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   Old Thread  #1  3 Jan 2014 at 9.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Ok chaps....this is a very sensitive issue we all face. Its happening all over the country and if it hasn't happened to you....rest assured it will.

I've created this thread for ALL of us to post photo's of Otter attacks...you may add the lake, area, size, cost any vital information that will help...

DON'T post words that will paint a bad picture of us Anglers, that wont help us at all.......
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   Old Thread  #258 31 Mar 2020 at 9.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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a fence is far more important than new stock
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   Old Thread  #257 30 Mar 2020 at 11.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My local lake Brighouse angling club has had do put otter fence up at a big cost to them money what could have spent on fish stocks and up keep still a great club
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   Old Thread  #256 16 Mar 2020 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know exactly how many otters have been rehabbed by UKWOT

3 have been rehabbed and released in the area that they were found

3 are currently in process of being re habbed, one of which has died.
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   Old Thread  #255 16 Mar 2020 at 8.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
After the idiot shooting an otter I decided to do a little digging in to the rehabilitation but more so the release of otters. So I asked Natural England and these are the two responses I got;

1 - Under the Conservation of Habitats & Species Regulations 2017, it is an offence under sec 43 (1)(a) for a person to deliberately capture, injure or kill any wild animal of a European protected species. It is also an offence under sec 43(3)(a) for a person to be in possession of, or to control a wild animal of a European Protected Species and an offence under 43(3)(b) for a person to transport said animal.

However, under sec 44 (1) a person will not guilty of the offence under regulation 43(1)(a) of deliberately capturing a wild animal of a European protected species, or an offence under regulation 43(3)(a)
or (b), if the person can demonstrate that the act in question—
(a) was in relation to an animal that had been disabled otherwise than by the person’s unlawful act; and
(b) was done solely for one or both of the purposes of—
(i) tending it and releasing it when no longer disabled; or
(ii) releasing it after it had been tended

With regard to the release of a rehabilitated otter, you would need to try to avoid doing so into an environment where it could cause conflict e.g. a fishery or that would compromise its chances of survival. Because the animal will have been ‘under the control of man’ (albeit temporarily), failing to consider the aforementioned points (i.e. appropriate release sites), could result in the offence of ‘causing unnecessary suffering’ under sec 4 of The Animal Welfare Act 2006. Obtaining landowner permission to release the otter is another consideration.


2 - A licence is not required for release of a native wild species following rehabilitation.

Ideally the animal should be released at or near the location it was found injured in suitable habitat.


Now bare in mind these responses came from two people in the same team, in the same office.

Basically it shows that depending on who you speak to there is a real different message being put out there. But ultimately you do not need a license keep or release an otter if the purpose is for rehabilitation. So DO NOT listen to anything UKWOT or whoever tell you when they say you need a license.

The glimmer of hope? If somehow you find out an otter has been released near your water without your prior knowledge then there is a law being broken and you would have a legal case. Proving the release is difficult though unless there is photo or document evidence, which no doubt anyone releasing one will not have.

It shows the farce that it is, no documented numbers, releases, etc. I would like to see a change pushed by the PAG and/or AT in the higher echelons they operate in, me talking to my local NE contacts wont get it changed.
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   Old Thread  #254 29 Feb 2020 at 4.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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An otter was found dead in Yateley this week( Shame) NOT.
Second dead one in the same area in 12 months
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   Old Thread  #253 9 May 2019 at 12.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Must say the PAG Big Picture 2 report is very comprehensive and has managed to turn a couple heads of people I have shown it to. The figures on losses and costs of fencing are the real head spinner I think.

Big props to the people involved
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   Old Thread  #252 10 Feb 2019 at 7.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Baden Hall has now been affected by it, all kicked off on a Facebook post with vids of diving otters and dead specimens. Hopefully they act!
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   Old Thread  #251 2 Feb 2019 at 8.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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this has all gone rather quiet?
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   Old Thread  #250 23 Feb 2018 at 10.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #249 10 Jan 2018 at 3.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I live I the midlands and have fished in the Trent valley for a number of years my fav water in the midlands being Attenborough pits and they have a huge problem on there which leads me to have to admit that all the lakes I've fished north and south of these pits are looking right into the storm of killings in the future as there is no way of fencing these waters! such a sad time for the fishing in Notts its never going to be the same again. I also had a 30 lber carp from the river last season with all its tail and fins mauled. im afraid the only way moving forward is to fish a fenced fishery and maybe some of the mystic and magic is going to be lost in the sport.
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   Old Thread  #248 9 Oct 2017 at 11.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
otters are only doing what they are born for hunt and eat fish the money we pay for our fishing should be used to combat this problem and the fishery owners should get grants to help them to keep there stock from this happening carp fishing is quiet expensive and a lot of care of the fish has to be second to none but this problem is killing our sport and killing otters is not the answer fences need to be put up in all waters and rivers monitored and ditches its a major problem and help and funding is overdue its time to help our fishing instead of lining there own pockets fish are getting attacked and the good quality fishing is getting harder to find my fishery has erected a otter net and monitored all the time but this needs to be in every fishery especially the little quiet ones
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   Old Thread  #247 24 May 2017 at 9.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A large percentage of fishery/syndicate owners are in it for MONEY only, all they care for is bottom line profit. There are measures of prevention that raise a word they despise COST. Maybe the past will come back where Carp Anglers Fishery owners are in it for the real reason I started in the late 80's The love of CARP Fishing
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   Old Thread  #246 30 Apr 2017 at 7.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Apart from being a criminal offence all your doing is making space for the next family of otters to move in. It's certainly not something that I'd be going around telling people I'd done.

Perhaps read the last line of Joss' post #1 - "DON'T post words that will paint a bad picture of us Anglers, that wont help us at all......."
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   Old Thread  #245 29 Apr 2017 at 7.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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