In reply to Post #288
I agree they do good work for all anglers. I was just making the point that IF all carp anglers were members carp Angling would be their number 1 priority based on fact carp Angling is the most popular genre.
I would never accept that anglers can't be persuaded to join the AT for cost of a bag of pellets or a packet of hooks per month. Neither will I accept that the public can't be persuaded to understand the otter problem.
It won't be easy it will need a strategy and the best brains in Angling inc the best media stars to deliver our message. In order to do that we need one voice and the funds to do it. Birdwatchers have managed to get unilaterally behind the RSPB it's time anglers followed suit and stood up for Angling
I agree they do good work for all anglers. I was just making the point that IF all carp anglers were members carp Angling would be their number 1 priority based on fact carp Angling is the most popular genre.
I would never accept that anglers can't be persuaded to join the AT for cost of a bag of pellets or a packet of hooks per month. Neither will I accept that the public can't be persuaded to understand the otter problem.
It won't be easy it will need a strategy and the best brains in Angling inc the best media stars to deliver our message. In order to do that we need one voice and the funds to do it. Birdwatchers have managed to get unilaterally behind the RSPB it's time anglers followed suit and stood up for Angling
In reply to Post #290
You will learn mate.
Don't be so arrogant to suggest if 'all carp anglers' joined the AT they will make carp angling their priority lol , look on their website to see what they actually do.
You will learn mate.
Don't be so arrogant to suggest if 'all carp anglers' joined the AT they will make carp angling their priority lol , look on their website to see what they actually do.
Not sure how many on here remember John Wilson, for all his faults he did bring angling to a lot of people on tv.
Here is an article on bbc - can't get much more exposure at the time than that - about otters:
John Wilson - Otters
This is from 2013, so for anyone on here who calls me a troll about otters, think I have been more aware than a lot who have now jumped on the bandwagon.
However, the sad thing is, if a tv presenter with the 'power' he had in the media at the time had no effect on public opinion , there is no chance now.
Tight lines to all
Here is an article on bbc - can't get much more exposure at the time than that - about otters:
John Wilson - Otters
This is from 2013, so for anyone on here who calls me a troll about otters, think I have been more aware than a lot who have now jumped on the bandwagon.
However, the sad thing is, if a tv presenter with the 'power' he had in the media at the time had no effect on public opinion , there is no chance now.
Tight lines to all
In reply to Post #292
Well let's all put the carp gear on eBay now then !
This is old news I am a massive fan of John Wilson the mans a legend but this is 2018 and a new band of anglers are in the spotlight ie Jeremy Wade Ali Hamidi & social media means every angler has a voice
The point I originally made was the AT rhetoric towards otter predatation has changed for the better
I was merely stating that that for me was enough to warrant joining and the more people we can encourage to join the better
Well let's all put the carp gear on eBay now then !
This is old news I am a massive fan of John Wilson the mans a legend but this is 2018 and a new band of anglers are in the spotlight ie Jeremy Wade Ali Hamidi & social media means every angler has a voice
The point I originally made was the AT rhetoric towards otter predatation has changed for the better
I was merely stating that that for me was enough to warrant joining and the more people we can encourage to join the better
In reply to Post #293
No need to sell your carp gear mate. There will always be places to fish.
Think you missed the point, yes it was old news , but at the time he had a profile that went beyond anglers, and if no one - who are not anglers - took any notice then how is it going to happen now??
As for Ali Hamidi and the others in the monster carp fishing programs he is in on tv with, not a chance of non anglers even knowing who they are.
Jeremy Wade is a different case, river monsters is an entertainment program and very good too, but to go back to your statement about people joining the AT, it will not be happening trust - pardon the pun - me.
No need to sell your carp gear mate. There will always be places to fish.
Think you missed the point, yes it was old news , but at the time he had a profile that went beyond anglers, and if no one - who are not anglers - took any notice then how is it going to happen now??
As for Ali Hamidi and the others in the monster carp fishing programs he is in on tv with, not a chance of non anglers even knowing who they are.
Jeremy Wade is a different case, river monsters is an entertainment program and very good too, but to go back to your statement about people joining the AT, it will not be happening trust - pardon the pun - me.
In reply to Post #277
As it is now St Piran's Day, maybe give your evidence of the 80 plus waters that you say have been affected by otters to younger guns to get your stuff on social media mate?
So are you saying there are no venues - except the one's you know are fenced - that are worth fishing now in kernow?
As it is now St Piran's Day, maybe give your evidence of the 80 plus waters that you say have been affected by otters to younger guns to get your stuff on social media mate?
So are you saying there are no venues - except the one's you know are fenced - that are worth fishing now in kernow?
In reply to Post #279
I've joined the angling trust today and parted with my £29
As some of us have said angling needs one voice and unless an alternative emerges the angling trust looks the only hope currently
the only way to have a voice in the angling trust is to join it
Rob Hughes has been appointed angling trust carp consultant & i think he has credibility
see his announcement on following link
https://youtu.be/UV_keLApBPo
they have helped secure a 3 rod licence, cormorant legislation and now campaigning for control of unregulated release of rehabilitated otters
the other thing i wanted to mention was twitter as I've started following groups both for and against otters, angling etc.
this has meant i have already exchanged tweets with nature lovers who love their otters...its really important we anglers maintain empathy with these people and what I've found (apart from the odd anti I've come across) is most people will listen to your opinion. what we dont need is an aggressive approach that does nothing but turn more people against angling. I believe that over time more people will be persuaded that in certain areas otters need to be controlled.
I've joined the angling trust today and parted with my £29
As some of us have said angling needs one voice and unless an alternative emerges the angling trust looks the only hope currently
the only way to have a voice in the angling trust is to join it
Rob Hughes has been appointed angling trust carp consultant & i think he has credibility
see his announcement on following link
https://youtu.be/UV_keLApBPo
they have helped secure a 3 rod licence, cormorant legislation and now campaigning for control of unregulated release of rehabilitated otters
the other thing i wanted to mention was twitter as I've started following groups both for and against otters, angling etc.
this has meant i have already exchanged tweets with nature lovers who love their otters...its really important we anglers maintain empathy with these people and what I've found (apart from the odd anti I've come across) is most people will listen to your opinion. what we dont need is an aggressive approach that does nothing but turn more people against angling. I believe that over time more people will be persuaded that in certain areas otters need to be controlled.
In reply to Post #296
Good for you mate,
Guess otter stuff has run it's course on here....... for now .
Well done with your 8 posts btw
Good for you mate,
Guess otter stuff has run it's course on here....... for now .
Well done with your 8 posts btw
In reply to Post #297
Maybe not completely run its course?? https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/577582
Maybe not completely run its course?? https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/577582
It will go more or less the same way as badgers, give them protection and when they get to such numbers they are forced to turn to prey other than that is normal to them, implement culls, usually at great financial costs, not to mention the detrimental affects to other species. some of which may never recover.
it's a result of city folk telling country folk how to run things.
I imagine most of you will now have seen video evidence of otters killing geese in the center of Wroxham on a busy saturday surrounded by holidaymakers, not the shy secretive creature it once was eh??
a cynical person might think it has seen humans before, and knows no fear of them.
signatures wont stop otters.
and yes I have lost well over a 100k worth of leney stock to almost 35lb in a lot less time than it takes to build a fence. in addition to scores of double figure tench,bream not far off the record, pike over 30lb, and roach and rudd that any angler would be thrilled to land.
then they moved onto the other wildlife, mussels, amphibians, songbirds, wildfowl, even swans are not immune from them.
they kill for fun rather than necessity, until an area is devoid of life, which probably went a long way to their previous reduction in numbers.
the clowns that made this happen are the same bunch who want wolves and bears, lynx buffalo and [insert latest crackpot idea here] into this small overcrowded island.
it's a result of city folk telling country folk how to run things.
I imagine most of you will now have seen video evidence of otters killing geese in the center of Wroxham on a busy saturday surrounded by holidaymakers, not the shy secretive creature it once was eh??
a cynical person might think it has seen humans before, and knows no fear of them.
signatures wont stop otters.
and yes I have lost well over a 100k worth of leney stock to almost 35lb in a lot less time than it takes to build a fence. in addition to scores of double figure tench,bream not far off the record, pike over 30lb, and roach and rudd that any angler would be thrilled to land.
then they moved onto the other wildlife, mussels, amphibians, songbirds, wildfowl, even swans are not immune from them.
they kill for fun rather than necessity, until an area is devoid of life, which probably went a long way to their previous reduction in numbers.
the clowns that made this happen are the same bunch who want wolves and bears, lynx buffalo and [insert latest crackpot idea here] into this small overcrowded island.
In reply to Post #300
Yep....what I said years ago.,all come true..got a released single Beaver in my local river,done loads of damage in one area already ...
Thanks to Mr Henk cattle breeder ,himself..my local waters will never recover,nor will the ecosystems..my evenings involve daily checking of two venues,fence,mesh ,electric..if it wasn't for me these lakes are dead ,finito
So last week ,fishing my elderly friends lake,a place I have loved since aged 14,...I'm the only one allowed to fish it now,plop,bubbles ,leaping fish ...I shook my head,packed up,came home ,wondering how long those remaining few carp have left ,are they dead,ripped up on the bank ,body parts missing ..
The owner ,my friend,she's 85,I have not ,will not tell her..
Yep....what I said years ago.,all come true..got a released single Beaver in my local river,done loads of damage in one area already ...
Thanks to Mr Henk cattle breeder ,himself..my local waters will never recover,nor will the ecosystems..my evenings involve daily checking of two venues,fence,mesh ,electric..if it wasn't for me these lakes are dead ,finito
So last week ,fishing my elderly friends lake,a place I have loved since aged 14,...I'm the only one allowed to fish it now,plop,bubbles ,leaping fish ...I shook my head,packed up,came home ,wondering how long those remaining few carp have left ,are they dead,ripped up on the bank ,body parts missing ..
The owner ,my friend,she's 85,I have not ,will not tell her..