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   Old Thread  #91 24 Jan 2014 at 2.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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filmed by the tamar otter sanctuary scumbags
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   Old Thread  #90 24 Jan 2014 at 1.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fSc_JE0q46I&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfSc_JE0q46I

otter kills an heron
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   Old Thread  #89 23 Jan 2014 at 9.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Take it he doesn't need them money then because they don't pay the rent. I know of a water with restricted access and an otter fence so its do able. They are waxing lyrical about the buggers on winter watch atm.
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   Old Thread  #88 23 Jan 2014 at 8.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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his decision....

spoil that natural look...ruins it for walkers.....access to lake for villagers etc
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   Old Thread  #87 23 Jan 2014 at 7.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I need to fence...END OF....its been refused as it has too much of an impact

On what grounds Joss????
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   Old Thread  #86 23 Jan 2014 at 5.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thank you mate

heres one.....my lake of which I rent .....ive done everything...and I mean bloody everything...its turned from a muddy hole into a wonderful estate lake...ive been congratulated by walkers and landowner alike...

"its never looked better..well done on all your hard work"

I will add its not just me, but committee and its key members...

NOW...after being ottered on several occasions I approach landowner with FACTS...not rubbish and guess work...I mean FACTS....im not the person to mess a round....im a successful businessman who don't do anything but FACTS

I need to fence...END OF....its been refused as it has too much of an impact

I have choices..

1) walk away from a lake ive fished since I was 9..im now 46

2) Battle with the law

3) run the gauntlet

today...I feel sick...sick because the Angling trust whom represent angling...(but only its members) don't give a f**K...and a most of their members are forced members...rant over...wake up fisherman as a whole...and that includes you match anglers....cause there aint going to be much of a future in angling very soon

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   Old Thread  #85 23 Jan 2014 at 4.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Gutted for you Joss and everyone who is trying to make a go of it and is getting decimated by otters after all the hard work that goes into getting something up and running.
Believe me I know that sickening experience of turning up to your own lake or should i say one you are running to be faced with dead carcasses of fish that you have invested time and money in and can recall the last time you caught the said fish you are looking at dead on the floor.
All this happened to me and a few friends a few years ago now and I have lost count of the amount of otter petitions and social media sites that I have signed up to or supported, I feel that although it is not a waste of time it is however a lost cause everywhere you look it is becoming more apparent that the situation is getting worse tenfold every year.

I appreciate that people/Anglers will say that you should of protected the lake with a fence but this is not always a choice you have for many other reasons than cost.

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   Old Thread  #84 21 Jan 2014 at 7.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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mate....that's horrendous

Can I please Urge every angler on here and every angler that you guys know to go to facebook and press "like and share" the PAG page

there are things going on behind the scenes...support is Vital to us all
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   Old Thread  #83 21 Jan 2014 at 6.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!














Seven picked at random

All in East Lancashire, I personally know of 12 waters being hit all the time - well 11 now, as we Otter Fenced ours last Summer.
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   Old Thread  #81 20 Jan 2014 at 8.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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sorry chaps....ive been rather bogged down of late with business, life and all the normal stuff that surrounds us....

I will get to your pms soon and YES Wandle...thank you
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   Old Thread  #80 20 Jan 2014 at 4.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hello mate i pm`d you for your email addy ,as i also wish to contribute to this topic in a pictorial fashion ,as you may know this is a topic i am familiar with ,but not heard back from you...??

cheers Adam
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   Old Thread  #79 20 Jan 2014 at 12.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can't sign it as I'm not from UK.
But i think the only way is the low suite.

P.S I see some very good business opportunities for fenced fisheries in the future but for those who used to fish in natural water especially for wild carp will be just a walk in nature
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   Old Thread  #78 20 Jan 2014 at 11.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Has everyone on this forum signed this e-petition , i looked this morning and its only got 900 odd signatures , which is pathetic given this is the single biggest threat to our sport at the moment.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/44656

Please take 5 minutes to sign this..


edit : Sorry if this is the wrong thread , Mods do you think this should be in a new thread , closing date is tomorrow 10.00 am i believe.
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   Old Thread  #77 20 Jan 2014 at 11.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
For those who read my last posts and got scared of the things I wrote please try to find out if my worries are real before scaring other people as E. A. can prosecute you for scaring other people of presence of otters.
So before sharing your worries with other people or in newspapers you can ask EA to comfort you here:
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/contactus/feedback.aspx
It won't take long. You can just write: I've read something on a public forum that makes me very worry about our ecosystem .. and just copy paste what I wrote or express yours worries.
If they don't give you the answers to comfort you than you must share your worries with others (If I were you I will ask for Secretary of State for Environment honor resignation ) especially with a agencies for wetland protections.

I don't have a clue about how things goes in UK so it is your fight. Still I can't help myself stop writing as I just saw what EA published here: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/sectors/39873.aspx

"What should I do?
..If otters are thought to be the culprit, there are several measures that could be taken, for example fencing and developing a small decoy pond close to the river or stream, stocked with low value fish and with easy access for otters . Variations in site conditions and the behaviour of individual otters mean there are no 'hard and fast' rules. Permanent fencing is an option which is known to work."
It is a STUPID recommendation . If you don't trust the lunatic (me) trust them:
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2013/opinion/should-we-feed-starving-polar-bears
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/about-polar-bears/what-scientists-say/can-we-help-polar-bears-supplemental-feeding
.. and number of polar bear are declining

While writing all this my uncle's saying keeps coming in my mind "The dog dies because of long road and the fool from someone else worries "
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   Old Thread  #76 19 Jan 2014 at 1.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
......(did't fit in one post lol)..Unfortunately I think only countrys in witch their fur is still expensive will accept them ... and if it is possible just their fur. Or maybe just put them on a big boat and send them to Australia to finish what humans, cats and rats didn't already succeeded.(last sentence was only a naughty joke, take it as a joke). ....



The otters are responsible beings. They chase their own offspring from the fishinground if the fishingground can't suport them. Human aren't. I am very sure that if the otters were really ugly not a pound woud be spent on them. I am very sure that the EA knows better than us the real danger but as they used public founds for breeding and if they do admit now that a massive overpopulation of otters are able to destroy entire ecosystems and that till "natural balance" is back may pass a lifetimes than some heads must fall at the highest level, and nobody wants to be in public shame. But sooner the danger is admitted sooner actions plans for preventing a ecological disaster. Things move very slow in E.U. due to paperwork so action plans in case of disaster should be prepared and accepted before the disaster come. Nature can hit back sometimes with incredible violence.

The "natural balance" as EU is seeing right now it is not the natural balance in witch otters and humans lived together since first human and otter encounter and both species survived together. During thousands of years of living together humans always chased otters for their fur, used fishingtraps in witch otters sometimes got caught, chased the otter for lowering fish stock. Otter survived even the guns, modern traps. We successfully exterminated them just recently without intention by poisoning the waters. The poison in the waters now are of course much lower than used to be 20-30 years ago. So why all this unnecessary measure of protection since the extinction factor was removed... Endangered and fragile wetlands ecosystems are now small and vulnerable and I don't think they can handle without major casualties the fluctuations between predator and pray till a "natural balance" is installed .... a "natural balance" that never existed since humans and otter lived together.

Please don't take this ideas as scientific documented.... I am just a lunatic who spent last 3 years in paternity leave and watch wildlife programs on TV while children felt asleep as I couldn't go fishing. Though, in some cultures the lunatics are respected as they say gods reveals future through the words of the lunatics..
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