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In reply to Post #492
No i haven't tried that i just use an old aqua 3 season bag instead during the warmer months, its about the same weight as the techlite with extra cover removed but no where near as warm
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In reply to Post #490
I leave the single layer bag on in the summer lay on top of it and use an old trakker bed chair cover to sleep under but in the very unlikely event it did turn cold I still got the bag
and in the winter I have the Amazing Gardner bed chair cover as Im one of those people that cant do the zip up on the bag or have the door down as I am claustrophobic and Im never ever cold
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In reply to Post #491
Ever tried sleeping in between the top layer and bottom layer? That's what I do and I've never overheated. I find the bag regulates temperature very well for me, never too hot nor too cold. I do use trakker thermal cover in the coldest months but that's just because I'm often damp/wearing wet waterproofs when sat on the bed or getting things out the bivvy. That said, I do feel the cold more than I ever overheat in general
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In reply to Post #490
I cant use my techlite during the summer months i find it far too warm even without the extra zip on layer, i only use the bag from october through to may and only during the coldest spells do i use the extra zip on layer
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In reply to Post #489
Cool thanks guys. Do you find the bag warm enough?
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In reply to Post #487
Yep the standard size fits perfect
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In reply to Post #487
I have standard bag version it fits great.
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In reply to Post #486
Do you guys find the sleeping bag fits fine?
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In reply to Post #485
Yep I have the same benchmark lite and full size Techlite set up. Best bed set up I have ever had
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In reply to Post #484
I have the same set up best I have had for years! Plus the bed is so light compared to my fox one.
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In reply to Post #483
Hi I was looking at the same set up. How are you finding it?
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In reply to Post #481
I’ve literally had one arrive this morning poms and its square with no noticeable taper at the foot end, mines the olive green full size version to fit on my new Avid benchmark lite bed as recommended by the lad serving me at Johnson Ross.
Cheers
Leigh
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In reply to Post #481
cant comment on everything in the thread, but i got a compact through lockdown.
fits my bedchair perfectly, (JRC Xlite levelbed) which is a compact. the foot end does seem to narrow slightly, but only in terms of following the frame of the bedchair (ie the foot end of the ebd frame narrows sightly and isnt square footed).
Obviously i have only used it from may, and only with the single layer obviously but I've been very impressed. certainly been more than warm enough and very comfortable , and folds to nothing in the bedchair.
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In reply to Post #480
was this ever resolved Gents ? been looking at a techlite, ticks all the boxes on paper but now seeing this, ill have to somehow see one in the flesh so to speak and check the dimensions.
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In reply to Post #479
it says mummy which is confusing
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In reply to Post #478
Does the label say square or mummy?
Edit: ignore that, you already answered buddy 
@DanC, what does your label say lol?
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In reply to Post #477
mine looks very similar shape to yours, ive just got the bed out and taken pic of it on levelite and layed out flat on the floor and one of the label, ive never posted a pic on here but would send you pics via email if you want to post them (or anyone else)
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In reply to Post #475
If you look at my pic in post #465 you can see only the very end is tapered
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In reply to Post #475
The label on the new one says its a mummy bag (the one in post 467 did anyway). I agree it makes no sense mate.
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Im sure if they called it a "mummy" bag you'd get customers expecting it to be one like the outdoor industry use which clearly isnt either. I was told it was tapered in the last third to allow for the shape of a modern bedchair, which in doing so eliminates any potential cold spots. I just wish id got it last winter!
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In reply to Post #153
Deleted as the part of the thread I was responding to has also been deleted.
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In reply to Post #472
There was a chap with a Trakker RLX on this thread and the new version didn't fit.
They're awesome bags but I have no idea what you'll end up with if you order one based on the last bunch of posts. Different sizes, weights etc.
Both the Fortis and the Snugpak websites still say its a square bag. But they're clearly now not. Seems a bit of a mess tbh.
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I read this thread with interest before getting mine and im glad i got one. I think this "mummy shape" expressions is just a confusion with the tapering at the bottom. Its certainly not a mummy shape, but it is narrower at the bottom, but so is my bedchair - i think they all are? I had a Trakker bag before which wasnt tapered at the bottom and my feet tended to get cold, but i actually love getting into the Fortis one. Ive used it on the Solar Bed and also a Levelite with no issues...im also 6'5 and just under 18 stone, really cant fault it!
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In reply to Post #460
So the new fortis size bag fits the rlx superlite bed ok?
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In reply to Post #469
Defo an error of some sort mate. According to the Snugpak website even the Compact is 2470g.
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In reply to Post #468
Its like there is also an error with the label as the weight shown on mine is without the zip on outer yet it does weigh the 3 kilo with it, mine isnt a true mummy shape but it is slightly narrower at the very foot section
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In reply to Post #467
That's interesting. Weird that there are clearly two versions/shapes but you don't get to choose when you buy?
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In reply to Post #465
Ive just got my label out which is slightly different to yours it has weight as 2000g and 71 oz, colour olive ( mine is olive not camo), shape style mummy, outer fabric paratex light batch number 71F
everything else on label is the same, my bag will fit on my standard levelite the wrong way round ie the slightly narrower foot section will still fit over the wider head section of the bedchair.
It is a very warm bag its only the last two weeks that i have been able to zip the bag up without getting too warm, and thats without the zip on top layer, i haven't used it in very cold conditions just down to freezing. Throught the summer months i ended up not taking it and just using a cover.
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In reply to Post #465
Pretty sure it was just a dodgy batch that they weren't prepared to scrap mate.
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I came across this thread when I was doing some research into buying one of these bags, it nearly put me off to be honest but, I bought one anyway and look....
First of all the label says 'square' not 'mummy'
and secondly it definitely isn't a mummy style bag, it is in fact square as it says on the label
The one odd thing about them apparently not fitting an RLX but fitting an ELS due to the tapered foot end, surely, the RLX is exactly the same shape as the ELS, isn't it, well the flat 6 is anyway? 
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In reply to Post #462
That's what I did in the end but due to their incorrect info I wasted a load of time checking out if I had an incorrect bag or not as it was not as advertised. Based on the info on their site 're size ext, I bought a standard size Trakker RLX 6 plus Thermarest Pad to make the bed more comfy but overall achieving my objective of reducing weight but not losing comfort. Was I wrong to assume that a bag advertised at 95cm wide top and bottom would fit on a bed 88cm wide...No but thats how it turned out thus I wasted my money buying the bed and sleeping pad. Fortunately I was able to find an original sized bag which just about fits, although still tight.
Darren from Fortis's attitude was that I should have checked with them before buying and he suggested I buy a Levelite bed!!
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In reply to Post #461
Correct I would not be happy and I would return the bag for a refund as expect thing to be right.
Fortunately I am not in that position.
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In reply to Post #460
If you had bought it to fit a certain bed and when it arrived it didn't due to false advertising would you still be so ok with it?No I doubt you would be if you are honest
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In reply to Post #456
I took delivery of my mark 2 a couple of weeks ago.
Different DPM colour to my mk1 from 4 years ago, not a problem as not as bright.
A much neater fit on my tracker superlight bedchair than my mk1, but the mk1 still fits fine.
Just over 90cm at the head end of the bag.
YES, 70cm at the very end of the bag,
BUT, at 20cm up from the bottom of the bag I have a width of 85cm.
The 70 cm width at the bottom IMO has been caused due to the corners being slightly rounded as appose to completely square. This may actually be a bonus and eliminate cold spots.
MUMMY SHAPE BAG ? not really.
SLIGHTLY TAPERED ? YES , the last 12 inches.
AM I UNHAPPY ? NO, cracking light weight bag that will do me all year round with the flexibility of removing top layer (obvious).
Just my thoughts folks. Can't see my approaching trading standards or taking Fortis to court.
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In reply to Post #458
Mention trading standards and the two websites giving false advertisement of the product.I don't buy fortis gear as I think its ****.The glasses break the clothing fades quickly all utter crap imo
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Now guys what do you think my chances would be off contacting fortis and asking them to replace my bag with the correct size one.
Very slim i guess as i can't see snugpak making the one off to replace mine.
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In reply to Post #455
If you go onto snugpaks website it even shows a diagram with measurements and states its a square bag
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In reply to Post #454
exactly braders thats a lame excuse if you ask me  
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Clearly states one dimension width
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In reply to Post #453
Seems like the guy is full of **** to me as no way did they design them for the trakker beds
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In reply to Post #452
It should fit a Levelite as that is what it was designed for from what they told me....talk about limiting your market even more....great decision Darran Goulder.
You need to come on here and address these issues and explain because your prospective purchasers will look on here?!
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In reply to Post #451
Agree with you on the false advertisement point, and its piss poor on Fortis for not being honest with people. I guess if you have a levelite or compact bed your ok, but surly Fortis have shot themselves in the foot with this one.
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In reply to Post #450
I had it on an els bedchair mate so it was quite loose.When I first bought the bag I had it out on the living room floor to check all the stitching and zips and I'm sure it was not narrower at the bottom
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In reply to Post #449
Tony, can you remember yours being a snug fit at the bottom end or fairly loose? Genuinely be interesting to know mate
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In reply to Post #448
No but the diagram on snugpak website shows 210cm long 95cm top middle and bottom so it's false advertisement surely
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In reply to Post #447
Bought mine 12 months ago, and after reading this have just been and measured mine. I have to say I've not noticed it was narrower at the foot end as I'm using it with a trakker els bed.
But he's right it is only 70cm at the extreme foot end where it goes over the bottom end of the bed chair. One thing I will say though is, I cant say this can be described as a mummy style bag.
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In reply to Post #446
They need tell the shops design has changed and change diagram on snugpak website and the fact it says its a square bag.Then do the same on the fortis website which clearly says its not a mummy style bag also.
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In reply to Post #445
Just going by what Darran at Fortis told me. If you go and see them in the shops now, they are definately a mummy style. The one I bought and sent back measured about 90 cm at top and 70 cm at bottom. The Footend that you then should be able to slip over your bed to retain it would only stretch to a max of 87/88 cm so as I keep saying, unless you have a compact bedchair this new design WILL NOT do what it is supposed to.
Alot of people search these sites before buying so it may be best for Fortis to comment now but if they do they need to remember that I do have the emails they sent to me with their original explanations!!
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In reply to Post #444
That's a load of ******** too as the bags are supposedly made to order and I had mine less than 18months ago and it definitely was not mummy style bag.I think someone at either fortis or snugpak has messed up
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In reply to Post #443
Gerry it was a conscious decision by Fortis to change the design, the bag they are now selling is now more of a mummy shape and narrower than the size they detail in their advertising, this has been the case for about 18 months apparently.....plenty of time for them to update their details about the product you would think🤔??
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In reply to Post #442
exactly and if its not it should be reported to Trading Standards office
I have no idea what the problem is ?............. is it a case of a design alteration ?
or rubbish quality control a dodgy batch no one wants to take responsibility for ? or a loss by scrapping them ??
IMHO
they are brilliant bags I love mine and its as per the websites description ! I could not be more pleased with it
but for a bag thats one of the most expensive on the market if the sizes have all now gone to pot someone needs to step up and sort it out
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In reply to Post #437
Yes the returning of the bag is not the problem.
This is.
Handmade from start to finish in the UK, the Techlite sleeping bag boasts all the features of a traditional military bag but is manufactured with the tweaks needed to suit the overnight angler. The most noticeable difference to a regular high performance Snugpak bag is that it is not a ‘mummy’ style shape and will attach to your bedchair.
That is part of the description taken from the fortis website, and it clearly says this is not a mummy style bag.
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To be honest Snugpak clothing sizes are a bit of a lottery too
a mate tried on 2.. XL jackets at a show they were both different sizes ! one was loose and one he could only just do up !
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In reply to Post #438
If you've got a compact chair still go for one, the bags are great but only for a compact bed as the shape and size has changed.
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In reply to Post #437
It's not an issue about returning them, it's an issue about buying them and then finding out that the product is not as advertised. If you're interested read from when I first posted as all is explained.
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Glad i saw this was about to buy one 🙄
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In reply to Post #436
So are all these unhappy customers buying these bags directly from Fortis or via a tackle shop ?
I cannot see why a return in either scenario needs to a complex procedure.
Darren at Fortis has always been a very reasonable chap to deal with in my experience.
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In reply to Post #434
Absolutely not fella
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In reply to Post #433
I've been talking about the supposed larger version so hate to think how tight the compact is🤔
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Anyone buying a bag and finding its not as advertised should look here LINKY POO  
these *****s should not be allowed to get away with it
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In reply to Post #432
I recently got one of the compacts for my compact bed chair, there isnt much room to spare but it suits me absolutely perfectly. Im very happy with it and use an aqua cover over the top if i need more warmth. Value for money? No but it is nice and small and fits into the bed chair when folded easily.
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Have they ditched the compact version, and just going with this new one size doesn’t fit all?
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In reply to Post #429
Email Darran Goulder at Fortis, email address on their site. Would be interested in what reply you get. I've just used the original sized 2nd hand Snugpack I bought and really do think it's great, so in the end I got what I wanted. Really don't know what Fortis are doing changing a good bag to a bad One, they told me that they had complaints that the original ones were too loose fitting, not heard that on here, so made them narrower, really don't beleive that as the originals are still tight fitting and would have been better with bigger, more elasticated top and bottom fixings.
My advice to anyone looking to spend £200 plus on this new bag is Don't.....unless you only use a compact bed, the bag is good but is not as advertised as they are now made narrower than the spec claimed.
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In reply to Post #428
Oh know I wouldn't mislead anyone unlike Fortis, If sold the dimensions would be advertised as the size it is.
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In reply to Post #427
Hmmm, not sure selling it on to some other poor chap is the one mate. Can you not send it back?
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In reply to Post #424
Mine is 900mm top end and and 700mm ish bottom end.
So im in two minds now whether to sell it on or not and get the gardner compact bag or just go back to my goliath bag that's served me well for over 25 years.
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In reply to Post #425
Well fortis don't seem to that's for sure
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In reply to Post #424
Who knows mate!
The geezer with the problem measured his at 70 cm at the bottom
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In reply to Post #422
So are all the newer bags 20cm narrower at the foot end, or are we talking around 5cm.
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In reply to Post #422
Think you have hit the nail on the head as they have not told the shops of any design changes or that the bags will only fit certain beds
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In reply to Post #420
Imo it's all a load of bullsh*t.
- They would not redesign the bag to slash their market in half. It's commercial suicide, not gonna happen. There is no collaboration with Trakker so I simply don't believe it's now intended for the Levelite or any other bed for that matter.
- The website still says clear as crystal that the're supposed to be 210 x 95, no mention of fitting particular beds. Ergo, the bag is wrong.
My guess is they've manufactured an entire batch wrong, neither Fortis nor Snugpak will cover the cost of scrap, so they shipped them and they're coming up with what is imo a comical excuse for anyone that notices.
Just my opinion. I would be very, very interested to hear an explanation from Fortis or Snugpak.
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In reply to Post #420
I love mine but GLAD I got one of the wider ones
as a narrow one despite the fact I have a Levelite ELS I would not be happy with any less foot room in a bag !!!!!
SO MY ADVICE DONT BUY ONE !! the idiots have ruined an all ready overpriced bag by penny pinching and making it narrower shot themselves in the foot
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Update....latest Snugpack all sent back and credited. I've bought and just used a used Snugpack Techlite which is the original shape and really like it, it's the closest I've seen since the original Tails up Goliath Combi...don't understand why they have changed the shape but I believe it's short comings can be overcome by making the head and foot part more elasticated so it will fit wider beds👍
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In reply to Post #418
Correct.....or if you have a Levelite!
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In reply to Post #416
They will fit a Levelite but not much else unless it's a compact bedchair!!
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In reply to Post #414
Well il not be going for a *****pack then... il stick with my heavy old jrc jobby saved me a couple of hundred plus buying and then having to replace it... I'd rather put my money on the new Nash barrow to drag my heavy bag about tbh
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In reply to Post #413
It is true Gerry, very disappointed. Apparently changed to fit the Levelite beds but no way the elasticated foot end will now fit over any thing other than compact beds of other makes which they state the compact bag was designed for.
Maybe it"s more of a case that they weren't selling enough for Snugpack and Snugpack have dictated changes to suit their manufacturing??
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In reply to Post #412
if thats true they now will not fit a standard bed chair ?............. then they are not fit for purpose surely ??
sounds to me like the TOSSERS are trying to cut their costs by cutting down on materials ?
just like they are doing with bivvies pods etc ( the look more carpy con)
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In reply to Post #411
Just wish the new ones would fit more than just a compact bedchair!!
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In reply to Post #410
I have the snugpak and els. Along with aqua cover. Even out in minus three and lovely and warm.
Definitely a snug fit.
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If I could find a decent original size for sale I would buy it for all the original reasons I posted. They said they changed the shape as it was too loose fitting....I've not seen any negative comments about that on the originals at all??
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In reply to Post #408
I have one of the originals (no baffles) and it fits my fox flatliner with plenty of room to spare.
Just saying how I see it and think it’s an excellent bag for the weight, was plenty warm enough last night down to about 6 degrees.
Used it during some cold nights over winter and use the Trakker thermal cover when there is a frost.
I do think it’s overpriced but then again so much stuff is.
That Nash electric barrow that has just come out is mental money but you pays your money you makes your choices.
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Really didn’t rate this bag, until I twinned it with a Trakker sim. Which defeats the objective possibly.
But now It’s too hot 🥵
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And with this bag being made smaller now shouldn't this bag really be costing a little less to buy than the original sized bag, less materials and all that.
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In reply to Post #405
That's funny I sold mine with my els bedchair after only couple of uses I just prefer sleep systems.My mate bought the snugpak fortis bag after seeing mine and now hates too
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I have some advise for anyone thinking of buying one of these bags,,,,,,,, DONT!
Ive got one and wouldn't buy another at half the price.
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In reply to Post #400
I may do but wasted enough time on it now and as Devin has just said...they are now narrow at the bottom which is not what us Carp fisherman want, if we did we could by far lighter bags and pound for pound better quality from the camping world🤔
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In reply to Post #401
Should have been if the product was as described on site.....false advertising😡
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In reply to Post #399
. Kind of wished i brought the gardner compact duvet now, it's a half a kg heavier tho but bigger.
Dont get me wrong the fortis bag is warm but there is not enough foot room for me.
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In reply to Post #399
Can you not pop into a local shop with one in stock and measure it just to see if they are full of ****
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In reply to Post #398
They have said they will update their info about the product.....why wasn't this done when they changed the product. As I said earlier they implied that I should have contacted them rather than asking for opinions on this site....People shouldn't have to check if they supplied correct info. I wanted to cut down on weight as will be barrowing again next year and bought a bedchair, Thermarest sleeping pad and the Snugpack.....due to the Snugpack not being as described I have wasted my money on the bed and pad and may as well just kept what I already have.....!!😡
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In reply to Post #392
So it's your error for buying a bag that that is smaller than the stated 950mm size on there website .
Oh my days  ,there not really doing them selfs any favours on this one.
Comical tho that they have got the front to say its your error?.
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In reply to Post #396
That's cos ur tiny in every department
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It fits me n bradders Mrs in......
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In reply to Post #393
It certainly sounds like it
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In reply to Post #392
I think just fobbing you off if I'm honest if they have changed the shape of the bag why not change the diagram on the fortis website so people know what they are buying
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In reply to Post #391
Yes but but the foot section of my bag will also fit over the head or wide section of my levelite bed that isn't tapered and my bag is supposed to be one after the design has changed unless they have changed it twice.
Either that or the bags are made like some of there clothes where they just appear to guess at measurements
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In reply to Post #391
This new bag appears as though it will only fit on a compact bed apart from a standard Levelite. Apparently Fortis are suggesting the error is my fault for not checking with them😲 I thought companies should provide accurate, up to date information about their products🤔?
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In reply to Post #390
They do fit the levelite as it has a tapered foot end it was said in a previous post but if fortis have changed the design they are going lose alot of sales if don't fit any other beds on the market
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In reply to Post #389
I know they did some change to the design as a zip baffle was added probably around that time, i bought mine around 18 months ago mine has the added zip baffle but easily fits my levelite bed
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In reply to Post #388
It's not a problem getting the refund. The very annoying thing was that a water I'm going to fish next year involves a lot of barrowing so I was looking to save weight and did a lot of research. I bought a lighter bed, plus an inflatable sleeping pad as the lighter bed wasn't as comfy plus the Snugpack bag so to get the bag and then find out it has changed is very annoying to say the least. The other very annoying thing is that Darran, the MD at Fortis said that Snugpack changed the design 18 months ago almost making out he didn't know which is obviously a load of rubbish as there's no way they would change the design without speaking to Fortis first!!
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In reply to Post #387
Go on fortis's own website the dimensions are there clear for everyone to see 210 long by 95 top middle and bottom.Seems like trying to fob you off I would demand a refund as its not fit for purpose
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I'm not going to say anymore about it as really if Darran from Fortis reads this then it is up to him to explain, although I am very disappointed as the bag as described is what I wanted but I don't think I will buy another new bed just so the bag will fit properly!!
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In reply to Post #385
Ofcourse yonny, thats a bit of a lame excuse if you ask me.
I buy a bag advertised at 950mm all around that's what I expect, not 250mm shorter at the bottom end.
I doubt very much i will be buying anymore of there gear.
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In reply to Post #384
They have to be lying surely. No firm in their right mind would take a product suited to all bedchairs then re-design it to suit a tiny fraction of their market.
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In reply to Post #381
What a bizarre thing for them to have done.
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In reply to Post #381
So they are saying this bag has been redesigned to fit one particular bedchair?
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My mate has just got one and the difference is 5cm from top to bottom width. It fits his trakker bedchair very well.
Can’t see a differential of 20 cm working to well though.
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In reply to Post #380
Fortis have been back to me and confirmed that the shape of the bag was changed about 18 months ago and is now narrower at the foot end. It seems it has been designed to complement the Trakker Levelite standard bedchair as they taper quite a bit. Thus back to my other comments, if you have any other sort of bedchair that is not a compact then you will not be able to fix the bag at both the head and foot end. In my opinion by doing this they have limited their market, they did say they will amend the description to show these changes!!
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In reply to Post #379
Not as yet but have been in touch, they've emailed my pictures to Snugpack so waiting for them to come back.....either these have been made incorrectly or the spec knowingly changed...either way no where near the size advertised🤔
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In reply to Post #377
Take it you haven't heard anything back from fortis yet ?
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In reply to Post #377
Proper winter bag. Like you say extremely well made. Didn't realise they had stopped doing them
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Well I saw an unused Wychwood Morpheus Ultra 7 on Ebay and bought it for 55 quid. What a well made bag, lots of loft and well thought out and...…..it fits on the bedchair!! Don't know why they stopped making these??
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In reply to Post #373
yes I think most sleeping bags are a tight fit when you first get them my Snugpak was the same had to fit it with the head and foot section up the push them down and after a nights kip on it it perfect I wouldnt want it any other way to be honest you dont want it fitting like a used durex sliding around ..
(and yes I can still remember them days lol)
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if the cut is anything like their jackets then no two will be the same,i tried various styles and sizes at the northern angling show, no two identical jackets were the same fit in the same size..even the bloke on the stand couldnt work it out..identical sizes in camo and green were different sizes...gave up in the end.
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In reply to Post #373
That does make sense, the dimensions that Fortis and Snugpack list for this product say that it is 95 cm wide. My bed is 88 cm wide however the most I can get the elasticated foot end to stretch is 87/ 88 cm so definitely not going to fit on anything wider than a compact bed....I'm waiting to hear back if this is how they are made now but still waiting for Fortis to advise Me!!
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In reply to Post #372
Mine used too fit on my ELS although I had to fit it with the foot bit up slightly to start with! once I had the bag fitted I could push the foot section down if that makes sense.
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Mine doesn't fit over the both the head and foot section of my Trakker ELS, and just assumed this was normal?
I've had it for about a year, but will definitely be getting home and checking those measurements now.
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In reply to Post #369
And me! I use the same combo and it fits fine.
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In reply to Post #368
Thanks for that..... confirms this latest batch is not correct or is different for some reason👍
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In reply to Post #368
Same as
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In reply to Post #362
my bed is L214cm x W88cm fits perfect ( Trakker ELS bed-chair )
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In reply to Post #366
I think the Trakker beds are all slightly tapered, The sleeping bag will just fit on the end but won't pull down o to the bed very far....... and certainly can not be attached to the top and bottom at the same time.....
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In reply to Post #364
looking at the specs and pictures online..... I only JUST realised my Trakker ELS has a tapered foot end ! ( had my bag on it about 18 months )
tomorrow I will dig it out and measure it
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In reply to Post #364
Bought it last year but no longer have it as went back to a sleep system
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In reply to Post #363
The ELS is the same size as my RLX6, can I ask how old your Techlite bag is?
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In reply to Post #362
Mine 100% fitted my trakker els so not sure what's going on with the recent batch
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In reply to Post #361
In touch with Fortis so should get to the bottom of it. Went to a different shop today to have a look at another bag. The one they had was the same as mine, narrower at bottom. The max you can stretch the elasticated foot part was to about 88 cm so no way these will fit on anything but a compact bed aand yet I've read people are using them with Fox Flatliners which are 94 cm wide but would be interested to hear from anyone that has either the standard Levelite or RLX 6 (not the compact size) to see what widths the elasticated foot end is as if these bags used to fit these chairs then something has definately changed with the size of the bags....thanks fellas👍
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In reply to Post #354
That's bizarre mate. Mine is same top and bottom. I've never seen a tapered Techlite. They're advertised as a square shape, none mummy style bag.
Has to be some kind of mix-up with the labels no?
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In reply to Post #359
Mine only measures just over 70 cm at the bottom of the bag!!
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In reply to Post #358
Well I be darned, I have just measured my standard bag after hearing all this and mine is 50mm smaller at the top end and 150mm smaller at the bottom end according to the measurements from the fortis and snugpac website.
I bit all false advertising going on there I think, I new my bag was slightly narrower at the bottom but not that much 
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In reply to Post #357
Will see what the M.D of Fortis comes back with.....obviously no problem returning it but want to get to the bottom of it now as it really is a quality bag and light so we'll see👍
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Put it on the bay and calll it rare. You may make a lot of money.
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In reply to Post #355
Hi, sorry didn't want to cause a lot of fuss with the thread but yes it is a double zip and olive, all appears as it should be apart from the size😔
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Not read the whole thread but does your bag have a double upper layer?
Green or DPM ?
What is the zips arrangement ?
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In reply to Post #353
Many thanks.....put mine away but measuring earlier it was about 90 at top and 70 cm at bottom....according to Snugpack site they should be about 95 cm top and bottom and 210 cm long....😁
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In reply to Post #352
It is narrower at the bottom, if i measure from the bag open close zip its approx 90cm at the top and approx 85cm at the bottom of zip
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In reply to Post #351
Is yours same width at bottom as top, mine gas such a noticeable difference?
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In reply to Post #350
ive just found the label for mine its fortis standard g2 weight 2000g/71oz colour olive, shape/style mummy ineer and out paratex, temp comfort -5 deg c 23deg f temp low -10deg c 14 deg f
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May have to keep it then😉 To be honest that's how it seems....made to wrong spec but with correct labelling🤔
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In reply to Post #347
Yes rectangular, yours may have been cut too the wrong pattern. Could be worth a bit
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In reply to Post #347
I bought the compact version last november and it fits my Fox flatliter Mk 2 compact bedchair, although it is a bit tight.
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In reply to Post #345
Yep....says Fortis Techlite.....are your bags rectangular because this definately is not!!
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In reply to Post #342
That's what I've read that they will fit Flatliner, this bag I have been sent is definately a Mummy type bag when it shouldn't be, head end fits fine but foot end far narrower and won't fit. Interesting one🤔
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In reply to Post #341
Does it have a little fortis tag near the top of the bags zipp pull? Wondering if you’ve been sent one of Snugpack,s other bag models?
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Sorry Devon, have pictures and have sent to Fortis, I don't use this site much so not set up to easily up load pics but believe me, I think I'm a fairly intelligent chap and what I've got is not as ordered or described.👍
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In reply to Post #341
Any chance you can post a pic up on here of the bag ?
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I have the same as you without mummy and mine fits on a Fox flatliner just
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As I said I did a lot of research before buying this as I always do and "I" did buy the right product as described but it is not Correct. I am in contact with Fortis and have emailed them images and measurements so will see what they come back with. I had read on here that they will fit Trakker RLX 6 and Fox Flatliner, I have both these beds and neither are the wide versions BUT the Fortis Snugpack Techlite Standard Olive detailed that I have Definately doesn't fit!!
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In reply to Post #339
With all due respect old geezer, the bag I have just had delivered IS a mummy type bag
well thats as maybe but it it should look like this or could be plain green so I really dont think you have bought the correct one ?
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Thanks for your replies fellas...
Says om Label:
Fortis Standard G2
Olive
MUMMY !!
God knows what I've got but hope I've been sent something that's wrong as I want it to be right😁
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In reply to Post #336
It should say on the stuff sack what version you got buddy
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With all due respect old geezer, the bag I have just had delivered IS a mummy type bag....far narrower at foot end than head end, all says Snugpack Techlite on Labels so really don't know what I've been sent ...anyway I'm in contact with Fortis so will see!!
Will post their reply as am really happy with the quality all at bit strange as to what I've got!!
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In reply to Post #331
Its NOT a mummy type bag ??? my bed is L214cm x W88cm fits perfect ( Trakker ELS bed-chair )
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In reply to Post #331
Maybe you have been sent the wrong bag, i have a the standard fortis techlite bag and it easily fits my levelite bedchair
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In reply to Post #331
The snugpak fitted the trakker els bedchair I had no problem at all.I would check you have been sent the right bag
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In reply to Post #331
They must've changed the design or you've been given the smaller version by mistake.
I've the standard size and an RLX bed chair and it its perfectly. No problems at all. I'd double check what you've been sent or take it up with Snugpak directly.
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Fortis Snugpack Techlite Standard
After what I thought was quite a bit of research I have just had delivery of one of these bags. I had one of the very original Tails Up Goliath Combi Bags which 20 years ago were nearly 200 quid and were brilliant.
I looked at the Snugpack because I wanted quality but also a warm light bag. The bag is said to be 95 cm wide by 210 cm long which I thought would be ideal for my Trakker RLX standard bedchair which is 88 cm wide.
Rightly or wrongly I presumed the Snugpack Compact bag was for the narrower bedchairs and that this larger standard version would fit a mid sized bedchair like the Trakker RLX.
After initially looking at this sleeping bag it is obviously good quality, well made and light which was everything I wanted with it being able to be fitted to the bedchair top and bottom.
I then tried to fit it to the bedchair and have to say I am very disappointed and angry. The Sleeping bag will attach at the head end, however because it is more of a mummy type bag the foot end is far too narrow to fit on the bedchair.
This 2 sized bags are only suitable for a narrower type compact bedchair, nowhere in any advertising does it say this and until they change the design then their market is limited.
This is a shame as it appears to be agreat bag but will only attach both head and foot end on a narrow bedchair and is no good to me as the purpose for the attachments is so the bag doesn't twist during sleep.
Really thought this would have been picked up in the year of development and testing that I read somewhere!!
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In reply to Post #329
yes but you have to sleep straight out, which i don't do
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In reply to Post #328
The whole idea of the central fixing points top and bottom of the bag , was if you wanted to sleep on your side the mummy bag would roll with you
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In reply to Post #327
I had brief use of the Aqua one I think. Didn't this have the zip in fleece lining and a very thin hollow fill nylon outer.
Mine went back after 2 uses as the outer hollow fill was very sparse to say the least and the fleecy liner kept gripping to clothing. Aqua checked it and said it was fine and asked if i wanted it back. Bearing in mind it was cold in the autumn, my reply i wont print here.
it also had fixing points centrally, centre of head and feet so unless you slept on your back straight out it was like being in a hammock with no movement.
I dont fix my mummy bag and can sleep on back, front or side curled up or straight out with no attachments and the zip moves with the bag and stays central on my body....... maybe i'm strange but it works for me
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In reply to Post #326
I am talking about a purpose made mummy bag with crash zip in the middle and facilities to mount on a bed.
Surely it would be better
Yeah I'm surprised no-one's come up with one tbh mate. That said, you'd be talking about a bag specifically for winter use, and it'd likely be pricey for using just 4 months of the year.
Already been done by Aqua
(I think Trakker also made a version filled with duck down insulation called the "Big Mother")
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In reply to Post #325
Yeah I'm surprised no-one's come up with one tbh mate. That said, you'd be talking about a bag specifically for winter use, and it'd likely be pricey for using just 4 months of the year.
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In reply to Post #314
I am talking about a purpose made mummy bag with crash zip in the middle and facilities to mount on a bed.
Surely it would be better!
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In reply to Post #323
Maybe it works for Wally.
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In reply to Post #318
There was some wally on here a while back who said they slept in their sleeping bag whilst wearing a sasquatch jacket there's different metabolisms then there's just plain stupidity.
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Well my techlite will be arriving tomorrow  and if its as warm as my tails up goliath bag that iv had god knows how many donkey years I will be happy with that.
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In reply to Post #320
I have the same problem of being hot in bed usually on a cold night whilst fishing a quick walk up and down the bank to get the heart rate going then strip down and into bag, toasty as anything 
Have never had a problem with Snugpak zips, touch wood, and hopefully this lasts. Don't know if the techlite has the same zip!
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In reply to Post #319
As I have mentioned before, metabolisms
I generate a lot of heat and a t-shirt or thermal top and trousers is all I need.
Dare I say it, those who carry a little extra weight have the issue of insulation. There body fat stops heat leaving their body and thus warming the sleeping bag. the bag remains cold, they start to cool down, so wearing more layers will help...a bit.
The prime example is me and my better half. At home I sleep with nowt on and normally a foot or leg out the duvet as I get too hot. She wears pyjamas and in winter, thermals and moans of being cold.
I am slim ...and she is not  
But the easiest way to sort all of the issues is with heat pads or a hot water bottle. In days gone by a £15 argos sleeping bag and a hot water bottle was enough
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In reply to Post #318
Though i agree too many heavy layers that result in compressing the insulation is not recommended, but the "less is more" theory in a sleeping bag is far from conclusive. Different people will keep warm differently.
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In reply to Post #317
Good post and you are so right about carp bags. Their design has a long way to go before they are anywere near a mummy bags efficiency.
It's also a shame that many of today's carp fisherman have not been educated into what not to wear in a bag if you are cold. I see so many people out there climbing into their bags in the same clothes they were wearing outside in the cold. Big heavy jackets and loads of layers.
It's the same theory. Less is more and the less clothes you wear inside a bag the more efficient your bag will warm up from your body heat.
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In reply to Post #310
Mummy bags are far warmer.
I continue to use my issue "arctic" bag which has a central crash zip. Never had an issue with it, but I am used to it I guess.
I have recently purchased a Fox ERS 3 season bag because I thought I would try the "carpy" bags for a change and because I got a very good discount.
With it attached to my R2 bedchair, I cannot "wrap up "in it and I get a large gap down my back, with a draft. Feet are also cold, and when you move around, you find more cold spots.
I do like the "quick exit", and because of that, I will keep the bag, but I will only use it on relatively warm nights.
I have always said on various forums across the years that anglers generally do not know how a sleeping bag works, and they buy the biggest one they can, thinking it will keep them warm.
Mummy bags are warmer because they minimise "unheated" air. A large bag needs more body heat to warm the air, creates cold spots where the upper and lower materials meet and leaves big gaps around the person inside.
I still say that angling bags still have a long way to go before they become efficient.
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In reply to Post #315
I agree the zips should be better mate but I've not had any issues with them, guess I've been lucky.
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In reply to Post #314
The same can be said about the £230 snugpak though, when the zip doesn't open as it should. It is the one thing that needs changing about the bag IMHO, and for the bag that cost me that much it should not have this issue, they are definitely not 'crash zips'.
I had an original Trakker Big Snooze, cost me £50 and the zips were brilliant on that, so don't see how they have created this design flaw for a premium product when it is something that clearly does not cost the earth to get right.
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In reply to Post #312
The difference is how difficult it is to get out of the things in a hurry. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one on here that used to use mummy bags back in the day. I have not forgotten the panic when you're trapped inside, rolling around with the zip done up to the top in the middle of winter and the bloody alarm's screaming. Absolute nightmare.
Makes me think back to Micky Gray's chapter on Ellis in Tel's second book where he's trying to burst out of one like the hulk. Classic. I can so relate to that.
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In reply to Post #311
Why not? What's the difference?
Hood top and bottom to hook on the bed.
I like the look of the ones that had the zip down the top centre instead of the side's.
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In reply to Post #310
The Techlite is for a specific market too - carp fishing!
I agree mummy bags are warmer mate but not as practical for angling imo.
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In reply to Post #309
Yes but the dual bags produced by Snugpak are for specific markets whether it be mountaineering or Arctic Warfare, i myself have the special forces double bag and its not unusual for me to fish December, January and February with the bag undone as its to hot!
i think the mummy style keeps the heat in better without the empty space around hips, legs and feet. if you can cope with the mummy style, IMHO, it is miles better.
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In reply to Post #308
Whilst I agree the Fortis name adds money to the products, it has not added £100 to the Techlite.
If you look at the Snugpak range of bags, they do a couple where its a "dual bag" system giving a 3 and 5 season options. They are both over £300. The Techlite in Olive is a reasonably priced bag for what you get.
However, the idea that a DPM version should cost more than an olive one is ludicrous! When the British Army dropped it as a camo, the market was flooded with very cheap material. Snugpak could not give DPM jackets away at the time. They were left with a huge stockpile of "useless" DPM pertex that sat on the shelves gathering dust.
Along come Fortis.....rest is history....a new outlet for unsellable material.
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I got mine second hand hardly used cuz the guy said he was too cold in it????
Can't understand why Snugpak don't sell it direct, Fortis have just piled a £100 on the price.
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In reply to Post #306
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In reply to Post #305
All right, deep breaths, I was kidding 
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In reply to Post #301
I'd say most mobile anglers give a **** Chuffy.
I don't want to be pushing kilos and kilos of kit round with me. Lighter = quicker = more effective imo. As HOOKpul mentioned, you can buy a bag as warm for half the price. It's the weight, or lack of it, I spent the extra on.
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In reply to Post #303
True
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In reply to Post #301
That depends on how far you’ve got to push it!
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In reply to Post #300
Thanks gents,
At the end of the day we are all built differently and have different metabolisms.....to that effect there will always be people that are hot and some that are colder. As long as the system you choose for your own personal circumstances works for you then there is no wrong or right sleeping bag that fits all. I think this bag, with the addition of a cover in the harshest temps (Below -5) will be perfect for me. :-)
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In reply to Post #299
But if you use a barrow who gives a ****
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In reply to Post #299
And that is the absolute final word. 
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In reply to Post #298
Yup, but it'll weigh twice as much.
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In reply to Post #296
You will be just as warm in a bag half the price.
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In reply to Post #294
yes i did, but as the posts were quite old i just wanted to get an update on how the sleep system is performing before i shell out a load of cash for it.
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In reply to Post #293
Love mine and well worth the money. I use it with a trakker underlay that attaches on the underside of the bedchair. I find it plenty warm enough and it is mega light. Highly rate anything I have bought from Snugpak.
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In reply to Post #293
have you read the thread?
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I know it's been a while since these bags came on the market, so what are the general feeling of them now they have had a fair amount of time on the bank being used by real people and not testers?
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In reply to Post #290
Ok cool, early garden testing suggested that the bag seemed pretty warm on its own. But it was a balmy 6+👍
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In reply to Post #290
Be nice if starts getting over bloody zero i wanted the cotswold one but could not find a dpm one
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In reply to Post #289
Cotswold quilted cover and the stud in fleece will be ordered soon as I like to be toasty warm if the temp drops below zero.
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In reply to Post #287
Got same bag and mat with the aqua dpm cover and its perfect for me even in coldest of weather in the uk
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In reply to Post #287
Which cover jungle blanket?
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In reply to Post #286
Mine is camo version with strap but I have the helium 3.8 and cover now. These extras do make it a very versatile all season system but it works out very expensive.
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In reply to Post #285
Tackle shop said they’d removed them now. Websites still show strap, but yeah seems fine 👍
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In reply to Post #284
Mine has no central strap and have never felt that it requires one as it doesnt move about.
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Received one yesterday, standard G2 bag. No central strap??
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In reply to Post #281
Put the helium 3.8 self inflating mattress under the bag extra comfort and insulation
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I done last night in my tech lite with the aqua cover was nice and warm with just long johns and a vest 👍 was frost on my cover and inside the brolly
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In reply to Post #275
Just turned 44 but have always felt the cold for whatever reason.
I just concentrate on other species during winter now.
Agree with other post further down about only one layer below, I have an old trakker fleece bedchair cover I'd probably put under the bag if its likely to get too cold.
Been spotted on my last water as you could drop gear off to every swim so had indulgence ss4 wide.
That's not happening now on a Barrow.
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In reply to Post #278
I actually think that the snugpak bag is fairly priced, compared to the rest of the market. I always buy the best that I can and the snugpak is the best all-rounder out there.
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In reply to Post #277
I agree mate, but then I wouldn’t go out nowadays if it was minus zero
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I have one but think it's overpriced. Prior to owning this I used a Gardner 3 season inside a tracker snooze light. Total cost 60 quid for the two bags. Total weight the same as the snugpak, folds just as small, and performs almost the same from my experience. Anyone on a budget should consider this.
One design faulty with the snugpak is just having one bottom later, most anglers use a cover so this means 3 top later and only one bottom layer.
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In reply to Post #276
Like I say we are all different, metabolism, I've carp fished for 40 years and it's only good to about zero for me, below that I would need a sleeping mat and decent cover.
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In reply to Post #273
Mate, the snugpak and ELS is a terrific combo. Warm enough for all but the coldest of nights but all in all it’s the best set up that I have used after 30years of carping.
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In reply to Post #274
Your also at a guess a lot younger than me but as I've aged I feel the cold more when inactive. Think we are all different when it comes to sleeping bags, would have loved a techlite for its lack of weight but hate being cold when trying to sleep.
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In reply to Post #273
I stop night fishing in November and start again April or I'd may have chosen differently.
New water is lots of Barrow work too.
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In reply to Post #272
I've just bought a levelite els and had spent a lot of time considering the techlite but for me it's not a four season bag on it's own. It may well be the best warmth to weight wise but warmth to £ for me it's poor.
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In reply to Post #1
Just bit the bullet and ordered one with a new levelite from erics.
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In reply to Post #270
Cheers tony
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In reply to Post #269
Im sure i saw one on the shelf yesterday at vale royal angling
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In reply to Post #268
Does anyone know if anyone stocks the 5season camo snugpak normal size?
Spoke to erics and apparently upto six week wait as,made to order.
Not doubting erics for a minute but was hoping to pick one up in the next seek or so.
Thought I'd ask before I start making calls to shops and stockists.
After a trakker els too. Just sold my nash ss4 wideboy.
Got a back up but not too comfy.
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In reply to Post #267
Its completely breathable - no problems there - Ive had it since they released it and its been brilliant by far and away the best ive used.
I have a nash ss4 air bed and find the built in bag cumbersum so tend to use this on its own for most of the year and throw it over the top of my bag in the very depths of winter - completely waterproof well made and I love it -yes its expensive but its cotswold, camo and Im a tart
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In reply to Post #266
It looks very good but how breathable is it with the fleece in ?
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In reply to Post #264
Yes it is _ it Is an amazing bit of kit I love it
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In reply to Post #264
Army andy is making me one out of aquatex so it's all good
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In reply to Post #263
Is that the quilted one with seperate fleece ?
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In reply to Post #261
I’ve got the aqua one on my levelite it’s its plenty big enough. And it’s very good completely waterproof and light
I’ve also got the Cotswold version with clip in fleece on my wide boy that is a different league altogether
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In reply to Post #261
The Trakker will look much bigger than you expect. Trust me, you won't be disappointed.
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In reply to Post #260
I was looking at the aqua one but it looks like it's not wide enough it's 85 cm and the trakker levellite els bedchair is 88cm wide
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Guy told me he went into his local army surplus for a water proof cover for his bag and the owner tried to sell him a zip up body bag
Said it keeps blood in so will keep water out pmsl
Not sure if he got one?
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I had a custom carp products cover before with the fleece lining and it weighted a tone and was bulky. I bought the aqua 1 and it weighs nothing and dose the job also folds up with my techlite in my compact bed lovely
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In reply to Post #257
He dosent do the goretex covers anymore as he cannot get anymore goretex material
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In reply to Post #255
I’ve put the details in another thread somewhere but I had a snugpak Jungle blanket cut down / Velcro added and topped with a waterproof material. The material used wasn’t breathable so I contacted Army Andy who made me up a goretex B/c cover and added my J/B. Its absolutely spot on compliments my Techlite perfectly.
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In reply to Post #252
I have the aqua one now but had the custom carp products on my flatliter mk2.The CCP one is very well made but extremely heavy the aqua is very lightweight but superbly warm.If i was buying again it would be the aqua in dpm
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What about Andy army ?
He does a goretex one unlined. Packs down very small.
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Custom carp lined or unlined or quite heavy and bulky, good quality though.
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In reply to Post #252
Custom Carp Products on Facebook they do a non lined version. Top company with customer service by the boat load! I have lined version it’s great wind n waterproof super hardwaring use just that in summer no bag.
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In reply to Post #251
Anyone know of a lightweight waterprof non thermal bedchair cover to complement this bag I have looked at the aqua tech cover on the web just wondering if anyone has any suggestions
Cheers
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In reply to Post #250
Only for the people that might be on one and not the other.
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Thought i had just read same thread twice til realised you posted that on two seperate threads
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Total Fishing Tackle just done me the ELS Levelite bed and the Snugpak olive techlite sleeping bag for £390.
Not a bad deal.
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In reply to Post #247
Don't feel the cold till I've netted then shake like fk whilst I rest the fish in the net and get a coat on.
Cant sleep in clothes, alright if you sleep on your back and don't move!!
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In reply to Post #241
Shiver, piss have a smoke and play a fish all at the same time
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In reply to Post #241
Shiver
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In reply to Post #241
Star jumps, but normally a wee it’s an age thing..
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In reply to Post #241
Put a coat on
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In reply to Post #242
LOL, righto Gerry.
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In reply to Post #241
Adrenalin
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Reading all this with great interest.
Just out of curiosity, the people saying "I only sleep in my shorts" or "I wear a T Shirt", what on earth are you doing if you get a run in the middle of the night and the temperature is say +2 or worse? 
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In reply to Post #239
I paid £185 for my compact techlite the Wednesday before black Friday. I don't know if the vrs2 is as warm as my ventec mk1 original....
So I'm 1.9 kilo lighter, have a camping mat for increased comfort and have a total of three removable layers including a removable blanket and/or a fleece cover to sleep under/protect the sleeping bag... and it's not fox...
It's not for everyone, I admit, but I'm really happy with this setup and feel I can go with this one rather than having to choose between which bag to take
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In reply to Post #238
Ventec vrs2 weighs 6.6kg and folds inside a bed chair, has removable layers so can be used all year, can be bought for £60 less than the techlite .
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In reply to Post #237
Perhaps not, but 4.7kg for the techlite, mat cover and jungle blanket vs 8kg for the ventec.
I can fold it up in the bedchair which you can't with a ventec and I can also remove layers instantly on the bank... try that with a ventec and you'll end up sweating and then there is the bulk.
The ventec was a very bad purchase, I could only warrant taking it on the really cold nights and it lived in the stuff sack at home 95% of the year, now I'm over the moon to have got rid of it as it was clogging up space in the tackle storage
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Struggled to get the techlite as warm as my original fox ventec...now feel im there with a compact techlite, thermarest inflatable mat, trakker fleece cover and a snugpak jungle blanket folded in half. The jungle blanket is a perfect size to line the compact techlite.
That’s not sounding so lite now
On another note I’ve just bought the trakker bed of nails, twinned with a sheet of ply and a inflatable mat. It’s the best bed ou there.....only on here
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Struggled to get the techlite as warm as my original fox ventec...now feel im there with a compact techlite, thermarest inflatable mat, trakker fleece cover and a snugpak jungle blanket folded in half. The jungle blanket is a perfect size to line the compact techlite.
The original fox ventec is a hard act to follow warmth wise, but since swapping this and my old fox royale bedchair for a cyprinus copy of the wychwood tactical I have shaved 10kg off the weight of the whole lot combined
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In reply to Post #228
Very good explanation mate
I can think of somebody that recently fished Naesby Reservoir, that could have saved himself a lot of discomfort, if he’d had you close by 
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In reply to Post #226
It's the fact that it's made in this country iscwhat your paying for. Love mine, I wear a merino base layer and a light down jacket in mine when it's really cold. Oh, don't forget a hat.
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In reply to Post #228
Now that is a answer and a half
That's what makes this a great forum..
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In reply to Post #228
Great explanation ! and something I totally agree with
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In reply to Post #226
Yonny
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In reply to Post #228
Fair do’s
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In reply to Post #228
explained much better than I've ever been able to.
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In reply to Post #217
Jamesvg, with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinions, but you are completely wrong.
The Law of Physics says that moisture sheds heat faster than a dry surface.
The "layering" system that you elude to is perfect when active. Your body produces heat, that heat moves moisture through layers and away from your body. Your movement helps with this, allowing slight airflow around armpits, cuffs, hems and so on, helping move that moisture away, helping to control your body heat. Moisture against the skin reduces the bodies ability to stay warm.
However, when you sleep, your body cools and the moisture cannot move as well. The moisture remains trapped against your skin, and it will start to cool you further.
In a sleeping bag, what happens is that as the moisture forms (partly through condensation as the outer layer of the clothes is colder than the inner layer, thus producing more moisture) and cools you further. There is a balance though.
A single layer of Merino wool or similar inside a bag, such as long johns and a long sleeved top, prevents a build up of moisture on or next to the skin. Instead, the body heat is now able to fill the bag, and make it warm. Add a hat and socks and you will be sorted.
Everything I write is based on my experience or that of instructors. (Military and Mountain rescue). that has been based down whilst either on exercise or on courses. As a current member of the local Mountain Rescue team, we train pretty much through the winter and currently we are experiencing -13(ish) at night. With wind chill, its pushing -20. Trust me on this one, I do know a bit about survival in cold climates.
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In reply to Post #223
Wearing a breathable baselayer and a mid layer on my top half and thin fleece lined trousers (or just normal trousers) - I never had a problem getting the bag warm enough after getting in.
It was in the early hours I was waking up too cold and had to layer up - and no I was not sweating.
As I said, with the addition of a 2kg Trakker delux bedhcair cover I am now warm enough in all conditions.
I thought the sherpas do most/all the carrying so the weight of the bag doesn't matter!
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In reply to Post #218
For sure Mark, I agree, with no additions it's not a proper 5 season bag. But with a cover/mat it's still lighter than the next lightest equivalent. IMO it's the weight, or lack thereof, that you're paying for with this product.
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In reply to Post #223
The under suit is what I do, it's diving one made by snugpak. Wear it under my normal clothes.
Not much change from£200 but it will last forever and you can use a 4 season bag, get up a night and still be warm.
Getting in a bag in tee shirt and pants in this country is the stupidest thing I have heard of.
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In reply to Post #222
A good tip for warm feet is to plunge them in cold water before getting in your bag. Dry them after obviously but this has the effect of really warming them up (serious)
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In reply to Post #221
You'd wear a down suit in the sleeping bag on everest for the weight saving. Means you don't have to carry such a warm bag which would be considerably larger & heavier.
The point about wearing less in the sleeping bag is that you've purchased a good bag but you're preventing it from doing it's job by wearing loads of clothes. You may as well use a cooler rated bag along with the clothes. More layers also means less breathability so sweat & body vapour can't escape thus cooling you down quickly when you get out.
It's all personal though, I'm not really sure why people get their knickers in a twist over what people wear.
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In reply to Post #220
Contrary to your problem, ive never been able to keep my feet warm all night when in sleeping bag (and ive tried everything from bare feet to sleeping in my boots and every season rated sock in between). Hot water bottle helps to begin with though
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In reply to Post #220
But does he have a different bag? Or wear clothes than aren't breathable/that make him sweat? Or does he have a lower basal metaboloc rate?
Can't draw any conclusion from your mate shovering when you were warm.
It's physics....
Look at footage from everest expiditions, where it is actually cold. They are using bags that cost around £1000. Don't see them stripping down to their boxers to get in them - they wear down all in one suits and base layers in order to stay as warm as possible.
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In reply to Post #219
I have been fishing up Norf on the river trent my new fishing buddy (a local up there ) gets into his bag with everything on ??
and when he gets out to a fish I watch him literally shaking with the cold and he just cant wait to get back in nand in the morning he is forever saying oh its so cold ?
me on the other hand take off my coat and jumper and socks ( got a problem with my feet getting too hot) and when I get to a fish Im very warm and can grab a jumper or coat to put on if I feel cold
and in the not so cold weather I take off even more clothes
IT SURE AS HELL WORKS FOR ME
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In reply to Post #218
post 218 & 210 is spot on ..... It makes me smile when the "wearing less clothes is warmer" line is posted .
Of course, people feel the cold differently so people will adjust what they need to wear accordingly .... however to suggest less layers is warmer than more layers is just not true. The probability is that some are feeling the cold via sweating, normally as a result of poor choice of clothing (not breathable) or over compensating with too many clothes.
When i prepare for a really cold night, i have a hot meal, hot drink and get warm before turning in (star jumps etc), i then wear a base layer and a mid layer (heavier fleece)
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In reply to Post #217
That has always been my understanding as well.
No disrespect Yonny, honestly none meant, but you are using the snugpak combined with an undersheet as well as a bag cover. No wonder you are warm! I love the Snugpak but on its own it is not a 5 season bag.
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Load of cobblers that clothes inside a bag 'stop it working'. The point of a bag, as highlighted is to trap your body heat - however wearing clothes will also trap heat by creating extra layers of air (which is a poor transductor of heat and hence insulating).
Any heat that escapes your clothing layers would still be retained by your bag.
By this flawed theory wearing a tshirt or fleece under your jacket would make you colder rather than warmer? As would using a thermal bed chair cover over a sleeping bag?
As long as the clothing is dry and doesn't make you sweat (or is so bulky that it compresses the insulation of the bag - unlikely) then it will make you warmer.
For additional layers to make you colder would defy the laws of physics.
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In reply to Post #214
I have the techlite and have found it to be excellent I use it with the zips open and add a bedchair cover in the winter if necessary as I dont like to be concealed and ts been more than addequate, the issue for anglers is that while getting in the bag in shorts and t shirt is great if you have to get up for a run doing so presents its own problems at this time of year.
I tend to go for a simple set of thermals and have my snugpak SJ6 and sallopettes on hand for this time of year and it works fine, as others have mentioned some feel the cold more than others but Ive had no issues with mine.
I also totally agree that 1 layer below you is better than 2 on top and a self inflating mattress is a god send for warmth and comfort
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In reply to Post #214
I just had contact with Wychwood. The Morpheus Ultra 7 is staying in the range!
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In reply to Post #212
Interesting about open top bags.....I'm a fan of square bags and I never zip up, hate it but have moved to a mummy type bag, the Wychwood Morpheus 7. Its so hot I cant zip it up. The difference between an open top and a closed 'mummy' style is notable.
I wish wychwood would do a wideboy size, would be the perfect bag then. I believe, the Morph is no longer available, hasn't been in stock all year.
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In reply to Post #212
I cant understand how people get cold in these unless they are wearing too much as mentioned above. I wouldnt be without mine and recon its the best bit of kit i've bought and wish they were about years ago. I never got cold in mine last winter and on a couple of occasions had to zip off the top layer as got a bit warm.
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In reply to Post #211
I use and have always used a cheapo foil lined camping mat on the bedchair, and I agree it makes the world of difference. Weighs about 100 grams.
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In reply to Post #205
This is going to sound strange, but bare with me......
I put the differences down to user error....let me explain.
Sleeping bags work by heating up the air around the body. The more clothing you wear in a bag, the colder you are. You can get two folk with identical bags, one fully clothed, the other in just t-shirt and trousers..and the one in the t-shirt will be warmer as their body heat will heat the air in the bag.
As for the techlite...it has a massive design flaw and that's the fact its open topped. That will allow large amounts of heat to escape. The bigger you are, the more the gap will be and thus the more heats escapes, especially as its held down and you cannot gather it around your shoulders and neck.
The "cover" is a waste of time as the cold penetrates from below, not from the top. I am surprised Snugpak produced these bags, although I guess Fortis waved a cheque book at them to do it. Its a design that goes against everything Snugpak says about bags. If you note, Snugpak themselves do not sell a single open topped bag. Even there "Jungle bag" is a mummy style and also there cheap every day range, and they do that for a reason. Also, there Arctic bags have extra insulation "beneath" not on top.
A lot of us in the military have been using snugpak products for donkey years, and I personally use a 3 season Snugpak for a majority of the year (based in Scotland). If it starts to get a little cooler, I swap to an inflatable "multimat" sleeping mat as this gives more insulation from the ground.
When fishing, adding a mat to the bedchair makes a HUGE difference. if you start to cool down, a quick 10-20 situps will be enough to generate heat and keep you warm
http://www.snugpak.com/military/sleeping-mat-range-military
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In reply to Post #208
Thanks for that honest write up. This all makes me more sure I don't want to spend 250 euro on the Snugpak bag and just have my 365 baffles fitted made out a Snugpak Jungle Blanket. I guess I would have the perfect sleeping bag for about 50 euro (seamstress and Jungle Blanket).
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In reply to Post #205
I have used this bag since it first came out and have commented several times on this forum. It is a very good bag BUT..
ON ITS OWN IT IS NOT A 5 SEASON BAG.
I first used mine with a Thermarest inflatable mattress underneath and a thin Trakker fleece lined bedchair cover. In freezing conditions it did not keep me warm - by the early hours I had to put extra clothing on.
Now I have a much thicker Trakker delux bedchair cover on it and it is warm enough in all conditions. But the mattress is another 750g and the bedchair cover another 2kg. All of which makes it just about as heavy as other bags out there.
It is not waterproof. You will need to add a bedchair cover to make it waterproof and if you fish in sub zero conditions you will need to add a bedchair cover anyway.
The zips are a bit ****. They catch on the material and are not crash zips. Most of the time I don't do the zips up unless it is really cold.
I use mine all the time. It is a good bag and I really like it. For most conditions it is warm and versatile and does not weigh much. For the money it should be better.
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In reply to Post #206
Yeah agree, the bloke who posted #177 must seriously feel it if a Techlite and a cover didn't do the job.
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In reply to Post #205
Some people feel the cold alot more than others and also some dont use the bag correctly keeping too many layers on.The techlite is more than upto the coldest weather we get in the uk
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Out of interest this thread highlights the issues with 'user reviews' on here that someone else brought up recently....
Example, compare Yonny's last post with this from #177:
'I had the tech lite and used is through the spring and summer. It maybe the warmest bag for its weight. But it certainly isn’t a winterbag, even with a bedchair cover over it.'
You couldn't get two opinions that are further apart, no wonder folks get confused
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In reply to Post #203
Hi mate, Thanks for your reply. Good to read that you have good experiences with it. If it's not waterproof, it's a deal breaker for me. I have heard from other members here, that my current 365 is equally as warm as the Techlite so I will have baffles fitted to my 365 next to the zips or I will look at the Wychwood Morpheus Ultra 7. Like the look of that bag too!
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In reply to Post #200
Nah they're not waterproof, they're resistant enough to splashing, but you'd not want to sleep out in the open if it's raining.
I bought one earlier this year. Friday was its first real test. To give you an idea how well it passed the test; I climbed in about 22:00 in minus temps and was toasty in 10 mins. When I got up the next morning (which was difficult as it was so warm and comfortable) I realised I'd actually not been in the bag itself, rather I'd climbed in between the bag and the top layer (Doh! - it was very dark in my defense).
Now I was using it with a thermal cover which I assume went a long way to keeping me warm despite my stupidity at not getting in the actual bag.... but it just goes to show, I reckon the bag, with a cover, is good for at least another 5 degrees below freezing. More than enough for any conditions I've encountered in the UK.
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In reply to Post #201
Yes, that's the last one I wanted to look at, but no store sells this bag over here.
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In reply to Post #200
Whychwood morph 7?
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In reply to Post #199
Can anyone tell me please if the Techlite is waterproof?
Today I had a close look again at the Gardner Carp Duvet Plus, the Fox Ventec and the Trakker AS 365. I didn't like these 3 sleeping bags. The Gardner felt like those cheap sleeping bags from the past for camping with the stuffing as cotton balls. The outer shell was nice and tough but the inner feels cheap too.
Again, with the AS 365 the baffles (why I'm changing my current 365) are too small, catch in the zip and I didn't like the inner material. The model in the store already had loose stitching and small threads coming loose of the inner material due to an abrasion.
The Ventec had fleece on to and caught on my body and also the inner liner material (like the Gardner) felt cheap.
All bags use cheap filling in my opinion and make you feel sweaty, like those cheap duvets for on your bed with the missus.
When seeing all these current bags and their perceived quality, I can't really part with my old 365. I like the inner fabric, the filling (feels like Snugpak filling) and the waterproof outer shell.
I am thinking about the Snugpak Techlite now OR (and this one is going to be it I think); I'm going to buy a Snugpak Jungle Blanket (about 20 pounds) and have a seamstress cut that up and make 2 nice baffles out of it on my old 365.
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In reply to Post #196
Answered my own question, drove to erics and tried one out for myself. Top covers easily come up over my shoulders so no draught getting down there. Kopped it for a nice price too
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In reply to Post #197
There is one bag, but you need a barrow for it alone: the Fox Ventec! 
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In reply to Post #195
I think it can handle any winter we have easily
agreed with a decent bedchair cover and a self inflating thermal mat between the bag and the bed you still end up with a one of the lightest compact warmest options available full stop
and YES I have a 360 bag and quite a few other sleeping bags HOWEVER NONE are any warmer than the above Setup IMHO
Oh and just out of interest
Im in my 70`s on max strength blood thinners also on pills to slow my heart rate down and all of which will cause me to really feel the cold if there was a warmer bag option trust me I would buy it but there aint
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Is anyone who is 6ft or so tall using the compact version? How are you getting on with the length of the top covers?
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In reply to Post #194
I think it can handle any winter we have easily
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In reply to Post #189
I agree, it is surprisingly tough material.
As said, though, the tech lite is not a true 5season bag.
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In reply to Post #192
I didnt even get that out my tempest v2 bivvy now that was bad
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In reply to Post #191
It’s about the standard for trakker these days👍🏼
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In reply to Post #190
1 month... bloody typical that is eh fella....
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In reply to Post #188
It’s not acceptable but what are you going to do if its out of warranty? Had Trakker when putting their marketing video about the bag together , stated that the bag may full apart 1 month after the warranty expired I’d never of bought it. Strangely enough they didn’t do that.
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In reply to Post #188
Again, I agree..... the material might feel like it could rip at any second but, like the jackets, you'll not find anyone that's ripped it.
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In reply to Post #186
I cant see my techlite bag ripping if im honest its well made and i dont put anything on my bag that could rip it but stitching coming away from straps is surely not acceptable
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Funnily enough I've had 3 different items of the Trakker NXG luggage and straps came away on all of them. Off topic I know but just saying.
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In reply to Post #183
Personally i think that problems like these shouldn't happen, but can be repaired quite easily when they do. I think it's a whole different problem, if the materials rip after slight use, for instance.
And what if you need a sleeping bag and there are no other good alternatives on the market? Sleeping under your fleece blanket from the missus isn't an option, or is it?
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In reply to Post #183
I agree, falling to bits is pretty major IMO lol....
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In reply to Post #183
I totally and 100% agree with what you say. But unfortunately buy trakker buy piss poor quality. It’s a good bag and a lot like other trakker stuff a good concept. Which was why I pointed out that a good seamstress’s number is handy to have
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In reply to Post #182
Nothing major then  on a sleeping bag that costs as much as the trakker 365as nothing should come unstitched or fail.It seems we will except anything these days as acceptable even bad quality on products
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In reply to Post #179
Thanks for that, mate! Nothing major then!
Will go for a 365 As then.
Oh, and I use a 8 cm thick memory foam mattress. Lovely!
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In reply to Post #180
Good tip that, I've always used a camping mat under my bags, just a cheapo one with silver insulating coating on one side, fiver from a camping shop. Makes a big difference.
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In reply to Post #177
I use my tech lite in proper freezing conditions on the banks of the Trent
and have to admit 1st time I felt like underneath me just wasn't as warm as the top ?
I cured this by buying a self inflating sleeping mat that transformed not only the warmth but amazingly the comfort too I also use a bedchair cover as Im one of those people I simply cant have the bag zipped up or the door down as I feel way too claustrophobic and I have woken a couple of times to a white bivvy and not felt in the least bit cold always lovely and warm !
( oh yea the other thing I cant do is have socks on in bed ) lol
I cured this
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In reply to Post #178
Mostly stitching coming away from the strap of the small snap lock buckle where it joins the seem of the bag by the zip at the head end. And again the same issue with the under bed strap . 👍🏼
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In reply to Post #177
What sort of problems have you had with the Trakker 365 As bag, mate?
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In reply to Post #176
I had the tech lite and used is through the spring and summer. It maybe the warmest bag for its weight. But it certainly isn’t a winterbag, even with a bedchair cover over it. I’m now back using my 365 as bag and to be honest I don’t know why i shelved it for the fortis. The 365 has to be one of the most versatile bags out there. Fleece or nylon lining it does it all. You just have to find yourself a decent seamstress that can sort the poor trakker quality issues you may experience outside of warranty😏
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In reply to Post #175
Thanks for that mate. Will look for the Gardner but probably going for the Trakker AS 365 then.
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In reply to Post #174
It's made from the same stuff mate.
If you're looking for a heavy duty bag the Techlite aint the one bud.
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In reply to Post #173
Can anyone tell me please how the zips are on the snugpak/fortis sleeping bag and if the material feels as if your could rip it any second, just like their jackets. I ask, because I have a sasquatch and a sleeka jacket and although very warm, they aren't really windproof in my opinion and the material is quite thin. Also the zips look quite small in the video I have seen.
I doubt between the Fortis / Snugpak sleeping bag, the Gardner duvet one and the Trakker As 365. I had a 365 before but they have solved the minor issues I had with the old model.
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In reply to Post #171
Thanks gerry the standard is the one, i phoned them this morning and they confirmed that the tehlite now comes with baffles around the zip area like the compact.
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In reply to Post #171
O have a fox R2 bedchair and that's exactly how I use mine Gerry!! . 
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In reply to Post #168
I have a trakker levellite ELS and my standard bag fits perfect
I NEVER zip it up I cant I feel to claustrophobic so I use a bedchair cover to cover the gap
same as I cant have the door zipped shut either
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In reply to Post #169
On the fortis website they have a video of the compact and it shows an internal zip baffle, i thought i had read somewhere that the baffle wasn't on the first techlites but was also being added to the techlite and wondered if this was true? and maybe someone who has recently bought one could confirm.
I suppose the only way to find out is to contact fortis
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In reply to Post #168
Techlite has no zip baffle ?
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Apart from size is there any difference between the compact and standard bag, i thought i read somewhere that the baffles had been improved on the compact and had been changed on the newer standard bag, does anyone know if this is true?
Also would the standard size bag be best for the trakker levelite standard bedchair i have?
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In reply to Post #166
Same mate. I went for the olive one, still ridiculous money but its saved me kilos!
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In reply to Post #165
Thats why i want the fortis snugpak techlite one cos of weight.Im walking silly distances to lake im on so want as light as poss
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In reply to Post #162
I looked at that but at nearly twice the weight of the techlite it can't compare imo. Loads of decent heavy bags already on the market.
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In reply to Post #162
Yep that's the one. I will be checking one out when I can.
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In reply to Post #158
They've got about 4 different versions of paratex, one of them is water resistant but not the micro.
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In reply to Post #161
If its the carp duvet one you are talking about its around 125 quid and does look very nice and well thought out
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In reply to Post #159
Hang fire for a while bud.
There is a new Gardner 5 season Dpm coming out any minute. Looks just as good as the Snugpak and probably half the price.
I too would have liked the Snugpal. I use there jackets and other military bags but I just can't justify 250 quid on a bag.
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In reply to Post #159
Hang fire for a while bud.
There is a new Gardner 5 season Dpm coming out any minute. Looks just as good as the Snugpak and probably half the price.
I too would have liked the Snugpal. I use there jackets and other military bags but I just can't justify 250 quid on a bag.
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In reply to Post #156
Is there any good deals going on these bags i want the dpm one but 250 on a sleeping bag
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In reply to Post #155
Paratex is what they use on the sleeka jacket, I wouldn't fancy that for prolonged rainfall.
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In reply to Post #156
It's supposedly made from snugpak's paratex micro fabric which is meant to be windproof and water repellent. They won't be able to advertise it as waterproof as it's got an almighty zip down the side and likely won't have taped seams but I'm surprised none of the blurb mentions water repellency.
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In reply to Post #155
Can't help fella, not used mine yet.....
I can't see it advertised as water resistant although bags of similar spec on the Snugpak site are. I would be surprised if it wasn't still effective after sitting on it when wet tbh.
Surely someone's got an idea?
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yes, but is it waterproof, that's what I want to know
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In reply to Post #153
For sure lads that makes sense but the reason I spent such ridiculous money is for the weight saving aspect so I'd kinda be shooting myself in the foot carrying the top layer and not using it....
5 degrees sounds good to me.
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In reply to Post #152
I leave mine on, and take it off if i'm hot!!!!!! in my case it stays on :0) can always take off but can't put on if you don't have it with you!!!!!
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In reply to Post #149
Its a hard one because everyone is different in when they start to feel the cold but for the size and weight of it i would just carry it with you when it starts getting a bit cooler to zip on
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In reply to Post #150
Cheers bud
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I put my top layer on when it starts dropping to about 5 degrees overnight...
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In reply to Post #148
That's what I'm trying to avoid lol.....
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In reply to Post #147
When you start feeling cold without it
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I just got one of these. Obviously I wont need the top layer at the moment but can any experienced users give me an idea of what kind of temps will require the addition of the top layer?
Cheers.
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Think how tight a bag is on a bed is a major factor, regarding heat retention. Super wide beds may be losing some of the "gathering warmth". All things I work on and study in my carp lab.
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In reply to Post #143
On some websites says water resistant(angling direct)
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Sorry for the old thread revival but is this bag in any way water resistant, for those moments when you get back in the bivvy soaking wet or the wet dog jumps on the bed?
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In reply to Post #141
UPDATE
I just retuned from a 3 night trip from up Norff I had Northerly and Easterly cold winds and Tuesday night woke to find the bivvy and banks had a hard white frost My snugpak bag was unzipped as usual I just cant sleep in a bag that's zipped up a trakker cover flaps over to cover the gap
I was not just warm but HOT !
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In reply to Post #140
I'm old find it helps wake me up, once the fish is safely in the net I tend to put on a fleece as its only at this point do I actually notice the cold.
also I like having cold spots, its like the turn the pillow over syndrome I fall asleep easier with a cold pillow rather than a hot one.
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In reply to Post #139
yep I agree I am one of the people that CHOOSE to wear minimal clothing in the bag and found exactly what your saying and I have a coat or fleece next to the door that I can grab if I need to but normally find the adrenalin keeps me warm and all this old TOSH about once your cold when you get in a bag you cant warm up probably applies to people that jump in with clothes that are insulating themselves from the bag ? I have found one of the quickest ways to get warm is to totally relax not sure why ? but if I think oh its cold and tense myself it takes longer ???
there will be the same old people on this thread saying they could not jump out in freezing condition with just shorts and a teeshirt well not knocking them at all ? thats their CHOICE
but I know it certainly works for me and I notice from Kev`s videos he is a convert too even if his gonads pop out now and again
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In reply to Post #135
I wasn't suggesting one way or the other, just curious. Seen a few poor reviews for these bags but I've never used one or seen one in the flesh.
Clothing is a bit of a fine line. Personally I have no problem with getting up & putting a coat on but I can appreciate that it's not for everyone. I think if you're someone that likes to wear a few layers in the bag then these thicker 5 season bags are probably not the answer. It's about finding the right combination that suits you, there's no one combination that suits everyone.
The fact is though no sleeping bag can generate heat, you have to do that yourself. Clothing layers prevent body heat warming the bag so these thicker filled winter bags are impossible to warm up. Considering their intended application they're probably not well designed. A thinner bag with a bedchair cover will warm up quicker whilst the cover keeps drafts off.
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In reply to Post #135
The problem with the bag is probably because its a square shape and not mummy, so there are cold spots on the spaces you don't occupy. I use Snugpak special forces and these are more than enough for me., wear minimal clothing and haven't felt cold in a sleeping bag for ages. Although may be changing to DPM fortis or a new special forces as mine after 8 years has seen better days.
The trick i learnt some time ago was to wear minimal clothing you can get away with if you have to get out of bag, adding a coat or fleecy, on way out of bivvy. Before getting into bag speed up your heart rate and heat by some light exercise, i.e. press ups or the likes. The bag reacts to your body temperature and is fuelled by your heat.
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In reply to Post #135
Great review and follow up .
I keep toying with this bag as have the ECWCS which is a bit tight to be ideal (although superb quality). I given the Techlite a proper look over on a few occasions and still come to the conclusion it is never a proper 5 season bag, lacked a little quality and was a lot of money.
As for wearing minimum clothing in sleeping bags .... This IS recommended for people who dont need to get out of the sleeping bag in the night. Modern materials are designed to retain and maintain the heat. Minute you open the bag then you are back to square one. So not only do you have to get outside in minimum clothes, the bag will need re-warming again, made even harder because your body will be cold. I think the advice to wear minimum clothing when fishing in sub-zero temps is poor advice myself and only good advice if reeled in for the night.
Ive had loads of sleeping bags over the years (still have many of them in the loft) and even though im not a fleece fan either, having fleece is the compromise if really want the warmest envelope type bag suitable for fishing.
The Techlite is still overpriced imo, but so is a lot of stuff in fishing, and it's size/weight to warmth ratio is very attractive. New version having baffles improves it again. Im sure for most of the year will be perfectly adequate ... For the few months/times where it lacks warmth then i would be prepared to add a layer. Ive still not taken the plunge yet though
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In reply to Post #135
the compact is ridiculously tight, i can't sleep on my side without the zips coming undone
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In reply to Post #130
Hi Boycie. I have tried all sorts. When I woke up cold that particular night I was wearing a thin polo shirt, light/medium weight fleece and normal cotton trousers.
My mate got in touch with Fortis to complain it wasn't a 5 season bag. They came back with the reply that you need to be wearing minimal layers for the bag to warm up. I've seen that suggested on here too. IMO there are flaws in this suggestion.
It is cold when you get in the bag and yes takes a while to warm up but I haven't noticed any difference whether I am wearing more layers or not. As an angler in the depths of winter I don't want to be taking layers off to get into a cold bag and I don't want to be wearing B***er all at 3 in the morning if I have to rush out to a take. The idea that you take layers off to warm a bag up is sound if it is a mummy style bag but in an envelope type bag this doesn't work because there are so many air pockets and so many parts of the bag that you are not warming up when you first get in.
Look it is a good bag but IMO if you are fishing all year round you will need an extra layer.
The best crash zips I've ever had are on my Trakker Big Z Pertex bag - big, chunky and with nothing to catch on and with proper baffles they do not let any drafts in. But that bag is stupidly heavy.
Lots of people have suggested Military mummy style 3 layer bags and I got one but I move around too much when I'm getting to sleep and when I am asleep and so found they didn't suit me. I want my bag fixed to the bedchair and with space inside so I can stretch and move about.
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In reply to Post #133
Agree with Post 132.
Great bag. I don't think it is an out and out 5 Season bag but due to the lightness of it I keep the upper layer with me all year round. If your cold you can just zip this on.
I have only used it in late Autumn and wouldn't be warm enough for me in the depths of Winter. However I hang my rods up between November and Feb so not a consideration for me.
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In reply to Post #132
I actually thought the zips were a lot better than my Fox evo and my trakker 365 I had, use as crash zips now where as before never did the zips up. I also had the Goliath which was a fantastic bag this is just as good for me, yes when the temp goes below zero I tend to throw my thermal blanket over the top, namely it seems to warm me up quicker but quite often wake up and find the thermal on the floor as I got a bit too hot.
I think you have to take a lot into account on how good they are and your priorities! light weight and 5 season don't really belong in the same sentence, other things come into it, open fronted shelter with wind blowing in takes the temperature down around the bag, winter skin all helps.
For me majority of my fishing is done with temps above freezing that's when I really wanted a light weight bag that if the night got cold kept me warm, Techlite does that. If its going to be cold I take the thermal cover
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In reply to Post #129
RE waking up I don t have one of these bags btw
I find its when I ve pushed the bag /cover back when asleep
Face arms gets cold and that's what wakes me up
Balaclava can help when it's really cold though
Good reveiw though
as I was thinking of upgrading to one
It's made me pause
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In reply to Post #129
I think that's a very fair review tbh. I have bought one and I like it. I would agree thought that the zips could and should be better, they are merely ok. Also it is definitely not a 5 season bag and I will also take a bedchair cover for the cold nights. For most of my fishing the bag is nearly spot on.
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In reply to Post #129
Out of curiosity, when you were cold what were you wearing when in the bag?
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In reply to Post #128
Sorry to be a dissenting voice here. I think these are generally very good bags, comfortable and warm. I have the original green version.
But. I used mine Summer, Autumn and then in temps down to freezing over the winter, with a thermarest inflatable mattress and a Trakker fleece bedchair cover over the top. I woke up in the early hours cold and needed to put on an extra fleece to get back to sleep. In temps warmer than freezing I have been warm enough but IMO this is not a "5 season" bag as marketed, whatever that actually means. I appreciate others have not had an issue but that is my experience and no, I don't feel the cold particularly. I have two mates who have the same bags and also have not been warm enough in the coldest months.
I also think the zips are cheap and too thin and occasionally they have caught on the flap material and got stuck.
For the weight it is a very good bag compared to what else there is out there. For the price, I'm not sure. I am happy enough with mine but I need extra layers in the coldest of weather.
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In reply to Post #127
Thanks chaps . I guess the only issue would be to get one with the baffles , cheers .
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In reply to Post #120
I am one of the people that just cannot sleep in a bag that is zipped up
and so because of this I use it with a cover over it and at the moment only place I have used it is on the windswept banks of the tidal Trent where towards the end of last year it had its baptism of fire !
I always wear minimal clothing in my bag and I cant stand wearing socks in bed ..........I dont do it at home and wont do it on the bank
I am pleased to say I was toasty
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In reply to Post #124
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In reply to Post #124
I think both versions now have them just check is you order the standard it's not old stock
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In reply to Post #122
Is it just the new compact version that has the baffles or both models that have got it ?
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In reply to Post #122
I replaced my Trakker Big Z peachskin and thermal cover with one, and yes in the depths of winter its just as warm as the bag and cover together, superb but of kit and worth every penny.
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In reply to Post #119
I replaced my peachskin sleeping bag with the compact version of the snugpak. I was very undecided at the time however wish I'd done it sooner. Warm bag, new version has the baffles on the zips which make a difference to the old one which I tried a few months back. As it's not fleece it is colder when you first get in but sleep in just a baselayer your soon toasty. Don't get me wrong I can't see it being as hot as my old peachskin in the depth of winter however it's not far ofd
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In reply to Post #120
used mine on a recent trip to France.
Temps got down to -4 and some of the other anglers were saying how cold it was overnight. I didn't notice so that tells you all you need to know.
Fits on the bedchair well, zips are great and work well, nice cammo design and generally a great bag.
Feels a little cold when you first get in given the materials used but soon warms up.
highly recommended
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In reply to Post #119
Hi , I'm looking at one of these to replace my trakker pertex (winter) and trakker big snooze plus (summer) . Now that they have even out a while how are you finding them ? Quite like the light weight design but need some first hand feedback , thanks .
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In reply to Post #118
Sorry to jump on an old post, now it's got colder on the night how are the bags holding up? I currently have the old trakker peachskin bag however it's seen better days. Are these bags actually that warm? Or shall I just get another trakker? Cheers
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In reply to Post #114
Spot on. I don't mind paying for quality. Quite simply it will last longer and the pain of the initial outlay means that I look after the product.
British is best.
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In reply to Post #115
True mate and I have never seen a thread about the cost of a Basia
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In reply to Post #114
I have to agree with your leading question..
By my reckoning, the cost price for any piece of kit should be the optimum balance between number of units you need to sell to profit ratio against the competition in the market place..
No good selling premium products at knockdown prices to a point you cant keep up with demand.
Likewise, no good having an overpriced premium product you simply can't sell, no matter how good it is!!
The key is to set the highest price possible to just be able to keep up with demand to maximise the profit available. Or to create a frenzy so that the item isn't available, except on advance order, to further increase price / frenzy and subsequent profit margin.
Judging by the amount of stock that ISN'T available, clamour for the product and the high market price, I would imagine the manufacture is feeling rather pleased with all it's relevant departments!!!
It's purely down to the fault of the mainstream suppliers and general punters as to why the product is such a high price.....For constantly paying over the odds for cheap, sub standard Far East *****!!!
I also don't think Carp Unit has done anything wrong other than give honest appraisal based on his use of the product. He doesn't appear to be paid by them nor has not had a freebie..
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In reply to Post #114
And how great their custom built uk blank rods are, lol.
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So how much much do people think you should pay for a handmade in Britain item ? Because I don't get it people are on here all the time saying how their mass produced overpriced foreign item is crap and fallen apart.
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In reply to Post #110
Fair enough, I can see what you're saying but you need to remember that before I posted last night on this thread, my only other post was to answer somebody who asked if the DPM material was the same as the olive. I think (haven't checked back to be sure) I did that with a 2 word answer so I have in no way whatsoever tried to big the thing up or try to sell it to anybody and therefore don't see any need to disclose that I had an involvement with the product. If I'd been raving on about how great the bag is and that it's a must buy item at every opportunity I can understand that you'd have a point, but I haven't.
I don't work for Fortis, i'm a self employed car body repairer and an angler who was asked to put a few prototype sleeping bags through they're paces and report back with my feedback. My input into the sleeping bag was finished some months ago now when the final design was settled upon. Whether you, g4fne or anyone else on here decide to buy one or not will have no impact on me personally.
If anyone would like any feedback from me about the bag, then I'm happy to give it as I've spent more nights in one than anyone else at this stage
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While I think this (and any £250) bag is massively overpriced, I don't think a Fortis witch-hunt is necessary.
They're a company I like a lot but it does seem an odd leap from far east sweat shop Oakley copies to high end British made outdoor gear. They picked the right mob to get involved with though and I wish them every success.... They're still pulling people's pants down over this bag I reckon but carp angler's pants are notoriously easy to dislodge 
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In reply to Post #109
Thanks
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In reply to Post #106
Partly, but was more general thing. I just think, in my opinion, that if people have an involvement with a product or company that they should declare it if commenting in a thread in relation to that product or company.
I don't mean that in a negative way, as it gives some weight to any comments/opinions that someone might have rather than someone who's never seen a product but passes opinion on it.
The 'hardon' bit wasn't you, I had another forum member in mind (that sounds a bit dodgy but you know what I mean!
For people who don't frequent other forums they wouldn't know that you had an involvement.
Anyway,this has gone slightly off topic so a question...
As dpm is now going out of fashion does anyone know if a black version will be released? And if it is, will it be priced the same? After all, we've been led to believe that dpm is vastly more expensive than olive green and I'm sure that's not just because it was in fashion...
Black is the new dpm
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In reply to Post #108
The comments in relation to the link you posted earlier to Cemex back in November. Its only your defensive reaction on this thread that i put the connection together. Had i of known, i wouldnt crossed swords on it with you as its a pointless exercise. Good luck to you and Fortis
I could ask you to show me the "every single thread on every forum" that i have posted about this bag?? ... but i know thats never coming
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In reply to Post #107
That statement might carry some weight if I'd tried to tell you or anyone else how good it is but I haven't have I? You've said I have "bigged" it up, show me where?
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If your connected in any way to a product then you are effectively a salesman and the opinion is biased, The reaction has shown that and makes it no more credible than a magazine reviews. If the product is as good as some think (and most hope) then the product will stand on its own merit.
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In reply to Post #102
Is that aimed at me? Because as I just said, I haven't bigged anything up on here or on cemex, take a look at the thread in the link and you'll see. I also haven't said anything about it on this forum either so where/when should I have disclosed my connection to Fortis?
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In reply to Post #104
Those mentioned ? I've only mentioned the one, whilst I will read or listen to the opinions of many none of them will form my opinion, only if I need a product they may convince me to take a look but the product will speak for itself.
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In reply to Post #103
well, we have to beg to differ then Goose. as i don't much value the opinion of any of those mentioned.
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In reply to Post #102
Stuart has always been up front and is on the Fortis website , I for one would rather listen/read the opinions of a product from those like him than those of someone that hasn't even seen the bag or a must have tart that has all the perceived best but never uses it.
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In reply to Post #98
I don't know why people can't just be upfront about their involvement with certain products/companies. It would give your comments more credibility from the outset rather than coming across as someone who just has a hardon for a product and isn't prepared to listen to someone else's opinion.
My stance? Having never seen the bag except in print, is its over priced. But then they're free to price it however they see fit as it's well known that some people will pay over the odds.
Edit: this isn't cemex
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In reply to Post #100
He didn't suss me because I'm not hiding. Right from the start I have replied to people on cemex who were asking about the sleeping bag, here, check the thread, and you'll also see that there was no "bigging" it up from me.
http://www.theanglersforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?210400-Fortis-If-you-read-this
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In reply to Post #98
Im guessing since you have been "bigging" this product up before it was even released that you have some connection/inside line/or whatever, with this collaboration between Snugpak/Fortis and you are obviously a little precious about it!
he sussed you though mate. got to give him that...
Stuart. im presuming this is you:
http://www.gofishing.co.uk/Angling-Times/Section/News--Catches/General-News/Five-carp-in-a-day-at-Savay/
Obviously your an experienced dedicated and skillful angler. Better to be remembered for articles like the one above than rucking with people on forums about sleeping bags.
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In reply to Post #98
To be fair mate, his last post stated that the bags look good on paper. These forums are for feedback and I for one won't buy a significant product until it's been out for a few months,and the initial frenzy dies down.
I am a big snugpak fan though and will definitely have one if the feedback is good.
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In reply to Post #89
All of your posts about this sleeping bag have a negative angle, which you then try to balance out by saying "it's good on paper" "I never said I don't like it" "I might buy one one day" blah blah blah. Maybe you're just a negative kind of person in life, I don't know, maybe you've bought one too many items of cheap Chinese tackle and are now wary of gambling your cash on new tackle? At the end of the day though, you haven't even seen a Techlite bag let alone used one so how can your opinion on whether you think it's worth the money be taken with any value?
Your repeated statement regarding the bag potentially being a limited run due to there being a fairly small market for such an item couldn't be more wrong. Thats the beauty of them being hand made in England, they can be manufactured in small or large quantities.......at very short notice......for as many years as Snugpak/Fortis like. This is just the opposite to anything made in China where tackle companies have to order X amount.....X amount of months in advance with a hefty investment involved, which in turn means a big financial risk if the item doesn't sell. For somebody who tries so hard to come across as knowing the ins and outs of the tackle trade you seem to have overlooked the benefits of using Great British industry.
My involvement with the Snugpak/Fortis sleeping bag goes as far as testing numerous different prototypes for just over a year until everyone involved was happy with the product and the final design was signed off. Do you think this happens with other sleeping bags on the market? There were many changes made to the bag during that time and the outcome is what you might one day actually see for yourself. When you do, I hope you see it as the quality item of tackle that it is.
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In reply to Post #96
Ultegra's ONLY strong point is their size 
In seriousness i have nothing against the tarts ... Once worked out the ones who arent afraid to tell it as it is, they make excellent field testers for the rest of us.
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In reply to Post #95
But the tarts have always jumped on the latest thing then moved on as soon as the next thing comes along, the small ultegra were one of the first pits of that size though and proved very popular and dispite your dislike of them they still sell and spool klicker aside have generally been reliable. Anyway on the subject of the bag it will depend entirely on the user and the use they put it through, for me it's main point of interest is it's weight to warmth ratio and build quality, as I carry my kit most of the time every bit of weight saved is a big bonus but I wouldn't bother with this bag if I used a carp porter most of the time or indeed if I didn't hate mummy style bags. And my atts are still great and never missed a beat.
oh, most over rated product in recent times, baffin trappers, lol.
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Interestingly .... this reminds me of when Shimano released their 5500 XTB's mini pits or ATTS launched their alarms . The "fan boys" loved them to begin with and shouted it from the rooftops. However, a few months or so later these same people were advertising them in the classifieds. A lesson learned for me as the reels in particular were nowhere near the hype !!. Here's hoping this product does live up to its fanfare .... as already said it does looks very good on paper
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In reply to Post #93
Yep but made by hand in the Uk maybe a little over priced but until people start using them we will not know how good they are. I for one don't have the money to take a punt on one at the moment but I will be keeping an eye out on the reviews and would get one at the end of the year if they are good.
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They look pretty good on paper, which is the only place most have seen them. But did I read it right... 250 sheets for a dpm bag???
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In reply to Post #88
People love a moan mate, no one is asking them to buy it yet they still feel the need to have a good moan, I think they secretly want one but can't justify it, hence trying to put others off
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I felt the same thinking they will just rush them out but after watching the video on how Snugpack make their stuff I would have thought they won't be letting their standard drop.
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In reply to Post #87
I thinks it's a good heads up mate. I don't like that snugpak have jumped in with fortis at all. I would have been more comfortable without their involvement (fortis) when it comes to shelling out dosh
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In reply to Post #88
Can't help it can you? For somebody who's wasted as much money as you have on just about every crap bivvy ever made, you've got a right boner about the price of this sleeping bag eh? If you don't want it, that's cool, if you don't like the design....fine, if you can't afford it....no problem, but I don't understand why you feel the need to jump on every single thread on every forum relating the this sleeping bag trying your hardest to persuade people that it's probably not worth the price tag.
A: Have you used the sleeping bag?
B: Have you even seen the sleeping bag?.
Im guessing since you have been "bigging" this product up before it was even released that you have some connection/inside line/or whatever, with this collaboration between Snugpak/Fortis and you are obviously a little precious about it!
Ive posted on one other thread on one other forum ("every single thread on every forum" ) and suggested no different to what i wrote earlier in this thread ...... Ive merely suggested its pricey and its market will therefore be limited ...... This is hardly controversial or condemning stuff!
Nothing ive written "slates" this bag, how can i??, i havent seen it. Ive already said "i may buy one in the future" and "it looks good". If i did condemn any product without seeing it, it would be as foolish as declaring its superiority based on faith alone!!
nb :I wasted very little money back in my "bivvy" days. It was even profitable at times 
nbb : I save any "boner" talks for eslewhere
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In reply to Post #87
Can't help it can you? For somebody who's wasted as much money as you have on just about every crap bivvy ever made, you've got a right boner about the price of this sleeping bag eh? If you don't want it, that's cool, if you don't like the design....fine, if you can't afford it....no problem, but I don't understand why you feel the need to jump on every single thread on every forum relating the this sleeping bag trying your hardest to persuade people that it's probably not worth the price tag.
A: Have you used the sleeping bag?
B: Have you even seen the sleeping bag?
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This highlights why it doesnt matter who the company is, it doesnt garuantee it will always be quality
http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=357672
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In reply to Post #83
Hi all
I called the tackle box last week and they were expecting them in mid Jan so anytime soon I guess.
I'm thinking about investing in one of these and treating myself , I've got a ECWS modular bag at the mo which is ok but a tad snug on me " too many pies " plus the fact only one crash zip !
So for those reasons I'm IN
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In reply to Post #82
Fortis tackle have posted on their Facebook page they will be arriving in shops this week and next week
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In reply to Post #82
They were available to buy at the Carp Society Winter Show at Sandown.
I'm sure they will be available to view and buy at the Northern Angling Show at Trafford Centre at the end of February
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In reply to Post #81
Anybody seen them in stock anywhere yet?
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In reply to Post #80
Same material mate.
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In reply to Post #79
Are the olive and DPM the same material? Is one better?
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In reply to Post #78
Sounds like the perfect bag then. I went to order one a dpm one last week but they are all gone until the end of jan so will order one next month.
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In reply to Post #77
Indeed it does
Tel
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Does the bag have crash zips?
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In reply to Post #75
They are the same just a different colour and pattern.
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In reply to Post #74
Is any of the materials better? DPM or Olive? or just the same?
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In reply to Post #59
Have any of the owners used theirs yet? Some feedback on the Techlite's performance in this weather would be great
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In reply to Post #67
I had a good look at this at the show and it looks very good so I think I will get one in Jan.
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In reply to Post #71
Yeah going by measurements online👍🏼
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In reply to Post #70
Aqua bag bigger then mate?
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Quite glad it's just not big enough for me as I've not long had my Aqua bag
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In reply to Post #67
Looked really well thought out and extremely well made.
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In reply to Post #67
Saw at the show yesterday.
And I so want one.
Extremely light and well made
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In reply to Post #66
Anyone seen one at the show today? What did you think?
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In reply to Post #65
No fleece on it anywhere im pleased to say.
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In reply to Post #64
Is the inside of it fleece lined?
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In reply to Post #55
Did any of the owners actually use it out on the bank yet?
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In reply to Post #62
Don't know what agreement they have with Fortis over this particular product.
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In reply to Post #60
Snugpak might even bring their own imported version out .... similar to the Elite version of their jaclets etc
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In reply to Post #60
Probably. So I expect nash or Trakker to offer a 'revolutionary design' in sleeping bags any day now.
Aimed at the 'serious' carper no doubt.
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Well it's been out for about a week now, have the Chinese copied it yet ?
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In reply to Post #57
I have got one. Very well made. Not used it yet so cant comnment on warmth etc. I have a Fox Flatliner and it fits perfecty on it.
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In reply to Post #57
Looks like it will fit I. Dues sing there is excess with the length?
Nash
W 94
L 198
Snugpak
W 95
L 220
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In reply to Post #56
Been watching this with interest and may go to the show Sunday just to see one, will they fit a wideboy indulgence ?
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In reply to Post #55
I would like one of these. Looks like a good bit of kit.
However it's a bit too big for my compact bedchair.
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In reply to Post #54
Any field reports on the bag from the few people who have theirs already?
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Received my DPM Techlite today and first impressions are very good, build quality is second to none as with all Snugpak products.
The bag is super lightweight and very thin for a 5 season bag but this means nothing where snugpak are concerned, I have no doubt it'll be seriously warm.
Will be out with it for two nights from tomorrow so will post my thoughts early next week.
Johnson Ross will have a small number of these bags on the stand at Sandown next weekend if those interested want a look.
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In reply to Post #50
Bean get some photos up mate
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In reply to Post #50
Thanks mate. Only 4 cm shy of the wide boy bag I think. And that's huge on me now.
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In reply to Post #50
Some close up pic's would be nice Miles, pics on the net go out of focus when I try to expand them.
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In reply to Post #49
Make it about 960 mm ish so 38 inches over the width.
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In reply to Post #48
if u get a sec mate, and have a tape handy good u measure it for width?
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In reply to Post #47
Mine landed today and although obviously not tested it yet, I am very impressed with how well it is made. As near as the original tails up bag as your get but even better design of the top layer, twin zips and bed hair attachment.
Just the right size around my mid and I'm a 15 stone, 47 inch chest...plenty of room for you 6 footers plus, I'm only 5'10" so loads for me.
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In reply to Post #46
Plenty wide enough!!!
I think also a major part of the price tag which we are not considering is maybe the collaboration thing........ two companies = x2 mark up......I am not saying it doesn't still cost a fortune to manufacture, just if you got 20% profit x 2 it would put quite a bit on the final bill
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In reply to Post #45
its 95cm wide isnt it?
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In reply to Post #44
If they sold a wide boy, id buy one in an instant Fortis......are you listening
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In reply to Post #42
there might be almost double the material in the fortis one too. not to mention increased R&D and build time and costs as its a new design for snugpak.
Whilst I agree that there's many that will give a rave review then quietly sell something on later when it doesnt seem quite so good.
there are also a notable few that give warts and all reviews and G4ne is one of them.
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In reply to Post #42
We could exchange views on the merits of an international minimum wage if you like...
Can it wait until i get back from Primark??
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In reply to Post #41
Ha ha ha, not a lecture just a statement of fact. As a consumer I am as hypocritical as the next person and also like a bargain and a cheap deal. I never said I only buy ethically. The post was about why a UK designed, developed, manufactured and sold product - which this Fortis x Snugpack is meant to be - costs quite as much as it does compared to getting it all done in China where labour is dirt cheap.
We could exchange views on the merits of an international minimum wage if you like...
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In reply to Post #40
Like I said before it is overpriced - my Elite 4 cost me £86.50 from new. But if you factor in the ethics of paying someone a decent wage in a UK based product then that makes a difference. Seriously people, you get almost all your tackle as cheap as you do coz some poor Chinaman with a family to support gets 3 grains of rice a month as salary..
Im sure you wouldnt try lecturing people about consumer ethics unless this theory is a constant in your life for everything you buy
Any product should be good enough quality wise to justify the extra cost .... not because of where it is made
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In reply to Post #39
Quote: "Whilst appreciating the quality of the bag i kept saying to myself "i wish they made these in a square shape instead of a mummy style along with crash zips". This fortis snugpak bag has answered all my prayers".
I feel the same way. I have been using the Snugpack Elite 4 and can't believe how warm it is compared to everything else I have used and yet it packs down to very little and weighs less than 2kg. I also wished they did one with crash zips and rectangular - and now they have. Whether it will be quite as warm in a rectangular shape remains to be seen - and that may be why they have not used the temperature ratings they normally classify their sleeping bags in.
Like I said before it is overpriced - my Elite 4 cost me £86.50 from new. But if you factor in the ethics of paying someone a decent wage in a UK based product then that makes a difference. Seriously people, you get almost all your tackle as cheap as you do coz some poor Chinaman with a family to support gets 3 grains of rice a month as salary...
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You will probs find the 3 season gets you through 4 seasons and the 5th season zip on will be rated -20( comfort rating) or something daft.
My current elite softie 5 has a comfort rating of -15 & extreme -20
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Buy with confidence!!
I have owned a Snugpak elite softie 5 mummy style bag for the last 3 years and i fish right through winter. I put it to the test aswell in severe cold northern conditions by stripping right down to t-shirt and shorts in january , went to sleep woke up everything was frozen solid, i was toast that night! It is by far the warmest & best material bag i have owned by quite a distance.
Whilst appreciating the quality of the bag i kept saying to myself "i wish they made these in a square shape instead of a mummy style along with crash zips". This fortis snugpak bag has answered all my prayers. I cant believe they have bought one out specifically for carp fishing. It's 100% on my next to buy list. If my current snugpak bag is anything to go by this will be by far the best bag on the market for a long time to come.
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Can't see a temperature rating for this bag unlike there other bags, best weight to warmth ratio compared to what. I've had a snugpak softie jacket warm but not exceptional for the loft imo. Had a snugpak 3 season bag that ripped internally.
And if people pay £250 on a bag, how likely are they to give an honest review if it ain't up to much?
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In reply to Post #35
Personally I think the option of having a product like this again in this trade shows there is a market for it.
Ive not said there isnt a market for it. Ive said it "looks good", ive not even said i would never buy one. What i said was the "appeal will be very limited (because of price) and unless another outdoor type market buys into it i would question its availability long term".
And, If you wanted an example of bad sleeping bag design what about Nash draft liner for the sleep system......the Carptech Goliath (which I know you bought into)
Yes the Carptech Goliath is a disappointment as a 4 season bag, softened very slightly that i only paid £55 for mine, but then im not claiming there arn't poor products around.
I know what you mean about finding the right bag that ticks your own requirements. I will be interested in reading the feedback after a season or two.
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In reply to Post #34
Mate in my opinion, there are only a handful of bags of the market which i would choose today, and nothing to do with origin etc!!!
Either fleece (personally hate fleece), too bulky (poor insulation material) or rubbish design/ mummy bag.
I tried Mummy bags and hated it, fleece bags and hated it, fox/ trakker so say reversible bags with no fleece? Only to be faced with a rubbish non cotton type material, and there massive!!!
Pertex like the Goliath or Sunridge heat control were by far the most comfortable bags I used. I could curl up in one of them in the sort of weather we are having now and feel like I was fishing in the great outdoors and it didn't matter how cold or wet it got I was warm and comfortable and "safe".
"Safe" means to me if it gets splashed or condensation on it, it will wick away, if I fell in I could strip off and jump in my bag etc etc...I'm not saying for one minute the other bags wont do this....but I would bet with the exclusion of a handful the Snugpak would perform better.
Skimp on a sleeping bag....not worth it, I like sleeping outdoors.......skimp on a bivvy?? no real difference in bivvies nower days, there all made equally as craply!!!just price!!!!!
Give me a UK, Irish or European divvy manufacture like the old Aqua.....then we would have a debate!
And, If you wanted an example of bad sleeping bag design what about Nash draft liner for the sleep system......the Carptech Goliath (which I know you bought into)
Personally I think the option of having a product like this again in this trade shows there is a market for it.
Incidentally in my original post I never mentioned the UK is best argument? only Snugpak
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In reply to Post #30
How many Nash, Aqua, Trakker etc (Chinese manufactured products) have had a high volume of returns??? 10 percent one Rep from one of these companies claimed all built into the price! How many times have products produced in the far east turned out to be recalled or just duff due to them having issues with the bell caps leaking or poles too long for the fabric at the front or poles snapping???
Not their fault....its just their badge on the product, they don't actually make it!!
But your talking about bivvies & brollies etc, that are subjected to an onslaught of abuse whether constant erecting or the elements they have to face .... im (and this thread) talking about the humble sleeping bag, that does little more than be a human envelope .
Bivvies & brollies etc might be a different debate
Im aware Snugpak make good products (i have their jacket) but there are other brands that are as good and better that are made overseas. The "UK is best" blanket view just isn't a credible one. There have been UK built industries in the past that have folded because the quality was so bad or just couldnt keep up with overseas reliability.
You obviously have never bought a product with a problem, either that or you haven't kept it long enough for any faults to show in the first place.
The only sleeping bag that i had a problem with was the Gardner Sub Zero .... the crash zip was poor.
I think you will find the reason there is a premium price in this product and Uk products are the price for manufacturing in the UK are massive........Wages, rates, Insurances etc etc...I think you'll find most working people here in the UK would rather earn a fair wage while at work and not a sweat shop to keep the product costs down and also choose to spend their money here in the UK to put something back into the system??
This is a different debate completely and not one i necessarily disagree with.
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In reply to Post #30
I am really tempted to get one of these as my old Trakker big z has lost its loft and is more like a blanket than a sleeping bag. Just need to convince myself I need to spend that much on a sleeping bag.
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In reply to Post #31
Cheers
I am in no way connected to Snugpak or any angling trade!!!
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In reply to Post #30
Excellent post mate.
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In reply to Post #23
Quote: I don't buy into this myth peddled by a few that only the likes of Snugpak, or only UK companies can make reliable, quality products. Its utter tosh in a lot of cases and just an excuse to charge a premium.
Surely Snugpak's long experience of making quality sleeping bags for military and the mountaineering trade speak for themselves...........years of perfecting the softie insulation and the pertex layer all made in house in Sheffield. The difference with this is all made in house is they are in control of their own quality control and manufacturing, as they are the actually the manufacturer not the middle man!!
How many Nash, Aqua, Trakker etc (Chinese manufactured products) have had a high volume of returns??? 10 percent one Rep from one of these companies claimed all built into the price! How many times have products produced in the far east turned out to be recalled or just duff due to them having issues with the bell caps leaking or poles too long for the fabric at the front or poles snapping???
Not their fault....its just their badge on the product, they don't actually make it!!
You obviously have never bought a product with a problem, either that or you haven't kept it long enough for any faults to show in the first place.
I think you will find the reason there is a premium price in this product and Uk products are the price for manufacturing in the UK are massive........Wages, rates, Insurances etc etc...I think you'll find most working people here in the UK would rather earn a fair wage while at work and not a sweat shop to keep the product costs down and also choose to spend their money here in the UK to put something back into the system??
Although I am far from being in favour of the BMP!!! my reasons are simple as above.....quality and experience in the field to be able manufacture the product, and it's made here in the UK....that doesn't mean its rip off Briton, it means that is how much it costs to produce the product.
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I dont remember ever changing a sleeping bag because its faulty ... ive only had a handful of fishing style sleeping bags over the years ranging from the cheap and cheerful to, at the time top of range Trakker Armotexx . None have ever been changed because they were faulty, only changed for changes sake.
Well you never had a sundridge heat control for years, which was a great bag but the filling slowly compacted after too many washes so went as did my Goliath both after many years of use....(goliath second hand).
Again I will think with my feet for the obvious reasons above......I have placed my order and eagerly await its arrival.......its obviously not for you for reasons you state being too expensive/ UK made. You as well with think with your feet!
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In reply to Post #28
my old trakker armotexx was a cracking bag. but i sold mine on when all the wideboy stuff came out.
however, having lost almost 5 stone now i could prob fit comfortably in the 90cm bags. howver at a xxl and a 52 chest i will still stuggle in a snugpak mummy.
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In reply to Post #27
Im similar in that use an ECWCS less the goretex cover but with a Trakker thermal cover instead. Both of which folds inside my X-lite bedchair without issue. I didnt think i would get on with it being a mummy style bag but because it is a smaller bag i think it keeps warmer. If i fancy a little more luxury i occasionally dig the Armotexx bag out
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In reply to Post #23
My original wide boy frostbite is very heavy, stiff, so won't fold at all. And even with both layers is not a winter bag. In fact I use both layers in all but the hottest summer night.
How I have dealt with this is using my old Trakker thermal cover. And sleeping in my Snugpak softie. The best part of that is the softie. Favourite bit of kit I own. So the thought of sleeping in a softie bag that is actually big enough for me is very tempting. Their mummy bags aren't wide enough.
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In reply to Post #25
Johnson ross are getting a small amount this week and another order in the new year along with the rest of the shops that are stocking them.
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In reply to Post #22
I've been told these will not now be available until January.
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In reply to Post #23
did like the look of these , seem to fold up nicely into a bed chair, Had a lot of bags myself but always seem to fall bach to my Glorith, although I will have a look at one of these but when they start discounting them, £230 is a bit pricey for a bag.
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In reply to Post #22
i dont buy into this myth peddled by a few that only the likes of Snugpak, or only UK companies can make reliable, quality products. Its utter tosh in a lot of cases and just an excuse to charge a premium.
I dont remember ever changing a sleeping bag because its faulty ... ive only had a handful of fishing style sleeping bags over the years ranging from the cheap and cheerful to, at the time top of range Trakker Armotexx . None have ever been changed because they were faulty, only changed for changes sake.
Ive also had basic camping sub £30 bags (used in a caravan) that have been used for 15-20 years with no issues.
Apart from the zip im not sure how a sleeping bag can become faulty without user error. If someone is changing a sleeping bag every year because of faults then they must be doing something wrong
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In reply to Post #21
I'm going to buy one just because if there anything like the quality of the snug pac range they will last for years!
If the quality is there the price maybe justified.
They start at £229.99 not £250 as stated on here (green version, camo £250)
Add up all the money you've spent every year on new shelters, rods etc and ask yourself , do I need to buy all that gear every year???
Buy once and pay once!
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In reply to Post #20
Decadence can be one of the best reasons sometimes
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In reply to Post #17
if I bought one Paul, it would be pure decadence. and its been a few years since ive done that.
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In reply to Post #18
all in about 4 1/2 kg
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In reply to Post #17
does anybody know the weight of the ECWCS system?
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I think general appeal will be very limited. Cant see them selling enough at £250 to be available long term, unless another market is found.
Many who would spend this kind of money on a sleeping bag (tackle tart brigade, Trakker/Aqua etc fans) can park close enough that weight and size isnt a priority. For those of us that dont fall in that category I dont see enough is gained over the ECWCS bag to spend an extra £100.
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In reply to Post #14
I have been using the Snugpack Elite 4 for over a year now and it is much warmer than anything I have ever used from within the tackle trade. It is comfort rated to -10 C and weighs less than 2kg. My original Trakker pertex bag weighed 3 times as much and is not as warm. My Fox Ventec Lite weights in at 3kg and is not warm enough for me even with a bedchair cover. OK the Elite 4 is a mummy style bag, doesn't attach to the chair and the zips are not crash zips - none of this bothers me but it might be a deal breaker for other people. It cost me just £86 new.
So if the new Techlite is as warm and has been specifically designed for anglers and bedchairs then in my view they are on to a winner here, albeit overpriced.
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In reply to Post #1
Found out today that they are made in collaboration with Fortis, so it's a Fortis designed concept and bag made by Snugpak.
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i am not an early adopter of anything really. I don't change stuff for the sake of it and tend to wait until the prices are down and the verdict is in.
However , in this case. with a made in england, snugpak, 5 season bag, designed for bedchairs. im sorely tempted. i don't even need a bag.
But at this price, its very high end with a limited market. my concern is that it will never sell well enough to recoup the outlay and therefore drop in price. Neither will it sell so well that its eventually knocked up in the Asia and the prices drop even more.
I will just need to see one in the flesh so to speak, and check the zips. the material and filling i have no concerns over.
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In reply to Post #12
I believe that they are £250 for the dpm version.
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In reply to Post #11
I have a snugpak sleeper lite square foot, stiched two loops to the top so I can tie it to my bedchair, rated to -7,
for £35......£200 for a bag, ummm
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Although over priced imo the bag looks good
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In reply to Post #9
Dont know what size it is but im 6'4 and i fit in, just mind.
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In reply to Post #8
What's the size of the Aqua bag mate? Iv seen on the website it says 225cm x100cm but on the sleeping bag label it says 225cm x 91cm
Just got an trakker els bed but want a sleeping bag with abit of room
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In reply to Post #7
Will let you know my thoughts bud.
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In reply to Post #6
Be interesting to see what you think Stewart.
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In reply to Post #4
Ive got the aqua atexx bag if thats the one you meen and its excellent. Its nearly as warm as my fox ventec as but about half the size and weight. Im going to get the snugpak one to see what its like.
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In reply to Post #4
Well I have been waiting some time for this bag but reading the spec I will be waiting a bit longer untill somebody I trust writes a review.
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In reply to Post #3
That's the one mate
I don't mind paying top money if it's lightweight and warm enough all through the winter
Anybody used the Aqua bag??
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In reply to Post #2
http://johnsonrosstackle.co.uk/product.php?id_product=17215
And be prepared to part with a lot of cash.
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In reply to Post #1
Think you might have to wait for an honest review
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Anybody seen one of these yet
Need a new bag and was looking at the Aqua sleeping bag but these have you pop up 
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