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   Old Thread  #171 6 Jun 2014 at 8.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A 7 acre lake between St Neots and Huntingdon in 2010 on farmers land. A good friend gets permission to fish it along with one other. A 40lb mirror and a 28lb common are caught - these unpressured fish are easy to spot and the total stock is 23 carp with another two or three 30lb mirrors.

June 2014 and the stock is now 6 fish with the common being the largest. All throughout the winter the farmer has seen an otter visiting the lake. No doubt it is visiting the other 3 larger ones within one mile too - one being a syndicate.

Will it happen to your lake? What do you think?

One area where they do seem reluctant to visit ( so far ) are lakes really close to towns. I am thinking of Lea Valley and Colne Valley in particular. But for how long?

Nobody WANTS to fence their lake, but what other options are there?
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   Old Thread  #170 25 May 2014 at 9.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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In the news 12 months back.......Norfolk

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272738/Distraught-couple-forced-remove-6-000-gallon-pond-garden-otter-ate-200-prized-fish.html
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   Old Thread  #169 9 Apr 2014 at 6.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The video on facebook (shared by the PAG) is from an employee from here....

www.teviotgamefaresmokery.co.uk

Which they claim is "a haven for wildlife such as badgers, otters, woodpeckers and kingfishers which have been spotted in the past year."

Seems like they have accepted that the Otters will take their fish
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   Old Thread  #168 9 Apr 2014 at 4.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just seen a video on facebook of an otter clearing the koi pond in a garden centre!! Cant seem to share it...gutted
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   Old Thread  #167 23 Mar 2014 at 9.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i don't understand what is happening to our fisheries why can't the general public see what damage these carnivorous animals and birds do, when i was a young man we used to get paid to shoot cormorants not anymore and look whats happened, a fishery owner should have the right to protect his business but i just can't see it happening for a few years yet i expect i will be dust by then.
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   Old Thread  #166 23 Mar 2014 at 4.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I wish with the otter problem we face I wish people (and I haven't read this whole thread ) would not call for an otter cull. We have to get across to the people in charge we are NOT anti otter but they have to understand that like a farmer if a fox gets in his hen house he can shoot it and if an otter predates in an enclosed body of water where it is having an effect on the lake own inhabitants fishery owners should be able to take immediate action.
This is not an endangered animal and neither is a cormorant and as such both should not be given preferential treatment

Measures should be given to lake owners to take an agreed course of action in defending there and other peoples livelihoods and the conservationists should realise that ultimately we all want the same thing but sometimes there has to be an element of give and take.
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   Old Thread  #165 14 Mar 2014 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And there are a damn sight more square miles with no water on them!!! I can't see them feeding much in farmers fields full of crops.....

Even 10000 is mental. One, two or three mature fish a day.....EACH! Look what 15000 cormorants have done to silver fish stocks and there is - was millions of them 15 years back. And you can protect against them by stocking larger fish, scarers, shooting with a licence. Otter protection is much more difficult, time consuming and expensive.

But if you don't fence
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   Old Thread  #164 14 Mar 2014 at 7.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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one Otter per 5 square miles


IF...the figure is true...yes your correct..but since an otter covers up 30km's...there are a few crossing paths, mating etc hey

10,000...one otter needs approx. 1.5kg of food per day, that's a lot of gills to chew up when you times 1.5 with 10,000 mate
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   Old Thread  #163 14 Mar 2014 at 6.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If that's the same organization that did the parakeet survey a couple of years back I wouldn't pay any attention to it, the amount of these birds they claimed were in the wild could be found in Richmond park at any given time, the actual number of them was at least 4 times their figure.

If this otter survey is out by the same margin....

Big trouble!
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   Old Thread  #162 13 Mar 2014 at 4.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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that was natural Englands figures so you could double that
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   Old Thread  #161 12 Mar 2014 at 6.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So if those number estimates are true that's only one Otter per 5 square miles , hardly a figure of epic proportions .............
Take the 425 away that have been found dead on the road and that gives one at just under 5.5 square miles .
That's only England mind you , I can only imagine that Otter figure makes up the total for the British Isles as a whole so the square miles per otter would be considerably more
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   Old Thread  #160 12 Mar 2014 at 9.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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a sad but truth fact

fence or get your fish stocks killed

edited as I swore like I had a bought or turrets...!!!



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   Old Thread  #159 12 Mar 2014 at 9.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
From Adam's report included in The Big Picture report detailing otter predation on Cornwall:

"Who is to blame? The Tamar Otter Sanctuary, Cornwall Wildlife Trusts and the private do-gooders with their own agenda and release programmes.

There are now so many dog otters in my area that they are fighting for territory, a fact that the Cornish
Wildlife Trust admits to. They have been released into areas where, in the past, they never even existed. Itís a totally man- made problem. These people should be made to pay for all the damage to the ecosystems that they have destroyed by overt reintroduction of an apex predator with no natural enemies.

I will stand by what I have written. There is no future whatsoever for Cornish/Devon coarse angling unless the fishery
is prepared to fence the venue, hence my saying Ďno fence no fish`. I go to sleep thinking about what has and is happening and wake up after a disturbed night still thinking about it. Thatís not good, and it has been going on for the last 20 years


.Link to the full report.

And some of you wonder why I have been fishing predominantly in France for the past 20 years

NO FENCE? NO FISH!
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   Old Thread  #158 12 Mar 2014 at 7.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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there is an estimated 10,000 otters in the country
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   Old Thread  #157 11 Mar 2014 at 7.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just about finished "The Big Picture" which you can read from the PAG website. So many shocking stories backed up with facts and figures.

"Approximately 425 dead otters found in England between 2007-9" is astounding

. How many of the things are there alive right now? I just cannot comprehend how so many carpers do not see how vital it is to help our sport. Join the Angling Trust, keep asking your club or syndicate when it will fence and take pictures of any mutilated fish you find
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