few years. And show what a barbel is capable of in the UK.

Watch.
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   Old Thread  #218 3 Feb 2019 at 10.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mark i have not read anything as interesting in a long time,thanks for sharing , wonderful photos,
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The barbel are quite something to from the Thames. They are getting big now, very big indeed as the world is finding out. Everyone knows it done two 20's this year from the press, the same fish. This one below, had not been caught for some five years or more when I had it, I was told. That was two years ago now, 18lb. It's been out at 20lb+ this fish, last year. There's also another one elsewhere, which has done over the British record, I was reliably told. The Thames, is king of UK rivers, beyond question. It's not just the carp either. Little pockets of it are fished. So much of it, is not.

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   Old Thread  #216 2 Feb 2019 at 10.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Look at the scales on the belly, going from anal fin right up to under the chin.

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Sam's 32lb8oz Thames pike. Even the pike are 'different'. They are nothing like trout ressie fish, or even pike from other rivers in the main. This side was never shown much. If you look up on it's back, there is a great big pike bite mark. It's a very big pike bite on a high res photograph. What grabs hold of a 32lb+ female? I was shown a video on a phone by a landowner, it was in summer. Him and his missus fed the swans and ducks in their back garden. All summer they would have an air riffle, to shoot at the monster pike, which ate their baby ducks. He showed me this video, and proclaimed "that's a British record isn't it.". It was a video of two adult swans and a signet. In the video the swans are being fed, and this pike come up for a look at the cygnet. The parents go mental, and the pike turns and bolts off. The water is crystal clear, and the pike is very clearly 40lb+. I told him it's not a British record, but it's by far the biggest river pike I've ever seen, or anyone else I guess. It was clearly not this fish which my friend went on to catch with the up turned jaw. I think it was the one in the video, that grabbed this 32lb fish, getting territorial near spawning time. Something big had clearly grabbed it. This fish crapped out a whole male tufty on the bank. You could clearly see the black and white, and I had watched the tufty's get very jittery the previous week. Their numbers visibly started dwindling to.

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The big Thames pike we have caught, all have the most monstrous heads. Massively so. They are clearly old fish. This one is blind in the showing eye, and was near toothless. Sam's fish was missing lot's of teeth to. The day I caught this one, my friend Ricci was with me. He's a pike guru like Sam. Just before I had this fish, he lost an upper 20 in front of us which shook the hooks. Just after I had it, he lost an absolute monster that we did not see. He just could not stop it. He's had very big pike from Chew. I think he may have lost the real monster that day. I've never told him that, it would kill him. I hope he don't read this, we're fishing soon. I call him 'Ricci rubber ooks' these days. We should have had the photograph of all photographs that day. I had this 25lb+ in the net waiting. They were playing territorial games the big females, with the pre baiting I was doing. (Sam's great idea). The baiting was being done for the fish in the video I saw.

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   Old Thread  #215 2 Feb 2019 at 2.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #213 2 Feb 2019 at 11.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I lived in Barbel Close mate, behind the Microsoft Technology park, David Lloyd end. For thirteen months. Everyday I walked my dogs through the park, to walk along my beloved river. The location was chosen, to be right next to the river Thames. And that road name was just a bit cool to me to.

I loved reading your post, and lots of others on this thread to. Thank you to everyone else for the kind words to. It's very much appreciated. It's been a long time Strawberry and Scar. I remember you both of course. I hope you're both well.

These two photographs below, are of a very old school angler, who you will find a photograph of, in A Merry Olde Dance. You will not find many other photo's of him, but he has caught some serious fish. These two fish below, are from a pit. Please anyone that knows, don't mention it. It's not been mentioned on this thread. They lived in another pit as well, flooded. I knew the moment that I saw these two fish caught by one of my customers, that they were both very 'classic' Thames fish. They have that stamp all over them. The more sparsely scaled one... The randomness of the scaling, it's a very classic river Thames fish. The other, well, it's just Thames. These are not stolen fish, they are flooded fish. As a life long Thames angler, I can see very clearly where they were spawned. Straight away. To most, these two fish are just lovely big scaly's. To me, they have a little something 'extra'.

The river Thames is the nuts, it always has been, and it always will be. Said it before on this thread, the river is the Donald Leney of our times. It just has to be done naturally. If man gets involved moving them elsewhere, they all die. In 2007, mother nature introduced the fisher pond type strain into the rivers gene pool. Most of them died. The rest were survivors, picked by nature, because they could survive in a pretty harsh environment. Some of them have got very big. In twenty years, there will be Thames 'super fish'. A mix of these old scaly, and fisher ponds. They will get very big. They will be very nice looking, and will be very sort after for the next generation of carpers. Mother nature will have done that. Not man. Man messes it up most of the time.

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   Old Thread  #212 2 Feb 2019 at 10.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Must be a great buzz fishing the Thames
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   Old Thread  #211 1 Feb 2019 at 10.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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TCarper hope all well mate, have missed your ďtipsĒ on the Cemex Forum.
Hope allís good and youíre pulling them out!
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   Old Thread  #210 1 Feb 2019 at 12.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice to see you active on a forum again Mark, I remember the interesting times on Cemex Forum (RIP) , especially any bait related posts.

I have belonged to this and many other forums in the past however, here on the so called " Kiddy Forum " I have found the most friendliest bunch over the years and it is proving to be one of the longest ones to still survive FB etc.

Your posts have been most refreshing on this thread and I hope it helps to revive this forum and keep it as the best .

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   Old Thread  #209 31 Jan 2019 at 0.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Look forward to watching that
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   Old Thread  #208 30 Jan 2019 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Donít know if itís been covered in the thread but apparently sticky baits reflections volume 2 has a part where nick catches it or itís at least featured
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   Old Thread  #207 29 Jan 2019 at 10.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Great thread ,stunning fish! Worthy of a book definitely!
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   Old Thread  #206 29 Jan 2019 at 6.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Echo that.

TCarper, have you ever thought about writing a book?
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   Old Thread  #205 28 Jan 2019 at 9.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The best thread i have seen in many years .... well done to all contributers and reminds me what forums used to be like
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   Old Thread  #204 28 Jan 2019 at 1.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A very interesting read, and takes me back to my time fishing at Deans Farm and Sonning Eye '85 - '90.

As has been mentioned, the fish in Sonning Eye came from the river via flooding. The part of the Thames that passes Sonning Eye and Deans Farm (or the abomination that they have now become) held carp for a long time before my arrival, primarily due to the warm water outflow from the Earley Power Station across the river, now the site of the Microsoft Technology Park.

When I moved to Caversham in 85, I contacted the Carp Society and asked about local waters. I told them I had no transport, so they mentioned the two above as being the closest, They were indeed - walking distance. They said Deans Farm held 30lb fish, but no one knew what was in Sonning Eye.

I was made as welcome as a turd on a bowling green on Deans Farm, so after a few visits, I went next door. I only managed to catch some of the smaller residents in Sonning Eye - most of the fish in there were doubles, but certainly saw the larger fish present. The one that stood out the most was the fish that became know as The Eye, for obvious reasons. However it was not the largest - the close season in '86 revealed at least 3 others that were an order of magnitude larger. At that time we thought The Eye would have been about 30lbs, subsequently proved to be about right when Pete Springate caught it 4 years later at 35lbs+. Never saw the big ones again, but will never forget those fish. It was them that kept me fishing the place. Only a new mortgage stopped me in '90.

Hats off to the pioneers on the Thames, and other rivers. Wish I had the time

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   Old Thread  #203 27 Jan 2019 at 9.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah, it can be a minefield. I'm not getting over involved, just watching, maybe learning, so be it. Good to read about your ur experiences, it's tangible, if you see what I mean.
Nice one mate, keep it up.
Ps:WTF is it with this format, its prehistoric. Is that down to a lack of finance? I'll chip in.
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Oh wow, you've cheered me right up today! Long time! I really hope that you are well mate.

Don't get banned. Please don't get banned. Be good

If Jordan Realtree signed up now, my evening would just be complete. We need a poem, about Thames carp, and anything carpy related. I'm told he bags up big style on Faceache and Insta. Millennial's cannot deal with someone of Jordan's expertise. He will rap a poem at their ass.
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   Old Thread  #201 27 Jan 2019 at 5.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yo Mark, long time out of the fold mate, great thread this. Those fish....... 😃
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Poots is back!! First Apples, now Poots. It's been a long time all. I do hope that you are all well.
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   Old Thread  #199 27 Jan 2019 at 4.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Stunning photos brings back memories of fishing the Thames when i was at school although not for carp.
Jump on a 37 bus at Brixton to Richmond for Roach and Dace. Also fished Old Windsor and Runnymede.
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I've enjoyed reading this thread as an outsider, to the extent I registered on the forum. I've had a handful of sessions on old father having lived Richmond way once upon a time.
All captures need to be earned IMO, there are all manner of mysteries swimming in the depths. Seek and ye shall find.
Eventually.
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   Old Thread  #197 27 Jan 2019 at 11.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree that forums really are the place to be, some wonderful advice on here and at times heated discussions. Mods need to be on the ball sometimes as with Faceache you get trolls, wind up merchants and just pure ****s. Forums are the way to have opposite opinions, just need to respect what you necessarily don't agree with. Some great pics and stories about the Thames, enjoyed your travels and thoughts.
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Thank you mate. I can't believe I remember you from Sutton.That was a long time ago now. A lot of these Thames photographs, are long before then. I have stacks of prints from back then, a carrier bag full that have never been scanned.

The reason Faceache got so popular with anglers, was because that's what was happening in the world. But a tiny little bit, good anglers could not wait to get away from forums. So many people with usernames, just on a wind up. It's to easy to do. Because of Faceache technology, they cannot just remake usernames so easily. And you need to be a real person, so you can't easily make a snidey little profile to go fishing on the internet. The PC world outside fishing sees that as bullying, so Faceache bosh them. I could just as easily do this on a Faceache business page that is watched by a hell of a lot of anglers. Where I get to be overlord to. I get to ban who I want, block who I want. I get control. That does not happen here, it's very different. Yet I'm still here, some would much rather that I am not though, away from this thread. Just ask yourself really why that would be. It's not anything about the good of this forum anyway, whatever it is, is it?

Forums need to learn this. It does not just happen in fishing, it happens in all walks of life. Golf gets the same thing with forums, hiking, horse racing, everything does. That's what kills forums. Nothing else.

Everyone can sit there and moan about it, or we can do something about it.
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   Old Thread  #195 27 Jan 2019 at 10.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Stunning fish Mark. Thatís what Thames fishing is all about.
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   Old Thread  #194 27 Jan 2019 at 1.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No mate, the Rudd are though
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   Old Thread  #193 27 Jan 2019 at 1.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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wow.....are those paddle boats still there....?....
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   Old Thread  #192 27 Jan 2019 at 1.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was definitely a carp mate, Iíve had them to 27lb in ravensbury Park
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Years ago,and I mean decades back I was walking through this park nr my parents home,a place called Poulters park,near where Chelsea used to train,Peter Osgood etc....years ago..

I swear I seen a carp in the Wandle in amongst the weed it was ,told my Dad and he just laughed at me...


haunts me til this day that does and the big Rudd in the watermeadsÖ

then I left ,never to return Ö..
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   Old Thread  #190 27 Jan 2019 at 0.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pictures tell a thousand words. Makes you want to get the rods out, and enjoy the outdoors.

Well said, this forum is full of great people.
Today's Web Technology is a great tool, but only as good as the information inputted by people that is interesting, factual or thought provoking. The negative stuff just brings a great post down

As you know - The modern carping world can be quite fickle, but only if you let it.

This thread is great, long may people keep it going.

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   Old Thread  #189 26 Jan 2019 at 11.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thank you both, it's very much appreciated. People moan that forums are dead, and Faceache has killed them.

Well it's up to the members, to draw people back isn't it. No one can talk much on Faceache it all ends up as secret groups, and who wants to see what Joey had for dinner? Not me. Insta is just photo's. I hope these photo's help to do that for this forum a tiny bit. Photo's is one thing I have absolutely tonnes of.

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   Old Thread  #188 26 Jan 2019 at 11.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. Your pictures are stunning, I love the one of the swirl under the rods, very atmospheric and the fish are real old warriors.

I have an old fishing friend who sadly doesn't fish any more but used to carp fish the Thames, I guess 40 years ago. He told me the story of the first carp he hooked from the Thames on bread flake from a boat in the winter, he lost that one but went on to catch a few over the years. He also caught a 14lb mirror from Wraysbury, again probably 40+ years ago, I wonder what fish that was?

Thanks for posting and congratulations on some stunning captures.
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If they know some one is doing a bit of work, they will do their own work. We all leave each other alone.

This statement is gospel to me.
When angler fish the same environment, lake, river, or whichever, the respect between each other is paramount. In the lake I fish regularly if I know someone is prebaiting a place or he's catching in a swim, for no one reason I'll fish in that swim. The same if I prebait/fish a swim, i'm not happy to find an angler which know I'm fishing there, settled in that swim.

Few years ago I've got a good autumn/winter in a swim very rarely fished by others, I told it only to another mate that fish there, one year later, the first time I've got in the swim I found an angler fishing there. I don't told him what I caught the past year there, then we chatted about the lake and he told to me about the swim he was fishing that it was a good winter swim lol. For a couple of year there were always angler in the swim in autumn/winter. For those reasons very rarely I tell to other anglers the carp I catch, and when I tell often is the year later the very day and more than often when I was blanking for some time. Even the swim where I caught it often isn't axactly where I tell to others. I know I'm a compulsive liar in carp angling but in this way the carps I've got are increase and I'm more free to fish where I want. We learn by mistakes how do it right.



Stunning carps in the pics

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   Old Thread  #186 26 Jan 2019 at 9.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm not suprised
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Thanks, I'm more used to getting digs on here
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It was a compliment
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No mate. I was just posting some photo's, of Thames fish, on a Thames thread. Some scenics, stuff like that. If you don't want to look at them Scott, you don't need to do you? No one is forcing you to. Not sure why it would even offend you. They are not big fish in the scheme of things. They just mean a lot to certain people is all. Thames anglers watch all sorts of rubbish written about the river, where the fish come from, stuff like that. I've watched myself so many times recently in the press, including in this thread... So many fish that are meant to be the Sonning Linear, yet none of them actually are.

If everyone wants to think the wrong stuff, that's fine.

I'd rather know the truth myself.
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Was Carpforum, renamed Markforum
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I'm great at it mate. But unfortunately when it moved, it moved somewhere that it was all out of my control. It had been caught three times quickly, green as grass in a new home, by the same man before I got down there. It had come out as many times in five minutes, as it did in ten years. His friends told all and sundry. From that point. I just had to try my best, and get it as quick as possible. I was a man on a mission. It cost me my relationship at the time pretty much. My own fault. I lost him twice. First time in his original home I had a young lad standing talking to me who perch fished. I was playing it, and I knew early exactly what it was. The river was in spate and moving, I got it right in front of me, but could not move it the last bit. It laid on the surface in the flow, the lad went mental as he had never seen such a fish. He tried to get my net, whacked me with it in the head really hard. That never done anything, but the fish righted itself and took off on an unstoppable 150 yard run, that when I tried to stop it, it smashed through strong mono like it was cotton. I watched it in a snag afterwards, for a while. It used to love that one snag. I could have touched it in my little boat at times. He had my pop up from the snow man hanging out of his lip for a while, right into the next spring. By the time he was caught again some two years later, his mouth was mint. It was the first question I asked when I spoke to the captor.

I see the young lad last year, it had been years. He's a young man now. He recounted the story of the big fish I lost when he was there, and said sorry it was his fault. I explained to him it was never his fault. My screaming and swearing that day, throwing my rod at a tree was not anything to do with him, it was because I had just lost the Thames record, and the fish I was after. That it had just been out at 52lb+, and I was still after it many years later. He was so shocked when i showed him some photo's. I was so paranoid back then, I could not even tell a young lad in the village at the time who I was very friendly with that the Thames record lived there. His dad fished. I told them all I ever were caught doubles. They were not carp fisherman, but you can't tell a sole on the river. As you say and well know mate.

"Bream fella, I've had five bream." "I think the carp all died or something". "I'm just here to get away from the missus, you know the score".

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Oh my mistake Josh, I was looking at the wrong photo of me. NOOOOO mate, this one is no stocky or escapee. That's a PROPER Thames one that one. And one I would have given my right arm to catch. I damn well tried for ages don't worry. That photo is over twenty years old or more, a scan of a print. That fish was caught donkeys before that to, by one of Micky's mates, from a similar area. If it was ever in a lake, it was flooded there and back out. It has the Thames 'stamp' all over it.

That fish, that bloke. He's my good friend, that's his only ever Thames carp. One trip he came, that's it. He moved away not to long afterwards... Lucky sod... I never learn, I still keep taking mates haha. It's good fun though eh, he will remember that fish and that night forever Simon will. He'd only ever caught smaller day ticket carp, I told I'd take him to catch a proper one. And that he did.

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Thought it was that fish
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In his prime, on the Thames tow path, long before the cancer. He was the softest, most friendly dog in the world. To anyone and everyone, dogs or people. But he looked the part alright on a dark night with drunks or tackle thieves. I used to have massive problems with travellers, wanting to buy me dawg constantly! I was offered a fortune by one, on the Thames in west London once. I had to tell him, it would be like selling my child.... No chance.

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That's an old fish, from round your way mate. That was from mine and Toddy's trip. Micky Gray took that photograph. It was around that time at a guess yes. It might be an escapee.
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Mark third fish down on the post Iíve replied to, the linear, is that a lake escapee from around 2011?
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Old friends, while social fishing with me, great times.

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He had cancer there mate. I'd spent two years trying to stave it off. It was his last ever fishing trip in reality. My best mate he was.

Proper carp dog. He was there for most of these photographs. And he saw some incredible lake carp to. So many it was unreal.
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Loving the pic of the stoned dogs set up , brilliant 🤣

Great pics Mark....
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   Old Thread  #169 26 Jan 2019 at 6.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Some absolute epic catches and pictures
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I always stick to them mate. The Thames has always been a great place to angle, for those reasons. Most real Thames anglers, will purposely avoid each other. If they know some one is doing a bit of work, they will do their own work. We all leave each other alone.

The problem with all of the anglers going fishing for that fish, is they are not Thames anglers. All that is out of the window now. Now it's just going to be a circus. I had some wicked times fishing for that fish. The best. Yeah it was rubbish at the end, but that's carp fishing. You can't do it properly, when anyone and everyone is going to get on you. Me still down there, was like a beacon after nicks capture. The more I sat there, the worse I was making it for the river itself. I was leaving, people were setting up on the same blades of grass before I was on the M25.

Time to move on. You have got to be enjoying it, or it is not worth going.
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been following this thread with interest and been in two minds whether to post or not as i got a lot of private **** about giving away details on here last time ...why does the river attract such bitter people ?....you certainly have had good results on the thames and by looking at the pic's from a wide variety of locations
i found out along time ago you had to be good at misinformation and bull****ting to keep things a secret and when it came to the dark arts of river fishing i was good ..so i can see why you are upset when you worked hard for something and people come along like they own the place ..but i do believe in karma
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It's all about angling etiquette and morals, some don't have them and get blinded by the glory they seek or need to stay relevant in the angling media 👍



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This one was taken by a lovely man, who came on a charity thing with me. Took the best photo of my favourite ever Thames swim.

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Back to Thames carp. These are from Oxford, right into London. The length of the river. Over many, many years. Scenics, random pics. Some are scans of old prints.

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I try not to mate. But you only see the replies from me. There is stuff being said constantly, by clueless people, while others watch and feed them a bit of info. I would hope that the last big post, is the end of it now. I truly did think Nick was my mate. We seemed to get on, we had far more in common than I had with any of the locals. We would do, he's a decent angler and we had mutual friends who were telling me he was alright really.

I was naive, the same bait company that I have had no end of problems with, since I would not formulate their bait years ago... One of their full time anglers, turns up on me. The boat is purchased, as I'm catching the fish I showed you. Testing a new Mainline bait, and clumping it. It's being put on our page through my Thames Diary. On information from a supposed friend. Ringing me, relaying information. Straight from the horses mouth. Free bait, free tackle. Sold down the river. It takes a while to unravel. And I did not blame Nick. He was just an angler... Who would not want to catch that fish? I did.

It's the blokes who gave him that information that I always had the problem with. They were meant to be my 'mates'. I got one of them a little Gardner deal. It was me who sorted it for him. Nice people.

I'm not posting about this anymore now, an agreement was made between me and one of their friends there. Life moves on.

I really do have the most wonderful UK carp to go and fish for. I've been desperate to get away from the river now for a long time... But I had to get 'him'. It did not happen. I'll go catch other lovely fish, and good luck to any sod that catches it in the future.

I should also publicly say... Terry Hearn has known about that fish, from day one, through me mainly. He came and fished a social with me there years ago, in its original home. He always said he would not come go for it, till I got it. He told me it was my obsession, he'd wait. I hope he catches it now, for giving me that chance.

It's a proper carp that is.
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   Old Thread  #160 26 Jan 2019 at 2.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't take the bait mate, you've posted some of the most interesting posts I've read on here in a long time and backed them with pictures . Good luck with your latest quest.
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Dear Victory.

Yeah I know you want me to shut up.

Tell your pal. I will shut up. I've told the truth there, every single last word. Don't ever tell anyone I am a bully. He is an old man, if he was not, he would have gone in the river long ago. You tell him that. I already have, but he likes to say one thing to me, and another to everyone else. He does it with others to. Don't pop up with two sides to stories, when you don't know the half of it. You caused that post.... So learn from it yourself.

Also you should not be proclaiming what a great angler your mate is for twenty years... After what I said in the last post. Work it out for yourself. It don't make good reading does it.

Trust that was tame... I see hide nor here from you lot again... It will be the lot. I hope you get this.

Good luck.

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No mate, as I said earlier... That is not the Sonning linear the fish which you are talking about. The Sonning linear has not been caught from the Thames for over a decade. It was still about a few years ago though.

I know that last post was long winded. But it needed saying. I really liked Nick, even though I knew he'd been 'sent' by people where meant to be my pals. When KB caught the same fish these same blokes terrorised him to. They are so petty. They only fish the Thames. They all think they are great anglers... Yet if I took any single one of them to a 'proper' lake... They would be so lost it was unreal.

They could not deal with the fact that a 50 turned up in their lap... That's all.

I know carp fishing for big carp. Please imagine, these blokes were trying to play mind games with me, telling me it had been moved when it had not been. Loads of similar.

I told everyone I knew whilst smacking the arse out of it, that I cannot wait to get the biggun and get away from all those local idiots. Bar a couple, they were all very bad anglers in reality. But i was chasing the fish, and he moved into their bit. I never even went after it in some one else's stretch until I had permission, from a 60 year old man. Does that sound like a bully? Nah I'm a proper Thames angler, sorry. They ain't. They have butchered the river, for what? Well done the lot of you. You brought them all, it was you lot. Could not wait to tell everyone where I was having them fish from. I'm gone now... But you've blown the only place you've fished for twenty five years. You don't have much, and you ruined it now. Nice one, you're proper Thames anglers you lot.

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   Old Thread  #157 26 Jan 2019 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Dear TCarper

You are not the only person who has to work hard , I'm sure most of the guys on here work or have worked before they have retired.

Its life that we work to live and then hopefully get some time to go fishing and enjoy ourselves.

Enjoy your fishing. Look to the future and not in the past.

Good Luck
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   Old Thread  #156 26 Jan 2019 at 1.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Re: Mother nature Flood restocking
Hasn't that nice linear that Dave Lane had in his Sonning campaign at low 32 or 33 lb now back in the Thames and grown on to 43 lb odd ?

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And some more information that is probably pertinent to things that have been said in this thread. I'm a London lad my entire life. I've always fished the river Thames. I've always driven many miles to get to my fishing, my whole life, around the worst and most busy stretches of road in the UK. This makes it hard. No baiting, no prepping. I've been a worker my entire life apart from when I was ill for a period. So a four hour round journey after a days work plastering to bait up, was proper hard work. Most Thames anglers live right next to the river. Easy times. In 2017 at Xmas, I moved a family from central London, to Sonning in Berkshire. I was there for just over a year. I may not have got the record fish. But I'm not bitter at all.

That year, was the best of my fishing life. It was like a child being locked in the sweet shop all night. A London kid, being let loose in big fish central? All on the doorstep? I caught so many carp, found them over two months pre ticket, and smacked them from Burghfield in one trip, three 40's. That big fully at over 40 from a no fishing pit, carp from the Thames in unheard of numbers. Oh and chuck in rakes of monster Thames pike over 25lb myself, that no one had ever seen before, including the third largest ever caught from the river, for my good friend. Best days fishing of my life seeing him catch that thing. I also caught the third largest barbel ever caught from the river Thames at the time, within ten minutes of seriously casting out for them.

Best years angling of my life, all done while working full time, and running a busy business. The woman I was with, I am no longer with, my fault. She will never understand that the little fishing boy from London, had been let loose in heaven. But I changed her's and her children's lives forever, from Hackney to Sonning is a great future for them all. Not growing up and getting stabbed, but having a great future. But that year in 2017, I was as happy as I could ever be. Do you think the local anglers liked all this? Come on, be honest? Some flash sod from London comes down, and starts showing the locals how to do it, properly on their 'patch'. What's going to happen? You know. I was hindered trying to get 'him'.

I'm not jealous, and I bear no grudges anymore. I've moved on. I had the best years fishing of my life that year. I did not get him, and well done to anyone who has, or will in the future.

A sad story. Some one who hindered me with that fish, after he had caught it three times, along with his mate. Nicks mate to. My son, who I am mega proud of, is a paramedic. He covers the whole of Berkshire area and beyond. I asked him a name when me and this guy were friends, going fishing together. He was another friend I thought. He came to my house and got free stuff. Took free tackle from me enough. Turned out, my baby boy and many of his colleagues, had saved a member of that persons families life, whom that person had told me about many many times. That person, then done all he could to stop me catching that fish, so I never told him. I just let him crack on. Through jealousy he done it. I knew all the time. He once told me that I should not put photos up on the internet. I had to explain to him that some people have to work, and pay tax, so that many others can go fishing. He soon shut up. He once took free stuff from me, and walked down the river to another local angler to tell him I was bullying him off the stretch. He's already had it three times. When he had had it twice, he told me to come get it. He knew I'd been after it for years. I was convinced it would return to it's original home, so plan was there for the start, and down 'there' if 'he' was not about in his original home again. He spoke to most days that close, telling me about an upper 30 he was feeding. He told others to. It was the record. A week after he caught it again, and I was there. He was drinking my tea, and slipped up. He proclaimed "I thought it was 50 mate, I watched it for a week". He's spent all close on the phone to me telling me it was a different fish. So then I could not get a ticket for the club in 2018. Last time I spoke to him, I asked him if he is glad he lied to me now. He told me, no he wished he had told me the truth, and let me get it. That he wished I did now. A week later he was in the bushes watching me and Nick. I know what it is, these people are not used to dealing with a 50lb fish. They are used to catching 20's & 30's their whole life. When a 50 drops in their lap... They can't handle it. When he caught it for the fourth time, he brought a bait firm owner down to do the photos. It got blown anyway before Nick. He does not know that story above. That my baby boy who I brought into the world, was saving his nearest and dearest, whilst he was getting so bitter over some fishing with me.

Some people will read that, and gulp. Good, gulp away. You cannot get my son in any trouble like you tried to with me with the council, when you stopped me fishing your club stretch. He loves that member of your family. He pays tax, and works like me. You go fishing most days, whilst you're a carer for twenty years, so should be careful getting on the grassing buzz like you do. You wanted me stopped totally from having any chance of catching it. My son is absolutely clueless to what a nasty person you really are, I would not jeopardise him. I know you will read this. And your friends are to. My son has probably saved, or will save members of all of your families lives. How does that make you feel? It's fishing. That stuff is real life.

Hang your head in shame after reading that. It's all the gospel.

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Which gospel?

Lovely pics by the way.
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Victory, you want to talk to me about two sides of stories, read that. You're pal is on here, he is reading it. Why you replying? Tell him to come say any of it is a lie.
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They have always come and gone from the river mate. The fish your friends saw, were Thames carp originally. They all were. They always have been, since before anglers set foot on there. And they always will be. Those great big fish your friends saw, had flooded in there, and got big in a rich shallow big pit. They saw carp that mother nature could make giants, with no anglers bait involved. Lucky men. That pit is doing great things again... Only because mother nature restocked her from the river again... And the anglers all disappeared for years... Because the big fish were gone.

Lake anglers talk about the Sonning fish flooding into the river... Well they come from the river long, long before that in the first place. The Sonning linear... Classic Thames carp. He was spawned in the river, not Sonning. All of the classic Sonning fish were Thames fish... All us real Thames anglers have always known that, I did try to tell them on that Sonning thread about the Eye, on Cemtex donkeys years ago. You only need look at them, and see the lake connected to the river in winter, in six places. It's always gone on. Sonning floods into the river on a grand scale, regular in a bad flood year. They can come and go when it is like that, and as carp like to... They do. Sometimes you may get a decade of no major flood... But when it comes... Bosh, it's all change. The Eye himself had an eye parasite, that he got in the first place from being in the Thames... Before anglers ever saw him.

One big Winter, EVERYTHING can change. It always has, and it always will.

This fish below is from a pit. It was a Thames fish originally. It was caught from the river as an 18lb fish twenty five years ago. It has lived in two different pits at least, and was born in the river first. Mother nature is the Donald Leney of our times. And mother nature does it better than anyone.

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   Old Thread  #151 26 Jan 2019 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Best reading on here in ages, the perfect antidote to those frankenstein fish threads.

And some truly awesome carp, not just looks but in character.
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Skear and two sometimes three other anglers that worked for my late father years ago caught some georgeous carp from Sonning, and some of the other nearby pits in the 70ís. The majority of which have never been seen since, at least not in photographs?
The general opinion is, they either died, found their way into the Thames or perished in the fish kill which I think was early 90ís? There were some very big fish found dead in the kill, (so we were told)

Steve once told me the biggest carp heíd ever seen was in Sonning,and that was way before it was getting any attention from any carp anglers. Itís sometimes quite a surprise for people to find out, that very big carp did exist in the UK a very long time ago, in waters other than Redmire.
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River fish are hardy for sure, survivors of the fittest, proper warriors to the end.

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Me to. The Thames is very special indeed mate, all of them. The pike, the barbel, the chub, the perch, the roach, and even the carp lol. The fish are very hardy to. That river chugs in the winter. They have to deal with some MAJOR shizzle every winter. Over weirs, the lot. It's not unusual to catch them ripped to bits.

This one had been carved up by a boat engine. You can clearly see the propeller cuts, three of them. The one on the back was so deep, it should have died. Carp care was not going to help him that much... But I tried anyway and super glued his floppy tail back up.

They are a hardy old species

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Can well believe what must have swum in and out of there over the years. WOW.
So true, I was lucky TBH. I think he had about 18-20 members early on that first year.

If I was a Thames carp I'd be straight in there.

The Thames will always be the king of rivers, like Dr Who, the stock constantly under regeneration

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Mate I don't blame you, I was tempted at first till I heard the real stories. You're lucky you did not lose your money. Others did, not long after they had paid I was told. Or struggled to get it back to in one case.

Here's one for you. I've seen a video, long before any of this was done... Of two of the most incredible fully you have seen in your life. The video was taken, as the person was rescuing them... They had beached themselves whilst spawning. It's a natural spawning ground for Thames carp, and always has been. You can join up the dots mate.

Who would not go have a look mate? But he protects it with weapons I'm told, and wants to frighten everyone away. You know why. Everyone does now.

It was famous long before any of that you mention or the bloke you knew, but no names need mentioning as it's all so long ago now. Stocked lakes that place did, all over the country to I was told, with Thames carp long before it got renamed to make a syndicate, or he was ever over there even.

I love the Thames, none of that over there, has ever been good really. It goes on elsewhere to, not just there. River fish get taken.
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   Old Thread  #145 25 Jan 2019 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for that update.

Yes, he was the Land caretaker sort of role, Trev had a back/shoulder injury at work and decided to give the syndicate option a go. That's what I was told. LOL !

I saw his photo album, that big square bellied spawn bound 40 plus common, remember seeing that one, and a handful of people that were guesting it ( from Swindon ) before he started running it as A52, some stunners where in there, long scaley ones, fullys, linears.

Quiet, untapped 30 odd acre, rich & weedy venue, a nice marina to hide in, fish stock unknown, almost too good an offer to not join. £750 a ticket, thing was I did about 4 nights all year, bloody expensive ticket for me, lesson learnt.
Always heard lots of things about it's past.
Was told Springate, Hearn, Lane looked at it whilst fishing Sonning ( pre syndicate ) was that true? always had that mystery about it.

Personally I don't agree with fish moving or prevention of natural right of passage, that stigma always played on my mind.
Heard about the Sonning incident, heard about big fish rumours being moved by other people to other venues nearby as well.

Nature as nature should be. I'm glad that the fish are free to explore Father Thames.

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   Old Thread  #144 25 Jan 2019 at 10.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It has come and gone as far as I am told mate. I've never seen it with my own eyes, but I've been told there was very small bouys there holding a net up, and that the bouys were set just below water level. That when it was there, you would not even know, unless you done what you did or wheer right on top of it. This was taken in and out according to what I've been told, by people who would know and saw it themselves. That only happened for a period I was told. At certain times they would want to be in there anyway the fish, at others they would not. Nature.That does not work with a £700 a man syndicate though, does it. Not really. Not if you think about it.

The syndicate should have never been I am also told, it's on the man who owns the marinas land, and Lafarge own the rest. He is/was some sort of caretaker, for the man who runs the marina and had become homeless, so was living over there somewhere. When the man who owns the marina, his boss, found out what he was up to charging £700 a man... He kicked him off. Then the heros moved in, and started moving fish back into the river I was told... If that is true or not, who knows. Karma if so. That net has not been there for time now I was told.

This is what I do know myself, 100%, not stuff I've been told by others. remember, I've never actually been over there myself. That place has always been very dodgy. I see him myself, when fishing the marina entrance. Coming and going, at silly o clock, with others in the boat with him, early and late in the period running up to the syndicate opening. Stealth style. He was caught by a Sonning bailiff I was told on Cemtex, by the bailiff himself, on both river and lake apparently years ago. All of the big fish in the river round there started turning up in there, very suddenly, and then the syndicate opened. It gets better.

I was once shown a photo, of a very large common, and told it was the Thames record just before that syndicate opened. I showed it to an old school angler... He told me that it was with out question, the monster common which came from Sonning just once, (publicised). Right next door. Well it went walkies didn't it, some one else had it, and moved it, maybe it just flooded then was kept mega quiet LOL. I was shown the photo, as a claimed Thames record by some one else... LOL. It's all old hat now... But very funny still.

Everything around that marina, and Deans farm etc, has always been a bit dodgy. Lakes used to get stocked from there by some one else... Who showed the other man how to do it all I guess. A stain on Thames carping that place was.

It's a shame, because before all this... That man caught the best looking Thames carp that I have ever seen from that marina, properly. A monster fully. When people want to make money as life goes a bit wrong, they do mad things. I heard loads of anglers did not get their money back either. He's back I heard, chasing people away again like it's all his. LOL.
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   Old Thread  #143 25 Jan 2019 at 9.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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you see, all of the Area jokey2 fish are back in the main river now

Mark, what happened with that A52 Syndicate that Trevor run, I walked around it when he first opened it to 'the public' to see what all the fuss was about, and saw firsthand the channel from the marina/dead end boat yard arm that went into the lake that everyone on Cemex forum, etc, was saying was netted off with buoys/net or backfilled in the past.
Big Tench in there as well.

I dragged a long branch along the bottom through that channel, it was definitely an OPEN & passable route in and out then.

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   Old Thread  #142 25 Jan 2019 at 9.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís the one, amazing fish
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   Old Thread  #141 25 Jan 2019 at 9.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It could well be true when I really think about it, you see, all of the Area jokey2 fish are back in the main river now. Everything is right with the world again now, which is why you do not see real Thames anglers crying about what was going on there anymore. He's lucky TCarper was not on any forum when all that was going on LOL.

Well, to be fair to Django, a couple of them could do those figures he quoted. But they are simmo type, and don't interest me much anyway if it is those fish. The simmo types in the river are not the nicest kind. They flooded in from Oxford, from the day ticket venues. But they are back in the main river, and could be bigger than the record. They are river fish now for time, the survivors. If one of them breaks the record, it will be a worthy one. The river is flourishing. It's never had so many big fish in. It's just to busy now.

It will die down eventually, you see it's not like that safe little syndicate that everyone knows so well. Drunks at 2am, can be quite feisty when in a crowd, and paralytic. They will all get boats, or most will give up, quick time. The fish will all move before that happens anyway. They do not wear heavy pressure for long. They move.
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   Old Thread  #140 25 Jan 2019 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Stunner but no surprise to anyone that read your posts on rmc/cemex. Ignore the wums, I remember one making some claims on here about the Thames but as you would say without pictures worthless rumours.
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   Old Thread  #139 25 Jan 2019 at 9.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I bet that can tell a few stories, look at the scars
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   Old Thread  #138 25 Jan 2019 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That was about fifteen years ago now mate, maybe more I caught that.

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   Old Thread  #137 25 Jan 2019 at 9.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cracking fish, I wonder which ones are escapes from lakes in years gone by 👍 well done tcarper
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   Old Thread  #136 25 Jan 2019 at 9.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And both of those fish in the previous post have an eye fluke parasite. If you look at the second fish, the first photo of it, it's eye is very bulging. The other fish, it's other side never gets shown... Because it is totally blown out, just like the famous Eye from Sonning. The whole eye has been eaten, and looks disgusting. A lot of the bream on the stretch have it to. They will all end up with it, and be blind. It's spreading among them. It's being clearly spread by the top fish in the previous post.

None of these ones below have it yet, apart from the small fully which is starting to bulge a bit. They all will eventually though. That's why Thames fish can not be put in lakes... Stuff like this. I know that the Eye was originally a Thames fish, that flooded into Sonning... How do I know that? Because I know the Thames, and it had a Thames carp disease, that is common to the area. It's infectious without doubt. Out of the 55 I caught in those three months, including repeats, around seven different fish had it. The record fish will kop it eventually now.


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   Old Thread  #135 25 Jan 2019 at 9.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Absolutely stunning carp 👍 my first night on the forum and I am treated to seeing these stunning carp well done to that man

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   Old Thread  #134 25 Jan 2019 at 9.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks mate. That's him two months later in November colours, and a fair bit bigger to.

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This different one, is the same fish, same scenario.

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   Old Thread  #133 25 Jan 2019 at 9.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I remember you having a fully with a swirly pattern on its side, thatís a cracker
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   Old Thread  #132 25 Jan 2019 at 8.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What a superb fish. The tales that fish could tell.
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   Old Thread  #131 25 Jan 2019 at 7.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's my favourite ever Thames fish that common, thank you the three of you.

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   Old Thread  #130 25 Jan 2019 at 7.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lovely looking fish
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   Old Thread  #129 25 Jan 2019 at 7.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I believe that nowadays, when I find something special, be it a venue, place or a certain fish. I think of this.

Enjoy it whilst it lasts, as nothing lasts forever, live it, milk it and photograph it.


Well said that man

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   Old Thread  #128 25 Jan 2019 at 7.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Phew, seems to be a few threads recently where handbags and nastiness start coming out.
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   Old Thread  #127 25 Jan 2019 at 7.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cracking common

I believe that nowadays, when I find something special, be it a venue, place or a certain fish. I think of this.

Enjoy it whilst it lasts, as nothing lasts forever, live it, milk it and photograph it.
If you cannot trust their eyes and ears, give nothing anyway, because if you do, then your current paradise will become a circus very soon

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   Old Thread  #126 25 Jan 2019 at 7.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mannnn, that is a cracker
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   Old Thread  #125 25 Jan 2019 at 6.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Jon has nothing relevant to say about the river Thames. He is here on this thread, just for me, me alone. What he likes to do, is make his 'random' comments, and run away waiting for a reaction. If it was not so sad, it would be hilarious.

There you go Jon.

A Thames carp. That photo is some twenty or so years old now at a guess. So I know what i'm talking about Jon. On a thread about the Thames. You?


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   Old Thread  #124 25 Jan 2019 at 6.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally uncalled for, get rid of that massive chip on your shoulder...or is it a bag of bird seed?
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Jon, your attempts are getting weaker and weaker. I'm starting to feel sorry for you now. You asked me never to speak to you again, yet now you follow me around like a bad smell trying to draw me into an argument because some people want to talk to me.

Please leave me alone now Jon. I know who your friends are on here, I know who wanted me removed from this forum because they sell on here. Please go away, you're like a child. Are you going to ruin this thread to? It was you who started it all last time on the other thread.

Grow up, no one cares about your EE carp, deal with it mate. Go talk to your friends, about stuff that no one whatsoever cares about. Don't blame me for it though. x
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   Old Thread  #122 25 Jan 2019 at 6.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair play to you
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That's nothing mate... i drove from South London, for two hours each way, often twice a week for two years... And it was not even in the stretch anymore! That was wasted effort, and no ones fault.

It's fishing. I've said from the start, well done Nick. I've said it to him, on the internet. He caught the first 50 from the Thames. The only reason we are no longer friends in my head, is what happened after.

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   Old Thread  #120 25 Jan 2019 at 6.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mark

You are the Justin beber/ wannabe of carp angling. Everything that's wrong with what so many of us love.
Yes you have a picture book which many of us envy, but all you have really done is chase others finds.
Pumping out a bait that failed for 6 years after one fish kind of sums it up, then claiming Hellieur stole it from you????...
I'm sure I'll get some sort of egotistical response, but there are 1000s of anglers going out this weekend who will no doubt find your next "magical conquest"
And whoever compared you to either mat or Ken was either drunk or just.......well

Best jon
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   Old Thread  #119 25 Jan 2019 at 6.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Feel for your wasted effort mate, just hope the new adventure pays off big time.
All things happen for a reason Mark

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No I was gullible mate, because I'm actually a nice bloke. I thought we were friends to be honest. Silly me eh. I'd been warned, of course. Anyone who thinks I'm jealous. I would never have caught that fish anyway. But another young local lad named David would have. He was catching fish from the stretch all year. The photo's were seen on insta by all. He was a genuine honest lad, who had a young family and a business. He was fishing around that area all year. Nick came, and never got on me, he got on this lad a bit. They did not like each other really. The lad was not about for a while, and that's when Nick caught the first, and then soon after the biggun. I'd have not caught it anyway, as the bloke from earlier had ensured that I could not get a bank ticket for the club he was the bailiff for. So I could get no where near. Anyone who thinks I was not his friend... He had not spoken to a close mate of his for three years... I spoke to his mate... So I banged their heads together a bit (theoretically), and got them talking again. Would I even bother if I was a ****?

The swim he caught it from, I'd helped him by telling him to move there and leave his big baited spot. He'll tell you. I hope that it was more Sticky, it's his job and way of fishing. But things like that photo on insta, say something else. More like my warnings.

I'd rather be a genuine person mate, if that means these sort of people can get one over on me... Ah well.
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   Old Thread  #117 25 Jan 2019 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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and will absolutely not stop until that fish is in his net/ portfolio, and by almost any means.

Like any sponsored big fish angler/sheep really, they need THAT fish capture to be current, and deemed worthy, but like you say, unfortunately by any information seeking/grabbing means possible.

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Nick has put up loads of photos on instagram of the posse there that night... I was shown it. I think it had the headline... "No sleep for us that night". I was just down the river. He had sat in my swim all day. That was for me. When it was 'broke'.

Go find the photograph now.
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Oh yes, love this one, the certain good anglers that youngsters look up to, and read about these certain people/special captures, and then months or years later, the real circumstances come out, after rubbing shoulders with other anglers that where there at the time.
You know others peoples baiting up jumped on/swim slugs, spied on with bins, truth stretched and rules bent, etc

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   Old Thread  #114 25 Jan 2019 at 6.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Please donít take this the wrong way Mark as I believe from your posts, you are a man of integrity. Although I donít know Nick myself, a good few of my angling mates have known him for over thirty years since his late teens.
They have all said that If Nick turned up on any of their special waters, they would discreetly put the shutters down. As they know he actually angles people for info before the angling proper starts. He will get wind of a certain fish, and will absolutely not stop until that fish is in his net/ portfolio, and by almost any means.

So, surely when he first arrived, youíd have imagined how it would unfold?
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   Old Thread  #113 25 Jan 2019 at 5.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nick and TC arper where not the only people fishing that streach.

Is more where I was going.
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True.
But I don't think we would ever hear the other side of the story as 'Searcher' Nick is still banned on here, isn't he ?

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   Old Thread  #111 25 Jan 2019 at 5.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There are always two or more sides to a story.

Very Very True Sir.

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   Old Thread  #110 25 Jan 2019 at 5.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Never a good thing to just hear one side of the story on a public forum
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i say it all the time but how awesome would carp angling be if literally everyone was a secret squirrel !! it would be heaven as far as i'm concerned
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