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   Old Thread  #208 21 Jun 2019 at 1.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not an easy water, remember, it receives full on pressure 365 days a year.

I have had more blank days there than i care to remember, that is fishing
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   Old Thread  #207 20 Jun 2019 at 11.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So you had a couple of good weeks/trips and you’re a better angler than everyone else
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   Old Thread  #206 20 Jun 2019 at 5.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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having visited GIlhams before it is not the runs fest water that people believe it to be . You have to work hard for your fish and they don't climb up the bank for you .
On arrival you are allocated a swim ( based on availability ) and you cannot move unless another one becomes available . Tough but that's the way it is.
if it is not a going swim you may struggle if the fish aren't there - like any lake they move dependent on conditions , food availability , angling pressure etc
a lot of time your fate is in the hands of the gods despite how good an angler you may or not be.
fantastic place to go and can be a trip of a lifetime but not always.
You shouldn't be criticising people who don`t " have it off " as it simply may not be there fault - we have all been there and done it and suffered bad timing :(
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   Old Thread  #205 20 Jun 2019 at 5.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I share the same sentiment. But luckily I spent most of the time chuckling.

The simple difference is that the Amazons were totally off on my visits - due to whatever the conditions were, be it shedding skin or spawning. He just hasn't processed that. (I've caught as many Asian Red Tails as he has in just 10 days) You mentioning worms reminded me – the Gardners got me some as well… I was all over that – but that wasn’t successful either.

The two fish - I was happy with my lot given the conditions / swim. 300lb Arapaima saved it for me, which was one of the couple of fish - just outside the A-Team in there. (id also had a small Asian Redtail & Nile Perch - which weren't really worth the mention) It was hard work, well over 150 pva bags, but got there in the end.

I certainly don't need to be highlighted and ridiculed in the way he did - but I don't need any sympathy or anybody to feel sorry for me. It's fishing, and I was sharing my experiences with people. I have a few large ton-up Fresh water and Billfish under my belt, and lucky to have fished in a few fantastic locations around the world. So am content that it will one day be my turn again.

Peace!
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   Old Thread  #204 20 Jun 2019 at 1.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There are periods when the red tails simply stop feeding - I also had 10ish days there a while back when the red tails simply would not feed - we caught lots of arapaimas, mekongs, siamese etc but the red tails simply were not interested - I had one on worms the penultimate day but that was it the lake was fishing fine for other species the rest of the weeks but the red tails were simply not feeding, the guides said it was because they were in a period of shedding their skin.

The whole "if you want to catch these fish you need to rethink" is as pompous as it is misguided; it is fishing and there are periods when it will fish amazingly, periods when it will fish ok and periods when specific species or the fish in general will switch off. When it is fishing tough on there then you can fish well and struggle but when it is fishing well it takes minimal skill to catch on there; you just cast out, spomb over the top, catch and repeat. You left the most important item when fishing on a highly stocked commercial lake off your list of things to think about - luck . If you turn up and you are lucky enough to find the lake is fishing normally to well then brilliant. If you turn up the night before someone is leaving from one of the swims which seems to be fishing better so that you can drop it for your stay then brilliant.

I am delighted we were really lucky when we went in that the fish, other than the red tails, were feeding well and it seems the same was true for your trips as well (so I am glad for you). But I really feel for the chap who had 2 fish in 5 days, that sucks when you are going all that way and paying a lot to fish - it sounds like he was really unlucky and the lake was just having an off period. I hope he has it off there if he goes back. I also think it would take a special kind of self-delusion for me to ever assume on a lake like that, and on a different week to the week in which I was fishing, that I caught fish and someone else did not because they were not thinking about the basics and I was. If anything I think the opposite is more likely to be true; in that I think anglers tend to focus on the basics far more when it is fishing hard than when it is fishing easy because they are doing what they can to pick up bites. As regards your not being Jeremy Wade; worse still than not having his fishing armoury (which is not to be unexpected for the vast bulk of us) might be a perceived inability to share in far more readily achievable characteristics such as his apparent (at least on-screen) magnanimity.

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   Old Thread  #203 19 Jun 2019 at 11.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Guys if you want to catch these fish you need to rethink.
You are way overcomplicating things. This is the problem with these forums. They eat anything, you can probably catch them on Haribo.

Think about:
You and your actions on the bank (motion, noise)
Tackle choice
Location of swim
Location of your rig
Bait (type and presentation)
Time of day
Weather
Other anglers

Lots more but its just food for thought!


Red tails are a pest, unless they are north of 50lb they are just a pain to be honest and end up trashing my spots.

Ive had 4 in a day of 3 seperate occasions. On one of those days i had 2 Asian red tails too.
I log all my catches so for Red Tails ive had: (a = Asian red tail)

35, 28, 35, 22, 15, 27, 15, 35, 40, 35, 25, 25, 15, 17, 25, 65, 50, 45, 45, 10, 45, 30, 65, 15a, 15a, 45, 40, 30, 10a, 15a, 50, 20, 20, 45, 40, 10a, 20a, 40, 30

This is in 21 days fishing where my rods have been in the water. However i would say 5 of those days ive actively been fishing for other species and have not had suitable tackle / rigs in the water. After the first week, i have stopped even trying to hook them as they are a bit of a pest at times.


No this isnt a wi11y waving post and no im not Jeremy Wade. The fish are there and they arent difficult to catch, take a step back and rethink.
Are you there to fish the water or are you there to catch the fish? If you want to gawp in awe at the fishery scenery, then do it on a non fishing day because when those rods are out you need your A game.

I will add that ive lost 1 on my first day and 1 around a snag that i can remember. I think there might be another one lost but thats it. They shouldnt be getting off that hook if you understand the fish and the fishing.
The same applies for Arapaima. Im amazed how many people loose, its all understanding.

Give it all the emojis if you want, if i were you id wanting to improve my understanding. Its a lot of money and a long way to go to blank. Nobody wants that bud.
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   Old Thread  #202 19 Jun 2019 at 11.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Here comes Jeremy wade....


Yes mate, it's called Fishing.


In 10 days fishing there - never seen a Amazon Redtail banked. And one of those days I've had 9 takes.
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   Old Thread  #201 19 Jun 2019 at 9.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I went out there in November and the fishing was hard, I had 7 redtails on one day for the swim next to the restaurant, that was on meat but it took me 5 days to get a swim next my bungalow, the carp were hard to catch I managed 4 carp in the week,

the top lake is good fun and worth spending an hour or 2 on its easy fishing up there and I catch, loads of juliians, packu, awaria and a snakehead. they all fight like mad on light gear, I took a 10 foot travel rod and used a penn reel with 20lb braid,

I found using a size 1 long shank hook with a 1/3 of fish worked well as the long shank stopped and bite off and helped with in hooking.
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   Old Thread  #200 18 Jun 2019 at 9.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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2 fish in 5 days? Did you forget to put a hook on the line?
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   Old Thread  #199 31 May 2019 at 12.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I caught all my redtails on luncheon meat. It is bloody expensive though if you buy it there
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   Old Thread  #198 10 May 2019 at 7.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I took 10 tins of spa, about the same around of stick of pepperoni for a 8 day fishing session there. The cats absolutely love both
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   Old Thread  #197 10 May 2019 at 5.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep defo take a few tins of spam, they will give you some springs for the spam, first time i have used them great for casting
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   Old Thread  #196 10 May 2019 at 1.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I fished a different complex
and one of the guides ( obviously after a bigger tip) said do you want to catch lots of red tails ? I will buy you 5kg of chicken breasts but you must not let bossman see lol it was cheap as chips and next day he arrived with his back pack with hid dinner in and underneath was our chicken breast
and YES !! the red tails loved it I have heard spam is a killer bait too ?
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   Old Thread  #195 9 May 2019 at 11.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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8 days sounds good , what day do you leave.
will try and go for the extra rod for sure
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   Old Thread  #194 9 May 2019 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fished there on a day session last year, first encounter with the lake fishing with 2 buddies, spent the first half and hour watching the guide tie up hair rigs! (Not ideal especially on a day trip)

Anyway we did have two hook ups, one lost an aripiama and also landed a nice red tail catfish.

Everyone knows its expensive however there are some great fish in there but its not easy. Saying that we had no choice over the swim literally had to fish were we were put, which is ok as it was the fist time there and we knew nothing about the water.

Quite a few anglers there for long stays, its well run all UK guides (which are nice)

Not really my type of water but worth a go if you are holidaying in Thailand.

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