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Tank testing flavours (19 posts / 3,127 views)
viking
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Post #1 13 Mar 2020 18:30
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No amino acids or enzymes involved, just known flavour components on a PG base. The mix is based on commonly used flavor components blended in similar ratios as used in some commercial flavours.
5ml of flavor was added to 2 litres of water.
200 ml of the water was injected under the gravel via a tube.
VIDEO HERE
Monkeypox
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Post #2 13 Mar 2020 20:42
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What can 99 percent of flavorings do apart from changing the ph level.?
Ynnek
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Post #3 14 Mar 2020 06:32
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What components are used?

What is your observation?
viking
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Post #4 14 Mar 2020 10:57
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What can 99 percent of flavorings do apart from changing the ph level.?

I used to say that too. Then I educated myself and found that many flavor components are found in nature and that they are on the lists of possible attractants and stimulants.

What components are used?

What is your observation?


6 different substances found in fruit, milk, and nut flavours.

A pretty good reaction, seemingly better than I have had from any of the substances alone.
By no means a scientific test, but quite surprising tbo.
Ynnek
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Post #5 14 Mar 2020 15:05
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Hi Viking,

Interesting findings
Monkeypox
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Post #6 14 Mar 2020 20:17
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Most commercial flavorings are acid based , giving purely a change in PH. No need to waste your money on flavours as your bait will change the ph level.
christian
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Post #7 14 Mar 2020 20:49
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Sorry I don't buy it, a few mm of flavour per kilo of bait is not going to change the pH of the water around the bait out in the pond.
And of course the pH of a flavour does not explain why some flavours are better than others of the same pH.
woody71
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Post #8 15 Mar 2020 12:56
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Its not just a ph change though is it, many years ago when single hookbaits were starting to produce very well we did a lot of testing on ph levels, yet some flavours were far more effective than others with the same acidic ph level.
viking
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Post #9 15 Mar 2020 14:09
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I agree.
There is 1800 pages of different components in my book on flavour ingredients.
A lot of these fall into the categories mentioned as possible attractants.
Monkeypox
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Post #10 15 Mar 2020 14:15
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These flavorings are developed for the food industry , not for fishing , why would there be components in there that are attractive to carp. These flavorings are just esters .
viking
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Post #11 15 Mar 2020 14:57
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The flavor components I used are pure chemicals, naturally occuring in foodstuff and animals.
They are not only esters, but a whole range of different substances.
Sorry, mate, you really don't know what you are talking about here. Read a bit about it, don't just repeat what you have been told.
Monkeypox
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Post #12 15 Mar 2020 15:36
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You may be using something completely different to what is available to the fishing industry , if so please post me a link to these flavourings.
Monkeypox
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Post #13 15 Mar 2020 16:48
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Sorry re read the thread your using natural flavourings. My apolygies.
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #14 15 Mar 2020 18:27
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I can think of a number of baits that are definitely more attractive with flavours or essential oils or a combination of them. The carp in tanks and lakes would take them in preference to the plain boiled bait, even food source baits.
Garlic Oil, Cinnamon, Black Pepper to name just three oils.
Mix Garlic Oil with Megaspice, Cinnamon oil with the old Peach Nutrafruit, Black pepper with various flavours, all produce.

Even one of the best baits of all time in Trigga could be improved by the addition of a flavour.
Monkeypox
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Post #15 15 Mar 2020 18:31
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In reply to Post #14
Read Leobs report it's online.
JohnnyEnglish JohnnyEnglish
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Post #16 15 Mar 2020 19:00
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His name is spelled Loeb.

You should consult it yourself sometime.

According to you, flavours are useless, but Loeb himself received a positive feed reaction to imitation maple flavour.

Although Loeb did receive indifferent reactions to various essential oils, he emulsified them first in chemicals that may have had negative properties. His work is therefore irrelevant on the issue of EOs.

scaley&dark
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Post #17 15 Mar 2020 20:03
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but Loeb himself received a positive feed reaction to imitation maple flavour.

Now I wonder....was that because of the fenugreek it may have contained by any chance

NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #18 15 Mar 2020 21:35
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Loeb's report may be online, but practical experience from my own testing and experience goes against a lot of what is on there.

And my friend, that is far more important than reading up on something.
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #19 15 Mar 2020 23:50
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Hallelujah. Finally a voice of reason.
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