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   Sinking Braid - Gardner Hydro Sink or Fox?
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   Old Thread  #21 23 Oct 2018 at 2.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting post, thank you. I'm new to using briad and have started to use the Hydra-sink for my fishing in France, I spooled up with it a couple of years back and have been to France twice a year since. I also found that the braid got faided by the sun but sank well and was very strong. It was good to cast as long as kept wet. My only reservation is that on 2 separate occasions the braid has been cut straight through fairly easily, I'm not sure if the first was by a pike attacking silver fish by the braid but the second time was shortly after the take so maybe it was laid accross something sharp on the bottom.. Is there a braid that is more resistant to being cut through or should I be considering using very long snag leaders and, if so, what might be my best options?
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   Old Thread  #20 22 Oct 2018 at 12.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ooooops...Sorry about that. Post edited to show the correction.
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   Old Thread  #19 22 Oct 2018 at 12.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yards not metres though Ken
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   Old Thread  #18 22 Oct 2018 at 12.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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After reading your comments, Chuffy, about hitting 120 yards using 15lb braid, I take back my comments about sinking braids not casting well. Clearly they do...Just not in the hands of this cack-handed caster!
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   Old Thread  #17 21 Oct 2018 at 4.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well you won't get a more informative answer than that!

I can add that I have been using Hydro Sink but the 15lb version, unless you are fishing Rainbow or wanting to stop a barge on the Thames I can't see the need to go to the 22lb version. Abrasion wise it deals with heavy weed no problem, in fact the only time it showed any wear was when I got the rods in a knot and ended up having to pull both rigs in and a weedbed from range, the wear was where the two lines had been rubbing together as far as I could tell.

Distance wise I have been maxing out at 120 and that's casting stood in the lake where I can't step into the cast as I'd disappear down a shelf , so as a sinking braid I'd say it casts really well. It definitely sinks like a brick as well, needs a little encouragement to break the surface tension like all lines but then off it goes towards the deck. So much so in fact I have had to order a neutral braid for when fishing beyond weedbeds, it pulls back out of them no problem but why make life hard for yourself.
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   Old Thread  #16 21 Oct 2018 at 4.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Having used various 25lb sinking braids almost exclusively over the past 12 years including Nash Bulllet, Fox Submerge and Gravitron, Gardner Hydro-Sink and Wychwood Epic brands I think I can be subjective on the subject.

I did not really get on with the Epic, as I didn't like the colour. However, I caught using it so I guess the carp didn't mind. I used it for one season on one set of reels, and used Fox Gravitron on another. Both preformed as expected with little discernible difference between the two. The Wychwood sank a bit better than the Gravitron but that's just a minor detail.

The original 25lb Fox Submerge was awful, but the Gravitron was OK. Then the new Submerge Plus came out and it was a different story. Where the original was crap the new one was superb. However, about three years ago they changed it again from what was a very decent sinking braid into a wire-like nightmare. The 25lb stuff is 0.16mm which IMO is far too thin for safe fishing. I used the 40lb ( 0.20mm) version for a year before switching it in favour of the Gardner stuff.

Hydro-Sink has a stated breaking strain of 22lb but that is with a straight forward linear pull. If it breaks at all it will go at the knot and at about 40-42lb, so plenty strong enough.

Nobody could ever call a sinking braid a good casting line. Bullet was pretty awful in that respect. The current Fox Submerge being so fine does cast well but you need to ensure it is soaking wet or wind knots will occur. I cannot in all truth call it a proper sinking braid either as I found it needed to be encouraged to break the surface tension, while Submerge Plus and Hydro-Sink cut through it more or less straight away without the need for any encouragement. Frankly, if you want to cast a long way don't use sinking braids.

The current Gardner braid appears to me to be very similar to the Fox Submerge Plus, which I liked a lot. For the past three years I have been on Gardner Hydro-sink and it has been excellent. It is loaded on all three sets of reels, Fox FX11, FX9 and Shimmy Techies.

All the braids I have used become sun-kissed. I still catch when they have lost a bit of dye but I feel a bit uneasy using them. I therefore colour mine for the first 40-50m with marker pens. I cannot tell you it makes a difference but I feel a bit more confident in the coloured line.

I know there are better braids out there but for my type of fishing the Gardner Hydro-Sink is excellent and I can recommend it wholeheartedly. Bear in mind that I fish very slack lines where I can get away with such a tactic and the Hydro-Sink does exactly what it says on the tin..It sinks!

I have also used a braid which I believe is termed neutral buoyancy, namely 53lb PowerPro (actually a more realistic b.s. would be about 45lb). I use this for one specific purpose and that is to fish on a certain section of the River Lot in France where the bottom is hard and sharp and the last thing I want it for the line to sink. I therefore fish in a similar manner to the Rainbow anglers, using a very buoyant float to hold the line up off the bottom. The line 'my side' of the float does not come into contact with the river bed, a long Quicksilver abrasion leader taking on the task of resisting all the river bed can dish out.

This is probably TMI but as I am at a loose end more often that not, I can find the time to write in a bit more detail. here are a few pix, which I hope will help.

Original Fox Gravitron and Wychwood Epic.



2nd generation version of Fox Submerge. Great braid on a terrible reel!



This is the newest version of Submerge. Way too fine for my liking



22lb Hydro-Sink.



22lb Hydro-Sink on FX9



Sun kissed Hydro Sink on FX11.



22lb Hydro-Sink on a Shimy coloured with marker pens.



Hydro-Sink slack.



PowerPro 53lb with long Quicksilver abrasion leader.



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   Old Thread  #15 21 Oct 2018 at 3.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #14 21 Oct 2018 at 2.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It casts okay Goose. Any sinking braid has extra fibres woven in to make it sink. So it's thicker, therefore it does not cast quite as well. It still casts great, I prefer it a bit thicker myself, it stops the wind knots. I think it's the best braid on the market. I've had 3 x 600m spools on three longcast spools for a few years now. You can probably gather from that, I don't cast it too much. It ages well enough, loses a bit of colour, but they all do. It sinks well.
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   Old Thread  #13 21 Oct 2018 at 2.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What's 22lb hydro like for casting distance.
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   Old Thread  #12 21 Oct 2018 at 12.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Thanks for this info. I am making the change from a Korda mono next year to braided mainline. I fish tight to islands at my go to venue and having the zero stretch is going to save me overcasting into trees!

Was tempted to go with the Korda braid, but the Gardner may be the line of choice now
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   Old Thread  #11 2 May 2018 at 1.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'd only ever use mono now if rules dictated...
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   Old Thread  #10 1 May 2018 at 9.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice one you won't be disappointed
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   Old Thread  #9 1 May 2018 at 7.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ordered the Gardner Hydro Sink earlier
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   Old Thread  #8 1 May 2018 at 5.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This season after loosing 2 fish the stretch in mono on linch hill last year and them making a snag I've put Gardner hyro in the highest breaking strain think it's 22 but not sure .fished with 14ft fluro leader and now I'm a total convert I'd hate to go back to mono and dreading going to a venue where I have to get the mono spools on .total game changer for me no issues with wind knots or anything as long as you wet the spool .get on it
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   Old Thread  #7 1 May 2018 at 9.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I used the Gardner braid and loved it!
Still have it on two small reels.
I've also just loaded the Ridgemonkey braid onto my SS2600's - After its first use it performed well. However, time will tell. The Gardner braid I've used for two years now and don't have a single complaint about it.
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