In reply to Post #121
What flavours would you use with the bm1 from smurf I'm gonna be using it on a 400 acre pit which get heavily weeded in the summer so would think there is plenty of naturals
What flavours would you use with the bm1 from smurf I'm gonna be using it on a 400 acre pit which get heavily weeded in the summer so would think there is plenty of naturals
In reply to Post #122
In that case, do you need a flavour?
In that case, do you need a flavour?
In reply to Post #122
Flavours are a personal thing. If it was me then I would look at natural attraction, I am a big fan of L030 in both liquid and powder form
Flavours are a personal thing. If it was me then I would look at natural attraction, I am a big fan of L030 in both liquid and powder form
Not sure if you will agree with this smurf but here is what I would do-
Use selenavite at 2%- this frees up 3% so I would add blood powder at 2% (should sort the flaa profile out a little????)
I would then add 1.5% wheat germ for digestion (ok so it is 0.5% over)
As an attractor pack I would add-
0.5% betaine
1% salt (has a good effect on aminos)
4% chilli powder
As a result I would do away with a flavour and add some salmon oil
Maybe add a palatant in too
I can not see these extras hindering the effectiveness but maybe smurf or ken can put me straight
Use selenavite at 2%- this frees up 3% so I would add blood powder at 2% (should sort the flaa profile out a little????)
I would then add 1.5% wheat germ for digestion (ok so it is 0.5% over)
As an attractor pack I would add-
0.5% betaine
1% salt (has a good effect on aminos)
4% chilli powder
As a result I would do away with a flavour and add some salmon oil
Maybe add a palatant in too
I can not see these extras hindering the effectiveness but maybe smurf or ken can put me straight
In reply to Post #122
Belachan and/or L030. Go natural, although having said that Monster Crab and Shellfish at low levels takes some beating in a fishmeal. Sorry to contradict myself but those two together have caught me the Lions share of my fish (with a good base mix of course)
Belachan and/or L030. Go natural, although having said that Monster Crab and Shellfish at low levels takes some beating in a fishmeal. Sorry to contradict myself but those two together have caught me the Lions share of my fish (with a good base mix of course)
In reply to Post #126
How about 50/50 shellfish Concentrate and mussel extract
How about 50/50 shellfish Concentrate and mussel extract
that will be the base mix of the coming year, will let you know how i get on!!!
In reply to Post #127
Sounds good too, whatever your favourite options are. I like GLM too but it costs more than Belachan
Sounds good too, whatever your favourite options are. I like GLM too but it costs more than Belachan
In reply to Post #125
Some blood powders are not very digestable so don't count on it for any amino acid content, having said that the mix is good enough anyway
Try wheat germ if you want but it can make a soft bait even softer (althoug the blood powder should help with that) so don't buy a sack load without making a test mix
Betaine
Salt fishmeals are already quite salty 
Chilli again though try a test mix or two, impossible to recomend levels as different suppliers provide different chilli products.
Salmon oil keep levels sensible 20-30ml per Kg of base mix should be plenty
Amongst its properties salt is a palatant
Don't think you will need any more but you could change some of your salt from above for MSG (which is also a salt, just a different type).
Has that helped or just added to the confusion
Some blood powders are not very digestable so don't count on it for any amino acid content, having said that the mix is good enough anyway
Try wheat germ if you want but it can make a soft bait even softer (althoug the blood powder should help with that) so don't buy a sack load without making a test mix
Betaine
Salt
fishmeals are already quite salty Chilli
again though try a test mix or two, impossible to recomend levels as different suppliers provide different chilli products.Salmon oil
keep levels sensible 20-30ml per Kg of base mix should be plentyAmongst its properties salt is a palatant
Don't think you will need any more but you could change some of your salt from above for MSG (which is also a salt, just a different type).Has that helped or just added to the confusion
In reply to Post #130
While your there Smurf, getting back to my original query.....
So, if I use Selenevite at 2.5%, which of the other ingredients would you increase to make up the missing 2.5%?
While your there Smurf, getting back to my original query.....
So, if I use Selenevite at 2.5%, which of the other ingredients would you increase to make up the missing 2.5%?
As to the missing 2.5%....a good natural additive or two will help give out a little more attraction
@ Chuffy, think he already did!
@ Chuffy, think he already did!
In reply to Post #132
Seeing as Ken says it's already a perfect mix, I don't really want to add anything to it though, just juggle what's already there.
Seeing as Ken says it's already a perfect mix, I don't really want to add anything to it though, just juggle what's already there.
In reply to Post #133
Honestly I wouldn't worry about the 'missing' 2.5%.
If it was me, and for the batch size I make these days, I would convert the % to grams by multiplying it by 30 e.g.
BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal = 600 grams
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60) = 300 grams
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe = 260 grams
10% Semolina = 200 grams
10% Soya flour (heat treated) = 200 grams
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal = 170 grams
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo = 170 grams
2.5% Selenavite E = 50 grams
That could give me enough to make a 10 eggs mix plus a coupe of different hookbaits mixes (cork balls, extra flavour etc) and some paste
Honestly I wouldn't worry about the 'missing' 2.5%.
If it was me, and for the batch size I make these days, I would convert the % to grams by multiplying it by 30 e.g.
BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal = 600 grams
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60) = 300 grams
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe = 260 grams
10% Semolina = 200 grams
10% Soya flour (heat treated) = 200 grams
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal = 170 grams
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo = 170 grams
2.5% Selenavite E = 50 grams
That could give me enough to make a 10 eggs mix plus a coupe of different hookbaits mixes (cork balls, extra flavour etc) and some paste
In reply to Post #133
Fair enough, I see what you are saying. If it was me and hitting 1 kilo mattered I would knock .5% off the cede and add 2.5% Brewers Yeast which I would have thought would further enhance the mix by adding more soluble attraction. Smurf, your views?
Fair enough, I see what you are saying. If it was me and hitting 1 kilo mattered I would knock .5% off the cede and add 2.5% Brewers Yeast which I would have thought would further enhance the mix by adding more soluble attraction. Smurf, your views?
In reply to Post #130
I think the blood powder is too soluble to count the aminos anyway (will disipate by the time the carp ingest the bait)
I'm not making the mix smurf, just stating what I would have done
Thanks for your opinion though
I have made your bait before and it caught very well, I'm on my own venture now though!
I think the blood powder is too soluble to count the aminos anyway (will disipate by the time the carp ingest the bait)
I'm not making the mix smurf, just stating what I would have done
Thanks for your opinion though
I have made your bait before and it caught very well, I'm on my own venture now though!