I wonder if Red Kites will be the next 'reintroduced' problem especially for the RSPB, they are already causing problems LINK
In reply to Post #199
Only one person who should be fencing it for me and that's the owners if they really gave a **** and were interested. One thing it does show is that the lads fishing it are passionate about protecting the stock. Sounds like the bloke taking the ticket money is not
Only one person who should be fencing it for me and that's the owners if they really gave a **** and were interested. One thing it does show is that the lads fishing it are passionate about protecting the stock. Sounds like the bloke taking the ticket money is not
In reply to Post #197
Can't agree with you there scozza
I know it's not a popular opinion on here but I don't see the otters as the problem. They are wild creatures doing what nature intended. They had to have a release programme because of over hunting and destruction to habitat.
The problem is commercial fishery owners not adequately protecting their assets. Defiant has it right. Why the hell haven't they been protecting this key fish for the last ten years?
You wouldn't leave your front door wide open and then say 'why can't I just shoot any chancer that tried to come in and nick my telly?'
Can't agree with you there scozza
I know it's not a popular opinion on here but I don't see the otters as the problem. They are wild creatures doing what nature intended. They had to have a release programme because of over hunting and destruction to habitat.
The problem is commercial fishery owners not adequately protecting their assets. Defiant has it right. Why the hell haven't they been protecting this key fish for the last ten years?
You wouldn't leave your front door wide open and then say 'why can't I just shoot any chancer that tried to come in and nick my telly?'
In reply to Post #186
I feel your frustration it must be hard being on such a lake with the quality of fish knowing that at any minute it could all be taken away and there's little you can do about it
As a carp fisherman on another syndicate we went through this 4 years ago and all agreed to pay an extra £100 initially and then £50 per year to help with the costs
The owners have shown us the costings and we assisted with the installation
I am now on a different syndicate but do not begrudge the money I paid out to help protect the lakes
I think had you approached it differently and had costings, agreements etc in place and tried your fundraising to help you may have received a better response
Yours is not the only lake going through this.
Had all members paid an extra £100 per year over the last 6 years at 30 members you would now be £18000 towards your costs.
I believe every carp angler would love to see all fisheries fenced or better the still the otter population controlled but until then we all need to stand together.
I feel your frustration it must be hard being on such a lake with the quality of fish knowing that at any minute it could all be taken away and there's little you can do about it
As a carp fisherman on another syndicate we went through this 4 years ago and all agreed to pay an extra £100 initially and then £50 per year to help with the costs
The owners have shown us the costings and we assisted with the installation
I am now on a different syndicate but do not begrudge the money I paid out to help protect the lakes
I think had you approached it differently and had costings, agreements etc in place and tried your fundraising to help you may have received a better response
Yours is not the only lake going through this.
Had all members paid an extra £100 per year over the last 6 years at 30 members you would now be £18000 towards your costs.
I believe every carp angler would love to see all fisheries fenced or better the still the otter population controlled but until then we all need to stand together.
In reply to Post #203
Were talking otters here, not humans, same could be said for Cormorants
Saying that there's a few humans i would probably like to shoot if i could get away with it
Read 199. Like i said
Were talking otters here, not humans, same could be said for Cormorants
Saying that there's a few humans i would probably like to shoot if i could get away with it
Read 199. Like i said
In reply to Post #203
Natural otters i agree with. The problem (although its pretty academic now given it has already happened) was the release of otters without any study or understanding of the relocation site/environments.
My parents used to live in Hampshire and the river Itchen where they were has had a pair of otters there for 20 odd years, and is successful (and too expensive for me!) beat of river with natural brown trout (ie not repeatedly stocked).
The other factor is that the otters main food source is so much scarcer than when they were more wide spread (Eels).
I love seeing natural otters in the wild, however i despise the way that they were bred and then just released without any study or due care and attention. A slow reintroduction with relevant environmental considerations to allow them to find a natural balance over time would have been much, much better.
All IMO of course.
Natural otters i agree with. The problem (although its pretty academic now given it has already happened) was the release of otters without any study or understanding of the relocation site/environments.
My parents used to live in Hampshire and the river Itchen where they were has had a pair of otters there for 20 odd years, and is successful (and too expensive for me!) beat of river with natural brown trout (ie not repeatedly stocked).
The other factor is that the otters main food source is so much scarcer than when they were more wide spread (Eels).
I love seeing natural otters in the wild, however i despise the way that they were bred and then just released without any study or due care and attention. A slow reintroduction with relevant environmental considerations to allow them to find a natural balance over time would have been much, much better.
All IMO of course.
In reply to Post #206
Sense... which they didn't have, and still don't have unfortunately.
But this needn't turn in to an otter thread. We already have one of those.
Sense... which they didn't have, and still don't have unfortunately.
But this needn't turn in to an otter thread. We already have one of those.
In reply to Post #205
I think there'd be more humans on my list tbh!
Greekskii - agreed. This isn't really about otters. They never asked me to crowd fund anything
I think there'd be more humans on my list tbh!
Greekskii - agreed. This isn't really about otters. They never asked me to crowd fund anything
In reply to Post #197
The released otters would've been the ones dying by means of natural selection but some nutters keep putting carp into lakes that they can maim at will.
The released otters would've been the ones dying by means of natural selection but some nutters keep putting carp into lakes that they can maim at will.
In reply to Post #209
Ecological balance will not be attained if the biomass of the food source is artificially maintained or increased. It's why Grouse and Pheasant shoots need gamekeepers.( An oversimplification I know but an example to get the point across ).
Ecological balance will not be attained if the biomass of the food source is artificially maintained or increased. It's why Grouse and Pheasant shoots need gamekeepers.( An oversimplification I know but an example to get the point across ).
In reply to Post #208
In reply to Post #206
Thanks Tim. Every now and then you get a post like this, from someone who is aware.
Thanks Tim. Every now and then you get a post like this, from someone who is aware.
In reply to Post #201
Nah the problem there with the kites is human once more, feeding them! Can't feed them human food and then be surprised when the masters of the air want to start helping themselves
Nah the problem there with the kites is human once more, feeding them! Can't feed them human food and then be surprised when the masters of the air want to start helping themselves
In reply to Post #213
Red kites are like ravens ,and crows ,basically carrion feeders. If you put out food for them you are going to have a population explosion. Similar to the urban fox overpopulation. Which has resulted in mangy, scrawny,
half starved animals that only find release when they get run over in their droves. It's very sad because it's unnatural and shouldn't ,and wouldn't , happen without human intervention.
Red kites are like ravens ,and crows ,basically carrion feeders. If you put out food for them you are going to have a population explosion. Similar to the urban fox overpopulation. Which has resulted in mangy, scrawny,
half starved animals that only find release when they get run over in their droves. It's very sad because it's unnatural and shouldn't ,and wouldn't , happen without human intervention.
In reply to Post #214
This isn't aimed at you mate, but at what point do a group angling for captive bred fish, surviving on a supplemented diet to encourage unnatural growth, stocked with the sole intention of being caught become hypocrites when talking about natural balance and ecosystems?
This isn't aimed at you mate, but at what point do a group angling for captive bred fish, surviving on a supplemented diet to encourage unnatural growth, stocked with the sole intention of being caught become hypocrites when talking about natural balance and ecosystems?