In reply to Post #106
Relevance being
i dont want to use a different bait to what ive used for the past 15 odd yrs.
most "supplied" baits ive come across (optionally) are silly prices. granted i dont pay over for my bait and i dont mind paying, but i do when it starts getting silly.
£10 a kg, when you use quantities like i do, it becomes very expensive. not just for me, but for others on the trip/s
Plus alot of bait firms i dont trust and trust is everything i my book.
Relevance being
i dont want to use a different bait to what ive used for the past 15 odd yrs.
most "supplied" baits ive come across (optionally) are silly prices. granted i dont pay over for my bait and i dont mind paying, but i do when it starts getting silly.
£10 a kg, when you use quantities like i do, it becomes very expensive. not just for me, but for others on the trip/s
Plus alot of bait firms i dont trust and trust is everything i my book.
In reply to Post #110
Who is charging you 10 per kg for 80kg that you want to take with you?
Who is charging you 10 per kg for 80kg that you want to take with you?
In reply to Post #111
quite a few i wont mention
quite a few i wont mention
In reply to Post #109
Le Moulin du Mee (Oldfellah's son)
Le Moulin du Mee (Oldfellah's son)
In reply to Post #110
The thing is Frenzy, lakes have nothing to do with these new rules and you will have other options than buying from the venue.
'I want to use my own bait' doesn't change the facts that are being discussed here.
The thing is Frenzy, lakes have nothing to do with these new rules and you will have other options than buying from the venue.
'I want to use my own bait' doesn't change the facts that are being discussed here.
In reply to Post #114
i appreciate that mate
i appreciate that mate
In reply to Post #114
And as you will know lake owners will only be supplying quality bait as no owner wants crap bait being shovelled in their lake.
And as you will know lake owners will only be supplying quality bait as no owner wants crap bait being shovelled in their lake.
In reply to Post #116
My biggest concern in all this is that our fish are super picky - many baits just don't work here, or only work for certain months. We know which British baits we can recommend but its going to be a steep learning curve trying to get to grips with French baits, I only know of one European bait that is consistent here. Its why I'd like to source a known quantity form the UK to use alongside French baits until we've learnt a bit more.
My biggest concern in all this is that our fish are super picky - many baits just don't work here, or only work for certain months. We know which British baits we can recommend but its going to be a steep learning curve trying to get to grips with French baits, I only know of one European bait that is consistent here. Its why I'd like to source a known quantity form the UK to use alongside French baits until we've learnt a bit more.
In reply to Post #117
i suspect alot of the french baits are quite far behind the UK's bait development and with the lack of choice now, i bet my bottom dollar those bait firms will use inferior ingredients.... that happens enough over here
i suspect alot of the french baits are quite far behind the UK's bait development and with the lack of choice now, i bet my bottom dollar those bait firms will use inferior ingredients.... that happens enough over here
https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
In reply to Post #119
Had to have a wry laugh when I saw that earlier. I'm not sure why the carp fishing industry thinks it has enough clout to change long standing customs rules for entry into the EU. I'm also not sure why bait should be exempt from the checks that apply to any to every other food or feed product when imported.
Had to have a wry laugh when I saw that earlier. I'm not sure why the carp fishing industry thinks it has enough clout to change long standing customs rules for entry into the EU. I'm also not sure why bait should be exempt from the checks that apply to any to every other food or feed product when imported.
In reply to Post #117
I don't get the inferenced that a European bait needs to be consitant here to work over there
English anglers try to infer that our baits are superior to basic French baits, now they probably are nutitionally but no one told the fish. Now if your fishing a pressurized English type water in Europe then you may have a point as the fish will have been educated to certain baits, but I'd say the vast majority of waters this doesn't apply to.
I don't get the inferenced that a European bait needs to be consitant here to work over there
English anglers try to infer that our baits are superior to basic French baits, now they probably are nutitionally but no one told the fish. Now if your fishing a pressurized English type water in Europe then you may have a point as the fish will have been educated to certain baits, but I'd say the vast majority of waters this doesn't apply to.
In reply to Post #121
I was talking from our viewpoint as a venue in France. By 'here' I meant our lakes
I was talking from our viewpoint as a venue in France. By 'here' I meant our lakes
In reply to Post #5
Well there is nothing wrong with going backwards
Hopefully, something will get sorted in the future
Well there is nothing wrong with going backwards
Hopefully, something will get sorted in the future
In reply to Post #124
A post I wrote on FB earlier, it may be of interest to some on here... I'd got fed up with seeing so many daft comments, especially on the AT post which fanned the flames....
It seems that lots of carp anglers are feeling victimised by the EU right now regarding the bait situation. I can assure you that the guys and gals in Brussels didn't purposefully go out of their way to stick it to British carp anglers.
The rules that outlaw bait and other foodstuffs from being brought over the border post Brexit are long standing rules for countries outside of the EU's single market. It is also the rule for entry into many countries in the world for biosecurity reasons - many are much stricter. Even if a product is made to EU standards it needs to go through the proper checks and customs procedures which include things like veterinary checks, all of which aren't feasible when your just taking 30kg with you on holiday.
UK bait companies will still be able to export into the EU, however they will now have go through the same export procedures as every other nation in the world has to when they export products into the EU. This is turning out to be difficult as the procedures for exporting animal feeds into EU is quite extensive by the sounds of things.
Boilies are classed as an animal feed in Europe because freshwater fish are commonly eaten all over Europe therefore boilies are likely to enter into the human foodchain. This is certainly true of France where many communal lakes and state owned waterways allow you to take your catch home with you.
The reason why these customs checks have become necessary now is because by leaving the EU single market we have taken over control of many laws and standards that the EU has had control over. In order to protect it's citizens and its livestock from foods and feeds inferior to the standards set by EU law, these customs checks are now required to ensure that everything that passes into the single market meets these standards. Until the start of this month, the UK customs agents were in charge of policing these rules from imports from the USA for example.
The writing was on the wall for all these changes years ago, they aren't a surprise.
I'm sure this is obvious to many, however I felt I had to write something after reading literally hundreds of comments from angry carp anglers over the last few days who seem to think that this is some kind of punishment from Brussels and that they'll 'change their minds' soon enough ect.
This is what Brexit is, this isn't political, this is the new normal and quite frankly, carp fishing will barely register on the radar when it comes to the headaches these new customs procedures are causing right now. It will settle down soon enough as both businesses and governments get to grips with the changes.
But the rules won't change.
A post I wrote on FB earlier, it may be of interest to some on here... I'd got fed up with seeing so many daft comments, especially on the AT post which fanned the flames....
It seems that lots of carp anglers are feeling victimised by the EU right now regarding the bait situation. I can assure you that the guys and gals in Brussels didn't purposefully go out of their way to stick it to British carp anglers.
The rules that outlaw bait and other foodstuffs from being brought over the border post Brexit are long standing rules for countries outside of the EU's single market. It is also the rule for entry into many countries in the world for biosecurity reasons - many are much stricter. Even if a product is made to EU standards it needs to go through the proper checks and customs procedures which include things like veterinary checks, all of which aren't feasible when your just taking 30kg with you on holiday.
UK bait companies will still be able to export into the EU, however they will now have go through the same export procedures as every other nation in the world has to when they export products into the EU. This is turning out to be difficult as the procedures for exporting animal feeds into EU is quite extensive by the sounds of things.
Boilies are classed as an animal feed in Europe because freshwater fish are commonly eaten all over Europe therefore boilies are likely to enter into the human foodchain. This is certainly true of France where many communal lakes and state owned waterways allow you to take your catch home with you.
The reason why these customs checks have become necessary now is because by leaving the EU single market we have taken over control of many laws and standards that the EU has had control over. In order to protect it's citizens and its livestock from foods and feeds inferior to the standards set by EU law, these customs checks are now required to ensure that everything that passes into the single market meets these standards. Until the start of this month, the UK customs agents were in charge of policing these rules from imports from the USA for example.
The writing was on the wall for all these changes years ago, they aren't a surprise.
I'm sure this is obvious to many, however I felt I had to write something after reading literally hundreds of comments from angry carp anglers over the last few days who seem to think that this is some kind of punishment from Brussels and that they'll 'change their minds' soon enough ect.
This is what Brexit is, this isn't political, this is the new normal and quite frankly, carp fishing will barely register on the radar when it comes to the headaches these new customs procedures are causing right now. It will settle down soon enough as both businesses and governments get to grips with the changes.
But the rules won't change.