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   Old Thread  #59 13 Jan 2012 at 10.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I thought it worth resurrecting this thread as there's a report in today's Daily Mail about a family holiday that ended in a death because a BBQ was brought into a tent to warm it. It's already been brought up in this thread as a good way to stay warm, although quite a few warned against it.

The most telling part of the article is where it states that BBQ charcoal is pure carbon which will then give of carbon dioxide and carbon momoxide fumes.

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Mother-of-two died of carbon monoxide posioning after pulling barbecue into tent to keep warm
A mother-of-two died from carbon monoxide poisoning after a smouldering charcoal barbecue was stored in her family's tent as they slept.
Tracy Screen, 34, had cooked a meal for her husband and two children on a barbecue and afterwards it had been dragged inside the tent to keep the family warm.
But the family, who were on a camping holiday in Gyrn Goch, Caernarfon, North Wales, in August last year, were overcome by the suffocating carbon monoxide fumes from the smouldering coals.
A verdict of accidental death was recorded on the housewife from Chesterfield.
Her husband Ben told a Caernarfon inquest how he felt dizzy and fell to the floor after getting up in the night.
He desperately tried shouting for help but got no response.
Eventually he managed to crawl outside the tent at the 20-a-night Aberafon campsite and shout for help.
Their son, seven, and daughter, four, were taken to a hospital in Bangor as was Mr Screen.
But their beloved mother was found dead inside the tent.
An emotional Mr Screen said his wife's death had left a 'big hole' in the devastated family's life. He said: 'We miss her and love her.'
Coroner Dewi Pritchard-Jones said : 'The symptoms you described are classic carbon monoxide.'

The housewife, who was overcome by the toxic fumes, passed away while staying with her family at Aberafon camp site in Gyrn Goch, North Wales
The tragedy happened as the family were two days in their camping trip last summer at Gyrn Goch, between Pwllheli and Caernarfon.
The fire brigade and paramedics were called at 9.30am the morning after they had dragged the coals in.
David Evans of North Wales fire service said the barbecue had been lit at about 5pm and a meal cooked, and then more charcoal added to maintain some warmth.
The parents retired to bed between ten and eleven o'clock. As the coals begin to cool the level of carbon monoxide rises, he explained.
On Wednesday the coroner said the BBQ had been moved into a central area of the tent.
'The obvious lesson is BBQ charcoal is almost pure carbon and will create carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide.
The smouldering of BBQ embers will create carbon monoxide and this is an obvious danger with BBQs used in a confined space.'
Mr Pritchard-Jones added : 'People should be aware of the dangers because fires and carbon monoxide deaths can be easily avoided

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   Old Thread  #58 8 Dec 2011 at 8.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Surely at minus 10 the lake is frozen ? and only cissys and CAMPERS have the bivvy door zipped shut in all the years I been carping never ever zipped the door shut had it down and baitbucket holding it in driving rain or the top down and bottom ten inches zipped up but could not zip the door up completely cant understand anyone doing that
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   Old Thread  #57 8 Dec 2011 at 6.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ive fished in temperatures down to -10 then lake iced upso i know i can fish in any fishable temperature! MY trakker peachskin didnt let me down you can go fishing in any temperature as long as you dress right, the only problem isthat it takes too long to get out ur bag open bivvy door to strike your rods
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   Old Thread  #56 7 Dec 2011 at 8.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeh know what you mean ,, stops the condensation on my DVD,player
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   Old Thread  #55 3 Dec 2011 at 11.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I personnally use a "camping gaz" biwy heater all winter long (roughly the same than coleman heater).
I leave my biwy door completly open, that-'s all, and I sleep with it without any problem.
I DO have a Co alarm on my biwy table, never did a noise.

And I DO have good warm clothing and very good bag, thanks in advance

this heater is perfect cause you need only one 470 bottle by night, so no need to wake up and change bottle as with most of the other ones.
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   Old Thread  #54 3 Dec 2011 at 8.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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, fish europe and man up yourself matey.
Dont tell me, you will come back with all the terrible conditions you have fished in throughout europe
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   Old Thread  #53 3 Dec 2011 at 7.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Grow a pair and man up ffs!!!!! Quality clothes / hat / bag and you should be fine. Or theres always knitting to take up
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   Old Thread  #52 3 Dec 2011 at 7.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There are plenty of small camping gas heaters around with built in safety features. If you need a heater then spend decent money and get a safe one that has all the features inbuilt, or invest in a proper warning system. I have a heater, and it is a full feature job with all the safety features built in, but i still keep the bivvie well ventilated and never fish a closed up bivvie even if i had no heater, because i want to be able to see out and keep an eye on my gear, so the most cover i ever use at the front of the bivvie is the mozzie infills that most bivvies have now days.
And i dont sleep with the heater on. Start getting sleepy ? Time to turn the zeater off and get your head down in a decent sleeping bag that you wont wake up in feeling cold.
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   Old Thread  #51 3 Dec 2011 at 5.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Best hot water bottle around = a dog!
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   Old Thread  #50 2 Dec 2011 at 6.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I use a hot water bottle but have just started using my giant peacock handwarmer i use on the marsh when its bloody cold does the job and safely to burns for roughly 30 hrs and wont go out either

http://www.peacockhandwarmers.co.uk/product.html
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   Old Thread  #49 2 Dec 2011 at 5.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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just boil the kettle have a brew and leave the kettle in the bivvy, with the door shut it will take the chill off, same goes at bath time peeps, i bet when you get out the bath you pull the plug, when infact the heat from the bath will help warm the upstairs for ages....just dont do it if you got little kids.
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   Old Thread  #48 1 Dec 2011 at 8.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Gas heaters or any gas appliance for that matter should never be used in a bivvie or a tent.
Carbon Monoxide is a killer it has no smell and sends you to sleep......just you never wake up!

A woman died only this year camping I think in Wales all due to a gas appliance being left on.

There is a plaque on one of the lakes at Wylands where a lad died due to a gas appliance.

Better off with a small generator about 60 with a small 400w electric heater about 12
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   Old Thread  #47 1 Dec 2011 at 7.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
There was a bit of ground frost at Horseshoe last night , as you can see, so I had a go with that Furnace Bucket idea.

I take it all back, no problems at all.

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   Old Thread  #46 30 Nov 2011 at 10.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Think I'll stick to my 2 Candle Food Warmer, keeps the chill out off the Bivvy, it's safe and makes a good table when not lit, and when lit I can keep my Brew warm on top of it (Stainless cup)
Best 14.00 I've spent for a long time
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   Old Thread  #45 30 Nov 2011 at 9.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So if you do nod off with it on. What happens then?

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   Old Thread  #44 30 Nov 2011 at 5.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have a black cat it's fine just as long as u have the door open a bit and don't leve it on when u go to sleep.i use mine so I can stay out of my bed for the evenin. Just DO NOT GO TO SLEEP WITH ON. I love mine
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   Old Thread  #43 30 Nov 2011 at 9.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There was another thread a while back asking people for unusual named swims and why.

I pitched in with one I know of one called Napalm.

This came about when an Idiot plus a Coleman Stove plus a Bivvy came together.

I think you can work out the maths on the rest
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   Old Thread  #42 30 Nov 2011 at 8.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm sure your other 1300+ post have been top notch but I think this idea is potentially lethal. It only has to go wrong just once and that's it. Goodnight Vienna!

As a youngster, to convince my mum to let me fish overnight I had to obtain permission from a lady to pitch a tent at the bottom of her garden. Her garden backed onto the lake (Shipton by Beninborough, near York) Then I had a bolt hole if I got too cold, too wet or too dark!

On the first night I knocked over this meths cooker thing I had borrowed from cubs and torched the whole lot! I had promised the woman that she would 'hardly know I was there' and next thing the whole family were there at 2am hosing down my tent, sleeping bag etc.

Bivvy heater indeed, pah!

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   Old Thread  #41 21 Oct 2011 at 6.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Seen someone light a disposable bbq in one of them pop up tents before....... .......... Well it was drizzling.
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   Old Thread  #40 21 Oct 2011 at 1.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just copied this from the chateau lake thread

just back from the reserve north. We caught three fish, biggest was an 18kg mirror. At the moment there is no competition for the carp. At the end of november this year, christine told me they wil putt two ton of smaller carps in the lake.

We had a heater and zipped our bivvy close, it took us a carbon monoxide poisoning, so for everyone, be careful that you air your bivvy.

For now it's waiting for better results!!!

Ps, it's bloody cold in the nights



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   Old Thread  #39 20 Oct 2011 at 6.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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you can get a 12v electric blanket

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-blanket-150x100-12V-camping/dp/B0011N5L1I
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   Old Thread  #38 20 Oct 2011 at 4.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Some how I can see someone coming up with the idea of electric blanket sleeping bags in a few years time. Seriously I cant understand the need for a heater in the bivvy. Correct clothes + correct bag = warmth oh and a warm hat 40% of your heat is lost through your head.
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   Old Thread  #37 20 Oct 2011 at 2.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #35 20 Oct 2011 at 10.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think the MODS should close all the bivvy heater threads. They just get out of hand nearly as bad as the baitboat threads.
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   Old Thread  #34 19 Oct 2011 at 9.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No you weapon, I get in my winter bag with my layers on, and I continue to be warm.
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   Old Thread  #33 19 Oct 2011 at 8.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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YEs im saying dont put it in the biv
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   Old Thread  #32 19 Oct 2011 at 8.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Utterly ridiculous. What you are recommending here is so patently dangerous that it is barely worth the bother criticising it. What do you do when the barbecue runs out - pour petrol over your sleeping bag and set light to it?
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   Old Thread  #31 19 Oct 2011 at 8.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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bluenod are u for reel that in the biv

anyone translate that ?
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   Old Thread  #30 19 Oct 2011 at 8.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
bluenod are u for reel that in the biv
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   Old Thread  #29 19 Oct 2011 at 8.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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it must be my upbringing,
but theres no way i'd put a red light on at night!!

"Oh, the path was deep and wide from footsteps leading to our cabin
Above the door there burned a scarlet lamp
And late at night a hand would knock and there would stand a stranger...."
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   Old Thread  #28 19 Oct 2011 at 8.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Com on Bri everyone knows you need red sparklers for night time .
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   Old Thread  #27 19 Oct 2011 at 7.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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have you got any more handy tips on endangering ourselves ?????

if your headlamp runs out of batteries, a good light source is a sparkler.
unfortunately they dont do them in red, so they will ruin your night-vision & alert any enemy forces as to your position, should you be near any tactical military types.

they make good hand-warmers when the lights gone out too...............
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   Old Thread  #26 19 Oct 2011 at 5.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Anyway, those of you sensible and responsible enough to be able use a source of heat and carbon monoxide, without setting fire to your bivvy or gassing yourself, you can't go wrong with a bucket bbq and a kilo of charcoal
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   Old Thread  #25 19 Oct 2011 at 4.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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you have to be a sensible, responsible adult to keep warm with one of these!

There lies the problem ........................

Because a "sensible, responsible adult " would never have posted such a plain and simply stupid idea on a public forum.

Ps ..............what with bonfire night coming up , have you got any more handy tips on endangering ourselves ?????
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   Old Thread  #24 19 Oct 2011 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not aimed at you dear chap, merely a generalisation. The assumption being sensible, reponsible adults are sufficient in numbers to warrant a generalisation.
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   Old Thread  #23 19 Oct 2011 at 4.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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and not forgetting even sensible, responsible adults are not immune from accidents

okay, what've you heard??

i'll deny everything unless you've got proof.
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   Old Thread  #22 19 Oct 2011 at 4.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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got one of these a few years ago and mainly use it in the winter.i keep it beside me and keep it light all day,but i dont take it into my bivvy
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Correct, and not forgetting even sensible, responsible adults are not immune from accidents.
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Maybe I should have added that you have to be a sensible, responsible adult

& thats kind of where it gets tricky............
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For anyone who insists on having a fire or heater in the bivvy can I make a suggestion, Go to your local Plumb Centre and for about 15 you can buy a carbon monoxide (CO) detector with 7 year battery life, will wake the dead if CO starts to build up way before it becomes lethal.

The best and most sensible post on this thread
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   Old Thread  #18 19 Oct 2011 at 3.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
An active bbq gets incredibly hot, personally I think its madness to recommend taking one into a bivvy door open or not.
For anyone who insists on having a fire or heater in the bivvy can I make a suggestion, Go to your local Plumb Centre and for about 15 you can buy a carbon monoxide (CO) detector with 7 year battery life, will wake the dead if CO starts to build up way before it becomes lethal. CO at low levels may not kill you but it can cause headaches and nausia(sp)
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   Old Thread  #17 19 Oct 2011 at 3.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Really? Im still here. Did you read the part about not closing the bivvy door? Maybe I should have added that you have to be a sensible, responsible adult to keep warm with one of these!
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I cannot believe what I have just read...................

........................A sure way to wake up dead !!!! And it will save any relatives having to pack away your bivvy !!!!

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try a bucket barbeque with a 1kg bag of self lighting charcoal. The bags of charcoal are about 1.50 each, and it will give you 4 hours of beautiful, pleasant heat/warmth. It won't just take the edge of the cold, it will make it lovely inside your bivvy. Just be very careful and DO NOT CLOSE THE BIVVY DOOR! When it cools down a bit, just shake it to turn the coals over and it starts roaring again. And you can cook on it too!

Here's one in action in the summer. Obviously, don't bring it in your bivvy until it stops smoking and is ready to cook on. It's less than 30cm in diameter. I bought this in B&Q for a tenner.

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Agree, bivvyheaters are a no no, get good gear and dont be a woos
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I like mine for reasons previously stated and the dog loves it. He is old and mard. I don't use it all the time but will keep it in the car for frosty nights. A mate said the same to me and after a couple of winters huddled round mine in the tent he has now got one himself. Each to there own i suppose
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   Old Thread  #12 18 Oct 2011 at 3.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Yes the water is freezing at that temperature, the point I'm trying to make is there's no need of a bivvy heater. Good themerals, warm clothes and a quality sleeping bag will keep you warm and safe
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-43 no thanks lad. Is water not solid at that temp? I heard something somewhere about water i think its called freezing.
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   Old Thread  #10 18 Oct 2011 at 1.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
-5.5 toughen up lad. Try - 43 for 12 hours
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Ive had one for a few years now and there great when its really cold, think i might have died without it last winter when it dropped to -5.5 lol. There ace for doing toast on as long as your careful as they can flare up a bit, ace for drying condensation in the bivvy and any wet clothes. I tend to turn it off before going to sleep cos of the fumes but have fallen asleep with it on before and woke up the next day still. Mine is made by wynnster. I think a few companies label the same heater, its the same as the vision one
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   Old Thread  #8 18 Oct 2011 at 9.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Good luck sablard out come the health and safety police
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   Old Thread  #7 18 Oct 2011 at 9.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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try the search button like this pleanty about on bivvy heaters

http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=279111
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   Old Thread  #6 18 Oct 2011 at 8.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i was on look out,insteady got a bloody good hot water bottle

It is safer too
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   Old Thread  #5 18 Oct 2011 at 8.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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don't like the idea of using a bivvy heater, anything go wrong with it you may not wake up in the morning.
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   Old Thread  #4 18 Oct 2011 at 7.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I bought a coleman from a camping shop, about 25..
Used solely for drying clothes when out for a fish and trying to dry bivvy out a bit before packing up..
Never use it for warming up bivvy, get a decent bag if you havent got one already..
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   Old Thread  #3 17 Oct 2011 at 11.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have never used one but thought it would be handy to have on those very cold nights (im planning to fish right through winter) just to take the edge off the cold.
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   Old Thread  #2 17 Oct 2011 at 11.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the safest way is not to use one .......bizzy heaters should be baned

were warm clothes and get the best sleeping bag you can buy
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   Old Thread  #1 17 Oct 2011 at 11.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just after some advice on what is the best bivvy heater on the market i.e the safest and warmest.
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