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   Old Thread  #1000  24 Oct 2011 at 8.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
This should be a sticky, if you don't mind me saying so...

In recent years, the use of glass bubbles or spheres in a basemix, to create a pop up, has become very popular...however there seems to be little or no guidance around regarding their use, which is a scandal.

If inhaled, these things can be deadly, just as other things such as asbestos lodge in the lungs, so can these. Their main use is in the construction industry , where they are injected into iron girders and the like, to reduce weight. When used in the industry, positive pressure facial masks MUST be worn.

I know that even some bait companies treat these things as fairly harmless, its only a matter of time before an employee is made serously ill using them.

The bottom line, if you MUST use them to make a pop up mix at home, be VERY careful....try and work in a well ventilated place, wear the best quaity facemask you can afford, and try and "calm" the spheres by spraying them with an atomiser or by lightly smearing the inside of the bag with a little vegetable oil

Some people seem to know all about this - others seem blissfully ignorant - DON'T BE its your health

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   Old Thread  #1000  25 Oct 2011 at 3.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A couple of points on this ;

1/ Do you realise how small these are ? Less than 10 thousandths millimeter . Even if a carp swallows a pop-up and digests all the base mix the spheres will pass straight through as they are inert and too small to be ground up b the carps teeth.

2/The risks to humans using the spheres in bait manufacture are small , and neglidgable if you follow the manufacturers recommended safety precautions . Here is an extract from the 3M Scotchlite Glassbubbles safety data sheet which are the most commonly used type ;

Inhalation:
Upper Respiratory Tract Irritation: Signs/symptoms may include cough, sneezing, nasal discharge, headache, hoarseness, and nose
and throat pain.
Prolonged or repeated exposure may cause:
Lung Effects: Signs/symptoms may include difficulty breathing, cough, wheezing, weakness, increased heart rate, bluish
colored skin (cyanosis), sputum production and changes in lung function tests.
Ingestion:
Gastrointestinal Irritation: Signs/symptoms may include abdominal pain, nausea, diarrhea and vomiting.

8.2 PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (PPE)
8.2.1 Eye/Face Protection
Avoid eye contact.
The following eye protection(s) are recommended: Safety Glasses with side shields.
3M MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET SCOTCHLITE BRAND GLASS BUBBLES, TYPES B, K, L, and S 11/27/2002
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8.2.2 Skin Protection
Select and use gloves and/or protective clothing to prevent skin contact based on the results of an exposure assessment. Consult with
your glove and/or protective clothing manufacturer for selection of appropriate compatible materials.
Gloves made from the following material(s) are recommended: Neoprene, Nitrile Rubber.
8.2.3 Respiratory Protection
Select one of the following NIOSH approved respirators based on airborne concentration of contaminants and in accordance with
OSHA regulations: Half facepiece or fullface air-purifying respirator with P95 particulate filters. Consult the current 3M Respiratory
Selection Guide for additional information or call 1-800-243-4630 for 3M technical assistance.
8.2.4 Prevention of Swallowing
Do not eat, drink or smoke when using this product. Wash exposed areas thoroughly with soap and water.

This all sounds very dangerous , but if you looked at a similar data sheet for talc it would scare you sh1tless .
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   Old Thread  #52 27 Oct 2018 at 8.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Enjoy mouth damaging carp, trashing the bushes with empty stella cans and filling the lake with dodgy shelf life you sad, boring little chav noddies!

I think that sums you up pretty well!
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   Old Thread  #51 27 Oct 2018 at 8.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have you ever seen these glass spheres? They are much smoother than a grain of sand! They do not need banning and are 100% safe for the fish
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   Old Thread  #50 26 Oct 2018 at 11.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I wouldn't go near any bait that had crushed glass in it as it is not digestible

Simple as that I think the people that use it are just cutting corners, there is zero need for it, use a regular pop up mix and stop worrying..

Spheres will be banned soon, use something with longevity and be a bit more conscientious about your approach
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   Old Thread  #47 18 Nov 2016 at 5.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can attempt to be as patronising as you like but it doesn't hide the fact that you're a simpleton. There we go, no subtleties there, just straight to the point
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   Old Thread  #46 18 Nov 2016 at 5.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I didn't say cork balls were bad or evil.. I said plastic and spheres were.. the clues are in an understanding of the subtleties of well written English literature matey me lad.. and everyone is entitled to voice opinions
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   Old Thread  #45 18 Nov 2016 at 10.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not his first ridiculous post, makes me wonder if he's a familiar user who's returned following a ban.

Those evil corkballs eh? Why can't they be made out of a natural material?!
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   Old Thread  #44 18 Nov 2016 at 10.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What a daft reaction IMHO.

These glass spheres are almost certainly safer to eat (for us and fish!) than sand which is essentially the same material in a different mechanical form i.e. larger grain size and with sharp edges. Carp will naturally consume sand when feeding in many lakes. Also how many popup to carp actually swallow? Most will never swallow one in their life as they are caught when trying to eat it!

>or buy some ordinary pop up mix and roll them up,
Many of which contain some microspheres

If you really are worried that these microspheres will harm carp (which they won't) then may I also suggest you stop casting out a very sharp metal hook which is proven to cause a small hole in there mouth

Personally I think this topic has too many rumors in it and little fact. The main 'risk' in using microspheres is inhaling them during mixing of the dry powders when making popups. You must wear a suitable facemask if working with the raw material.

Can the topic be cleaned up to just say that and then locked?
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   Old Thread  #43 18 Nov 2016 at 9.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just don't buy and avoid spheres
I found out my Crafty Catcher pop ups contained spheres so I binned the pot
I wouldn't cast glass, plastic or anything artificial anywhere near precious carp personally
If you want to make pop ups, just microwave some sinking boilies carefully or buy some ordinary pop up mix and roll them up, why faff about with stupid spheres, cork balls etc??
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   Old Thread  #42 15 Feb 2016 at 8.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have you read all of this topic? Some microspheres are SAFE for human consumption and used in food.....until you have seen/used them and realised how tiny they actually can be then I am not sure how you can call for an EU ban

Carp eat sand naturally if its in the lake bed.....rough sand or tiny small perfectly smooth glass spheres, I know which I would rather eat if I had too (and as a kid I am sure we have all eaten the other one on the beach many times and look, I we are still alive )

Personally I think this topic being locked at the top of the forum is a waste of space and a bit of scaremongering
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   Old Thread  #41 14 Feb 2016 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There have already been big moves by the EU for labelling of all animal food ingredients and best before dating. I would imagine putting glass in bait will be banned very quickly and people will start being put out of business by heavy fines sooner than you know it (and good riddance)
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   Old Thread  #40 14 Feb 2016 at 10.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Sounds like an absolutely dreadful idea and typical of an industry that has a very shady and gimicky side to it

What the hell is wrong with pop up mix, cork dust, cork balls and microwaved's??

Polyballs are horrible things too but not in the same league as glass

Stop covering your pop ups in glug if you want them to stay really bouyant, and keep them lovely and dry by putting a load of cheap table salt in the tub to soak up all the moisture, simples

Anyway I don't know why more people don't just stick two pop ups on if they want a really bouyant bait. Carp are not afraid of big double baits
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   Old Thread  #39 3 Jan 2014 at 1.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's fine. Never harmed a fish yet. We ingest more by mixing it than a carp does picking up a hook bait. Even if they'd swallowed it.
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   Old Thread  #38 3 May 2013 at 9.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think this is a well made point and, whilst some people are not convinced, I (and my employees) have a great deal of experience of this product from years of use.
Once correctly mixed and contained/supended in a mix it is no more dangerous than many other fine powders that are used in bait making, but in the raw form it is extremely light and easily becomes airborne. This means that it is alomst impossible for it to be mixed with other powders without the serious risk of inhalation by the operatives mixing it. Once inhaled, it may be 'coughed up' gradually but there is a significant risk of respiratory damage -particularly if used over a prolonged period without taking the neccessary precautions.
When we used to use this product at CCM, we mixed it in a controlled, ventilated environment and those doing so also used full face masks with battery-powered respirators. After several 'batches' we realised that residue was present on the inside of the masks and was therefore getting past the barrier the mask was supposed to create.
As soon as this was realised, we stopped mixing the product at CCM immediately and employed industrial powder mixers to contract mix batches for us. This is now what we do with every mix and ensures saftey, even distribution of the key ingredients and 100% consistency.
Forget the fact you think you may save a few pounds by buying in glass bubbles to mix with your own ingredients to make your own pop up mix; it is just not worth the long term, irreversible damage you will potentially do to your health.

In terms of it's safety for fish; remember that:
1: As a pop up ingredient it should never be swallowed/ingested by fish. (It must never be used as a 'boilie' ingredient that will be eaten).
2: Fish eat many natural items that contain grit, sand etc in their normal diet- these are simply passed by the fish. In the worst case scenario that the pop up would become detached from the rig and was eaten, the fish would manage to digest it and pass the unwanted material within the mix. (and this would surely be an isolated case which would hence be unlikely to cause any damage to the fish).

I hope this is of interest and strongly advise people not to mix their own glass bubbles!
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