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   Old Thread  #308 18 Dec 2012 at 4.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I would favour a lower protein bait that has high BV where non of the protein is wasted and amply meets the carps aa requirement. Such a mix would obviously cost more money

Give us an example Sam
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   Old Thread  #307 17 Dec 2012 at 5.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Smurf
I have a terrible habit of rubbing people up the wrong way, so I shall tread very carefully with this one!

That is what I meant to say, this is a cheapER mix, I should have said (I was basically saying I am sure you can come up with better)

It is high protein and yes not all of it is available- not quite what I would go for in winter.

Imo in winter it is even more important to not drain the carps system and to get it bob on.
I would favour a lower protein bait that has high BV where non of the protein is wasted and amply meets the carps aa requirement. Such a mix would obviously cost more money

It is very good of you to put a mix up, so please don't think I am slating you.
Would I put a lower protein/ high bv mix up? NO! So I guess that is all I have to say!
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   Old Thread  #306 17 Dec 2012 at 4.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not been carping since the summer so I will answer this from my armchair

the protein content as it is very high in this mix, far too high imo especially considering the amino requirements are not quite met.

I don't quite get this statement....are you sure that says what you meant it to say?

As to 50% crude protein being high...If you take into account the limiting amino acids and if we assume that 80% of the crude protein is digestible (a figure I have used as an 'average', not based on hard facts for this mix) then we have a digestible content of circa 30-35% protein Thats a very good basis for an HNV bait to me

The BM1 is a basis for so many other things i.e. add some liver powder, yeast and shell fish extract for a 'natural' flavoured bait or bulk it out with bird food in the late spring for a high energy bait. You can do lots with this as a base....it doesn't cost much to mix up but that makes it good value not budget

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   Old Thread  #305 17 Dec 2012 at 3.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Another point well worth considering is the protein content as it is very high in this mix, far too high imo especially considering the amino requirements are not quite met.
I prefer lower protein in winter.
Just my opinion and I am not knocking smurf or his mix, he suggested it as a budget mix anyway I think?
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   Old Thread  #304 17 Dec 2012 at 2.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My thoughts on it would be, if you are winter fishing with say a hook bait and a two or three bait stringer, i.e. fishing for a bite, and if you are lucky catching A fish, it shouldn't be a problem, but if you are hoofing it in and they are hoovering it up, then I would say lower the oil content.
What are the chances of that though??

reverse psychology on that for me as far as im concerned-i do hoof it in during winter-and ive done pretty well as a result over the last few seasons, i just dont hoof it in whilst fishing-prefer to do it to a regime / frequency if you like around my fishing sessions, but equally you have to respect conditions beeing poorer than better -so you must fish when you feel theyres a chance-milder air temps,periods of lower pressure like the last few days for instance, afternoon sunshine, warmer wind direction-that sorta thing....i hoof it in to keep the fish in certain areas, and to keep them feeding-even if its very limited, those lipids get converted to energy-so i wouldnt take them out of the equation.
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   Old Thread  #303 17 Dec 2012 at 10.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My thoughts on it would be, if you are winter fishing with say a hook bait and a two or three bait stringer, i.e. fishing for a bite, and if you are lucky catching A fish, it shouldn't be a problem, but if you are hoofing it in and they are hoovering it up, then I would say lower the oil content.
What are the chances of that though??
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   Old Thread  #302 17 Dec 2012 at 10.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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im going by smurfs recepie listed, but tweaks(if any) would be small-im not sure it would need an emulsifier, but i cannot see how it would hurt either sam, if to just keep the lipids from clotting.
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   Old Thread  #301 17 Dec 2012 at 10.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So you would tweek it then.

Also depends what ingredient options people are using.
If people have chosen sluis clo equivilant and lamlac the oil content would be much higher than other options
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   Old Thread  #300 17 Dec 2012 at 10.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i think thats an acceptable level-though i,d deffo use a thinner oil and at about 10-12ml per kg, simply as the mix has -heat treated soya within which retains 20% oil in its treatment.
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   Old Thread  #299 17 Dec 2012 at 9.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fairly high oil in that mix, I wouldn't use it but if I had to I would at least tweak it and pop an emulsifier in there.
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   Old Thread  #298 17 Dec 2012 at 7.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I asked peter this and he said that hes used it through the winter months an caught more than his fair share of fish so the answerr is yes its ok.


If thats what Peter told you, That'd be good enough for me.
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   Old Thread  #297 17 Dec 2012 at 6.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ive been using bm1 with a couple of small tweeks,ive had conflicting advice and im not doubting anyone who has been good enough to help me out with advice,but some are saying bm1 isnt suitable for winter,others are saying its fine...is there a definitive answer???
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   Old Thread  #296 13 Dec 2012 at 6.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Going to make this one a sticky, as post #77 gives probably the best bait advise anyone could wish for, Thanks, Peter
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   Old Thread  #295 12 Nov 2012 at 10.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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cheers for that mate yes i think there's so many different factors involved who knows


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   Old Thread  #294 12 Nov 2012 at 9.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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wont be taking it out guy, just didnt really know what it was
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