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   Old Thread  #257 13 Feb 2018 at 7.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #256 9 Feb 2018 at 5.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's such a worry mate...I found a small jack pike today...very fresh, well chewed...couldn't say by what as it had been chewed right to the back bone, which isn't classic otter marks...may be a cormorant had it, spat it out during flight and the rats etc had a chew...I'll never know I guess...just makes your stomach churn...
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   Old Thread  #255 9 Feb 2018 at 5.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know that feeling Joss. I've got one of the PAG cameras on loan, I've been checking it each morning & they're regular as clockwork. Out of the river at 2am then off around site looking for a route in. Back in the river at 2:30. Got Monday off work to get some fortifications done as I've found a few weaknesses.
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   Old Thread  #254 9 Feb 2018 at 5.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks mate..

I also walk my lake daily, dreading what I might find, even with it being fenced...
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   Old Thread  #253 9 Feb 2018 at 4.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Joss, i fully understand, and sympathise mate, and as iíve said many times before, you are all doing good things, and a sight more than anybody else on the matter.

I think i am just going to do all i can do, which involves, a few prayers, fingers crossed, and the occasional burying my head in the sand, hoping it will never happen to me.
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   Old Thread  #252 9 Feb 2018 at 12.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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mate, its the most frustrating topic I have ever got involved with..it drives me insane, especially of late!!

I get that many phonecalls, txt, e-mails, pms etc regarding this and I so wish I could offer a more concrete solution.

There isn't one....

fence, or loose your stock at some point!

if you cant fence, there is currently no means of legal protection.

do I think there should be more help...YES of course I do...what help?

less restrictions on fencing waters, less red tape

more education surrounding otters is needed, for anglers and non anglers

are otters over protected...definitely!

should we drop the protection and what will that achieve?

well...my take on it..

drop protection of otters....what will it achieve...not a lot I suspect apart from every fishery owner applying for a shotgun licence and loads of dead otters with a massive backlash towards angling from non anglers, then the otter will be straight back on the protected species list...and we start again

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   Old Thread  #251 9 Feb 2018 at 8.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah, i know Les from way back mate, the Carp Cellar etc, although havenít spoken to him in a long time.

Thatís very sad about the fish mate, and these findings are a stark grissly wake up call, and a reminder, that the otter problem is very real. Yet still very little being done about it.

Iím wracking my brains trying to think of something, that would gather ground quickly in this nightmare. Iím constantly being told, iíd be wasting my time though?

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   Old Thread  #250 9 Feb 2018 at 8.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can't take away the history surrounding Redmire Steve but it's such a shame the water is a pale shadow of what it once was, I fish with someone who has known Les Bamford since the 80's also another friend of mine knows him well and helped out with a few carp stockings so over the years I have been told a few bits and pieces and have an understanding of things that have gone on at the lake.

A few of the remains of what was found of the fish at the day ticket lake that holds carp to 36lb (not Redmire).

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   Old Thread  #249 8 Feb 2018 at 10.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had heard rumours of predation at Redmire Ian, and some i spoke too played it down.
Really is a bloody shame.

I know what you mean about local fishing, i was lucky in having many good waters on my doorstep, or not far away. I still used to like a change though, so did travel around quite a bit.

Since getting back into it, i want to fish local again now, because of limited time etc but, many of the clubs and syndicates i once took for granted, now have long waiting lists, and at my age, by time iíll get an interview, iíll have a zimmer frame!

Then, one water that is dear to me, i managed to get a ticket for again, and finally decided to tackle it again, for old times sake, it had an oxygen crash, and massive fish kill.
It took years to get back from the last fish kill in the 90ís.
I was trully gutted, i can imagine how people feel when the otter strikes now. To have everything taken, in one swoop, and not being able to do anything is awful.

Iím doing a bit of long distance angling again now, which iím enjoying apart from traffic. Might be moving soon too, so new challenges hopefully.

Never fished Redmire, although stood on the banks there twice. I didnít feel the magic there though, as i think thatís long gone.

Lovely water though, amazing in fact, back in the day, and a lovely part of the world you live in, which should have an abundance of good angling, instead of the doom and gloom.

I do honestly feel for you mate.
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   Old Thread  #248 8 Feb 2018 at 10.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not far at all as the crowflies Steve probably less than 5 miles about 8 or 9 by road, Redmire has been predated for sometime now.

I've done my days of travelling to lakes around the Uk and I've been quite happy fishing locally the last few years but everywhere around Herefordshire is getting predated, very very sad times.

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   Old Thread  #247 8 Feb 2018 at 9.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I should like to add a welcome to Dave Webb on here. We may be on the other side of the coin, so to speak, but I will always acknowledge a reasonable man, and Dave does appear to be such a person.
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   Old Thread  #246 8 Feb 2018 at 9.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So, what do you suggest Dave, i mean apart from the legal trapping in the confines of a fenced water?

Are there other plans, or ideas in place? The otter is eradicating fish, birds and small mammals, at an alarming rate, and nobody apart from possibly some under the radar, are doing anything? think smiley 32
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   Old Thread  #245 8 Feb 2018 at 8.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree, I am fully aware that some are dealt with under the radar - everyone knows that!

It still isn't the solution - its just an act of frustration that will eventually lead to someone being fined or imprisoned
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   Old Thread  #244 8 Feb 2018 at 7.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ian, youíre absolutely right mate, about what happens to poachers.

It seems to be like that, anywhere that has good salmon runs. I used to do a bit of work for a family, who had a nice stretch of the Test. Salmon, sea trout etc were there in good numbers. My mate and me were often invited to fish, great days on there.

Then we found out how they dealt with poachers, turns out they were a well known, no nonsense family, and they had a lot of security blokes on their books.

Same on parts of the Spey, Tay, Tweed and Dee etc. They deal their own justice on poachers. I fished the Spey many moons ago, and our ghillie told me what happens to poachers, or anything else that helps itself to the stock, uninvited.

Thatís a real shame about the local lake mate, just reading your post made me sad and frustrated. Is it far from Redmire? As i guess they could easily discover that too in time?

Bloody terrible state of affairs, like the petition, i get that it probably wasnít as well thought out as it could have been. I honestly believe their intentions were good though, and they are probably very frustrated like lots of us.

Not sure what weíre supposed to do, wait for the otter to eat everything, then quit fishing, we wonít even be able to sell our gear, as it will be of no use to anybody?

We could all join an otter watching club?
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   Old Thread  #243 8 Feb 2018 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can relate to the Salmon Poaching Steve as the Wye was heavily poached and some of the punishments handed out to those that were caught are unprintable, they were always one step ahead of the authorities but the land owners were a bit sharper same with the deer poaching.

I got word yesterday from a good friend that one of the day ticket waters near Ross on Wye that holds carp to mid 30's and probably the best venue around here for fish of that size for open access lake fishing has been predated by an Otter in the last day or two, he was walking the banks and found the evidence yesterday.

Unfortunately the guy who owns and runs it is in for a shock when word gets about as he will go from a very busy day ticket to a ghost venue, its a natural water that nobody really knows how the stock got put in there but the owner has had a good run of taking money on the bank, the problem now is that's all he was in it for (opportunist profiteering) a fence wont be happening as it means spending money also restocking means spending money so again it wont be happening, its a shame as the specimen carp fishing around here is pretty poor I can only think of one fenced fishery in and around our neck of the woods.
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