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   Old Thread  #205 3 Sept 2009 at 10.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry to revive an old thread........

Do you think boiling water helps against Weils Disease ?

That is, using it to wash pans ect........
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   Old Thread  #204 18 May 2009 at 9.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As for the card info thing this is the exact info the EA should have put on the back of the new license this year.

If anyone from the EA is on here please take note and include it next year ( also make the card a reuasble real plastic card that you top up at the posty each year - Smart card style this would cut the need to re supply cards each year )

Spot on post Ken good to bring it to the forfront of anglers minds. The hand gels ae available all over the place these dys and dirt cheap no excuse for not having a bottle or two in your tackle. I have carried at least one on all sessions for the last few years.
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   Old Thread  #203 18 May 2009 at 9.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
why do people kiss fish FFS if you put somthing to your mouth out of a rat infested water you deserve to catch weils disease....
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   Old Thread  #202 14 Mar 2009 at 11.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I know that I'm guilty in the past for Kissing fish after capture, and even tried before netting them (different story), but I carry an Antibacterial Gel I got from a Builders Equipment Supplier, to try to reduce the risks. Comes in handy for a couple of reasons. Working as a Store Detective, some of the scroats who we stopped were filthy (and I mean Disgusting), and it does also Kill the Weils disease bacteria.

All food is bagged and Pans etc are never left out out.
I've even got to the stage that my Baccy and Ciggie Papers are kept in the pocket of my combats rather than being left on my Tackle Box

I know that if I do ever get a Flu or Bad Cold I go straight to my Doctors or Local Emergency Clinic and explain the risks of Leptospirosis. Just about the first thing they always do is stick you on a 10 day course of Antibiotics, as opposed to the usual 7day and give you strict warnings that if any symptoms become worse to get back there or to A&E. Thank Goodness I have only ever had to go to A&E once when the flu progressed to a severe Headache. The nurses weren't too happy as they thought I was pulling a fast one, but once explained and they checked in the Big Black Book in the Nurses station were damn happy to keep me in for a nights observation.

Weils disease can be spread by many other rodents and animals, not just Rats.
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   Old Thread  #201 14 Mar 2009 at 10.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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VERY VERY VERY good thread, I myself have been aware of this disease since i started fishing over 20 years ago. I had it drummed into me by my father to be vigilant about cathing it and he always made sure i kept clean while fishing, and never left anything lying about (food/bait) and i have carried on doing this to this day. But my missus is a nurse so i now get all my hand gels for nothing and there very good too i even wipe my banksticks over with it just for piece of mind.
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   Old Thread  #200 11 Mar 2009 at 4.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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your questions have been forwarded to them mate and very good ones they are
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   Old Thread  #199 10 Mar 2009 at 10.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As stated in the other thread, sounds a good idea in principle but I feel that there are questions left unanswered that need addressing before considering this product as stated in my post #27 of the thread you link to.


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   Old Thread  #197 10 Mar 2009 at 6.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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hi guys i did post early on in this thread and while at the carp show i found one of these.



now you can protect your self a bit more,and not have to carry water on any venue....
http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=192684


used by our soldiers in the field.if we can get enough interest may be they will do forum members a discount....
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   Old Thread  #196 8 Mar 2009 at 6.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Right guys...I don't want to get into a row with anyone, so this will be my last word on the subject of a vaccine.

According to the World Health Organisation only ONE vaccine has been licensed in the wold, and that is the one Jim mentions, the Weils Disease and Akiyami Combined Vaccine, developed by Denka Seiken Co Ltd, Tokyo.

The company has NO exportation certificate and the drug is not available outside Japan. It is "possibly" (WHO's word) thought to offer limited protection against three specific LPT serovars out of a known 230. The WHO does not recognise this therapy as an effective vaccination against Weils Disease, though it does acknowledge its use against a tiny number of LPT infections. However, the WHO has not licensed this vaccine for export or for use outside Japan.

This is the ONLY vaccine currently in use in the world and it does not protect against 99% of known serovars and is ONLY available in Japan. China is working on an effective vaccine but admits it is nowhere near finding one as yet.

I am not scaremongering here. I for one would welcome a vaccine with open arms, as would the pharmaceutical industry that stands to make $billions in revenue from the sale of a successful fully licensed vaccine. All I am trying to point out to my French friends is that there is NO current vaccine available in France that is effective protection against Weils Disease.

The WHO states that outside the far east, France has the largest incidence of Weils disease in the western world. If they DID have a vaccine (which they don't) then it's not working.

JIM: this is for you...I am no doctor, but in this instance I think I can say with 100% certainty that the vaccination you have received is NOT going to protect you against Weils Disease. Please continue to take all the necessary precautions to prevent infection...and that goes for everyone both here and abroad.

(It should be noted that lepto infections occur frequently and are always treatable with antibiotics should the infection get so far as to require treatment. Quite often the infection clears up and goes away - often untreated - after causing the patient to suffer nothing more than what appears to be a bad cold. Leptospirosis infection in and of itself is unpleasant but not lethal, whereas Weils - the result of a deepening of the infection - can be lethal. This infection DOES NOT clear up: indeed it worsens and becomes Weils Disease)

Please, guys, do not be sidetracked by this discussion about the availabilty or otherwise of a vaccine. There is NO vaccine licensed for use in Europe. None whatsoever. Next time you see you doctor, ask him and he will tell you the same thing. So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep safe out on the bank, or you may end up a dead man walking.

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   Old Thread  #195 7 Mar 2009 at 9.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It seems that the real problem with an 'universal' vaccine is that their are so many strains of Lepto so rather like the flue jab any vaccination will only cover for 'regional' strains. Ken and I have chatted via pm on this and quite frankly the whole thing is rather confusing. In our case we have had innoculations and had the certificates that clearly state that it is for Lepto'. I presume that this is for the strains that are prevelant in our area of France (or possibly France as a whole) and may not give protection outside the area concerned. I have copied below an extract on a scientific paper on the subject that I pm'd to ken which possibly explains our situation but not the international one.

"Some people have more risk of catching the disease because of the nature of their job or their lifestyle. En ville, les catégories les plus exposées sont les égoutiers, les éboueurs et les employés des abattoirs. In town, the groups most at risk are sewer, waste handlers and employees of slaughterhouses. A la campagne, les fermiers et les personnes qui vivent à proximité des animaux ou n’ayant pas accès aux mesures de salubrité (absence de canalisation d’assainissement, d’eau potable ou traitée, non utilisation de bottes et gants dans leurs travaux quotidiens…). In the countryside, farmers and people living near the animals or not having access to the safety (lack of pipeline sanitation, drinking water or treated, non-use of boots and gloves in their daily work ...). Par ailleurs, les loisirs d’eau douce comme la pêche, le kayak et la baignade peuvent également comporter un risque. In addition, recreation freshwater fishing, kayaking and swimming may also involve risks. En principe, les catégories professionnelles exposées doivent bénéficier d’une vaccination comme c’est le cas en France par exemple où la leptospirose est considérée comme une maladie professionnelle. In principle, the occupational groups exposed should receive vaccination as is the case in France for example where leptospirosis is considered an occupational disease".

One further point is that as Lepto is a bacterial infection it is rather like Tetanus (bacterial) in as much vaccination is possible.
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   Old Thread  #194 7 Mar 2009 at 9.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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good point that Anthony ,,rats have a lot to answer for when you think about it.
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   Old Thread  #193 7 Mar 2009 at 9.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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quite worrying when you look back at the great plague of london and to think we arent capable of finding a vaccine for this
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   Old Thread  #192 7 Mar 2009 at 9.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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there is not a jab available as far as my gp is concerned at this point in time ,,,,,i had a lenghty chat with him this morning so i must back Ken up on this point.
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   Old Thread  #191 7 Mar 2009 at 8.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There is NO vaccine. None, nada, rien, zilch...

1) If there WAS a viable vaccine do you not think the world and its wife would be queuing up to get it?

2) If there WAS a viable vaccine do you not think the pharmaceutical license holder would not be pushing it like crazy so as to get its hand on the filthy lucre?

look here...again!
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   Old Thread  #190 6 Mar 2009 at 7.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ive read post 12 now sounds really nasty. Glad your ok now Ken mate
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