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In reply to Post #27
SHAMEFUL  
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#27 10 Mar 2010 at 9.45pm | | |
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In reply to Post #26
cocobeware
If you saw someone on the lake you fish handle acarp like that they had caught would you still think in the same way??? 
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#26 10 Mar 2010 at 9.04pm | | |
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In reply to Post #25
I agree the handling of the fish and the conditions seem far from ideal.
Not the sort of place i would choose to fish.But it's hardly what you would describe as animal cruelty is it...
However i do feel some of you are in danger of sounding rather pompous about the whole thing.
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#25 10 Mar 2010 at 5.47pm | | |
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In reply to Post #24
I dont think this is the way to treat carp...
here it is
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#24 10 Mar 2010 at 5.18pm | | |
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I think is more based around the fishes welfare. Not their general life.
I agree with you, we do give them a tough time catching them etc... that is life and the sport we are in.
However life is not to be cruel to the animals we care about. You see these photo's of pristine conditioned carp, they have been cared for, on the other hand we see photo's of carp, like the ones in question, that already have missing scales and are being layed on bare grass where rocks are visible. Would you shell out a tonne of money for these carp? I certainly wouldn't.
You say "a few moments" those few moments are vital in that the fish are well looked after, if a carp happened to land on it's back when coming out of the fish container it is more than likely to brake it's back, that's it, one gone, who's next? Does it not make sense when giving your customers hundered of pounds worth of fish to handle each one with care? Taking it out of the container using a sling is not going to break your back but if you don't, someones back will be broken in the long run.
I would be interested to see what Simon Scott has to say about all this.
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#23 10 Mar 2010 at 4.53pm | | |
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carp dont have much luck do they? a few moments of rough treatment by people who farm them, so they are basically a product as are chickens to egg farmers etc which dont have a comfy time of things in transit either, and then they get hunted and stressed and re caught time after time and photographed and manhandled and sacked and netted and stalked and hooked and pulled about and worn out to exhaustion sometimes and pressured by US.
So as a general question, who does them more damage? and on a regular basis? 
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#22 10 Mar 2010 at 4.34pm | | |
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#21 10 Mar 2010 at 4.18pm | | |
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In reply to Post #20
what anglers and farmers class as rough handling can be to different things some times you just have to get jobs done which can mean moving fish around very quickly when netting etc.. although should still be done properly which any good fish farmer or consultant will do but it still may seem rougher than say an angler would handle a fish, but that link and that story of rainbow is pretty shocking
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#20 10 Mar 2010 at 2.49pm | | |
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In reply to Post #19
Absolutely right Ken. Our local pisiculturist sorts his stews by lifting the carp from the water by placing his hand over the top of their head and then placing a finger and thumb in each eye socket before launching them about 5 yards left or right depending on their size.
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#19 10 Mar 2010 at 2.38pm | | |
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We are talking about French fish farmers and their laissez-faire attitude is that carp are probably the toughest of all the fish they stock into French waters and that they can take a bit of manhandling. They'd be laughing their socks off if they were to read this thread.
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#18 10 Mar 2010 at 1.27pm | | |
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I'm sure they'll be ok, pretty hard barstards generally speaking. Heard of one forcing itself through the gap in an old submerged car's steering wheel. Apparently the fish that did it was about 20lb+ so quite an achievement. Certainly doesn't look nice though. I think the more you treat them like glass the better. Was pretty rough that one, I was glad when they got put into the water, thought like 'thank God for that'.
It's still a long way ahead of what happens in slaughter houses, yet how many of you happily eat meat? All this ****'s getting a bit old to be honest.
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#17 10 Mar 2010 at 1.23pm | | |
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It just makes me so angry when i see this, i recently stocked 150 small fish (carp, koi carp, grass carp and goldfish) Even though they are as small as the palm of my hand i used an unhooking mat to protect them.
This is how every fish farmer should be treating their stock, if their not, the prospective buyers should be saying something about it, it's not on.
The safe way
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#16 10 Mar 2010 at 1.15pm | | |
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In reply to Post #15
A link to this thread and a couple of words would do it..
Tom
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#15 10 Mar 2010 at 1.12pm | | |
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i would guess that the majority of fish farmers are not anglers like areselves.They see fish with a totaly different eye, just a commodity.Ive seen similar antics in this country.
Lets hope the lake owner will learn buy (sp) his mistake of allowing it to happen and putting it on the web in his bank balance and lack of customers.
Maybe someone should send him an e-mail and try to educate the man,..any volanteers?
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#14 10 Mar 2010 at 12.06pm | | |
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In reply to Post #13
Gerry is spot on. I have seen some right horror stories when fish farmers arrive to stock a lake. Even the great Rainbow Lake was not immune. I watched a delivery of 2-3kg fish being "introduced" to the Lake in 1994.
Basically a metal chute was leaned against the lorry, a trapdoor at the bottom of the holding tank on the lorry was opened, and hundreds of carp plus were allowed to spill asre over bust down towards the lake. I say towards, as the chute was about a meter too short and the fish landed on the hard ground. They were then encouraged to go the rest of the way by fish farm employees wielding brooms. There were scales every where and quite a few fish turned up dead. Pascal was incensed and eventually made them stop being so barbaric, resorting thereafter to filling metal dustbins with water and carp and then gently introducing the new fish to the lake. If he had not been there I cannot imagine the carnage that would have resulted. I'm afraid the vids the OP draws our attention to are tame by comparison.
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