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One dropped run... it’s not a easy water
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#62 16 Oct 2020 at 3.46pm | | | |
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How did you get on?
@Pizza, sounds like you had a great day  Re the zig dead bait, can't see it not working, not sure indication will be great if it just sits there though.
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#61 10 Oct 2020 at 6.20pm | | | |
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Just reading this thread it’s my first trip out tomorrow... hope my pike seasons better than my carp
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Having a go for pike and perch this winter. I’m going to try popped up small deadbait on my adjustable zig rig. Has anyone tried this?
Took my lad out lure fishing on my carp water for a few days last week and we had 11 between us and dropped as many. Great fun.
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A bit of a late addition, but personally as a beginner to deadbaiting i'd highly recommend float fishing. Aside from being able to fish different layers of the water column, you'll also be able to see the slightest touch of the bait when fishing in calm conditions. Also, in rivers and lakes with crays and crabs, you'll see them attack the bait. You can avoid them entirely if set the depth correctly. I usually you a single treble hooked in the dorsal, which makes it easier for unhooking purposes.
Lastly, its an active way of fishing if you cannot sit still for more than 15 minutes 
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#58 17 Jan 2019 at 3.57pm | | | |
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#57 20 Dec 2018 at 9.12pm | | | |
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Sorry Vossy, I had to buy a new one to. Can't you send it back, say it does not fit on your hand?
Sorry for the bum info
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#56 20 Dec 2018 at 4.24pm | | | |
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Agghhh...bloody glove arrived today too :-( thanks M
I did see a lot of comments re Muskie/Pike gloves, also smooth builders gloves so was a bit surprised when this glove arrived with a open weave. Having said that I remember John Wilson using a chain mail glove 'back in the day'.
I don't really want to use a glove but have no choice.
When chinning a Pike there's always a chance it'll move your fingers into it's mouth while attempting it or after it while actually holding it, if your very unlucky. I never move my hands away from a Pike quickly anymore after ramming a treble home into my index finger 
Back to the drawing board!
EDIT, double bugger, only M/XL left, and XL seems way too big for me at 10.5cm longest finger
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#55 18 Dec 2018 at 9.34am | | | |
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Warwicks mate, is a really good mate of mine Josh. I don't know him personally, but know good friends that do. One of them will be coming this Winter. Pike do not respond very well to pressure. Like I said earlier in this thread, Feb 2017 was fantastic in my little area, Feb 2018 no where near as good. The pressure told. The reason I caught them in the first place, was finding where they hid. And they like to hide away from pressure. If Colin caught that pike near spawning time, it might have travelled many many miles to get to its spawning grounds. It may actually live a long way away from where it was caught, 99% of the year.
I know all the pike in this thread do that, they travel from miles away to where I caught them from. Most of the year they are not there.
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#53 17 Dec 2018 at 9.24pm | | | |
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A friend Ricci Connolly came with me one day, he has a tackle shop in Kent, Fish Online. He loves his pike fishing, fishes Chew a lot.
My dream is to get a photo of two big river twenties, me and a mate, up against that boat. Everyone who comes gets told the same. That is always the days plan. Well when I caught the blind eye 25, Ricci lost a monster, both just before, and just after. We saw one of them, it may have been Sam's fish, it was big. The other one we did not see. He could not stop it, and it went around a bad snag and cut him in an instant. That was a very big fish to.
I call poor old Ricci, Ricci rubber hooks now 
That day we should have had the photograph of all photographs. He let me down badly. We will rectify that this winter.
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#52 17 Dec 2018 at 9.14pm | | | |
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I would not know Josh. It was a very impressive pike indeed Colin's one.. The photo I saw looked like main river behind him though.
I've seen a much bigger one with my own eyes, on a video. It was shown to me by a very rich, non fishing landowner. Him and his missus have some swans, ducks, and carp that they feed bread all of the time. Like pets. In this video I was shown on a mobile, two full grown adult swans are being fed bread. Between them, is a signet. Underneath them a pike comes into view in the crystal clear water. It was absolutely mind blowing, really big. It was as long as the two fully grown adult swans put together. It came up to have a look at the signet, and the parents panicked.
The bloke who showed me the video said to me... "That's a British record isn't it that pike". I told him, that I did not think it was a British record, that would be incredible for a river. But it was without question, the biggest pike I have ever seen in my life. I dread to think how big it was. It was damn big.
I wonder if it was this fish I saw in the video, which took a bite out of Sam's 32lber.
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#50 17 Dec 2018 at 7.37pm | | | |
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You was not moaning. I just bought one from that link. I don't start piking till mid January anyway. I'll have one of those gloves with me when I do. I like the sound of less smell, that glove I have pongs to high heaven if I've had a good day.
Thanks again.
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#49 17 Dec 2018 at 4.23pm | | | |
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I don't know about ebay, but these are the ones.
https://billyclarke.co.uk/gloves/4449-chad-cains-pike-glove.html
Thanks for taking note. I didn't mean to moan, but pike care is even more important than most species as they are fragile.
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#48 17 Dec 2018 at 4.09pm | | | |
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Opps, then I need a new glove to. Thank you for the advice mate. I will get myself a Muskie glove. Fleabay best?
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#47 17 Dec 2018 at 4.00pm | | | |
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Just a heads up for anyone wanting a glove. Do not use those filleting gloves in the link on this thread. They will catch the gill rakers and do serious damage if you are not careful. There are far better alternatives if you really want to use a glove. Fox and Savage do reasonable gloves that don't snag the rakers so much. A Muskie glove is the best as they are smooth. A golf glove is also a good alternative.
Remember that a glove is not to stop you getting bitten as you shouldn't have a hand in it's mouth. It's to protect you from gill raker rash, or possibly your hooks if you're not sure where they are.
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#46 17 Dec 2018 at 0.07am | | | |
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I find, if you straddle them between knees, turn them on their back, and pull that jaw open from underneath, they can't do anything
Good tip mate 👍I posted similar on the forum a few years ago.
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#45 16 Dec 2018 at 1.24pm | | | |
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Brilliant
Anglers just going about their fishing under the radar, real passion 
I have fished with pals for a long time, I do like to fish by myself at times though, get away from real life. My best fishing pal got divorced a couple of years ago now, screwed him up, sold his gear, although he has started to pick a few bits up. Happy days 
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#44 16 Dec 2018 at 12.39pm | | | |
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I'm going to catch this bitch this Winter hopefully. She was not about last year.
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#43 16 Dec 2018 at 12.32pm | | | |
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Thank you, we caught loads mate. This is a good friend, he probably will not thank me for putting his photo on the internet again. He's caught so many premium big carp this young man, and no sod knows who he is, because he prefers it that way. Him and his brother are both exceptional anglers. He had never caught a big river pike. He had caught rakes and rakes of Thames 30lb+ carp by the time he was 21 (he came once with me when he was 16). Caught very big carp, from different, under the radar pits. More leney's than you could shake a stick at. We went for two hours after work, pike fishing, waited till dark. Waited till an hour after dark as no bites had been forthcoming. We were fishing heavy floats, heavyish running leads, rods laying on the deck. Floating braid under tension to the float, mega loose bait runners. Whatever way that float moves, you get a 'tick tick'. Standing there in the dark, with a torch on four rods laying on the floor. We could not see a thing. His rod ripped off, this was the result. He was very happy, so was I.
My mate had now caught a big pike. Took three hours. Best thing about all this pike fishing, I often always had/have a mate there with me. Social happy fishing. I've had good anglers tell me, I should have kept it all for myself. That would be crap though, how rubbish to sit on a freezing cold day on your own! I'd rather be having a laugh with a mate.
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#42 16 Dec 2018 at 10.30am | | | |
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Some cracking crocs there mate
Big old pike are thin on the ground nowadays around me, the last one I saw was around 8 years ago and that was a 24lb fish to a pal. The comerants love the smaller ones 
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#41 15 Dec 2018 at 11.02am | | | |
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Most things will snag their rakers mate. Just better not to touch them if possible. If you do, don't worry to much. When a pike strikes, their mouth is so wide open, the gill rakers are exposed anyway. I bet they get damaged all of the time when hitting a live prey. Imagine them smashing into a perch with those spiky fins. The gill rakers will heal well, it just looks bad, as they bleed a lot.
I took some one else's trace out of a 25lb pike two years ago. It had been cut with scissors, the trace itself. The angler done that, because he was scared to 'get in there'. I find, if you straddle them between knees, turn them on their back, and pull that jaw open from underneath, they can't do anything. The same fish done 27lb10oz not long after, and was caught twice more. It was seriously hungry.
My friends 32lb8oz, had teeth that were at least an inch long, the big ones. They were savage, and horrible looking. I'll be honest, I was jealous to have not caught it myself of course, but glad I did not need to put my hand inside that ones gob. It was incredible.
The Chew 40lbers have tiny little heads, and are young fish really that grow fast. That 32lber from the Thames, I'd have my money on that pike every single time against them Chew bigguns in a ruck. She'd take them on, five at a time, and smash them up.
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#40 14 Dec 2018 at 1.38pm | | | |
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Thanks for the link I'll get one ordered . I've read up on various forums inc PAC before asking, thing I want to avoid is snagging the glove on the rakers, something which seems to be a bit of a problem with some types of material v others.
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#39 14 Dec 2018 at 9.14am | | | |
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FISHING-FILLETING-GLOVE-CUT-RESISTANT-PIKE-UNHOOKING-HAND-PROTECTIVE-SAFETY/132880006548?hash=item1ef043fd94:g:0UwAAOSwCJxaHXc6:rk:11:pf:0
That's the exact one I have. It does the job. I paid a fiver delivered so you might find it a bit cheaper.
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#38 13 Dec 2018 at 11.03pm | | | |
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Mate I have a glove!! Just for unhooking. All of these big Thames pike, had teeth that would **** you right up!! I needed a whole arm metal cover with one of them!
I got a metal glove from fleabay mate. Just do a search, they are by far the best. I think they are chefs gloves, to wear when chopping. But they get sold as pike gloves to. Brilliant they are. Mine was about £5.
All that matters is the trebles are dealt with safely and quickly for the pike IMO. If a glove helps, it helps! My mate gets all macho, does not use a glove... Every now and then, BOSH, have that macho man. His hands are all scarred.
Impressive in the tube isn't it. That's me in the reflection
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#37 13 Dec 2018 at 10.45pm | | | |
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But in that scenario mate the black is a silhouette, like zig fishing this works well. It stands out the best against the surface of the water.
Sorry I wasn't clear enough, I meant when bringing the float in the last 10-15 yards or so when you know what's there, float tight to the lead, maybe only 6" boom off the bottom, I deliberately bring it in like that in winter to see if I can provoke a response close in 👍
Edit, look at that in the tube
Paulie, Can you or you friends recommend a good glove for Pike? Before anyone has a pop, I've never used a glove, and if it were up to me I never would but sometimes you don't have a choice.
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#36 13 Dec 2018 at 10.42pm | | | |
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Haha! Fair play If you’re gonna do it, do it properly!
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#35 13 Dec 2018 at 10.04pm | | | |
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Oh I'm a life long tea man to, I drink ten cups at least per day. But these are really posh coffees. I only got into coffee a few years ago, because of some woman. Gary makes the best coffee ever. Who else takes all this malarky with them fishing? That's his old feet. He has always done it, he made me a posh coffee on the banks of The Ocean in Kent, probably twenty years ago nearly now. Percolator, the finest columbian coffee beans pre ground. He even makes all the milk frothy first.
He's a coffee genius. 
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#34 13 Dec 2018 at 9.08pm | | | |
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Well when I walked in the shop and saw him, it had been a long time, and I do mean a long time since I’d last seen him but, recognised him straight away.
The coffee sounds nice but, I’m a tea man at heart, Iike a nice cup of coffee but, could drink tea for England!
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#33 13 Dec 2018 at 5.37pm | | | |
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#32 13 Dec 2018 at 5.09pm | | | |
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But in that scenario mate the black is a silhouette, like zig fishing this works well. It stands out the best against the surface of the water.
On the bottom though, in often murky water, a different scenario entirely. If you watch any of these go pro videos of pike picking up dead baits, they seem to be really bad at doing it. A fish in the mid layers, the pike is like a typhoon, deadly accurate. On the bottom (dead baits), they need all the help they can get bless them from what I've seen. A bright bit of colour does not hurt.
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#31 12 Dec 2018 at 6.23pm | | | |
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When feature finding in winter I've had lots of Pike follow various coloured & black marker floats right into the shallowest of water.
Agree with Paulie 're the Sardines, though have been known to use a Sprat when it's quiet just to try and get some action.
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#30 12 Dec 2018 at 1.10pm | | | |
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Yeah was just wondering if the visual aspect may attract them or put them off. Doubt it would put them off coz naturally eating dead fish off the bottom they must pick up detritus as well which they'd filter out, so yeah more a case of seeing if different colours do attract more than others but like you say balancing the bait and ensuring the hooks are face up is the most important thing. Thanks again.
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#29 12 Dec 2018 at 12.46pm | | | |
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Black will work, you just don't have the visual thing. Yellow may work really well. Try. The visual thing is only a bonus, the main thing is, that it makes the rig work so much better. Balances it a bit more to, makes it easier for them to pick up. But it sounds like you have already sussed that. Good luck.
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#28 12 Dec 2018 at 11.44am | | | |
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Yeah i've got some Fox zig foam, what I was going to use, got a few colours but mainly black and yellow. Pink and red are two of the few colours I don't think ive got any of. Will have a go with the black and yellow and if they don't work will get some pink/red. Reckon it's a top tip though coz ive always thought that the trebles could be the wrong side of the dead bait and are therefore likely to pick up debris off the bottom possibly impeding hooking so thank you.
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#27 12 Dec 2018 at 10.43am | | | |
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No I've just always used pink mate. I did not have any red. I had loads of pink foam for carp fishing. Any tackle shop will have the stuff on that trace in stock. It's zig foam. I had some old Gardner stuff in my tackle den. I'm sure all of the companies will sell the same.
Get some red stuff from fleabay. The pink has worked exceptionally well for me though.
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#26 12 Dec 2018 at 10.29am | | | |
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That's a great tip thank you Paulie, will definitely try it next time i'm pike fishing (hopefully at some point over the Xmas period). Do you think the colour of the foam matters? Have you experimented, found some colours seem to be more effective than others?
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#25 12 Dec 2018 at 9.43am | | | |
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Yes Daz, exactly half way between the two trebles. Stick one treble in tail root, and the other up near gill plate. The foam will then be laying along the side of the dead bait. It's one of those things, that's so bloody simple, but it makes a vast difference to your fishing. No dead leaves on the trebles, no dead weed. You can fish a bait hard on the bottom, without snagging it. On a river this is extra important with movement.
If you think about when the pike takes the bait into its mouth to, the hooks are on top of the bait every single time, facing up. When you strike, you're never striking into the dead bait itself, or through it.
It makes everything just work better.
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#24 11 Dec 2018 at 11.35pm | | | |
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Paulie, you must have to put the rig foam between trebles I'm assuming to make it work? will try it next time out on a couple of rods
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#23 11 Dec 2018 at 10.41pm | | | |
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A photo of the bags of Waitrose sardines I like, and the other photo, look at the bit of pink rig foam on the trace hanging out of the jack on the left. This bit of foam really really helps with dead bait fishing. It means the bait lays on the bottom, hook side up every time. You will snag weed and the bottom far far less. Just slice a couple of inches of high density rig foam to the middle with a pair of scissors. I like pink, adds some colour. Slide onto trace and super glue it in place. It really helps a lot. I pike fished a lot when I was younger, never done this. A friend showed me, it's very simple, but it makes a massive massive difference. You hook up with more pike to I think, the hooks are always facing up when the fish takes it into its mouth.
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#22 11 Dec 2018 at 11.00am | | | |
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Look at you sniffing for a discount lol. I don't blame you mate, Army Andy uses this forum I think and is in the shop all of the time. He's Gary's friend. He might see it. Stand firm, he'll love you lol. Gary's a lovely bloke, I love him to bits and consider him a good friend... But come on. I'm pretty sure he scares most of the fish away when he comes. Lucky he brings a proper coffee percolator, and the finest coffee known to man. He also makes lovely fishing rods, but this is a far less important situation than the coffee percolator gig.
His coffee is second to none, he's a real expert. I like coffee, I love Gals coffee.
Ageing well...
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#21 11 Dec 2018 at 9.34am | | | |
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To be fair, he’s aged well, nice bloke too 
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#20 10 Dec 2018 at 9.30pm | | | |
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Thank you mate, that's much appreciated
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#19 10 Dec 2018 at 8.32pm | | | |
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Best of luck mate, few people rooting for you
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#18 10 Dec 2018 at 8.15pm | | | |
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There he is, the cheeky old chap. Holding the deformed old pike that lives in that area. Next time you go in the shop, remind him you saw a pike he had caught, that you were told looked a bit like him
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#17 10 Dec 2018 at 8.05pm | | | |
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Yeah of course he does  I’m getting old lol!
I spoke to him for the first time in years about 18 months ago, I was down that way for a funeral, and called in the shop on the way back.
Amazing shop, they still had the old one last time I saw him.
Don’t hear about the real big pike much now.
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#16 10 Dec 2018 at 7.51pm | | | |
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He owns the Tackle Box in Dartford with his brother. Loves his pike fishing, goes to Chew a lot. I love winding him up, and telling him they are not 'proper' .
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#15 10 Dec 2018 at 7.50pm | | | |
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Thanks mate. I'm going carp fishing at 12pm really, either tonight or tomorrow. I get people who find out where I'm fishing these days though, and it gets busier as they want to catch them to. So, don't tell them. I'm a pike fisherman now, between me and you. Even when they think I caught them recently, it was a month before in reality. Gotta play the game. I don't have long now.
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#14 10 Dec 2018 at 7.47pm | | | |
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Thanks Mark
The name Gary Peet sounds familiar too
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#13 10 Dec 2018 at 7.40pm | | | |
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Happy pike fishing mate
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#12 10 Dec 2018 at 7.39pm | | | |
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Thank you mate. My name is Mark, it's a long story .
Never personally, I love sardines. I pre bait with them, so I like to use them on the hook. My friend who caught the 32lb8oz is a real pike guru. He caught that on a mackerel. I like mackerel too, but prefer sardines for connivence. I prefer bigger baits, I want to catch lumps. That's what I always think anyway mate. My friend Gary Peet brought smelt, he had a 15lber, and I had a 26lb10oz that day on sardines. Who knows, but when it's not broke, there's no need to fix it is always my thoughts.
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#11 10 Dec 2018 at 7.29pm | | | |
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Lovely fish there PJ, do you ever use smelt? I remember they were a good pike bait at one time.
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#10 10 Dec 2018 at 7.22pm | | | |
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They are not, nothing current anyway. I'm a pike fisherman now you see mate
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Some belters mate, when are the carp pics going up
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Yes, I love them, can't wait till Christmas! The best move you will ever make is changing from lures to dead baits. These were all caught, with many others from the river Thames, on dead baits. The one on the mat is 32lb8oz, caught by my friend. That monster, would chew five Chew 40lbers for breakfast, bitch slap them, the poor young things. Try pre baiting for them first a few days before. It works really well.
Bait wise, best advice I can give is go to Waitrose. Every shop that has a wet fish counter sells them, just not on the counter, you need to ask. They keep them in freezers out the back. 1kg bags of frozen sardines. Blast frozen, you get around a dozen in a bag for approximately £4.50. These are always excellent quality, never anything else.
Sardines are a lovely bait, oily and wash out in freezing cold water.
WHITE BOAT ALERT Bivvywrecker lol.
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#7 22 Sept 2018 at 11.43am | | | |
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Personally I only use Delks when Pike fishing as no line movement is req to get a indication. When I used Fox alarms years ago I always fished with a float 'laying on' and on a run rig, so any nibble got magnified by the float and was pretty noticeable. I think in all the years I've probably struck more Pike without any indication from a alarm than I have with a bleep, by a big margin (because I had non vibe alarms for longer than I had those with it). The Solar bite floats still sometimes come up on EBay, another handy cross over from Carp fishing when not using a Pike float.
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#6 21 Sept 2018 at 8.44am | | | |
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Sister site pike forum uk. Use semi barbed trebles i.e only one of hook barbed these go into the bait. upper treble in tail root bottom treble no more than half way down the bait to help avoid deep hooking. Hit runs as soon as possible lost pike better than a dead one.
One last thing if you do deep hook a pike slow steady hard pull will extract t he gut allowing you unhook or cut hook at the bend. The gut will retract never cut the line
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#5 19 Sept 2018 at 10.37pm | | | |
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I live right on a canal here in Devon and have only fished the canal, Somerset drains and a couple small venues around the area.
Don't need to cast very far but will check that rig out. 👍. Going for a pb this winter as I broke my carp pb a couple months ago.
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#4 19 Sept 2018 at 5.53pm | | | |
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If there was one thing I'd advise, is to learn how to use a drift float.So underated and underused.I have used it to great effect on the big Irish loughs.It allows you to cover so much more water than static deadait fishing.No need to worry about what way you mount your bait,head down is fine,and casts a lot better.Nothing better than seeing the vane dissapear at 100 odd yards.A decent pair of binoculars is handy
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#3 19 Sept 2018 at 4.37pm | | | |
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Yep I agree, I always hit them as soon as I can.
Keep it nice and simple then. I just saw a rig online that Mick Brown uses, it looks like a hell style rig and quite simple.
Thanks dude 👍
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#1 18 Sept 2018 at 11.48pm | | | |
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Looking forward to doing some pike fishing this winter. I always lure fish for them and this year fancy trying some dead baiting. Any tips on rigs and bait etc would be appreciated. I will be using buzzers so not worried about Floats etc.
Tight lines 👍
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