In reply to Post #125
Jimmy, this all makes complete sense to me.
One additional thought, the major UK Bait industry does export to the US. To do so, it has to pass US regulations, and Mainline, CCMoore, DNA et al seem to have been able to do so, consequently we can buy their stuff here on www.bigcarptackle.com.
I am sure EU Regs are different, probably more challenging, but given time and investment, probably the big bait suppliers can comply, given the market opportunity?
Suppose we will see how soon this may happen...
Jimmy, this all makes complete sense to me.
One additional thought, the major UK Bait industry does export to the US. To do so, it has to pass US regulations, and Mainline, CCMoore, DNA et al seem to have been able to do so, consequently we can buy their stuff here on www.bigcarptackle.com.
I am sure EU Regs are different, probably more challenging, but given time and investment, probably the big bait suppliers can comply, given the market opportunity?
Suppose we will see how soon this may happen...
In reply to Post #126
Not being able to take bait to France would not effect my decision to vote the way I did .
I see a bait company posted on Facebook about the situation along the line of - this is what you voted for , and then deleted the post .
Google bait company's and tackle shops over there and options come up .
Not being able to take bait to France would not effect my decision to vote the way I did .
I see a bait company posted on Facebook about the situation along the line of - this is what you voted for , and then deleted the post .
Google bait company's and tackle shops over there and options come up .
In reply to Post #126
Big UK bait companies will still export from the UK to Europe. We are talking here about anglers taking bait over for a fishing trip. Totally different situations. Same as a huge dairy company exporting cheese to the EU. They will still be able to but you won't be able to take any wether on a week's fishing or fortnight in Benidorm
Big UK bait companies will still export from the UK to Europe. We are talking here about anglers taking bait over for a fishing trip. Totally different situations. Same as a huge dairy company exporting cheese to the EU. They will still be able to but you won't be able to take any wether on a week's fishing or fortnight in Benidorm
From the Angling Trust
Anglers to challenge Brexit bait ban
15 January 2021
The Angling Trust has joined forces with bait manufacturers Dynamite and Mainline in urgently seeking clarification on Brexit ruling which will effectively ban UK anglers from taking baits with them on fishing trips in Europe.
Since the UK-EU Trade Agreement came into force on January 1st, the export of baits derived from animal produce, such as boilies, requires a European Health Certificate (EHC) to be completed. At present, the EHC for baits of this sort are under the same requirements as exporting animal feed which involves exhaustive and expensive testing, and certification from a vet. To make export to Europe cost effective, the Angling Trust believes bait needs to sit under a simpler EHC classification.
Mark Owen, the Angling Trust's Head of Freshwater, said:
“The Angling Trust has retained active engagement with the European Commission through our membership of the European Anglers Alliance and we will continue to press the EU to facilitate this change of EHC classification.
“It is apparent, from our understanding, that the current position will impact on anglers purchasing bait in England to go fishing in Europe once Covid travel restrictions are lifted as they would have to produce an EHC if challenged. We are presently seeking clarification that our interpretation is correct and more information will follow.”
Jamie Cook, Angling Trust CEO and keen carp angler, added:
“It's ridiculous that fishing baits for a species that is returned alive are being treated as if they were part of the food production process. I have asked my team at the Angling Trust to work with the angling trade to press the European Commission to see sense.”
The Angling Trades Association also hope to provide a briefing on the issues next week.
Anglers to challenge Brexit bait ban
15 January 2021
The Angling Trust has joined forces with bait manufacturers Dynamite and Mainline in urgently seeking clarification on Brexit ruling which will effectively ban UK anglers from taking baits with them on fishing trips in Europe.
Since the UK-EU Trade Agreement came into force on January 1st, the export of baits derived from animal produce, such as boilies, requires a European Health Certificate (EHC) to be completed. At present, the EHC for baits of this sort are under the same requirements as exporting animal feed which involves exhaustive and expensive testing, and certification from a vet. To make export to Europe cost effective, the Angling Trust believes bait needs to sit under a simpler EHC classification.
Mark Owen, the Angling Trust's Head of Freshwater, said:
“The Angling Trust has retained active engagement with the European Commission through our membership of the European Anglers Alliance and we will continue to press the EU to facilitate this change of EHC classification.
“It is apparent, from our understanding, that the current position will impact on anglers purchasing bait in England to go fishing in Europe once Covid travel restrictions are lifted as they would have to produce an EHC if challenged. We are presently seeking clarification that our interpretation is correct and more information will follow.”
Jamie Cook, Angling Trust CEO and keen carp angler, added:
“It's ridiculous that fishing baits for a species that is returned alive are being treated as if they were part of the food production process. I have asked my team at the Angling Trust to work with the angling trade to press the European Commission to see sense.”
The Angling Trades Association also hope to provide a briefing on the issues next week.
In reply to Post #129
The AT seems to think they have the ability to negotiate with Brussels over this... I think they're a little bit out of their league to say the least.
To say that boilies are not going to enter the foodchain because they are used by catch and release anglers shows a certain degree of ignorance too.
Many boilies are used by anglers to fish public lakes and rivers where removing fish for the table is quite commonplace in France and even more so in other EU countries.
Fish are also sold by catch and release fisheries and may end up becoming part of the foodchain - for example, several times in the past we've sold small carp to our local commune for them to stock in the village lake which allows anglers to take their catch home with them. We sold pike to a fish farmer a few years ago and there's a very good chance they became table fish - and we all know pike eat a certain amount of boilies.
We once sampled one of our nuisance catfish and were surprised to find the flesh was quite pleasant.
The following year we took a catfish from a friends lake up the road and did the same thing, it smelt funny, its flesh had a yellow tint and when we decided to give it a miss even the dogs wouldn't touch it. I strongly suspect that it was bait thay had tainted the flesh.
This is well above the AT's pay grade in my opinion.
The AT seems to think they have the ability to negotiate with Brussels over this... I think they're a little bit out of their league to say the least.
To say that boilies are not going to enter the foodchain because they are used by catch and release anglers shows a certain degree of ignorance too.
Many boilies are used by anglers to fish public lakes and rivers where removing fish for the table is quite commonplace in France and even more so in other EU countries.
Fish are also sold by catch and release fisheries and may end up becoming part of the foodchain - for example, several times in the past we've sold small carp to our local commune for them to stock in the village lake which allows anglers to take their catch home with them. We sold pike to a fish farmer a few years ago and there's a very good chance they became table fish - and we all know pike eat a certain amount of boilies.
We once sampled one of our nuisance catfish and were surprised to find the flesh was quite pleasant.
The following year we took a catfish from a friends lake up the road and did the same thing, it smelt funny, its flesh had a yellow tint and when we decided to give it a miss even the dogs wouldn't touch it. I strongly suspect that it was bait thay had tainted the flesh.
This is well above the AT's pay grade in my opinion.
In reply to Post #130
I hope I'm wrong but it 's only January the 17th yet it sounds like your are already resigned doomed to failure.
Granted not everyone but there's a few fair few on here that seem it's not ideal situation but not a showstopper
I hope I'm wrong but it 's only January the 17th yet it sounds like your are already resigned doomed to failure.
Granted not everyone but there's a few fair few on here that seem it's not ideal situation but not a showstopper
In reply to Post #131
There's loads of ways around these new rules. Bait from the UK should still be able to be exported to shops and venues in Europe, it just looks like it'll be a ballache and might increase costs. Theres also tons of bait companies within Europe.
Its a big change but not a terrible one.
There's loads of ways around these new rules. Bait from the UK should still be able to be exported to shops and venues in Europe, it just looks like it'll be a ballache and might increase costs. Theres also tons of bait companies within Europe.
Its a big change but not a terrible one.
In reply to Post #132
In reply to Post #131
The Angling Trust are now involved. They are lobbying the Government for a rule change.
https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
The Angling Trust are now involved. They are lobbying the Government for a rule change.
https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
In reply to Post #134
Look down a couple of posts
Look down a couple of posts
In reply to Post #136
I voted leave , and not taking a bit of bait to France for a weeks holiday is a hollow excuse to change .
I will buy bait out there , be it lake specials , or pre ordered French/Dutch/Belgium companies at tackle shops etc .
I voted leave , and not taking a bit of bait to France for a weeks holiday is a hollow excuse to change .
I will buy bait out there , be it lake specials , or pre ordered French/Dutch/Belgium companies at tackle shops etc .
In reply to Post #137
Bait shouldn't have been a reason to make you vote either way you're right, however being a member of several Expat groups on Facebook there's a clear pattern forming which I find sad. The larger companies in various different sectors are able to afford the extra man hours and investment into cutting through the red tape, the people left behind are going to be the smaller companies that can't - I've seen a lot of people looking down their nose at 'Freds in sheds' but that's where a lot of businesses start out and there's never been shame in any business staying small (quite the contrary in fact - small businesses often thrive by offering superior and bespoke products and services).
I read an interesting article yesterday by a UK>EU removals firm detailing all the paperwork now needed and predicting the end to 'man and a van' operations due to the administration needed to clear customs which is just one of the many examples to show that less than three weeks in and the signs are its nibbling away at cross border business already, with the little men set to fall first as always.
Bait shouldn't have been a reason to make you vote either way you're right, however being a member of several Expat groups on Facebook there's a clear pattern forming which I find sad. The larger companies in various different sectors are able to afford the extra man hours and investment into cutting through the red tape, the people left behind are going to be the smaller companies that can't - I've seen a lot of people looking down their nose at 'Freds in sheds' but that's where a lot of businesses start out and there's never been shame in any business staying small (quite the contrary in fact - small businesses often thrive by offering superior and bespoke products and services).
I read an interesting article yesterday by a UK>EU removals firm detailing all the paperwork now needed and predicting the end to 'man and a van' operations due to the administration needed to clear customs which is just one of the many examples to show that less than three weeks in and the signs are its nibbling away at cross border business already, with the little men set to fall first as always.
What I don't get is that we've had nearly 5? years, since the referendum, to get things sorted before 1st January this year 🤷🏻♂️
These rules have always applied to countries outside the EU and they are not new rules that were made up on 1st Jan. Other countries outside the EU still seem to get their products into the EU and have their processes in place.
But us being the typical British have waited until the last minute and now flapping, huffing and puffing about not having the right paperwork to get some boilies into the EU 😂. The rules are the rules and they have been there for a long time. People like Mainline, Nash, CCMoore etc could of easily of gotten all the relevant paperwork in place so they can export their products. Now it's been left until the last minute it's going to be a big rush and no doubt big costs now to get everything needed in place. Probably hoping for a deal to be put in place and didn't bother to prepare themselves for a no deal
And unfortunately all of these extra cost will be passed on to us customers
These rules have always applied to countries outside the EU and they are not new rules that were made up on 1st Jan. Other countries outside the EU still seem to get their products into the EU and have their processes in place.
But us being the typical British have waited until the last minute and now flapping, huffing and puffing about not having the right paperwork to get some boilies into the EU 😂. The rules are the rules and they have been there for a long time. People like Mainline, Nash, CCMoore etc could of easily of gotten all the relevant paperwork in place so they can export their products. Now it's been left until the last minute it's going to be a big rush and no doubt big costs now to get everything needed in place. Probably hoping for a deal to be put in place and didn't bother to prepare themselves for a no deal
And unfortunately all of these extra cost will be passed on to us customers
In reply to Post #140
Spot on..
Spot on..
In reply to Post #143
I voted leave , and without doubt things are cropping up that people did not realise , but I always thought it would be a bit chaotic for the first 6 months at least , with people having to change in many ways . The bait thing , within 12 hours I'd arranged bait to be picked up over there , and even if it's not what I use over here, it's not a bad replacement .
I feel for the people in the well thought out posts below, like smaller businesses effected etc , although I'm not sure what percentage of the average bait company's income is reliant on overseas sales , perhaps someone knows ?.
Polish going home ? , I work with loads , lots are only here short term , and with the work place availability over there changing some friends have gone home , brexit or not .
I voted leave , and without doubt things are cropping up that people did not realise , but I always thought it would be a bit chaotic for the first 6 months at least , with people having to change in many ways . The bait thing , within 12 hours I'd arranged bait to be picked up over there , and even if it's not what I use over here, it's not a bad replacement .
I feel for the people in the well thought out posts below, like smaller businesses effected etc , although I'm not sure what percentage of the average bait company's income is reliant on overseas sales , perhaps someone knows ?.
Polish going home ? , I work with loads , lots are only here short term , and with the work place availability over there changing some friends have gone home , brexit or not .