In reply to Post #550
Hi Mal,
Yes, you are correct in that I disagree with most of your post and that there is little point in going back and forth.
However, I think it useful to point out that you misunderstand my opinion and reasoning.
As I've said, I follow US politics on line and US social life in general, because I like and admire in many ways, their enthusiasm and optimism at the cutting edge of the progress of western democracy.
Your statement that the problem that US inner city blacks face is simply that of oppression and suppression is a gross oversimplification of the multiple problems they face.
Do you honestly think that their problems of welfare dependent poverty, father absence, bad schooling,
gang culture and crime, don't play a major part in their predicament? They are as capable as any ethnic group, of taking a responsible and respectable place in mainstream society, if given the opportunity.
Any ethnic group, creed or race would be trapped in that sort of social deprivation and be largely unable to ' raise their game ' and go on to reach their full potential, without a decent start in life that a stable family brings and the opportunity that a good education gives to aim towards a meaningful life.
Your racial oppression only argument is partly flawed by the fact that millions of ethnic minorities and legal immigrants lead successful lives, with self confidence and without racial impediment. They see themselves as Americans first and not as ethnic minorities grouped by identity politics into tribal groups.
1000s of them go on to positions of high office, senators, state governors, city mayors, congressmen and women, even to become president and in all the professions and academia.
How would this be possible if the US was as racist as you claim? Of course, racism exists and all races are guilty of it, and there are plenty of race baiters who deliberately exaggerate It.
I care as much as you about the inequalities in our Western democracies and believe that, if those affected were encouraged by policy or whatever means, to adopt familial responsibility and a work ethic and the importance of good education, then they would realise their potential and take their place in mainstream society in a position of relevance. People of all races, who lead successful, meaningful lives, have the self confidence and social standing to reject all forms of victimhood, because they are living proof that anyone in western democracies can rise above it, given the opportunity.
BB.
Hi Mal,
Yes, you are correct in that I disagree with most of your post and that there is little point in going back and forth.
However, I think it useful to point out that you misunderstand my opinion and reasoning.
As I've said, I follow US politics on line and US social life in general, because I like and admire in many ways, their enthusiasm and optimism at the cutting edge of the progress of western democracy.
Your statement that the problem that US inner city blacks face is simply that of oppression and suppression is a gross oversimplification of the multiple problems they face.
Do you honestly think that their problems of welfare dependent poverty, father absence, bad schooling,
gang culture and crime, don't play a major part in their predicament? They are as capable as any ethnic group, of taking a responsible and respectable place in mainstream society, if given the opportunity.
Any ethnic group, creed or race would be trapped in that sort of social deprivation and be largely unable to ' raise their game ' and go on to reach their full potential, without a decent start in life that a stable family brings and the opportunity that a good education gives to aim towards a meaningful life.
Your racial oppression only argument is partly flawed by the fact that millions of ethnic minorities and legal immigrants lead successful lives, with self confidence and without racial impediment. They see themselves as Americans first and not as ethnic minorities grouped by identity politics into tribal groups.
1000s of them go on to positions of high office, senators, state governors, city mayors, congressmen and women, even to become president and in all the professions and academia.
How would this be possible if the US was as racist as you claim? Of course, racism exists and all races are guilty of it, and there are plenty of race baiters who deliberately exaggerate It.
I care as much as you about the inequalities in our Western democracies and believe that, if those affected were encouraged by policy or whatever means, to adopt familial responsibility and a work ethic and the importance of good education, then they would realise their potential and take their place in mainstream society in a position of relevance. People of all races, who lead successful, meaningful lives, have the self confidence and social standing to reject all forms of victimhood, because they are living proof that anyone in western democracies can rise above it, given the opportunity.
BB.
In reply to Post #556
You're forgetting about socially engineered poverty. Keeping the poor poor, sadly majority black, why? Racial inequalities over time. Getting the poor people to fight each other, why? A life of crime due to the realities of ‘getting out' being restricted. Poor schooling, no support systems, mum needs help with the bills and your 14 and can't work but you can get good money dealing so you do it, along with peer pressure or being groomed. You get immersed in a life of crime as a child. They don't know better. You sell drugs for some local dealer (black probably) and his supplier? The one with no risk and all the big profit? Probably white. (Based on anecdotal evidence). Child gets caught and has a criminal record before their 16th birthday. Life prospects severely hampered due to lack of education and now a criminal record.
Also look at incarceration in America. There is more black people in prison for small amounts of drug possession than there is for murder, rape and gun violence put together. (FYI this is pre weed being legal, yet those already in prison remain there) yet the amount of white people in for the same? Nowhere near. Why? Private prisons. No one cares about the poor black kid locked up for a bit of weed, but they would the middle classed white kid. It happens here to an extent now private prisons exist.
You're forgetting about socially engineered poverty. Keeping the poor poor, sadly majority black, why? Racial inequalities over time. Getting the poor people to fight each other, why? A life of crime due to the realities of ‘getting out' being restricted. Poor schooling, no support systems, mum needs help with the bills and your 14 and can't work but you can get good money dealing so you do it, along with peer pressure or being groomed. You get immersed in a life of crime as a child. They don't know better. You sell drugs for some local dealer (black probably) and his supplier? The one with no risk and all the big profit? Probably white. (Based on anecdotal evidence). Child gets caught and has a criminal record before their 16th birthday. Life prospects severely hampered due to lack of education and now a criminal record.
Also look at incarceration in America. There is more black people in prison for small amounts of drug possession than there is for murder, rape and gun violence put together. (FYI this is pre weed being legal, yet those already in prison remain there) yet the amount of white people in for the same? Nowhere near. Why? Private prisons. No one cares about the poor black kid locked up for a bit of weed, but they would the middle classed white kid. It happens here to an extent now private prisons exist.
In reply to Post #555
Hi Ocelot,
You can argue about the semantics if it pleases you.
What I find odd, is that you follow me around the forum looking for flaws in my posts.
It seems to give you pleasure if you think you have found one.
I wonder why you hardly ever put your hat in the ring and post your own opinions.
Rather than standing on the sidelines holding people's coats.
BB.
Hi Ocelot,
You can argue about the semantics if it pleases you.
What I find odd, is that you follow me around the forum looking for flaws in my posts.
It seems to give you pleasure if you think you have found one.
I wonder why you hardly ever put your hat in the ring and post your own opinions.
Rather than standing on the sidelines holding people's coats.
BB.
In reply to Post #554
Are you saying the trust in the police is nil in the UK or the USA?
Because if the former I would dispute this fact and would ask for your evidence for this. If it's the latter fair enough as I don't have enough knowledge or evidence to dispute this.
This is the problem in all this people using google, MSM, YouTube and other influenced stories and their spin on statistics. 😡 trying to convince everyone they are right.
Are you saying the trust in the police is nil in the UK or the USA?
Because if the former I would dispute this fact and would ask for your evidence for this. If it's the latter fair enough as I don't have enough knowledge or evidence to dispute this.
This is the problem in all this people using google, MSM, YouTube and other influenced stories and their spin on statistics. 😡 trying to convince everyone they are right.
In reply to Post #558
Neurotic rambling again
Neurotic rambling again
In reply to Post #554
It's a stalemate because neither will be willing to change unless the other attitude does.
now if approached I will not give them the time of day
That doesn't help does it?
My youngest daughter got in trouble with the police, said she was sorry and attended YOS what would have happened if she had kicked off?
The following link is not meant to offend but sounds like this woman is ready to make a change
LINK
It's a stalemate because neither will be willing to change unless the other attitude does.
now if approached I will not give them the time of day
That doesn't help does it?
My youngest daughter got in trouble with the police, said she was sorry and attended YOS what would have happened if she had kicked off?
The following link is not meant to offend but sounds like this woman is ready to make a change
LINK
In reply to Post #557
Hi Greekskii,
Your post is, in more detail, pointing out some of the social problems facing US blacks in inner cities that I've been saying is keeping them in social deprivation, and immersed in a victim culture.
As for the causes and reasons for it, I pointed out in previous posts that the welfare system encourages father absence and the increase, now of 70% , in mother only families living on welfare.
I also pointed out that most cities with large inner city black communities have been governed by Democrat politicians for decades, with little improvements to the problems that blacks face. They are mostly, the cities which harbour most of the 10 million+ illegal immigrants that compete with blacks for jobs. It's also worth noting that Democrats rely on 90% of the black vote in elections.
I also pointed out that, since being in office, Trump with the help and advice of the black Senator, Tim Scott have together, instigated policies directly for improvements to black and ethnic communities, the most important being the Opportunity Zones Legislation, which has raised 75 billion dollars of private funding, being invested in 1000s of designated poor areas across the US. Look back at my post 191 to see the other improvement policies. Remember that, before coronavirus, Trump's economic policies had raised economic growth and low ethnic unemployment to record levels.
Re prisons, Trump has introduced the 1st Step Act, which released 1000s of blacks imprisoned by the 1994 Crime Bill, which was introduced by the Clinton administration.
It's good to see that policies have been introduced that are addressing the problems of ethnic minorities, but it won't be a quick fix because real change takes years to come into effect.
BB.
Hi Greekskii,
Your post is, in more detail, pointing out some of the social problems facing US blacks in inner cities that I've been saying is keeping them in social deprivation, and immersed in a victim culture.
As for the causes and reasons for it, I pointed out in previous posts that the welfare system encourages father absence and the increase, now of 70% , in mother only families living on welfare.
I also pointed out that most cities with large inner city black communities have been governed by Democrat politicians for decades, with little improvements to the problems that blacks face. They are mostly, the cities which harbour most of the 10 million+ illegal immigrants that compete with blacks for jobs. It's also worth noting that Democrats rely on 90% of the black vote in elections.
I also pointed out that, since being in office, Trump with the help and advice of the black Senator, Tim Scott have together, instigated policies directly for improvements to black and ethnic communities, the most important being the Opportunity Zones Legislation, which has raised 75 billion dollars of private funding, being invested in 1000s of designated poor areas across the US. Look back at my post 191 to see the other improvement policies. Remember that, before coronavirus, Trump's economic policies had raised economic growth and low ethnic unemployment to record levels.
Re prisons, Trump has introduced the 1st Step Act, which released 1000s of blacks imprisoned by the 1994 Crime Bill, which was introduced by the Clinton administration.
It's good to see that policies have been introduced that are addressing the problems of ethnic minorities, but it won't be a quick fix because real change takes years to come into effect.
BB.
In reply to Post #561
Wow, that is pretty powerful but when you hear it from experience it certainly brings it home!
Respect the badge. Very good point. It's called the law and the reality is, NOBODY is above it even if they think they are
That's a good starting point because a lot do not so that is the first part of the escalation spiral when dealing with people
Said it earlier in the thread. The number of times black people get arrested and play the race card, “is it because I'm black” is unreal. No it's because you committed a crime you ****ing retard
Wow, that is pretty powerful but when you hear it from experience it certainly brings it home!
Respect the badge. Very good point. It's called the law and the reality is, NOBODY is above it even if they think they are
That's a good starting point because a lot do not so that is the first part of the escalation spiral when dealing with people
Said it earlier in the thread. The number of times black people get arrested and play the race card, “is it because I'm black” is unreal. No it's because you committed a crime you ****ing retard
In reply to Post #561
As I said it's from my personal negative experiences, all whilst innocent. Tasers, physicality, stupidity and even verbal abuse. Formal complaints snubbed.
I'm sure many people have much worse done to them.
This is what I mean about the lack of respect coming from the police actions and why normal people don't want to entertain nonsense from them. It's why many people know their rights inside out so they can get rid of them as quickly as possible.
As I said it's from my personal negative experiences, all whilst innocent. Tasers, physicality, stupidity and even verbal abuse. Formal complaints snubbed.
I'm sure many people have much worse done to them.
This is what I mean about the lack of respect coming from the police actions and why normal people don't want to entertain nonsense from them. It's why many people know their rights inside out so they can get rid of them as quickly as possible.
In reply to Post #563
Spot on that mate
Spot on that mate
In reply to Post #564
I think you said a while back that although your name is not typically British you're not black so maybe it was down to your attitude and your body language?
I think you said a while back that although your name is not typically British you're not black so maybe it was down to your attitude and your body language?
In reply to Post #566
Or a black and white horizontal striped jumper perhaps?
Or a black and white horizontal striped jumper perhaps?
In reply to Post #566
Yeah I don't think it was racial towards me. Just police being power hungry pr*cks and buzzing off it.
Being slammed against a wall for trying to give someone who's been arrested their glasses back isn't warranted and then threatened with arrest 🤷🏻♂️
Being threatened with arrest and using physical means to move me when they try and arrest my brother for getting rizla and filters out his own car 🤷🏻♂️
Having a taser pointed at you (And everything associated with it including being handcuffed) for no reason other than there was someone they were chasing in the area, incidentally didn't match my description at all 🤷🏻♂️
Being blocked in a parking space because I “took a left turn after it looked like I was going to go right when we were behind you” just because we were a group of young lads in a car 🤷🏻♂️
There's a few other incidents as well.
In each incident totally innocent but treated like a criminal. Even though this country works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty? Those are my experiences and why I have little time for police anymore. I know my rights so I don't say a word to them anymore if they engage with me. I have little respect because the power trip runs from top to bottom.
Yeah I don't think it was racial towards me. Just police being power hungry pr*cks and buzzing off it.
Being slammed against a wall for trying to give someone who's been arrested their glasses back isn't warranted and then threatened with arrest 🤷🏻♂️
Being threatened with arrest and using physical means to move me when they try and arrest my brother for getting rizla and filters out his own car 🤷🏻♂️
Having a taser pointed at you (And everything associated with it including being handcuffed) for no reason other than there was someone they were chasing in the area, incidentally didn't match my description at all 🤷🏻♂️
Being blocked in a parking space because I “took a left turn after it looked like I was going to go right when we were behind you” just because we were a group of young lads in a car 🤷🏻♂️
There's a few other incidents as well.
In each incident totally innocent but treated like a criminal. Even though this country works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty? Those are my experiences and why I have little time for police anymore. I know my rights so I don't say a word to them anymore if they engage with me. I have little respect because the power trip runs from top to bottom.
In reply to Post #568
I have little respect because the power trip runs from top to bottom.
There we go Scozza you missus is included
Maybe it's you on the power trip?
Being threatened with arrest and using physical means to move me when they try and arrest my brother for getting rizla and filters out his own car
That's an easy one to understand. When in the presence of the police don't go into you car to get a weapon. Ok it wasn't a weapon but how's the police to know that, was it really important to get a Rizla at that precise moment?
No need to answer just trying to show how outsiders could look at it.
I have little respect because the power trip runs from top to bottom.
There we go Scozza you missus is included
Maybe it's you on the power trip?
Being threatened with arrest and using physical means to move me when they try and arrest my brother for getting rizla and filters out his own car
That's an easy one to understand. When in the presence of the police don't go into you car to get a weapon. Ok it wasn't a weapon but how's the police to know that, was it really important to get a Rizla at that precise moment?
No need to answer just trying to show how outsiders could look at it.
In reply to Post #569
I've seen the pattern throughout the thread mate. It's finally coming out now. All coppers are *******s
I've seen the pattern throughout the thread mate. It's finally coming out now. All coppers are *******s