In reply to Post #997
There are 8 million living in poverty sadly
I don't doubt for one minute that we have real poverty in this country but I do believe we have people that plead poverty but a look into their lifestyles tells a different story.
For those with nothing to do and no structure in their life they may be the type of person who occupies their time by watching Netflix/Sky smoking drinking even possibly betting. They might be the person who's fallen into a rut and can't be bothered to cook anymore and eats unhealthily. Now I'm not for one minute saying this is the case for all people out of work but I know these type of people exist. For them they have never known a life without what I've mentioned and to them they see them as basic everyday needs rather than luxuries. Those type of people mask the figures and take away resources needed for real genuine people in poverty.
There are 8 million living in poverty sadly
I don't doubt for one minute that we have real poverty in this country but I do believe we have people that plead poverty but a look into their lifestyles tells a different story.
For those with nothing to do and no structure in their life they may be the type of person who occupies their time by watching Netflix/Sky smoking drinking even possibly betting. They might be the person who's fallen into a rut and can't be bothered to cook anymore and eats unhealthily. Now I'm not for one minute saying this is the case for all people out of work but I know these type of people exist. For them they have never known a life without what I've mentioned and to them they see them as basic everyday needs rather than luxuries. Those type of people mask the figures and take away resources needed for real genuine people in poverty.
The majority of poverty in the UK is like an amazing life in 3rd world countries....... 
In reply to Post #999
I think there is a problem with wages, where work doesn't pay enough so the incentive to work is reduced. That's not to say that benefits should be reduced but I'd like to see a review of the in-work benefits which are in many cases basically subsidies of the private sector. There's more than one way of ‘sponging off the state'.
I think there is a problem with wages, where work doesn't pay enough so the incentive to work is reduced. That's not to say that benefits should be reduced but I'd like to see a review of the in-work benefits which are in many cases basically subsidies of the private sector. There's more than one way of ‘sponging off the state'.
In reply to Post #1000
Let's go fishing Adolph
Let's go fishing Adolph
In reply to Post #1003
I think there is a problem with wages, where work doesn't pay enough so the incentive to work is reduced.
Totally agree
Business competition and all. I will make one comment, China, and leave it at that, there are not many companies that can compete in the market place and pay decent wages, since they seriously exploit their people and pay them peanuts which in turn has a knock on effect to the rest of the world
I think there is a problem with wages, where work doesn't pay enough so the incentive to work is reduced.
Totally agree
Business competition and all. I will make one comment, China, and leave it at that, there are not many companies that can compete in the market place and pay decent wages, since they seriously exploit their people and pay them peanuts which in turn has a knock on effect to the rest of the world
In reply to Post #984
Hi Ocelot,
I don't blame the kid.
If you read all my previous posts, you will see you are, in part, repeating much of what I wrote.
Your analogy about plucking a young kid out of the Bronx has, in reality, been proven by the 1000s of blacks serving the community in high profile, prominent jobs, i.e. senators, state governers, congressmen and women, city mayors, police chiefs, district attorneys, academics, high ranking military etc.
Many intelligent black commentators believe racism is largely a red herring, used by race baiters like Al Sharpton to prolong the victim narrative. They are victims in a way, but the black commentators believe it is as a result of social deprivation, led by father absence, welfare dependency, bad schools, gang culture and crime.
The US Asian community is about 6% and they lead the median income table for all races, by a considerable margin.
Racism has little effect on their success.
I believe BLM have duped the black community into aiming at the wrong target. Police brutality is a minor issue. They should be protesting the Democrat politicians who have overseen their communities for decades and done little to improve them. The welfare system acts against the 2 parent family rather than encourages it.
That's why mother only families are now about 75%. They insist on blacks attending local failed schools and try and curb the introduction of Charter schools, which give black kids a better education.
Democrats traditionally get 90% of the black vote. It doesn't serve them to try and lift the black community out of the poverty welfare trap.
Do your own research to find out what's really going on.
BB.
Edit. As Joe Biden said to a black interviewer, " If you're having trouble deciding whether to vote for me or Trump, then you ain't black."
How insulting is that to the 1.5 million blacks who voted for Trump.
Hi Ocelot,
I don't blame the kid.
If you read all my previous posts, you will see you are, in part, repeating much of what I wrote.
Your analogy about plucking a young kid out of the Bronx has, in reality, been proven by the 1000s of blacks serving the community in high profile, prominent jobs, i.e. senators, state governers, congressmen and women, city mayors, police chiefs, district attorneys, academics, high ranking military etc.
Many intelligent black commentators believe racism is largely a red herring, used by race baiters like Al Sharpton to prolong the victim narrative. They are victims in a way, but the black commentators believe it is as a result of social deprivation, led by father absence, welfare dependency, bad schools, gang culture and crime.
The US Asian community is about 6% and they lead the median income table for all races, by a considerable margin.
Racism has little effect on their success.
I believe BLM have duped the black community into aiming at the wrong target. Police brutality is a minor issue. They should be protesting the Democrat politicians who have overseen their communities for decades and done little to improve them. The welfare system acts against the 2 parent family rather than encourages it.
That's why mother only families are now about 75%. They insist on blacks attending local failed schools and try and curb the introduction of Charter schools, which give black kids a better education.
Democrats traditionally get 90% of the black vote. It doesn't serve them to try and lift the black community out of the poverty welfare trap.
Do your own research to find out what's really going on.
BB.
Edit. As Joe Biden said to a black interviewer, " If you're having trouble deciding whether to vote for me or Trump, then you ain't black."
How insulting is that to the 1.5 million blacks who voted for Trump.
In reply to Post #1000
The old Norman Tebbit get on your bike solution. Bit so long as ain't a Jonny Foreigner, you stay where you are
#999
The old Norman Tebbit get on your bike solution. Bit so long as ain't a Jonny Foreigner, you stay where you are
#999
In reply to Post #1006
Great post BB.......
Great post BB.......
In reply to Post #1006
I believe BLM have duped the black community into aiming at the wrong target. Police brutality is a minor issue. They should be protesting the Democrat politicians who have overseen their communities for decades and done little to improve them. The welfare system acts against the 2 parent family rather than encourages it.
That's why mother only families are now about 75%. They insist on blacks attending local failed schools and try and curb the introduction of Charter schools, which give black kids a better education.
Democrats traditionally get 90% of the black vote. It doesn't serve them to try and lift the black community out of the poverty welfare trap.
Agree, or should I say, interesting
I believe BLM have duped the black community into aiming at the wrong target. Police brutality is a minor issue. They should be protesting the Democrat politicians who have overseen their communities for decades and done little to improve them. The welfare system acts against the 2 parent family rather than encourages it.
That's why mother only families are now about 75%. They insist on blacks attending local failed schools and try and curb the introduction of Charter schools, which give black kids a better education.
Democrats traditionally get 90% of the black vote. It doesn't serve them to try and lift the black community out of the poverty welfare trap.
Agree, or should I say, interesting
In reply to Post #1006
You're really not going to understand or begin to solve problems faced by any ethnic group without experiencing it first hand. It's easy to regurgitate figures and quotes from the internet but without first hand knowledge the ‘experts', politicians and commentators are pissing in the wind.
I do believe there's more of a misunderstanding of cultures than discrimination against somebody's melanin count. Like the post from this morning about people washing their arse instead of wiping contributing to the downfall of the country... wtf
I live in a ****hole and there are as many, if not more, white single mothers and mine was one of them. Doesn't sell papers reporting on them though.
And anybody wondering why people living on the bread line don't **** off somewhere else must not understand what life without money means. People can't afford to get to the shops, let alone buy anything. How are they supposed to relocate when they can't even eat or turn the heating on?
You're not escaping that cycle without help and help isn't there for a lot of people
You're really not going to understand or begin to solve problems faced by any ethnic group without experiencing it first hand. It's easy to regurgitate figures and quotes from the internet but without first hand knowledge the ‘experts', politicians and commentators are pissing in the wind.
I do believe there's more of a misunderstanding of cultures than discrimination against somebody's melanin count. Like the post from this morning about people washing their arse instead of wiping contributing to the downfall of the country... wtf
I live in a ****hole and there are as many, if not more, white single mothers and mine was one of them. Doesn't sell papers reporting on them though.
And anybody wondering why people living on the bread line don't **** off somewhere else must not understand what life without money means. People can't afford to get to the shops, let alone buy anything. How are they supposed to relocate when they can't even eat or turn the heating on?
You're not escaping that cycle without help and help isn't there for a lot of people
In reply to Post #1010
Sense at last
Sense at last
In reply to Post #1010
So what do you think the problems are Jon or the underlying cause?
So what do you think the problems are Jon or the underlying cause?
In reply to Post #1010
Hi noj,
Whether you agree or not, facts and figures are solid data that give firm reference points in a discussion like this, although I concede they can be somewhat manipulated to suit a narrative.
I disagree that I'm unable to understand the problems of an ethnic group because I haven't experienced them.
A lot of my info comes from intelligent black commentators like Candace Owens, Larry Elder and Senator Tim Scott who all grew up in poverty in the black community and know the score. Black academics like professor
Thomas Sowell and professor Walter Williams, both renowned economists, have written many books on the subject.
I have tried to list the problems and solutions of the US black inner city communities as those experts have spoken and written about and believe they are best qualified to do so.
BB.
Hi noj,
Whether you agree or not, facts and figures are solid data that give firm reference points in a discussion like this, although I concede they can be somewhat manipulated to suit a narrative.
I disagree that I'm unable to understand the problems of an ethnic group because I haven't experienced them.
A lot of my info comes from intelligent black commentators like Candace Owens, Larry Elder and Senator Tim Scott who all grew up in poverty in the black community and know the score. Black academics like professor
Thomas Sowell and professor Walter Williams, both renowned economists, have written many books on the subject.
I have tried to list the problems and solutions of the US black inner city communities as those experts have spoken and written about and believe they are best qualified to do so.
BB.
In reply to Post #1010
I grew up on a ****hole council estate with a single parent surrounded by drugs, guns and crime! I knew I didn't want that for my life so got out and started from the bottom sleeping on peoples couches but working and saving to get myself on a path I was choosing!
As for people not having enough money to go to the shops, heating etc well if migrants can get from Iraq / afghan, cross the channel and make a new life in the UK , well I'm sorry but I don't buy into that at all and proved it myself!
Many will fail trying to better themselves but if they want it bad enough then many can achieve no matter there circumstances!
I grew up on a ****hole council estate with a single parent surrounded by drugs, guns and crime! I knew I didn't want that for my life so got out and started from the bottom sleeping on peoples couches but working and saving to get myself on a path I was choosing!
As for people not having enough money to go to the shops, heating etc well if migrants can get from Iraq / afghan, cross the channel and make a new life in the UK , well I'm sorry but I don't buy into that at all and proved it myself!
Many will fail trying to better themselves but if they want it bad enough then many can achieve no matter there circumstances!
In reply to Post #1014
I grew up on a ****hole council estate with a single parent surrounded by drugs, guns and crime! I knew I didn't want that for my life so got out and started from the bottom sleeping on peoples couches but working and saving to get myself on a path I was choosing!
Tell you what Wayne, total respect from me
We had **** all when I was a kid but we still had a sense of ambition to do something or should I say this was installed in me from my parents
I grew up on a ****hole council estate with a single parent surrounded by drugs, guns and crime! I knew I didn't want that for my life so got out and started from the bottom sleeping on peoples couches but working and saving to get myself on a path I was choosing!
Tell you what Wayne, total respect from me
We had **** all when I was a kid but we still had a sense of ambition to do something or should I say this was installed in me from my parents