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   Old Thread  #151 23 Mar 2017 at 5.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I wasnt convinced by my maths either! think i had got the KG and LB mixed up when doing it in my head!
I agree the fish are smaller, but i certainly wasnt lacking big fish and also had a large number of fish. I hooked a fair few more too. I think Gilhams needs to introduce some more fish - perhaps siamese carp around the 40-80lb mark to increase the catch rate. Not a runs water by any means, but 6 fish in a week wouldn't please me.

Ive never understood saying you have world record fish when they have never been claimed / verified?
Surely with the amount of Arapaima that are caught (i agree with you there) the big one that is supposedly in there would have been caught by now. They are the snaggy, mazy lakes where fish can get lost for years. - like a wraysbury.
I will happily retract my statement when this fish is caught...

Arapaima are stocked at fairly large weights. There are traders that have offered fish over 400lb for sale. It is difficult to transport them and its alot of risk for the money involved. completely agree.
Most venues use the stock ponds now, but they are only beginning to introduce the fish. These large initial fish had to come from somewhere, i can assure you not all of them were grown on!

I do like the attitude of protection regarding the fish, Jurassic has the same policy regarding handling.

I will be out there this year, and will catch a 300+ mekong for sure. I didnt fancy them last time as they are a bit easy to hook. The fight will be a laugh though
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   Old Thread  #150 23 Mar 2017 at 4.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We did indeed!
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   Old Thread  #149 23 Mar 2017 at 4.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think from your post on Jurassic Mountain, very good write up and excellent pictures by the way , that you had 43 fish and a total weight of about 1,800lb that puts your average at around 42lb not 82lb. The average stamp of the fish in Jurassic Mountain is not comparable with the average stamp of the fish in Gillhams. Jurassic Mountain also does not hold the numbers of fish of world record size that Gillhams does (regardless of whether or not they can be claimed) and that is part of what the premium you pay to fish at Gillhams is for. So I agree you are likely to catch more fish at Jurassic Mountain but the average size of your fish will be bigger at Gillhams.

I also do not think you are on the mark with the comments about the arapaima at Gillhams; my understanding was that the Arapaima in there have grown on to that size over the years, and there are 500lb+ arapaima in there, having been stocked at smaller weights (the logistics of transporting and then stocking 500lb+ fish and especially fish as easily stressed as arapaima which can be prone to heart attacks makes the suggestion all the more unlikely) - Gillhams has a stock pond on site beside the main lake, which you see when you are there, in which they grow the next generation of arapaima on (you cannot fish for these). In my experience there was no fish they were more protective of than the arapaima; no lifting at all so as not to damage the bone in the back that can break easily (only allowed to tilt the fish in the water), minimum of time with them in the water to keep the stress to a minimum, no long rigs to prevent deep hooking etc etc - there were a lot out the week I was there not one of the fish I saw returned did not return strongly and there were no signs of any injured or dying fish that I could see in the 10 days I was there. In my view Gillhams does everything it can, other than not allowing fishing for them, to try to protect its arapaima -

The striped catfish you had sounds like a lovely fish, good angling, never had one of those and would love to but if you did not get a Mekong then the Mekongs alone are worth going back for; by far the most powerful freshwater fish I have ever encountered.
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   Old Thread  #148 23 Mar 2017 at 11.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i too loved Gilliam's and the surroundings, was not easy but what water is which is pressured.

The only thing which did annoy me was the bait situation.. So per day you 3 kilo of bolies and a tub of chicken feed, which at first seems ok but the moment I started fishing the guides told me not to use the bolies or chicken feed as at the moment only 6mm pellets are working which I cannot remember the price of.. Something like 20 a bucket I think so I had to purchase this every day, I was only there for 3 days and spent approx. 70 on the pellets and gave away for boliles as hardly used any of the 9kilo given to me.

apart from this and the limited end tackle on site at the time I was there, would highly recommend.
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   Old Thread  #147 22 Mar 2017 at 10.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Gillhams is a very special lake and yes its a bit expensive but you are not just paying for the fishing, its the surroundings too, and the chance of catching a fish of a lifetime.
to go to France these days cost a fortune.
the 200 a day covers bait, tackle, accommodation, Breakfast and all the help you want
I would say its worth every penny
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   Old Thread  #146 22 Mar 2017 at 2.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Im not saying its a horrible place to fish, far from it! - but i had 48 fish in 6 days on a venue i fished, not a single one was a Mekong and a total weight over 1.8 tonnes. Thats an average of 82lb if my maths is correct? I wouldnt say thats small fish.

I think if you are on a holiday like that you want a good mixture of runs and big fish, especially for the cash you are paying, in that respect i dont think Gilhams has got it quite right. Yes the arapaima are large, but of course they will be large if you stock them large.
Unfortunately due to the fragile nature of the fish and the constant angling pressure, they dont last long in the lakes and the stocking process begins again. Hopefully the venue has made the money back on the cost of the fish by then.
I have found them incredibly easy to catch, again this might be due to the pressure at Gilhams?
I wont go into too much detail, but if you target them in certain time frames and weather conditions then you will fish much more productively rather than sitting on your rods for days. I think i caught my 3 on consecutive days at similar times last year.

I suppose it is what you make it, if you want an easy going holiday with a load of beers and to sit by your rods in the sun then fair play. It is what you make it.

I too would recommend it - Its a great country to fish. If you can go with someone that already has knowledge you will be laughing!
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   Old Thread  #145 22 Mar 2017 at 1.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice post. You've got me interested in the place!
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   Old Thread  #144 22 Mar 2017 at 1.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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very well said Alex and what a great trip we had
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   Old Thread  #143 22 Mar 2017 at 1.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If you book in advance and get reasonable flights then the all in cost is comparable to the overall cost you would tend to rack up for two separate French trips to a commercial lake with fish to 65lb+ in a year - you are not going to get to fight five fish over 100lb over two weeks in France - there are venues in Thailand where you will catch far more than Gillhams if you are more interested in quantity of fish than the stamp of the fish and the surroundings; I racked up 20 something Mekongs in the 25-50lb bracket in 3-4 hours at Bungsamran and lost another half a dozen, it was an insane afternoon's fishing (perhaps that should be catching as there was very little skill involved other than trying to keep them away from the platforms) and I was in a lot of pain the following day. Loved every minute of it though and would definitely go back but it is not the type of fishing you would want to be doing day in day out for a week. Whereas I thought Gillhams was. Gillhams is not a catch a cast fishery; on the ten days I was on then you did have to work at the fishing if you wanted to catch most days and those working the hardest caught the most - saw plenty of day tickets turn up and blank when we were on there. There were moments at Gillhams when I was in awe of the wildlife I was seeing in front of me; I had five or six huge arapaima rolling no more than a rod length and a half in front of me for about 3 hours on the first day, these were easily 200lb+ fish but I could not buy a bite from them for love nor money on that day, I had a big stingray 100lb+ that had taken a liking to the snails in the reeds about 2 metres from where I was sitting and it would come out of the water onto the reeds to try and eat them, gave me a huge jump first time it happened but it kept on coming back every couple of hours and doing the same, I could have grabbed it with my hands it was so close - ended up positioning two rigs out of the water in the reeds in a bid to try and tempt it but no joy on that front (was fun trying though) - but yup it was an awesome angling experience with good mates and we all caught fish of a lifetime, all three of us had 350lb+ arapaima; yes I would rather have caught red tails and Arapaima in South America (but it is a lot more hassle and far less comfortable), yes I would have liked to have caught more fish (but then that is often the case when I go fishing) and yes it ruined my fishing for a month or two when I got home (found it hard to get motivated to go and do a few nights in the cold and wet for the outside chance of a 30 for a period after Thailand - which was never a problem I have had before or since) but I would recommend it wholeheartedly to anyone umming and erring about it, yes it is not cheap, yes you are not guaranteed to be get lots of fish everyday but as far as enjoyable angling experiences go it was right up there.

Glad you had a good time Marky and top effort on the big Siamese; bet you do not forget that one in a hurry!
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   Old Thread  #142 22 Mar 2017 at 8.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Im not being funny but for the amount it costs to only have 11 fish in 7 days fishing?
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   Old Thread  #141 21 Mar 2017 at 5.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just an update
Im back from my Philippines holiday and due to family and all the tons of things we did travelling island hopping etc I could not squeeze any fishing in at all
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   Old Thread  #140 20 Mar 2017 at 11.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You will find sea fishing in the Philippines, although you need to go out a long way. Not much in the way of freshwater fishing.
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   Old Thread  #139 19 Mar 2017 at 8.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok cheers
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   Old Thread  #138 17 Mar 2017 at 11.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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tied my own rigs mate.
i think was a 85lb braid. i will find out what we used and get back to you, the tackle was recommended at the brentwood carp show.
rigs were long too around 12"
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   Old Thread  #137 17 Mar 2017 at 2.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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nice one - sounds a great trip . did you tie you own rigs or use theirs ? Just wondering as I am off there in MAy
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