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SamboSwimmer

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#181 2 Nov 2017 at 4.07pm

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SamboSwimmer

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#180 2 Nov 2017 at 4.00pm

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Ok chaps, after loosing most of the threads pics, and to get it back on track here are a few pics of what its all about

oldgeezer

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#178 1 Nov 2017 at 5.58am

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Im with you on this Sam the term 'Guide' is being misused and possibly miss understood

and for people that havent been there it would be easy to get the wrong idea

these folks just help with the logistics bring you food put tents up etc

they dont tell you where or how to fish in any way shape or form just in case people are getting confused
although Im guessing if you wanted help in that direction they would help ?

when I fished it I decided to move twice during my trip and I decided where and when I wanted to move these guys just did the carrying I decided what bait I wanted to use etc

I must say ANYONE thats keen on carp, fishing should consider going to this amazing location at least once in their lifetime trust me the memories will last you a lifetime and cost wise its often CHEAPER than a french trip

midlandman

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#177 31 Oct 2017 at 10.34pm

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How dare you have an opinion rivers! Haven�t we been here before?

denty

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#176 31 Oct 2017 at 8.51pm

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To be honest Paul I have read your posts and I personally don�t see any thing wrong with them and I certainly would not have taken offence to them either.
It�s certainly a place I would like to fish and I think for me a guide would be important on such a vast lake for me in my opinion. Many uncaught fish regardless of size is becoming very hard now days.

rivers

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#175 31 Oct 2017 at 7.16pm

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OK my last post on this , because quite frankly your over reacting Sam , the fact you PM me complaining , then Ken makes his post lol
Not once have I suggested that those fish the lads have caught have no merit , I wouldn't post such thing , I made it clear I understood why you use guides for such a water , and that I would not ,so would not fish such a water , my choice is it not ? Does that mean I think there is no merit lol, just to suffer the heat and lack of trees and bloody flying , gives it merit , if thats what the guys are looking for ? Personally I think merit is probably the last thing the guys who fish it ,think about , something different and an adventure must be quite high I guess ,
If however anyone that has been and posted on here is offended by anything I seem to have said ,then I apologise .
Peace and love

SamboSwimmer

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#174 31 Oct 2017 at 6.44pm

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Hello chaps
Firstly great fishing Tel, so chuffed you guys managed a few fish it's been tuff going the last few weeks so well done!

All this talk of guides makes me chuckle, I think the term 'Guide' is being misused slightly, the guys we have working on the lake each day are simply there to make it possible for people to fish this challenging and immense lake, in as much comfort and safety as possible, the environment and climate of BEO is nothing like you'd find in Europe so to draw comparisons to what you've experienced in Europe whilst carping without a 'guide' is I'm afraid unrealistic, no matter whether it's the orient in mud and wind ( a water I regard as being tuff) or any other hard continental water, BEO is still a major challenge both physically and mentally, and we have staff on the lake to make sure those that fish it are kept an eye on and are safe to enjoy the fishing and get the most out of the adventure.

As Ive stated before should anyone wish to try and drive into morocco with their own gear in a van, including boats, motors, batteries, hundreds of kilos of bait, etc etc to last a session, then you really are welcome to give it a bash, just getting into morocco and past boarder control with a van of fishing gear is near in impossible these days, then a drive from Tangier to BEO is one hell of trip, then the reality of keeping fresh food, batteries charged, remaining in good health, finding licenses and absolutely everything else that goes into a session on a big water like BEO is no easy task, morocco is nothing like Europe, everything is hard work even the smallest of tasks, life is not easy out there especially at the top of a North African mountain, in the sun and altitude.

So this attitude that it's not worthy of merit to have a guide, is a bit ott! Our guys on the lake work like crazy in some demanding conditions, to keep anglers fishing this very special place..
If you think its a case of our guides putting you on fish and wiping your arse as you just sit back and reel them in, then you've got it all very wrong, I'd be a rich man if it was that easy...

Like the thousands that climb Everest each year, the climb would not be possible without the help from local Sherpas, they make the climb possible, so equally our guides are just making the fishing possible on BEO, and there is not a single part of that, that warrants any negativity.

See some of you soon, and happy fishing to the rest of you

rivers

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#173 31 Oct 2017 at 1.25pm

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as I said each to there own Ken , I can see why they are used on far off waters , for tackle ,bait etc , it makes sense , but it's not for me , if. I had the funds and the time ,I would want to do it on my own , but that's the way I am ,and that's why I won't fish those waters (unless I get a lottery win ) I'm certainly not looking down my nose at those that do choose to be guided , it's there holiday and good luck (got that Sam )
I don't think very favourably about using guides on rivers in France though

KenTownley

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#172 31 Oct 2017 at 11.44am

Without the guides at Raduta I would have been floundering in the dark...And without your 'guidance' on the Lot, Paul, the same would have applied. We are all guided in different ways and I see no shame in accepting all the help I can get!

keeperboy

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#171 30 Oct 2017 at 8.27pm

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We loved the place even though our week was very slow. They way the guides were, the service, the hotel everything was brilliant. The lake is barren but beautiful and the fish are mint! I can imagine it�s epic when they are having it, reminds me of the st Lawrence a few years ago when you hoped your other rod didn�t go because you can�t play two high speed reel emptying carp at the same time!! I will return for sure. The only down side I can see is all the netting that goes on by the locals. I dread to think of the carp they catch and sell. But I guess it�s their livelyhood and they have been doing for years. Big old chunk of water and she can be savage at times......just how we like it though!

scaley&dark

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#170 27 Oct 2017 at 3.33am

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Hi Tel, I�m glad you enjoyed your trip

scaley&dark

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#169 27 Oct 2017 at 2.52am

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I understand exactly what you mean Rivers.
Pretty much all my fish over several trips in the early days were on maize, now with the bookies

You can choose to take in everything the guide/s may or may not tell you, or work things out for yourself, which I like to do.
But for the nice gear supplied and the guides/helpers & logistics of moving swims around the lake, it is nice to choose an area and then graft away at it, more pleasing that way.

rivers

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#168 26 Oct 2017 at 11.01pm

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Nicely put

Something I have found and been doing for many years and most certainly not on a commercial ,and neither with guides (each to there own )
The lake does look stunning , apart from what seems to be a lack of tree cover lol , and I don't believe that big fish can't be targeted ,its just harder when you can't get on the water often .

I will add my reference to using guides is not a dig , if that's the only way you can get on the water ,then you do what you have to , not for me though .

elltell

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#167 26 Oct 2017 at 10.33pm

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Hi Darren,
Couldn�t have put it better myself, come to think of it I didn�t.
Spot on and to the point, my sentiments exactly, and that�s why I will be returning again 👍👍
I�m still looking for that beautiful heavily plated mirror.
Tel

scaley&dark

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#166 26 Oct 2017 at 10.24pm

In reply to Post #161
Plenty of previous captured fish go missing for years.
It isn�t really a water where you can target the big fish specifically.
There are no big mug �tetra� fish chained to the �hot swim� like Uk or French commercials.

The beauty is when the average size of what you are catching changes for the bigger, your location is now sorted, now work it for every bite until they move off again!
Those fish are catchable, and the next one could be really special big bar of gold, or a mini bar of gold, or a priceless heavy scaled mirror


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