In reply to Post #538
Spanker posted a link with his call to arms. Spouting off about people who call themselves lads and football lads needing to be in London this weekend.
Ironically these ‘lads' spend every weekend cheering on their teams who without exception, have black players
People there were chanting his name so his minions were there even if he wasn't .
Sorry Ralph I know you're a fan but he's a troublemaker. Yes, he drew attention to Muslim nonces but he doesn't seem to mention white catholic priests or white celebrities/royals doing it.
Some of his cronies have Chinese writing and tribal tattoos ffs
Spanker posted a link with his call to arms. Spouting off about people who call themselves lads and football lads needing to be in London this weekend.
Ironically these ‘lads' spend every weekend cheering on their teams who without exception, have black players
People there were chanting his name so his minions were there even if he wasn't .
Sorry Ralph I know you're a fan but he's a troublemaker. Yes, he drew attention to Muslim nonces but he doesn't seem to mention white catholic priests or white celebrities/royals doing it.
Some of his cronies have Chinese writing and tribal tattoos ffs
In reply to Post #540
Certainly no Patrick Hutchinson, the star of yesterday's **** show.
Certainly no Patrick Hutchinson, the star of yesterday's **** show.
In reply to Post #536
Hi Mal,
I contend that it is you who is missing the point by refusing to acknowledge the complicated sequence of events that took place for US blacks from slavery up to the present day, and the social and cultural issues they face today, which keep them trapped in welfare poverty and crime culture.
Promoting the one word answer as racism is naïve and does the US blacks no favours in not addressing the issues that would encourage them to raise their game towards improving their situation.
I have as much sympathy towards their problems as you or anyone else, which is why I have previously posted them in detail, and some of the policies that have been enacted to try and address them.
To suggest that I might be trying to excuse racism is both disengenuous and insulting.
As I said to Spanker, I'm not interested in arguing with any of you, but rather, posting facts and figures, which give more info and context to the issue.
BB.
Hi Mal,
I contend that it is you who is missing the point by refusing to acknowledge the complicated sequence of events that took place for US blacks from slavery up to the present day, and the social and cultural issues they face today, which keep them trapped in welfare poverty and crime culture.
Promoting the one word answer as racism is naïve and does the US blacks no favours in not addressing the issues that would encourage them to raise their game towards improving their situation.
I have as much sympathy towards their problems as you or anyone else, which is why I have previously posted them in detail, and some of the policies that have been enacted to try and address them.
To suggest that I might be trying to excuse racism is both disengenuous and insulting.
As I said to Spanker, I'm not interested in arguing with any of you, but rather, posting facts and figures, which give more info and context to the issue.
BB.
In reply to Post #537
Hi Ocelot,
Andrew Johnson was the vice President to Lincoln and took over the presidency when Lincoln was assassinated in 1865.
He was known as a War Democrat who rejected the policies of the Peace Democrats and supported the Republican policies of Lincoln, which was why he was given the vice presidency.
He was a Republican in all but name and pushed their policies.
You are free to call him a Democrat if you choose.
BB.
Hi Ocelot,
Andrew Johnson was the vice President to Lincoln and took over the presidency when Lincoln was assassinated in 1865.
He was known as a War Democrat who rejected the policies of the Peace Democrats and supported the Republican policies of Lincoln, which was why he was given the vice presidency.
He was a Republican in all but name and pushed their policies.
You are free to call him a Democrat if you choose.
BB.
Watching the news, interesting banners. “Ban racism, homes and jobs for all”
Think of that what you like, it's clear to me...
On another note, the black man who picked the white man up should be on every banner around the world and a role model for how we move forward. Quite a moving picture that. We are all in this together. Amazing really amongst all this crap
Think of that what you like, it's clear to me...
On another note, the black man who picked the white man up should be on every banner around the world and a role model for how we move forward. Quite a moving picture that. We are all in this together. Amazing really amongst all this crap
Just watched the latest shooting.
He was over the limit, you cannot sit behind the drivers seat, if you do you are guilty. Also, people banging on about the Tazer snatch, 20,000 volts I think?, good job it wasn't a gun he pinched isn't it!
So the key question is, who would want to deal with that then?
He was over the limit, you cannot sit behind the drivers seat, if you do you are guilty. Also, people banging on about the Tazer snatch, 20,000 volts I think?, good job it wasn't a gun he pinched isn't it!
So the key question is, who would want to deal with that then?
In reply to Post #534
Andrew Jackson - National Union Party.
Andrew Jackson - National Union Party.
In reply to Post #546
I see your point, the bloke was obviously nuts, but it goes without saying if you're armed don't let anybody you intend to harm disarm you.
New info. and video shows he was actually shot in the back as he ran away and the local chief of police has quit
link
I see your point, the bloke was obviously nuts, but it goes without saying if you're armed don't let anybody you intend to harm disarm you.
New info. and video shows he was actually shot in the back as he ran away and the local chief of police has quit
link
In reply to Post #548
Yes I think the point being made is that they used lethal force on a non-lethal threat. He was running away and had a taser which is non-lethal. I'm sire they are trying to make a number of points with this case. One key one being if someone points a taser at you it's not okay to shoot them dead. Can only imagine that would be a dangerous message if it was seen as okay.
Guy was on a mad one but still a number of other ways to apprehend him. Not to say it was stone cold murder due to race though. More likely it was a twitchy cop that probably shouldn't be in the field if they get nervous.
Yes I think the point being made is that they used lethal force on a non-lethal threat. He was running away and had a taser which is non-lethal. I'm sire they are trying to make a number of points with this case. One key one being if someone points a taser at you it's not okay to shoot them dead. Can only imagine that would be a dangerous message if it was seen as okay.
Guy was on a mad one but still a number of other ways to apprehend him. Not to say it was stone cold murder due to race though. More likely it was a twitchy cop that probably shouldn't be in the field if they get nervous.
In reply to Post #543
Morning BB
let me clarify - you are missing the point with your continued insistence of making sure you tell us it was a Democrat who was in charge when slavery / oppression / racism is mentioned. It doesn't bloody matter - racist is racist whatever party they represent. I mean, God forbid we should suggest a Republican president is racist... where might we get that idea....?
As for naive and insulting, your suggestion that it's simply a question of black americans 'raising their game' is both. The 'game' is fixed and the odds are stacked in favour of white america which has built it's wealth on centuries of black oppression. The american dream that you have previously stated is there for all is a myth. Not all americans have the same dream - I'm pretty sure Dr King's dream is not the same as your beloved Trump's....
If I can use a race (no pun intended) as an analogy. The 'finish line' is fixed - but white america (and Britain to a lesser but still noticeable extent) is starting much further along the track than black america. Yes there is a complex history to it - but the single, simple underlying factor is that of black oppression and suppression. It's easy to say that it's because 'they are criminals' or 'they need to work harder' and 'we all have the same chances' when speaking from a more advantaged position. but it's just not true - in america or in britain.
my suggestion that you are trying to excuse this is based solely on what you choose to post - 'facts and figures' that look to excuse it. I'm simply commenting on what I read and how it appears. the facts and figures you post and the videos you suggest have a bias to them - either consciously, or you simply don't see it (which I doubt because you seem more intelligent than that).
white america making excuses is part of the problem. those in power need to change for any 'game' to be fair.
I'm sure you won't agree with most / all of this and there's little point in us going back and forth.
Can i suggest a very good film that explores a lot of the background to this from perhaps a different perspective?
Ava DuVernay's multi award winning documentary film '13th'.
Have a good day all
Morning BB
let me clarify - you are missing the point with your continued insistence of making sure you tell us it was a Democrat who was in charge when slavery / oppression / racism is mentioned. It doesn't bloody matter - racist is racist whatever party they represent. I mean, God forbid we should suggest a Republican president is racist... where might we get that idea....?
As for naive and insulting, your suggestion that it's simply a question of black americans 'raising their game' is both. The 'game' is fixed and the odds are stacked in favour of white america which has built it's wealth on centuries of black oppression. The american dream that you have previously stated is there for all is a myth. Not all americans have the same dream - I'm pretty sure Dr King's dream is not the same as your beloved Trump's....
If I can use a race (no pun intended) as an analogy. The 'finish line' is fixed - but white america (and Britain to a lesser but still noticeable extent) is starting much further along the track than black america. Yes there is a complex history to it - but the single, simple underlying factor is that of black oppression and suppression. It's easy to say that it's because 'they are criminals' or 'they need to work harder' and 'we all have the same chances' when speaking from a more advantaged position. but it's just not true - in america or in britain.
my suggestion that you are trying to excuse this is based solely on what you choose to post - 'facts and figures' that look to excuse it. I'm simply commenting on what I read and how it appears. the facts and figures you post and the videos you suggest have a bias to them - either consciously, or you simply don't see it (which I doubt because you seem more intelligent than that).
white america making excuses is part of the problem. those in power need to change for any 'game' to be fair.
I'm sure you won't agree with most / all of this and there's little point in us going back and forth.
Can i suggest a very good film that explores a lot of the background to this from perhaps a different perspective?
Ava DuVernay's multi award winning documentary film '13th'.
Have a good day all
In reply to Post #548
The cops will have extensive training is the use of Tazer. You have to have a license over here. As for the comment dont let anybody take it off you is nonsense. Anything can happen in a real life situation and it does. A powerful man against a weaker man, easy, add a drink or drug fuelled rage, no contest.
There is a precedence to set here. Is it OK for everybody to snatch a Tazer or gun and point it at a cop or should we wait until they are shot. is it OK for everybody to run away, no, again it sets a precedence, everybody would do it
The shooting was probably wrong but in the heat of battle anything can happen. The trouble is now is that a few million eyes are dissecting every single micro second
Difficult one but if cops did not have guns they would not shoot people but while ever criminals have guns they should fight fire with fire for me.
The data about cop kills below is enough said for me. I would want to deal with people like that, no way
The cops will have extensive training is the use of Tazer. You have to have a license over here. As for the comment dont let anybody take it off you is nonsense. Anything can happen in a real life situation and it does. A powerful man against a weaker man, easy, add a drink or drug fuelled rage, no contest.
There is a precedence to set here. Is it OK for everybody to snatch a Tazer or gun and point it at a cop or should we wait until they are shot. is it OK for everybody to run away, no, again it sets a precedence, everybody would do it
The shooting was probably wrong but in the heat of battle anything can happen. The trouble is now is that a few million eyes are dissecting every single micro second
Difficult one but if cops did not have guns they would not shoot people but while ever criminals have guns they should fight fire with fire for me.
The data about cop kills below is enough said for me. I would want to deal with people like that, no way
In reply to Post #551
Not every policeman has guns here however plenty of criminals do. Should we introduce them as standard?
End of the day he was shot in the back. Now if you watch the footage he does turn and aim the tazer but the policeman already has the gun pulled and aimed at him. He doesn't fire it and runs off and then gets shot. If he'd been shot as he aimed The tazer at them it would be a smidgen more understandable. But he was shot after he lowered it and ran.
Not every policeman has guns here however plenty of criminals do. Should we introduce them as standard?
End of the day he was shot in the back. Now if you watch the footage he does turn and aim the tazer but the policeman already has the gun pulled and aimed at him. He doesn't fire it and runs off and then gets shot. If he'd been shot as he aimed The tazer at them it would be a smidgen more understandable. But he was shot after he lowered it and ran.
In reply to Post #552
Ok so black people are statistically going to commit more crime because there are have been and are being treated unfairly, I get that but when they are caught by the police all they have to do is go quietly, resist arrest and there will be consequences. I understand that blacks can be unfairly be pulled over when they are innocent but causing a scene may get you into the same trouble.
So change needs to be on both sides or more to the point attitudes must change on both sides.
Ok so black people are statistically going to commit more crime because there are have been and are being treated unfairly, I get that but when they are caught by the police all they have to do is go quietly, resist arrest and there will be consequences. I understand that blacks can be unfairly be pulled over when they are innocent but causing a scene may get you into the same trouble.
So change needs to be on both sides or more to the point attitudes must change on both sides.
In reply to Post #553
Yes but the issue being that the trust in the police force is NIL. And negative experiences build up a resentment and ruin respect.
I've mentioned before that I've had a number of bad experiences with the police whilst being innocent and now if approached I will not give them the time of day. The distrust for black people of the police force will exist until there is change. It's a stalemate because neither will be willing to change unless the other attitude does.
Yes but the issue being that the trust in the police force is NIL. And negative experiences build up a resentment and ruin respect.
I've mentioned before that I've had a number of bad experiences with the police whilst being innocent and now if approached I will not give them the time of day. The distrust for black people of the police force will exist until there is change. It's a stalemate because neither will be willing to change unless the other attitude does.
In reply to Post #544
At last! Next time you try to rewrite history with your spin on it get the facts right at least. Call him what you like he was an a*******e
At last! Next time you try to rewrite history with your spin on it get the facts right at least. Call him what you like he was an a*******e